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Nellie vs. Nelly

The nickname Nellie/Nelly must be synonymous with success. Don `Nellie' Nelson has had a storied and decorated NBA career as a player and a coach--the second winningest coach in NBA history.  Nelly, so far, has had nothing short of a superstar rap career--releasing 3 (4 if you count both records of the "Sweat/suit" album) records and a remix album--collectively selling close to 16x platinum all over the world (Country Grammar reportedly went 9x platinum alone) and making girls `get their eagle on' every weekend for the last 6-7 years.  

However, their lives intersect more so than the way that their nicknames sound.  Although both have revolutionized their `jobs' (Nelson perfecting `small ball' and inventing the `point forward' whereas Nelly disrupted the hegemony of the eastcoast and westcoast binary of rap music culture), both are also remembered for their missteps.  This short list documents some of the Nellie/Nelly moments I remember the most.  This is by no means a comprehensive list of both Nellie and Nelly; feel free to share your favorite Nellie/Nelly moments!

NELLIE: The HITS (some of this best moves)

1989 Draft, selecting Tim Hardaway with the 14th pick.  
Nelly equivalent: E.I.
timmy
knockin' folks over like he was Bruce Lee

A long and forgotten fierce scoring point guard that looked to be the second coming of Isaiah Thomas (my favorite player of all time).  In polls of greatest point guards ever or in recent memory, Tim Bug rarely gets mentioned despite being a former Dream Teamer and having the most popular (killer) cross-over in the past two decades that had fools trippin' like jealous girlfriends or boyfriends (you know how bad that is).  Rather, in the current state of basketball, great outlet passes ala Robert Horry and Mike Dunleavy Jr, are considered hall-of-fame worthy by the likes of Bill Walton and Jim Barnett.  Tim Bug deserves more props as does Nelly's "E.I."  This popular follow up always stands in the shadows of the lead single "Country Grammar."  This track is bangin'!

1998 Draft, Selecting Michigan forward Robert Traylor with the No. 6 pick, later traded his rights to Milwaukee in exchange for the rights to the Bucks' two first-round picks, Germany's Dirk Nowitzki (No. 9) and Notre Dame's Pat Garrity (No. 19). THEN, promptly trading Garrity's draft rights to Phoenix -- along with Martin Muursepp, Bubba Wells and a 1999 first-round pick that would eventually become Shawn Marion -- for third-year guard Steve Nash. Ironically, Marion and Nash are now teammates.

Nelly equivalent: "Hot in Herre" and "Girlfriend" N'Sync feat. Nelly

dirk.nelson
thanks for making me a star!

nash and nelson
thanks for hiding my defensive deficiencies!

Nellie knows talent, but this is almost ridiculous; we should call him the alchemist cuz he turns things into gold!  Whatever it is, P.Ditty could learn a thing or two about developing talent from Nellie.  This combo of draft day steals is like Nelly's club ready "Hot in Herrre" and his featured role on N'Sync's "Girlfriend" (remix), respectively.  The Neptunes produced  "Hot in Herree" was recognizably a sure-fire club banger upon an initial listen--Nowitzki no doubt.  Nash, on the other hand, was the pop sensation that was "Girlfriend."  Nash's slow rise to stardom is similar to Nelly's surprise if not antithetical cross-over into the uber pop realm.  Yet, Nelly's role in "Girlfriend" just merely affirmed his come-up was legitimate.

Avery Johnson
Nelly's Equivalent: Air Force 1s

avery and diop
so good that he made Diop seem relevant again

Talk about mentorship. Avery Johnson not only to be the general at Golden State under Nelson, but was also his apprentice in Dallas on the sidelines, taking them to the NBA finals and becoming coach of the year in his first full season as head coach.  The same legendary genealogy could be seen in Nelly's Air Force 1s, where his reference to shoes was said to modernized rendition of Run DMC's "My Adidas."  "AF1s" is undeniably paying homage to the legends.  I feel comfortable saying that Johnson is a pair of Acorn Air Force 1s (retail price: $150)

1992 Draft, selecting Latrell Sprewell with the 24th pick
Nelly Equivalent: Shake Ya Tailfeather

dunleavy and sprewell
T.R.O.Y. They Reminisce Over You

Everyone knows about this one. How many one-handed shooting guards taken at the 24th pick turn into All-NBA teamers?  Some say that he's overrated and that his production dropped significantly after leaving Golden State.  But really, this is really just a testament to Nellie's scouting skills.  Nowadays, anything after the #9 pick is probably a bust.  "Shake Ya Tailfeather" turned out to be a monster hit, more so than it should have since it was on the Bad Boys II soundtrack.  Nelly turned a somewhat staid beat and collabo with Ditty into a summer anthem.  Like Nellie, Nelly makes something outta nothing.

NELLIE: THE MISSES

Rod Higgins 6'8 Center
Nelly equivalent: Flap Your Wings

Rod Higgins
can you believe that no one ever took pictures of Rod Higgins?

