RECAP: Warriors 117, Kings 105 -- Oakland the new "capital" for Norcal Basketball
JRich is in uniform! Monta’s usually semi-pimply face is looking clear! Biedrins' hair is gelled up and styled! Playing on national television brings out the best in players and the Warriors definitely brought some game tonight and not just their looks.
Final Boxscore
The Warriors-- collectively-- were simultaneously a model of offensive efficiency and defensive deficiency. It was almost like watching the Phoenix Suns, which is a little frightening and I wouldn’t necessarily say for the right reasons. The Warriors’ alleyoops, acrobatic dunks, and aggressive penetration were practically nulled by a porous defense and a high turnover rate that let the Kings-- shooting below 40% for half the game-- stay within striking distance. I don’t mean to downplay the fantastic, unselfish play displayed by this new Warriors team, but the Kings matador defensive and equally problematic ball-handling and protection provided the proper context to run and gun.

The next Ben Wallace?
(Photo by Rocky Widner/NBAE via Getty Images)
Davis had his way with the Kings today. Check out the stats: 36 points, 8 boards, and an insane 18 assists (and an insane 8 turnovers too). Fancy ball handling aside, he took apart that defense with an arsenal of moves and nifty passes to various targets. One of those targets mainly being Pietrus; he hooked Pietrus up with at least 20 of his points -- mostly easy uncontested layups and dunks. Monta, chipping in 17, looked a lot like a mini-Baron, getting to the hoop at will. Biedrins, most times, looked like he was the only one guarding the hoop, grabbing 16 rebounds, blocking 4 shots, and altering shots. Dun, not known for his defensive presence, did a lot of the dirty work tonight: diving for balls, taking charges, offering some weak side defensive, and knocking down jumpers in key moments. An amazing effort from everyone.

Two more points for me!
(Photo by Rocky Widner/NBAE via Getty Images)
Tonight's starting line-up featuring Davis, Ellis, JRich, Pietrus and AB (mixing Dun in for Pietrus) gives them one of the most athletic (starting) fives in the league. Though, I couldn’t help concurring with what the TNT analysts -- Reggie Miller, Kenny Smith, and Charles Barkley -- had to say about the Warriors. The game looked a lot like an all-star or rookie vs. sophmore game. The Warriors relatively light weight schedule so far-- with most games played at home-- puts their success into perspective. Barkley asked a good question: Can they play like this against a defensive minded San Antonio team? Kenny Smith’s question seemed more intriguing actually: (it goes a little something like this) The Warriors don’t shoot particularly well, can they continually shoot a high percentage? Granted, most sports writers and analysts know little about teams outside major market teams, as noted by the great members of our GSoM community. Also, the Warriors played some lock defense for some stretches of the 4th. So perhaps their comments were premature? We’ll see…

Sadly, Adonal's role in Nelson's system
(Photo by Rocky Widner/NBAE via Getty Images)
Anyway, we’re 6-3! Let’s keep this up but remember that we still got a ways to go!
Song of the day: Cassie -- "Long Way to Go"
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by coma @ Golden State Of Mind on Nov 16, 2006 10:55 PM PST reply actions
Yeah, honestly.
by coma @ Golden State Of Mind on Nov 16, 2006 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
barkley is a toad
On the flp side...GREAT GAME!

Let's Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.
it's okay...
This is good being under the radar and all in that we can totally sneak up on unsuspecting sleeping giants... i.e. the Spurs.
GO WARRIORS! LETS TAKE DOWN SOME UNSUSPECTING POWERHOUSES!
Yea
by Athletix Man on Nov 16, 2006 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
Way to play streetball!!
The Sacqueens didn't have BradMiller but we dint have Murpy and diogu so it was a decent test.
Dunleavey was slipping a lot. Anyone see what kind of shoes was he wearing? Does he have those cheapass star-burys? Think he needs some new treads, but he played a pretty good game despite the bad rubber( speaking of rubber, does anyone else think Bibby looks like he's wearing a big condom on his head when he wears the white headband?)
Kinda interesting that Sac stayed as close as they did with all our fast breaks and easy buckets, Huh? Also watched the last few minutes of the houston game and saw again the importance of making freethrows at the end, Hope our guys can fix that problem for GOOD? Notice the Hack-a-B'Dris starting to appear here?
