GSoM EXCLUSIVE Rumor: Update- Warriors/ Bobcats Deal

Oh my

Dunleavy and Pietrus for Wallace and Ely?

Too good to be true.

by jonathan on Sep 24, 2006 4:59 PM PDT reply actions

I should clarify

Even with Biedrins or somebody (though I do like Biedrins quite a bit) it's still a sweet deal.

by jonathan on Sep 24, 2006 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions

no wonder

yea, i thought it wouldd be to good to be true too, but thats probably why they are askin for biedrins or draft pick

by bayareawarriors on Sep 24, 2006 5:07 PM PDT reply actions

Biedrins is not a throw-in.

sorry, I'd pass if they want AB.

by Bob on Sep 24, 2006 5:15 PM PDT reply actions

wow

Gerald Wallace would be huge

And we'd be giving up our sorry SF's!

As much as I like Biedrins, Wallace is a all around player.

by the optimus dime on Sep 24, 2006 5:53 PM PDT reply actions

makes this a good deal for us - too good: we get Wallace & unload Dunleavy's contract?! ... wonder what MJ is thinking - add Bonzi, Dunleavy, and Pietrus??? (plus Morrison). Substituting AB for Pietrus also doesn't clear up Charlotte's glut at the 4 (the reason Ely was available in the first place), maybe our conditional #1 pick is what they really want ... makes me wonder if Char has to add salary just to avoid falling below a minimum cap ... just sounds too good to be true ...

by hardcore on Sep 24, 2006 5:59 PM PDT reply actions

Adding salary

makes me wonder if Char has to add salary just to avoid falling below a minimum cap

Yeah I'm thinking the same thing JB's thinking. It makes trading Dunleavy with that nasty BYC restriction actually realistic.

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by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 24, 2006 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions

F*cking STUPID!

Oh please don't let this deal happen. We'll have more of a logjam of big men, and we'll have less depth with our small men. Imagine if Richardson/Davis got injured, or if they both go injured, we'd be in a sh*thole. We might even be playing our Utah Jazz D-Leaguers!

OUR TEAM IS FINE.

WE ALREADY HAVE PLAYOFFS.

DON'T LET THIS SLIP AWAY.

*I apologize for my harshness and cursing, but this really p*sses me off.

RUN FOYLE, RUN!!!!

by Zorgon on Sep 24, 2006 6:32 PM PDT reply actions

LOL

if Baron and JRich went down "we'd be in a sh*thole" whether we did this trade or not.

by Bob on Sep 24, 2006 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions

what?

we do have a lot of big men and we get rid of two in this deal, dunleavy is junk and everyone knows it, if he would turn into a great player, it would have happened by now. pietrus is okay but no gerald wallace (wow, that comment made me sad)

i think that we shouldnt get rid of Biendrins, hes only 20 and still has plenty of potential

get rid of Zarko or Taft or a Utah guy, i think that the bobcats would like an expiring deal

Kosta Costa rookie of the year in 07!!!!!!!!

by badnamedwarriorfan on Sep 24, 2006 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions

MAKE THIS TRADE!

it suprises me how you make the most ludicrous and ignorant statements time and time again zorgon! we are trading a sf/sg and a sf for a sf and pf! there would be neither a plethora of big men nor a dearth of small players. essentially it would be sg for a pf which is a pretty nice deal. dunleavy is garbage and i dont think a new system is going to change that. better to trade him for a player ( wallace) that shows some defensive tenacity as well as an ever improving offensive game. we would rid ourselves of dunleavy's contract thus improving our chance of landing a decent free agent in the future ( or once again blowing it on a go nowhere player that has "potential") this trade makes sense on so many levels that your inabiltity to see things logically astounds me. once again you give no basis for you idea on how the warriors will be in the playoffs when the cold hard facts are that this same roster has had back to back 34 win seasons. an extra 10 wins by playing nellie-ball does not the playoffs bring! all that means is that we get a worse pick in the lottery, thus ensuring our mediocrity and subsequent trips to the lottery, ad nauseum, ad nauseum.

by jmorales on Sep 24, 2006 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions

huh?