Nelly seems to love these bird references and Nelson loves small forwards masquerading as centers.  The creativity of the Afro-Carribbean drum inspired "Flap Your Wings" and Nelson's super small ball didn't always translate into sure fire hits.  The butt reference of  "get(ting) your eagle on girl" , was about as redundant as three small forwards filling the 3-5 spots on the floor.  

Trading Richmond
Nelly Equivalent: Dilemma feat. Kelly Rowland

RichmondSac
one of the saddest moments in Warrior history

WTF.  The breaking up of one of the most marketable "Big 3"s ever was as big a blunder as Nelly's attempt at crooning.  Though Nelly is far from "hard" and took shots from hip-hop's forefathers for being `un-real', THIS track demonstrated how he deserved the criticsm from the legends. At least hook up with Beyonce, right?  I guess that just wasn't in the budget.  Nellie says he regrets the trade to this day.  Let hope Nelly feels that way about `Dilemma.'

Asking Webber to play center
Nelly Equivalent: Over and Over feat. Tim McGraw

webberbanks
what two good knees can get you

Everyone knows Webber couldn't get along with Nellie and vice versa.  For some reason, that break up seemed to curse the Warriors for the next dozen years.  Webber was never a 5, but like a really agile 4... or a really robotic Magic Johnson.  This duo worked about as good as Nelly's collabo with Tim McGraw, which looked like the second coming of "Dilemma" at best.  Although the song was a success, this song has made several VH1 awesomely bad song/video countdown lists and still surprises me considering an industry that is so paranoid and obsessed with street cred for its marketability.  

Nine-player deal, the Dallas Mavericks traded point guards Nick Van Exel and Avery Johnson, guard Antoine Rigedeau, forward Popeye Jones and centre Evan Eschmeyer to Golden State for guard Jiri Welsch and forwards Antawn Jamison, Chris Mills and Danny Fortson.  (Antawn Jamison later became Stackhouse... a nice bench dude, at best).

-AND-

Earlier in the decade, the Dallas Mavericks made another major trade Monday night, this one a nine-player deal that sent Jim Jackson and All-Star Chris Gatling to the New Jersey Nets for center Shawn Bradley.

Nelly Equivalent: St. Lunatics
These blockbuster deals have seemed more like the dollar theater in terms of returns.  These huge posse cut trades have seemed as irrelevant as Nelly's clique from the `Lou'.   Why is it that the front man's posse always has to be goofy or comic relief (ala D12)?  Anyway pt. being, these dudes slated to be solid supporting players to their respective teams superstars have often become posterized or have disappeared completely from the NBA.

With the new Nellie era upon us, is it safe to call the Oakland Coliseum, "Nellieville"???  Could this be the biggest NBA/hip-hop marketing scheme since Run DMC performed at the Coliseum; could Nelly rapping about Nellie and the Warriors be bigger than Usher buying up part of the Cavs or Jay-Z's part ownership in the Nets?  Also, who do you think it's a bigger hit, Nellie or Nelly?  

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Nellie Hits and Misses
I have no opinion on Nelly...

But as for Nellie, you have to add Paul Pressey, point forward to the hits list.  Nellie had some success before moving to Oaktown.

The misses are ALL driven by his obsession with size, which is ironic because he had most of his success with small line-ups.  Asking CWebb to play the 5 was one thing... but remember too that he gave up the third pick (Penny Hardaway) and three future first rounders to do.

As for the Bradley trade in Dallas, it may be the WORST trade ever, not just the worst Nellie trade ever.  It was already painfully obvious that Bradley couldn't play (he was in the middle of his 4th year) and Nellie gave up Jim Jackson, Chris Gatling AND Sam Cassell (you left off Sam I Am) for the stiff.  Three starters for Shawn Bradley (and Shawn Bradley's contract.)  Ouch.

by ClipperSteve on Sep 1, 2006 3:08 PM PDT   0 recs

Ei Ei Uh Ooooooh
Man I loved his first album when it came out. Great article Fuzzy!

I see the warriors more like a big Opera concert. its long, strenuous, and in the end you expect something big but usually the main character dies ... or the fat woman sings. Like our playoff drought.

by YaoButtaMing on Sep 1, 2006 9:23 PM PDT   0 recs

Nelly
Man, I never understood why Nelly was so popular. Easily one of the most overrated MC's of all time.

93 'til Infinity: The Warriors' playoff drought?

by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 1, 2006 11:24 PM PDT   0 recs

Nellie vs Nelly
Nelly is garbage, and when he verbally attacked "The Teacher" KRS-One, he really made me dilike him. Nellie is the key to our playoff push!!

by goldenstatefan on Sep 2, 2006 7:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gimme a break!
Man, I never understood why NellIE was so popular. Your balance sheet is pretty damning: some good moves, but overall about a C+ at best. Yeah, there's nothing in his resume as nightmarish as Fuller/Kobe or Foyle/TMac, but also nothing as amazing as St. Jean's 2001 draft haul of JRich, Murph, and Arenas. We give the Saint a lot of crap, but seriously, has any other NBA GM ever snagged one solid starter and two bona fide stars in the same draft?