Great lead in photos up top there, props to Rocky Widner. "We might have a long way to go" but I'm thinking we were "Born to Run", Baby!
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2006 11:40 PM PST reply actions
Baron looked an MVP candidate.
F*** TNT
by dlyrious on Nov 17, 2006 3:35 AM PST reply actions
Bob and Jim
pffffffft
by the optimus dime on Nov 17, 2006 3:51 AM PST reply actions
of course..
by dj fuzzylogic on Nov 17, 2006 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
no respect
Screw Barkley. I prefer the wisdom that is Steve Kerr who gave a very fair assessment of our beloved Dubs, which I describe as a "reserved excitement." He acknoweledges that we are playing well right now and that our offense looks scary when clicking on all cylinders, but is aware of the 12-year drought and the mental obstacles our team must overcome. I loved his reference to Run TMC, which made me feel nostalgic. I especially loved his comment about how great Warrior fans have always been in spite of our lousy record. We should have all felt proud about that comment.
Things to watch out for. Davis "looks" durable right now, but I hope Nelly isn't planning on playing him 48 minutes every night. At this pace, he won't last the All-Star Break, I don't care how much weight he's lost. Our current injuries will have to heal fast, and eventually J-Rich will have to pick up more of the slack to preserve BD for the rest of the year.
WE need to make the most of this home schedule. I was hoping that we could go 3-1 in the last four games of this home stand. 1 win down. 2 to go. three more would be excellent. We shouldn't expect anything less than 8-4 or 9-3 after 12 games given how our schedule will turn for the worse.
Peace out.
by BruceBochteBiyatches on Nov 17, 2006 8:49 AM PST reply actions
Observations
- As long as Davis plays with this passion and sense of team, I'll take the turnovers and live with 'em. The POSITIVE energy he's generating makes it well worth it;
- BD is starting to show some TEAM leadership, too. At the half, he went out of his way to praise MP (at four) and Dun (at four and five) for their defensive hustle. (Good to have him say something about Dun, in particular, because they're starting to play well together, especially on offensive sets.)
- Nellie can only continue playing BD this much for so long. Mcleod is showing nothing and JR shows that while his shooting's improving, he's still way out of playing shape and has no hops yet -- so it's hard to take BD out. But he's gonna have to pretty soon.
- While AB's still a work very much in progress, his growth -- even within this season -- has been amazing. I'm just waiting for him to draw a "hack a 'Dris" because he's money if you can get him the ball -- as BD's been doing -- anywhere near the hoop.
- The team has improved so much as a team, that Dun as sixth man is starting to make more sense -- and pay off dividends. Tho his RBs were down last night (four) from the previous two games, he's been a real, developing defensive force -- even playing five from time to time -- and his hustle is readily apparent. (He even kept full concentration and control when he was whistled for two non-existent fouls in the first half yesterday, and played an important role keeping the W's at 10 up in the second half.)
- Nellie did something new last night. For the first time, he put Ellis back in the game in the first half even tho he had three fouls. And in the final minute Monta commited a foolish foul on the three point shot, making the decision look bad. (Monta's face looked like it did after he blew that pass at the end of the first N.O. game.) But Monta did not get another foul in tyhe game. And Nelson showed his trust in the kid continues to grow.
- When MP is energized, he can play a lot of four. He moved well without the ball, shot nicely -- even once or twice from the top of the key (tho his obvious preferred spot is always the right baseline, for an open three). Maybe he's developing some consistency. Now, if he could just learn to finish on those otherwise spectacular drives. . . . .
by johnl on Nov 17, 2006 9:30 AM PST reply actions
Forget TNT
The Warriors were 12-6 last year and look where they ended up.
Those are just facts and until the Warriors make serious noise late in the season, there's no respect coming.
I love the Warriors but I realize the facts. I'm excited about this year more than last year because of Nellie. He knows basketball and the NBA. He's a huge upgrade over Monty (and I am not blaming Monty). Are they going to win the title? No. Playoffs? Maybe. But they will be respectable and the Warriors will not quit on Nellie. That's the most important fact to me.
Last night's game was exciting, fun and made me wish I was there (I'm going tomorrow night.) But there were a couple of things that bothered me, the 3s at key points (that went in) which had they not could have fueled a comeback. The BD drive and kick outs for 3s rather than a drive or easy 2.