Wallace plays SG/SF

The only small player we'd lose is Pietrus, but he'd be replaced by Wallace. And we'd lose Dunleavy and Biedrins.

So your argument is pointless.

We are actually just replacing a SG/SF, unloading a fat contract, and actually reducing the log jam at the 4 and 5. Since we'd be giving up Dun and Biedrins for Ely.

So uh... yeah, your argument doesn't make sense.

by the optimus dime on Sep 24, 2006 6:42 PM PDT reply actions

I'm on the east coast at school

Where it's already ten, but only 7 back home. Is it getting to the point where this deal may be dead? 7 seems a bit late for "the deal would go down today"....... (and it's 10 for Mr. Jordan and the Bobcats as well)

by jonathan on Sep 24, 2006 7:09 PM PDT reply actions

man

yea, i would rather hold on to AB for atleast a few more years. that would be the only hang up to this deal. how about zarko or brown. those guys might be valuable, especially zarko since he could play the 3 or 4 and isn't a low post player.

by kenntoe on Sep 24, 2006 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions

Response

I apologize if I have offended you.

Now:

Do we really need another PF? We have: Taft, Caparkapa, Diogu, Biedrins, Murhpy. 1/3rd of our roster is PFs already, and swapping Biedrins for Ely really isn't that great of an improvent.

Wallace can't play SG, especially in Nellie ball. So Our PG-SG Situation looks like so.

PG- Davis, Ellis, McLeod(D-League)
SG- Richardson, Wagner(Not yet proven), Brown(D-League), Owens(D-League)

So we've got 3 people? 1 of them injury prone, 1 of them with constant minor injuries, and Ellis has just gotten injured, who knows what could happen? And if one goes down, good luck! Okay, maybe Wagner, but who knows what the guy will do after so much surgery?

And SF Looks like..Wallace....and Wallace...and Wallace? We will have our players in wrong spots the entire game!

Okay, now my position stuff probobly hasn't convinced you. But I think Dunleavy really will work in this offense! Okay, Dunleavy is lacking in...Defense. And Nellie focuses on...offense. Which is where his strengths are! He may not get any better, but I'm sure he'll contribute more.

Lets look at Elys stats...5.6 points per game? Wow. I'm not saying that factors don't contribute to that, but hes no superstar, and really isn't much better or much worse than we have now.

Wallace has 14.7 points, 5.5 rebounds. Yes, better than Dunleavys, but we must attribute the fact that hes been playing on the BOBCATS. If Dunleavy was switched for Wallace, I'm sure their stats would be closer, maybe equal. As for defense, yes Gerald Wallace is better, but should we really trade for a slight improvement in defense, on a MAJORLY offensively focused strategy?

Now, if we were trading for a superstar, ala KG, I'd understand. But these guys aren't superstars, they're role players!

I know everyones disappointed with this team, everybody wants changes, everybody wants more. Everybodys upset over 12 years of losing. But we don't need to make major changes! What noone seems to realise is that Chris Mullin assembled good team here, and the only problem was that Collegegomery couldn't coach them out of a closet, and we were run by Baron Davis. Now we've got someone that can do something, 2 superstars on our team and a future superstar (Ellis), and many people who will benefit from the coaching style. There are a few who might suffer, liek Foyle if he doesnt get in shape, Taft, Diogu, but I'm confident this will work.

If you want to lose again because we're anxious and need to make trades for the sake of making trades do this move, and make the same mistake we've been making for 12 years.

If you want to win with our current lineup and stop and think for a second, don't make this trade.

