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Derek Fisher back to the Lakers?

From Hoopsworld's Preparing for the Draft:

As far as bait to move up, Chris Mihm's name has been floated as an asset the Lakers would be willing to move.  The goal would be to land a veteran player, perhaps with a longer contract, while climbing significantly higher in the lottery.  Keeping in mind that it's at a very early stage, names like Derek Fisher, Darius Miles and Chris Duhon have been mentioned as possible targets.  Of course, if the Golden State Warriors were contemplating sending Fisher and the ninth pick to LA, they're also talking to teams like the Toronto Raptors about moving up to the number one spot.

Is it just me or does that last sentence make no sense whatsoever? Also, unless Chris Mihm has an expiring contract, I wouldn't call him an "asset".

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Chris Mihm does have an expiring contract, he is due about $4 mil next season then that's it. However, I'd be shocked if the Lakers were willing to trade a  big in Mihm for a small in Fisher even with a pick.

by Kurt on May 30, 2006 1:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Screaming Mihmees
I hope the W's do nothing, rather than make dumb shake-things-up-just-to-shake-things-up moves like trading for Chris Mihm, or trading proven players for a draft pick in a weak draft year.

Baron playing 75 games + Baron taking 4 fewer shots per game + improved free throw shooting from Jason (to 73%) and Biedrins (to 60%) + Ike starting at 4 + Biedrins starting at 5 + anyone who shoots 45%/75% and is no worse defensively than Dunleavy starting at 3 (maybe some magically improved version of Dunleavy himself, but better would be Battier or Simmons) = playoffs. Even if nothing else changes.

by mikej @ Golden State Of Mind on May 30, 2006 9:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Mihm's the Word
Mihm for Fisher works for me, because of the positive salary cap impact it has after this year.

Fisher has four years left on his contract, and the odds of him getting 10 minutes a game in the final two years are microscopic.  We should sell high with Fish.

I don't know that standing pat is the right move for the Warriors.  Is Baron going to play 75+ games at full strength AND improve his shot selection?  There's a better chance of neither happening than both.  I think J-Rich is capable of another leap in skills, and Biedrins is young enough to make a vast improvement over the summer.    His time to start is now.

We still have Monty coaching, Dunleavy bricking, and Foyle existing - those are three mortal blows to our playoff chances.  The team needs an overhaul, and only J-Rich should be kept behind the velvet rope.

Still annoyed that we drafted Tod Fuller

by teagle @ Golden State Of Mind on May 31, 2006 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

You're right
Standing pat isn't necessarily good for the W's, and Baron is less than likely to improve his shot selection and his durability when the pattern of the past three years says otherwise. If Dunleavy bricks to the tune of less than 45%/75%, then he wouldn't fit the criteria I mentioned of who plays 3, thus better to move some and/or combo of Murphy/Pietrus/Dunleavy for Bobby Simmons or Shane Battier. I can't imagine a team accepting Foyle for the salary he's drawing, so I've just written that off as a necessary burden. However, I don't think the salary cap room afforded by getting Mihm does much for the team unless we have a proven player or a likely star in mind to get using that money. (If we do, then I agree--make the trade and then make the other move(s) that the cap room enables.) Fisher, for all his problems, has contributed more to the Ws than Mihm to the Lakers. He is our best free-throw shooter, if nothing else; he shoots well if he's limited to catch-and-shoot with room, as opposed to shooting off the dribble. In short, there's a role for him in which he can be effective--not worth what he gets paid, but effective. I can't see Mihm's role. I believe we'd do better with someone like Theo Ratliff, who has limited but definite strengths that could play a limited, definite, useful role.

I guess what I fear is that the Ws may be acting out of fear, shuffling pieces just because they didn't work out so therefore any shuffling must be better than no shuffling. No shuffling would be disappointing, but there are shuffles that could be worse than disappointing.

A last note about Baron Davis, responding to your thought-provoking diary. Baron has shown, I believe, what he can do for the W's: in about 100 games with Baron, we're about a .500 team. That's not earthshaking, but it's not terrible either, considering the team's state prior to his arrival. His faults are plainly evident: difficulty staying healthy, poor shot selection/shooting too much, poor shooting from the field and from the line, erratic defense. This coming year may be a year of reckoning for him, in which he either makes some adjustments, as in shooting less and staying in top shape, or declines into malaise and underperformance. That said, the list of 30 guys better than Baron includes about 28 guys that just about any team would love to have. If Baron's somewhere around the 30th most valuable player in the league, and if only Nash, Billups, Chris Paul, and Tony Parker (MVP+ROY+leaders of 2 most winning teams) outrank him as point guards, then that still makes him pretty valuable, despite his faults.

by mikej @ Golden State Of Mind on May 31, 2006 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds Like We Agree
Mikej,
We share the same fear of the Warriors making moves without a plan.  That's motion instead of progress, and I think we saw that two years ago when Mullin forked over all that money to Foyle, Fisher, Murphy and J-Rich.

I've seen you in other posts advocate a trade for Simmons/Battier and Theo Ratliff.  I would love to have either Simmons or Battier as our small forward.   Both of them are a nice improvement over Dunleavy on both ends of the floor. Battier may not score much, but he doesn't waste possessions either.  Either of these guys are the sort of role players that you want surrounding J-Rich.

I do think you might be overvaluing Ratliff - he and Foyle are basically the same player at this point.  Here is a comparison of them on a per 48 minute basis:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/labs/comp.cgi?I=ratlith01%3ATheo+Ratliff&y1=2006&C=foyle ad01%3AAdonal+Foyle&y2=2006&s=r&t=m&submit=Compare

I think Baron can be very valuable, but he needs to play to his potential and stop impersonating Antoine Walker with his shot selection.  What is amazing is that despite all the faults you correctly noted, he is still a terrific player.  I just want to see his game match his capabilities.

Still annoyed that we drafted Tod Fuller

by teagle @ Golden State Of Mind on Jun 1, 2006 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

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