Baron, Pietrus, Monta, Biedris, JRich and Dunleavy all had big games. I liked the rebounding and fastbreaking. Dunleavy hit a big 3 to put the Warriors back up by 10 very late in the 4th (2:30 left?) and looked confident. That's going to be a key for the season, can he be consistently confident?
Go Warriors!!
Lost in all this talk
Right now the Warriors are hanging on until two come back and one gets healthy. Some commented the Warriors were weak on defense last night, it is not surprising with that makeshift lineup they are now using. I would love to see the entire team back and then let's see what happens.
by wushi on Nov 17, 2006 10:18 AM PST reply actions
o dang
1 monta dunk,
12 (sumthing like that) Monta points
10 Baron assists
over 70% from the field
All in the first quarter. what a game.
Orders a biedrins jersey
Sactown Royalty's Recap
Run 'N' Gun At the Oracle Ends Kings Streak
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/story/2006/11/17/14145/055
It's pretty crazy that the Warriors and Kings scored exactly the same number of points in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter. Just goes to show you- you better eat you Wheaties and get off to a good start!
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 17, 2006 10:44 AM PST reply actions
In enemy territory
by Fantasy Junkie on Nov 17, 2006 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
By any chance...
by WhiteElephantGuy on Nov 17, 2006 10:52 AM PST reply actions
Behind the back?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 17, 2006 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
hopefully we're just warming up...
Quickies
Thank god for Tivo.
- The Warriors put together a FAN-tastic 1st quarter. 40 points! Everyone was cutting, BD was dishing up some serious silverware, and the finishes were eye-poppping.
- Big ups to Baron Davis. He had a a spectacular game. There's no other way to say it. He pretty much went out there dominated from start to finish. I luved the 11 dimes in the first quarter, the 3 steals, the hot shooting, and the 10-10 on FT's. You can't ask for much more. He almost had a quadruple double: 36 points, 18 assists, 8 rebounds, and 8 turnovers. Haha. I actually don't mind those 8 turnovers since he had the ball in his hands the whole game and was looking to get other guys involved. Other than the Kings game, BD has had an amazing assist: turnover ratio so I don't think it's a big issue.
- You can't give enough credit to Don Nelson for this one. Coach Montgomery would've been lost without Troy Murphy and Ike. Nellie played the ultimate run and gun against a Kings squad that has a weaker interior than the Warriors. Playing MP2 at the 4? It worked. Nellie knew what he was doing. He didn't force Foyle or Dunleavy into the starting lineup. Nellie knows there roles and is putting everyone is a position to succeed.
- Aside from the 5 fouls (some of which were just flat out bad calls) Mickael played an excellent game. I was most impressed by his finishes and commitment to just throwing it down nasty. He deserves to start for the foreseeable future. He's adapted well to Nellie's system and brings a lot of intensity and energy on the defensive end.
- Again, Nellie knows what he's doing. Aside from Ike the Warriors have no forward or center who can post up which is imperative for easy high % buckets. So what does Nellie do? He has BD and JRich post up the smaller and weaker guards. It's very effective. Once JRich is 100%- watch out.
- I'll take Andris Biedrins' 16 boards and 4 blocks any day, but I can live without those 6 turnovers and 5 fouls. Haha, Steve Kerr cracked me up when he noted that after a Kings lane violation "it took Biedrins 3 attempts to miss 2 free throws". Biedrins brings some great rebounding and shot blocking, but he's going to limit his own minutes and be his own worst enemy with dumb fouls and horrendous free shooting.
- Marv Albert covering a Warriors game though? That's big time. I luved Marv on the mic, but Steve Kerr was just so-so. I think at one point he said Mike Dunleavy is a good shooter. Someone didn't do their homework. But hey- if you cover the entire NBA, you're not going to pay much attention to the Warriors. Same with the Inside the NBA crew which I absolutely luv and respect. If you covered the entire NBA, how much energy and attention would you put into studying the Warriors. Probably next to none. It's going to take a playoff run for any national media to care about this team.
- Kevin Martin was a real find. 24ppg right now. He's got a bright future. I was impressed. Believe the hype.
- Ron-Ron didn't have the greatest shot selection, but he was still on. Man, I still can't get over the Warriors not snatching him up last season. The guy's a beast.