And sorry, but you youngsters totally lost me with whole Nellie v. Nelly thing. Back in my day the name Nell(ie) conjured one of two illustrious TV stars:



by Sleepy Freud on Sep 2, 2006 6:45 AM PDT   0 recs

new school
My historical memory really dates back about 21 years (when i was just a 4 footer).  Nellie and Nelly have both had way more hits (and misses)... i personally think Nelly will never be at Nellie's level.  Nellie to me is more like De La Soul, creative, innovative, and constantly creatin' new styles.

The Saint's 2001 draft was probably the biggest draft heist since Clippers got Brand, but I really think he was more lucky than anything.  Considering his track record @ Sac, Saint's resume, to me at least, is not looking too hot (but perhaps better than Mullin's!)

by dj fuzzylogic on Sep 2, 2006 11:12 AM PDT   0 recs

Nelly like De La?
Blasphemy!  3 Feet High and Rising remains one of the best albums of all time across any genre.  Nelly commands a higher percentage of air-time in strip clubs than De La, true and some of his stuff is fun to dance to (and is apparently quite a good bowler) but the cultural resonance of Nelly ends there.  I find new stuff in nearly 2 decade old De La on a regular basis.

by jae on Sep 2, 2006 12:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

no no no
OH, no way can Nelly hold the torch to De La.  I completely agree with you on that one.  I was sayin' NellIE was more like De La if we were to do coach/rapper comparisons.  Stakes is High is my personal favorite De La, the story telling and general themes were dope and they showed they could still create dope beats w/out the eccentricities of Prince Paul.

What's your fav. De La track?

by dj fuzzylogic on Sep 2, 2006 1:17 PM PDT   0 recs

ooops
Sorry, misread your post.  Probably a result of this strange summer flu that's keeping me fever-dazed. Either that or I'm just lazy.

My favorite De La track changes from time to time.  The 12" remix of Buddy is usually up there, in large part because as a very amateur producer, it's an ongoing lesson in the art of the remix.  Change in Speak is also a fav.  Don't know why it took me so long, but I realized that the sample track in it is Cymande's "Bra," another song I absolutely love.  I wasn't familiar with it until Spike Lee used it as the power track in the club scene in The 25th Hour.  Spike and De La both saw that the track had a versatile hook that you just can't avoid.  

The more recent stuff from De La's catalog isn't (IMHO) as good as anything off of 3 Feet, but they started so incredibly high, there's room to fall and still be fantastic, innovative, versatile, brilliant.

by jae on Sep 2, 2006 1:36 PM PDT   0 recs

Recent De La Hits
Don't forget:
  • Much More
  • Ooooh with Redman
  • All Good? with Chaka Khan (man, she had some crazy vocals on that track!)
And my all time favorite- "Me, myself, and I"

I'll admit and I'm probably the only hip hop head who'll admit this- I think Buddy is overrated.


93 'til Infinity: The Warriors' playoff drought?

by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 2, 2006 4:42 PM PDT   0 recs

buddy over-rated
"Buddy" wasn't nearly as good as the 12" version.

by jae on Sep 2, 2006 5:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Buddy Buddy Buddy all up in yo' face..
"Buddy" i think became super played out in the last few years when clubs promoting 'old-skool nites' HAD to play it everytime.  

Underrated De La joint "Pony Ride" and "Wonce again Long Isle." Pos at his best!

Hey Jae, where can hear some of your music? Based on your De La analysis, looks like you got a great musical genealogy goin'... how would you best describe your prod?  

by dj fuzzylogic on Sep 2, 2006 6:07 PM PDT   0 recs

music
Unfortunately, I don't really have anything put together to share presently. It's been a few years (late 90s) since I was doing much with music and then still as an amateur putting together stuff for parties and some recordings for an eclectic pop band I had with some other grad students. My tastes are best described as eclectic, though I tend to want to put a horn section in everything be it second wave ska or hard trance or classic hip hop.  I've always thought I had a good ear, but my technical skills as a musician are, uh, 'limited.' The digital tools today are so much better than they were even a few years ago.  Perhaps if my job and need for steady employment ever evaporate I can get back to it.

by jae on Sep 3, 2006 10:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That pic of CWebb with Tyra got to me
Man, is he still with her?  If he's smart he is.  She must make more money than him and you know how big a payday CWebb gets.

Now Nellie's back, too, with places in Maui and Dallas, but looking back it seems both Nellie and CWebb did well for themselves but the Golden State Warriors didn't.

I don't mind people gettin' ahead and lettin' bygones be bygones but why are the GSW still the same?

by callahan on Sep 5, 2006 10:31 PM PDT   0 recs

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