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Pacers preview of Dum, Murph, and Ike

Nice article on the Pacers site of the 3 E-Warriors.   Really sheds a glowing light on their chances this year. of course, you wouldn't expect them to say they are going to suck. :p

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/feature_warriors_071004.html

Reading through there are some nice statistics, but what's missing with these 3 in my mind are the intangibles. They couldn't get the Dubs to the playoffs, and they couldn't get the Pacers there either.

All 3 can put up decent numbers: Dun can fill a stat sheet, but couldn't shoot. Murphy was a double-double pre-Nelson, so I think we've all kind of given him a bad rap by lumping him in with Dunleavy. I've always liked the guy cause he could give you 10 rebounds and also stretch the floor. Ike was awesome at AZ State but didn't really get a chance in the NBA. He had some monster games, but usually looked awkward and overmatched. Then again, Webber's inside post-up game looked silly when he first came out. (I am not comparing his future to Webber's career).

Anyway a decent article - though obviously slanted.
http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/feature_warriors_071004.html

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meh... the Pacers still don't know what hit them
first of all, Dunleavy did not lose his confidence. How can he lose something he didn't have in the first place?

second, funny how they said their taking the pressure off Dunleavy for being the 3rd overall pick yet O'Brien thinks he'll be a playmaker, a rebounder, a shooter. That's what we've been waiting for him to be. Never happened. I'll be surprise if it does. Much so this year.

I feel for Murphy, I think Nellie's style just hurt him and the injury to his nose didn't help either. He was a consistent double double guy before and it was painful seeing him miss point blank open layups he normally wouldn't have trouble making.

As for Diogu, I still wish him luck. I hope he doesn't become a monster like Brand but I hope he gets off to a decent career. I remember not knowing how to react to the trade because as much as I like getting rid of Dunleavy and Murphy's contract, I had a hard time letting Diogue go. Besides, I honestly thought there was a big possiblity they will waive Sjax.

Anyway, if I were Indiana.. I won't be too excited even if they do good in training camps and preseason. We've heard this story one too many times and the ending was always the same.

by lightz0ut on Oct 5, 2007 7:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Poor Pacers
if they really think Mike Dunleavy is going to be able to match up with shooting guards defensively, they should be prepared for a most unpleasant surprise.  In fact if they think he is going to match up with anyone defensively it won't be pretty.  Also I would warn them not to expect many (successful) post ups, cause this is a guy that couldn't post up Steve Nash.  

On the flip side I hope Murph can go back to the player he was.  I remember a few years back he took Pau Gasol to the rack and threw a reverse down on his head, if he can get anywhere near that level again the Pacers future will have gone from terrible to slightly less terrible.  Heres hoping he can put up double doubles nightly again, and I can snatch him on my fantasy team.

by FoyledAgain on Oct 5, 2007 8:14 PM PDT reply actions  

hahhaha Fools
How can you feel anything but pity and appreciation for the Pacers?

First the pity:
The crap they are spouting sounds like the exact crap you heard from the W's a few years ago.

IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!!!

The DunMurphys sisters have peaked, both statistically and "intangibly".

The Pacers, like us before, keep trying to fool themselves about the impending b-ball skill extravaganza explosion by Dun. He has been in the league six f-in seasons.

Poor, poor Pacers.

Now, the appreciation:

Thank you for giving us a team captain, a heart and a soul and one of our most important players.

Thank you for giving us a "versatile" combo forward who not only has a shorter contract but is a better player.

Thank you for taking two joyless, soulless, poorly matched for our team (and it might turn out for yours, too) players with huge contracts.

by Lifelong on Oct 5, 2007 8:24 PM PDT reply actions  

well put
i never actually disliked Murphy...but I thank the Pacers for giving us Jack and TMNH.  Last years playoff run wouldn't have happened without them.

by sadleavy on Oct 5, 2007 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe the embarrassment
gets dunleavy to start putting it together and play a consistent game.  we saw flashes of what he could be if he stormed the hole and played tough d.  too bad that was four years ago and he's sucked big time ever since.  but, he'll most likely be a cancer there too.

by eshock @ Golden State Of Mind on Oct 5, 2007 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

i think that if
he was a lights-out mike miller type shooter then we would've appreciated the other aspects of his game. But it's seems like the consistency of his shot is directly related to the consistency of his play.  Jack has been knocked as an inconsistent shooter too, but he's got heart and contributes in other dramatic ways (such as riling up his team with hustle play and leadership).