- The Kings shoulda kept CWebb. They'd be a 2nd round knockout in the West. Now they're going to have scratch and sniff their way to the 8th spot and be an automatic bounce if they get in.
- The Kings were coming off a back to back and came out really flat
- Sac was missing Brad Miller who is vital to their offense, more so than the undressed TMurp and Ike are to the Warriors.
- The Warriors are in the middle of a soft home schedule.
- If Baron Davis goes down, say hello to a lot of ping pong balls. He's obviously going to tire out really quickly playing this brand of ball (anyone would) 45 minutes a night. That's just too much to ask. Mcleod showed me absolutely nothing and Nellie was forced to play him 24 minutes with Monta's foul trouble. I'd luv to see them bring in a steady, smart distributor a la Brevin Knight.
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 17, 2006 12:00 PM PST reply actions
Word
Like you, I'm worried about Baron's heavy minutes. If the Warriors were an elite team, they would have buried the Kings in the first half, and the starters could have gotten some rest.
by LancerEvoV on Nov 17, 2006 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
if ur still gonna talk about ab's fouls
Oh definitely
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 17, 2006 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
great posts, comments
first off, hella good posts, comments, insights.
i like the positive outlook(how can you not feel downright GIDDY about whats going on with this team) but more importantly, the reality checks:
-Schedule isnt that SOFT, its just hella games at home. We played DET, DAL, NO/OK, SAC...thats not soft its just not cream of the crop. But in todays NBA(read: parity) what teams are the cream? SA is all i can think of with maybe a dash of Utah as of now.
-FREE THROW SHOOTING! No one is mentioning this but we are still shooting horribly from the line. When we are involved in a real game, those type of things will matter. We need to fix this free throw problem.
-We are still taking too many 3's...but we are making them now which is kinda scary. What happens when the dont drop? However, on the flip side, they are for the most part GOOD 3's. On drive and kicks and ball rotations. Are we not supposed to take wide open 3's?
-TNT. They are kinda right. We have been IRRELEVANT for the last 12 years. Why should the crew give us props until we prove something? With that being said, they shoulda given us SOME love just for a good game tonight. Still the best crew on tv.
Davis should not be playing more than 39 minutes a game. Nellies gotta limit him. I dont care how good he is for the team dude is hella injury prone and its a long season! 39 mins a game will not doom our team!
TNT Crew

Let's Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.
Baron Davis getting some serious luv for his game
``I want to see him in Vegas this year,'' Warriors forward Mickael Pietrus said. ``He's done the work to be an All-Star. You can tell that he's healthy. He's a superstar.''
Said Musselman: ``He was off-the-charts phenomenal.''
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 17, 2006 5:30 PM PST reply actions
I hate it when
Although I onyl saw about 5 minutes total, it looks like the Warriros are doing excellent considering no Murph, no Diogu, some McCrapod, and half a J-Rich. Imagine how we'll play when these guys get back!
BD Slam's Player of the Day
http://slamonline.com/online/2006/11/player-of-the-day-10/
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 17, 2006 6:44 PM PST reply actions
It Was a Great Time Out
It really doesn't matter how or why you win. If you can produce the wins, you will be a champion.
The bottom line is that the GSW played enough defense to win the game. They scored enough points to win the game. Case closed.
Charles Barkley was ridiculous. To comment that it looked like a summer league game was not only disrespectful, it was ignorant. Players in summer league games don't make plays like the GSW (and the Kings) were making. Not even close.
An All Star game? Maybe. BD certainly looked like an All Star PG. Make that All Star First Team. Nobody in the NBA is playing close to BD at PG right now.
Charles is just a disgruntled announcer who has been highly overrated now that he's retired. He embarrassed himself further when he tried to hype the Hawks, which he called "my team".
The whole TNT crew acted cynical and arrogant. I just walked away after their lack of preparation and their pathetic hyping of the Eastern Conference became evident. The way they kept talking about defense after witnessing an awesome display of offensive Western Conference firepower made them all sound envious and jealous.
If it wasn't so disrespectful, it would have been funny. Who were the defensive powerhouses they were referring to? Chicago at 3-6? Detroit at 4-5, who apparently they missed seeing the Warriors demolish with an offensive barrage? Indiana at 4-5?