Now, if you disagree majorly and are going to go all bananas because I think illogically, go ahead, but lets not start fighting over it. we'll see whos right when the season starts. If this trade goes through, and we go to the playoffs, then more power to you, I was wrong. I mean, hey, I'm the guy who likes Foyle, the 97-98 Warriors, and hates Baron Davis. I'm wrong most of the time.

RUN FOYLE, RUN!!!!

by Zorgon on Sep 24, 2006 8:23 PM PDT reply actions

Gerald Wallace

... is a monster. This guy is athletic as hell, plays mad defense too.

Zorgon: "but we must attribute the fact that hes been playing on the BOBCATS. If Dunleavy was switched for Wallace, I'm sure their stats would be closer, maybe equal."

Doesn't matter if he plays for the Bobcats, when we're talking about defense, it doesn't matter what team you're in. Cause if you're a good defender, you defend against the OTHER team.
And Wallace led the league with 2.5 steals per game, had an amazing 2.1 blocks per game, 7.5 rebounds, and shot 53.8% from the field. The man must be doing something right.

Dude, Mike Dunleavy plays for US. And he STARTS. And I do believe we STUNK last year. He had a chance to have a breakout season, instead his stats overall declined. So I wouldn't be so sure he'd be that great on the Bobcats.

But hey, i'm not tryna argue, i'm just stating what i think. No offense man.

by mistererickk on Sep 24, 2006 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions

Yes

Point taken. I just don't think its worth it. No depth, etc.

RUN FOYLE, RUN!!!!

by Zorgon on Sep 24, 2006 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions

The actual stats

So long as we're comparing players by stats, it's probably a good idea to get the stats right. Gerald Wallace averaged 15.2 points and 7.5 rebounds a game, not "14.7 points, 5.5 rebounds". Two rebounds a game on average is rather significant. It's the difference between being marginally above average for the position to being well above the norm for a small forward.

Wallace's point total may have been inflated by being on the Bobcats, but his shooting percentage (54% from the floor last season) certainly wasn't helped by playing for a bottom dweller. It's actually more impressive that he put that up on a team where there weren't as many people there to score. Maybe Dunleavy could have scored more if he was playing on a lousy team too, er, wait! He WAS playing on a lousy team. How come he didn't put up better numbers again?

I'm not really a fan of Ely--I'm underwhelmed with his rebounding ability-- but let's try to get his stats even remotely close to what they were before discussing them too. Last season, he average 9.8 points a contest, not "5.6 points per game." (At first I thought you must mean his career average, but you'd be off with both him and Wallace there as well.) He also put up the 9.8 in about 23 minutes a night. That is better than anything we had last year in the paint.

Ely didn't

by jae on Sep 24, 2006 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions

Sorry, Wikipedia must've been wrong...

I should've indicated what I meant.

With Ely, I meant career average.

With Wallace, I mixed up the numbers on the rebounds, but with the scoring, Wikipedia lists him at 14.7. And I was listing Wallace for the 05-06 season, since it did him more grace.

As for Dunleavy playing on a bad team, I think that both teams performed badly, but the Bobcats have less talent than the Warriors, and were more reliant on Wallace. The Warriors were not reliant on Dunleavy, and there was more star power to take the stats away.

Yes, Wallace has great FG percentage, I just don't think its worth trading for.

Again, its just my opinion.

RUN FOYLE, RUN!!!!

by Zorgon on Sep 24, 2006 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions

any truth to this

i understand that this is a gsom exclusive but i havent seen anything involving this so i was curious if this anonymous guy is legit or not

wallace is a good player, ely is a role players, pietrus is an eratic player and dunleavy sucks. lets break this down

We get: Good player, role player who plays defense
We lose: an erratic player, a bad player and hopefully zarko, who isnt very good

Kosta Costa rookie of the year in 07!!!!!!!!

by badnamedwarriorfan on Sep 24, 2006 9:17 PM PDT reply actions

anonymous guy

i understand that this is a gsom exclusive but i havent seen anything involving this so i was curious if this anonymous guy is legit or not

Yup our source is legit. From a major site. Can't really say any more details than that because we promised that they would remain anonymous.