As it is, I believe Nelson was right in calling Dunleavy a skilled 8th man in a rotation. A James Posey type...a Mikael Pietrus type (which explains why they were constantly battling for the same position and partly why Pietrus thought he was starter-worthy)

by sadleavy on Oct 5, 2007 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think
another HUGE difference betw. sjax and Dun"Nothin"Leavy is on the defensive end.  Jax can be mr.shutdown at times, while dunleavy... well ... can't stop anybody.
THIS IS OOOAKLAND!!!

by Tim N Chris Burger on Oct 5, 2007 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

their roster
I'll never understand WTF they're doing with that roster.

DUNLEAVY IS NOT A SHOOTING GUARD.

TRADE A PF AND A SF FOR SOME GUARDS THAT DONT SUCK.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Oct 5, 2007 10:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Pacers problem now
Dunleavy will get killed at the 2 on D. His problem is if he does not hit his shot early he is out the rest of the game offensively and guess how often he starts off hot!
I look for Murphy to rebound and have a decent year, giving them a double-double but still weak on D. Diogu is they guy they need to build his confidence. He can be a good player if he is properly motivated and given a chance to play. We got to give them something for what they gave us.

by tangel29 on Oct 6, 2007 1:43 AM PDT reply actions  

they might have to include Granger
in a deal, if they ever want to get rid of Murph or Dunleavy's salary.
This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Oct 6, 2007 8:41 AM PDT reply actions  

yeah
but on the flip side

is Granger good enough that you could stomach $9M for Dunleavy or $10M for Murphy?

I'm skeptical, so I also think a pick might be necessary.

The Clippers probably wouldn't mind Dunleavy, but have about 34 SF's on the roster already.

Maybe Diogu would be sufficient to move Dunleavy, since he still has a desirable skillset.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Oct 6, 2007 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

SOMEBODY please look past the stats...
...and quit referring to Murphy's "double double" ability.  goodness!  i know we're all reluctant to lump him in with Dunleavy, given Mike's unprecedented lack of popularity here, but c'mon, he's a stiff on the same level.  you think if mike had stood in the lane for 2 straight years and taken only an occasional shot outside of 10 feet that his stats wouldn't mirror Murphy's?

Kawakami NAILED it right after the trade when he summed up why it was that Murphy was ever a double double guy.  it's really this simple: if you're on horrible teams that can't rebound, and miss a ton of shots, and you're 6'-10" and the only one consistently standing under the basket, then you're likely to get 5 easy baskets and 10 rebounds a game.  the reason you actually have far less value to any decent team than your stats would indicate is that on a good team there'll be 6 other guys that can not only do the 2 things you do better than you, but also the other dozen or so things that make you an NBA player.

the only person in that trade that there's ANY chance for is Ike, and that's only because he hasn't had sufficient chance to be given up on yet.

by 321 IN n OUT on Oct 6, 2007 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Biggest reason I hated Dunleavy was...
that sour, questioning look he would give teammates with his palms up, after a turnover. He NEVER admitted he was wrong for making a mistake on the floor and was always quick to blame it on someone else. The spoiled coach's boy could never be wrong, and he hid behind his "high basketball IQ" to make up for the complete lack of confidence that engulfed him every game. He should have just put the same focus on growing some balls....Shit I dunno, go to the boxing gym and get your assed whooped a couple times, then maybe you wont flinch so bad when you see even a 5-10 170 pound PG coming to contest your shot....that lil b*tch always punked out.
This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Oct 8, 2007 5:58 PM PDT reply actions  

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