All they could do is fall back on the Spurs. Hey, the Spurs are contenders. So? Isn't it a little crazy and mean-spirited to down a fantastic first half by implying that the GSW and the Kings would both lose to the Spurs? What kind of twisted logic is that? We haven't even played the Spurs yet, and already the TNT studio crew is criticizing us about the Spurs?
TNT needs to reassess their starting line up. I totally agree that Jim and Bob are so far superior to the TNT studio crew, it's amazing. We are very lucky to have them.
Andris is already a force in the NBA. His stats barely show how he is altering games. Andris is a game-changer. It is scary to think how much he may improve in the next four to five years. All respect to Atma, but to let Andris get away now would be the height of folly.
Monta is the same way. Unbelievable.
What's up with Zarko? He will fit right in with the GSW style of play and be a great asset.
I agree with everyone that is is critical to try to keep everyone healthy. I disagree, however, that BD is playing too much. Nellie is probably trying to get him into All Star shape. He'll probably begin to rest him more and more as the season progresses, like he did in the Kings game a little.
Don't worry what TNT says about the GSW. They have no control over who wins games. If we can go deep into the playoffs, they will be the first in line to say how much they like the GSW.
What's up with FSN? They're cancelling the GSW game tonight for a Sharks game? Poor planning. With the way the GSW are playing, I suspect they would get a much bigger audience from a GSW game. Why not show the game delayed at 10:00 or on FSN+? We need to let them know we expect to see each and every GSW game televised. Check out the Lakers and the Kings. Every game of the season is televised!
Great effort led by the top PG in the NBA right now. It was a great time out.
by pineriver on Nov 18, 2006 9:50 AM PST reply actions
Please be right and I'm wrong!
I mean don't get me wrong, I like Biedrins a lot. I think other teams are going to start reading and understanding the scouting report on him as the season progresses and the more he starts. He has some serious gaping holes in his game. I'm worried teams are going to pick up on those fast and really diminish his effectiveness.
I would trade Biedrins along with a bad contract to bring in a proven All Star. I wouldn't make a dumb trade or move him for another "young talent". If it takes Biedrins to get a Jermaine O'Neal, a Kevin Garnett, or a Rashard Lewis the Warriors would be foolish to hold back.
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 18, 2006 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Please, No Rashard Lewis
No, I'll stick with AB, thank you. And as to weak spots in his game, what do you mean except for the horrid free throws? The other problems, in my mind, are being worked out just fine. (He actiually lasted 43 minutes, and didn't foul out, against Sacto; his shot blocking/changing is developing; his rebounding has been terrific; and his catch and score ability is off the charts -- as reflected in his field goal percentage.) And who knows, maybe over time he can develop either a sky hook or a nice 8-10 foot fallaway. Just wait'll the guy turns 21.
Let's forget about trades for a bit -- at least until we can see what we really need, because it might only be a defensive point, a scoring slasher, or a bumping body down low -- and those ain't the most expensive pieces in the game.
by johnl on Nov 18, 2006 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Trades?
Considering Baron's injury history even though he's my favorite player giving up BD and B'dris for Garnett might be a good deal? But I think the boss will wait and see how this group plays for a while, probably?
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 18, 2006 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Fortunately you are not Nellie
by wushi on Nov 18, 2006 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Andris the Giant
If you cannot secure defensive rebounds or force turnovers, it doesn't matter what your team does on defense, the opposition will eventually score. Since rebounds are generally much easier to come by than turnovers, they're necessary to prevent the opposition from scoring at will. Andris is the only Warrior who seems capable of that recently and he's very good at it.
Rashard Lewis is grossly overrated. Sure, he scores a bunch, but he provides dreadfully little else. At his height, he can't seem to rebound and if your team can't rebound, doesn't seem to stop opposing players and doesn't seem to do much passing the ball. Those guys get hype, but they don't really make much of a difference in the win column.
Why is Rashard Loony?
I've never heard anything about Rashard Lewis being a "loony personality". I'm curious, do you have something to back that up with?
by Atma Brother ONE on Nov 19, 2006 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
What scouting report?
by Jeremy Belvins on Nov 18, 2006 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
TV
Rashard vs B'Drins
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 18, 2006 6:15 PM PST reply actions
check the minutes per game.
I like how spell B'Drins -- it's easier.
by Jeremy Belvins on Nov 19, 2006 12:03 AM PST up reply actions

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