Again, I want to stress that we NEVER make up rumors at GSoM. (haha, come on- you guys read my jokes! You know I could come up with something funnier/ more entertaining than this one). The only time we ever made up anything was the April Fool's joke last year about Ice Cube buying the Warriors. Almost all of the rumors you read here we're just giving a shout out to another site.

Will this come true? I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't- I mean just because GMs are talking about a deal doesn't mean it's going to happen. Plus, GMs throw up smoke screens all the time. They use other GMs to increase the value of their players or to make another team act faster.

Remember how ESPN reported that Artest to the Clips for Maggette was a done deal? It never happened. Again, we aren't reporting anything here. We're just relaying what we heard. It's clearly labeled as a "Rumor" not as "Breaking News."

We got an anonymous tip from a legit source. GSoM is an open community. I'd rather share what we heard rather than keep it to ourselves.

I really mean this when I post this line: 99% of rumors never happen, but 99% of them are fun to talk about!

If you read the rumor sites, most of that stuff never happens. It's just fun to talk about. Sites like HoopsHype aren't popular because they're always right. They're popular because they're fun.

The Bay loves GSoM!

by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 24, 2006 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions

okay

i didnt mean anything bad, i was just curious to know if this was a legit source or some drunk guy running down the street screaming

thanks

Kosta Costa rookie of the year in 07!!!!!!!!

by badnamedwarriorfan on Sep 24, 2006 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions

No prob man

I didn't think you meant anything bad at all.

Haha, dont worry. I'm good about ignoring drunk guys running down the street. And I'll make sure none of the GSoM writers post while their drunk. Haha, I can see the headlines- "BREAKING NEWS: KG for Zarko! Done Deal!"

The Bay loves GSoM!

by Atma Brother ONE on Sep 24, 2006 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions

long term Wallace?

Is everyone forgetting that Wallace only has 1 year left on his contract? Now, some of you are going to say that is good....expiring contracts, bla bla. But as far as good young talents go, I feel that you want these guys locked up! We're basically going to get Wallace for 1 year, and he'll either be gone, or we'll HAVE TO sign him to a Dunleavy size or more contract. He's going to demand that in the market. So if you want this deal to go through to "rent" Wallace for 1 year, fine. But let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here.

Top 7 of '07 draft = Warriors only chance of being good over the next 5 years

by jgodoski on Sep 24, 2006 9:23 PM PDT reply actions

nope

sorry, you dont wanna lock up anybody until they have at least played well for YOUR TEAM. at the end of one year if he's a keeper then you try to sign him for decent contract without going overboard. dunleavy's and other guy's contracts have proven to me that you don't put anyone on long term with a fat paycheck unless they are true superstar material. if they wanna go elsewhere for more pay, f 'em.

by ssmokinjoe on Sep 25, 2006 3:51 AM PDT up reply actions

okay

So, if you want this deal to go through, you're willing to drop $50mil/5 years on G-Wallace if he performs decently well? That's cool if you're willing to do that. I just hate it when people think getting a guy in a trade means he'll be a life time Warrior for cheap. We just gotta be realistic here.

Top 7 of '07 draft = Warriors only chance of being good over the next 5 years

by jgodoski on Sep 25, 2006 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions

make the deal

yeah i have to say i would trade dunleavy/pietrus for Wallace and be happy with that deal. I don't really want to get Ely but if it gets the deal done fine. But then to throw in a first rounder in the supposedly best draft in years .... No Way i do that. Even though i believe it is a first rounder that is contingent on the 76ers not making the playoffs. The sixers really have not improved themselves and will be border line playoffs. A gamble no doubt.

I am all for adding CArbarkapa, or any of the 3 expiring utah contracts in the deal.... though i think you guys calling them D-leaguers are selling them short. Mcleod, is a far superior back up point guard than what we had with Fisher. He actually understands how to run a fast break, can play defense, and can run an offence unlike fisher. Mcleod, i believe was like 6th in the nation in scoring his senior year in ncaa, so he is a capable back up at the very least. Far superior to A.Miles or Bynum who both proved to be better 1's than Fisher.

Devin Brown also is athletic and a guy that has proven that he can contribute as a role player.

It makes sense to me that Mcleod is included with dunleavy-Pietrus based on current needs of CHa

I think it will be a mistake if we include Biedrins as well.

by boogielew on Sep 24, 2006 9:27 PM PDT reply actions

Let's stretch it out with more trade rumors;

If Nelson & Mullin go after Garnett ($21m-$22-$24) that probably means trading contracts of JRich ($10m-$11-$12) & Murphy ($8-$9-$10).

Garnett has a player option 2007/2008 so GSW would be gambling he re-signs or GS tries trading a bit of youth or future picks to have Wolves get Garnett to drop the option.

To me it is a deal breaker if he does not. (TWolves have aged!)

To drop the option I'm sure Garnett would want to approve the roster first.

That takes us to the Bobcat's trade:

Melvin Ely adds veteran defense behind Garnett and frees Diogu to play more minutes at Center with lifer Foyle & untested O'bryant of the broken foot.
Wallace has a player option next year and BC's probably think he plans to walk making him available for Dunleavy. That and the fact the BCats are $9 million under the cap and will be spreading that amongst the current roster if they don't take on new players with it.

BC's need to sign both to 2 years + 1 year team option before the trade.

Warriors after the above trades:
PG = Baron
PG/SG = Ellis, Wagner, McLeod,
SG = Owens, Brown
SG/SF = Wallace
SF = Carbarkapa
PF= Garnett, Ely, Taft, Beidrins
C = Diogu, Foyle, O'Bryant, Perovic

Training camp would see fine tuning but I think Nelson and Garnett both like this roster. I also think Diogu/O'bryant might steal Foyle's job this season considering Nelson's schemes.

Million dollar playoffs bonus

by Playoffs Drought on Sep 24, 2006 11:46 PM PDT reply actions

Make the Deal

It just seems like Pietrus, at best, will be a role player. Dunleavy.... as much as I support him, will never live up to the expectations as a lottery pick and will also be a role player at best. AB... I dont want to give him up, the dubs management needs to spend money on a shooting coach, like the spurs did for tony parker last season. Like seriously. who agrees with me? Once AB gets a shooting coach for those FTs... he will be a MONSTER.

Once we dump Dunleavy's contract, we'll be able to sign Gerald Wallace; if the trade goes through of course. I agree with boogielew in that Mcleod is a better replacement for the PG. Devin Brown, might be arguably overall-better than Pietrus(for a SG comming off the bench). Theres more I want to say but I'm multitasking as I write this and I forgot the rest of what I wanted to say, I will post more if I remember.

by ZombieWarrior on Sep 24, 2006 11:52 PM PDT reply actions

Jrich for KG = NO way

I hope that trade rumors are just rumors ....and the deal doesn't go down. KG is getting down to age and even tho he is still 31 he has a lot of wear and tear on him. Jrich is still young and improving every year. I think Minn gets the good end of the deal. I would trade anyone else but not KG.

by buddarifik on Sep 25, 2006 8:15 AM PDT reply actions

You

may have a point, there. He could start breaking down soon.

RUN FOYLE, RUN!!!!

by Zorgon on Sep 25, 2006 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions

The contracts almost wash. KG and Wallace

each need to commit to 2-3 years to even consider doing a changeover of this magnitude. A 3 year run makes it worthwhile. A one year wonder has me running... away!

The KG-Wallace version is better offensively and defensively

JRich is a favorite of mine too.

The real questions here are which team has the ability to battle in the playoffs? ....and would twolves take different players?

by Playoffs Drought on Sep 25, 2006 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions