Kenny "the hater" Smith joins Chuck in Warrior-bashing!
Hello all! This is my first post, so bear with me!
I was perusing the Yahoo sports NBA area when I noticed an article by Kenny Smith on 10 early stories to watch. The fourth story was:
The Warriors look like a team that caught the right opponent at the right time last year when they faced the Mavs in the first round of the playoffs. So far, the Warriors look like they haven't figured out the recipe to success. They have no defense and Jason Richardson, who was traded to Charlotte in the offseason, was underrated. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AmGJjaydIpDRND0ZgAFSzR28vLYF?slug=ks-nbastories110507&prov =yhoo&type=lgnsSo, because we have lost the first 5 games this year (with Jax out, etc, etc) all of the accomplishments from last year were just luck. Looks like he's joined his buddy Chuck in hater-nation. Good thing is that there is an option at the bottom of that page to leave Kenny your comments, so please feel free!
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Um
Basically, every single one of their statements is 100% true, with the possible exception of the one about JRich.
Anyway, welcome aboard, Snesley. Good user name: I always love a good spoonerism.
Best,
Freepy Sleud
Go Warriors!
The truth is that the "We Believe" story was one that the media did well to exploit last year. However, the media thrives on the status quo, and only short-term challenges to it. Its a better story for them to have us do badly this year, especially given the reputation of some of our players.
But I digress. The point being is that if I had gotten to the playoffs and beaten the league favorites in one of the most emotional, exciting, and well-played series in recent memory, and then some guy said that I had just "caught the right opponent at the right time," I wouldn't be too happy about it. Would you?
Moreover, this analysis is after FIVE GAMES!!! Not to mention that we are missing our second best player and have as many injury issues as we do. We lost 2 to a team that honestly just has our number, and the other three were relatively closely contested. And we looked darn good in that mavs game. My wife has never understood of professionals who practice as much as they do can shoot a FT% any lower than 80%. Biedrins is Biedrins, but the rest really have no excuse. Well, that's my rant. :)
by Snesley Wipes on Nov 10, 2007 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
Um.
All the other stuff is neither here nor there as far as the quote is concerned. Yeah, it's only five games, but alas, these guys are paid to flap their games every day; and it's the nature of the media (sports and news) to overreact to recent events. Alas, you can't do any worse in your first five games than 0-5. Best way to shut clowns like Barkley up: start winning a few...
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 10, 2007 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Er
The Ws are the ones flapping their games...
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 10, 2007 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
um
Saying that we can't do worse 5 losses in 5 games is really making use of a straw-man. Obviously you're right, but is 5 games with the current roster any judge of this team (much less a judge of last years')? Kenny Smiths comments are much the same. Of course the warriors ran into the right opponent at the right time! That's true about any team, who has won any game, ever! They simply caught the right team at the right time. Its an empty argument which only aims to degrade an accomplishment.
And who exactly had underrated J-Rich? Dubs fans? The warriors brass? Not really. If anyone had not given him his due, it was the national media. I mean, did any of them actually watch the dunk contests that he won? Some may call me crazy, but his contest dunks were flat-out better than vince carter's. But did he ever get the cred? Not really. The same can be said about his everyday game.
So I really can't see what is true about his comments (besides defense and chemistry). If you want to believe that the warriors were merely johnny on the spot last year, hey, more power to ya. I thought they were better than that, but thats just me.
by Snesley Wipes on Nov 11, 2007 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Quibbles...
Or putting words in people's mouths. You keep harping on what "they're basically saying." I'm going by what they're actually saying, which, again, is 100% true, with the possible exception of the JRich part.
Or stating a fact, for no rhetorical purpose other than a smile. You may need to look up "straw man." Also, I'm not sure what a comment of mine from another thread has to do with the central point of this mini-debate, which is that the quote you're making such a big deal out of is in fact true.
The fact that it's self-evident doesn't make it any less true. Stating the obvious is part of what sports announcers get paid to do.
Yes, it's kind of empty, and probably mean spirited, but again, that doesn't make it any less true. You don't like it because you're a Ws fan. Full stop.
Well you're not going to get me going on a silly underrated/overrated debate. That's a big pet peeve of mine. I agree with you that the question "by who?" always needs to be asked. Whether he's underrated or overrated, Jason Richardson is a pretty good NBA player. Possibly slightly better than Kelenna Azubuike, certainly far worse than Kobe or Wade or Ray Allen.
I'm not really sure what you're getting at with the JRich stuff, though: if you're trying to argue that he didn't get the credit he deserved, you're basically supporting Kenny Smith's statement, right?
Again, your words, not mine or Kenny Smith's. Personally, I'd say they were more "Baron-and-Jackson on the spot..."
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 11, 2007 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry about the dyslexia
My point in bringing up this thread was to draw attention to what I felt was a slight on the warriors. I just felt that fellow fans would enjoy hearing about it. I honestly didn't think anyone would disagree.
Also, I'm not sure where I mentioned any comment of yours from another thread. You replied to me earlier saying:
I was only quoting from your reply. If that bugged you, my apologies again.
Finally, I never said that those were Kenny's words, or yours for that matter. But there is much that lies beyond the literal meaning. Obviously something I said set you off (this is only my INTERPRETATION of your words and tone). So again, I guess joining this community was a mistake. i never really liked the blogosphere, always felt it was a bit pretentious and insular. I guess its no different here.
by Snesley Wipes on Nov 11, 2007 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, it's different here
I guess I have kind of a pet peeve (one of many, huh?) about what appears to me to be "baiting" or "rabble-rousing." Essentialy, I thought the diary was an (unmalicious) effort to demonize Kenny Smith and get your fellow fans to join in, rather than a sincere effort to rebut the substance of his words. Clowns like Barkley, Hollinger, and Chad Ford say enough baseless, incorrect stuff about the Ws; no need to get hot and bothered when they say something that's actually true.
Anyway, sorry if my tone was a little harsh. I really didn't mean it personally. Generally speaking, it may be a bit insular here, but it's almost never pretentious (my posts excluded ;-)) and most of the time can be pretty informative and fun. Stick around a bit. 1Dub.
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 12, 2007 1:09 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
by blahblah on Nov 10, 2007 3:00 PM PST reply actions
The Jet
What have we got so far in the J Rich trade? 0.33 minutes a game and a guy who is well aquanted with the bench. Great... Man, we really need a win to get this bitter taste out my mouth. I want to have a "glass full" attitude, but I still kinda have the same feeling I did when I heard we traded J Rich for a draft pick. I thought I was over it before the 1st game of the year, but with each passing game, its more evidant that we REALLY are missing J Rich and S Jax.
dude
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by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Nov 10, 2007 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Reposting
JRich / Azubuike
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32.8 / 35.0 mins
36.6 / 53.1 fg%
46.7 / 76.0 ft%
14.0 / 18.8 pts
5.2 / 5.2 reb
1.2 / 1.4 ast
3.2 / 1.4 turnovers
and...
$11.11M / $0.64M salary in '08
If JRich were here, KAz would basically be riding pine, especially when Jax came back.
If you take Azubuike out of the equation, JRich for Wright was a small step back in the immediate term but likely a genius move beyond this year. If you factor in Azubuike, it's an absolute no-brainer, short and long term.
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 10, 2007 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Last year...
.
You're right
jrich and brandan wright
Trades do not occur in a vacuum, teams are made up of multiple players.
Whining about the J-Rich trade because Wright hasn't played ignores the context of why the move was made.
But of course, you can think whatever you want about the trade.
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Nov 10, 2007 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
JRich v. Wright:
Of course I don't think jRich is this bad, but it makes no sense right now to be whining about how much better off we'd be with him.
Daiginjo sake ... mmmmmmmm ...
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 10, 2007 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
one thing to add
and because of this trade Allena Kazibuke came in to rotation -players play better numbers if they came out in first 5
As a fan, I've seen worse
by Lat We N Trash on Nov 10, 2007 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
KAz
Many posters in this community beleived that KAz will eventually surpass what JRich had brought to the table. I like his quiet stance and hard works which he will eventually become one of the leaders of this team. This early, not only his team mates, coaching staffs and FO have nothing but all praises in him. Seeing his all around plays negates the pain of the trade of JRich.
Smith, Barkley and the rest of the "so called" TV analyst will always find faults and try to rub it on the face of the Warriors because they were all WRONG about their predictions. They all have to eat crow about what they said to the Dubs from not being in the playoff to the series with the Mavs. We don't hear that negative stance to the Sonics by trading Allen and letting go of Rashard. They even predicts that Durant will be the ROY.
True, we tripped at the gate and many have passed us. But I am happy it did happened at the starting line and not at the finish line. The GSW are proud franchise, and with the flexibility they are in now, I am sure they will make the corrective measures even if that means a trade or a signing of talent where they deemed they are weakest. Come January, I am sure we will be on even keel.
by muritqua on Nov 10, 2007 4:28 PM PST reply actions
I understand the frustration...
I also think it's weak that the credo the Mavs adopted about just "running into a hot team" has been so universally accepted. For those games, we weren't just a hot team, we were a BETTER team, and that'll never change. I find myself hoping that the Mavericks as constituted never win a championship, because then the Warriors role in staing them off becomes significantly more epic.
That said, Kenny Smith is a pretty level headed guy, and doesn't make his living trying to stir up a ruckus like Barkley does. I think the notion that we don't have a winning recipe is untrue, but you can't begrudge somebody their criticisms when you're 0-5.
I think this Richardson thing is getting kida silly, especially with what Azubuike's been able to do. Even if Richardson were outscoring Kelenna, which he isn't, I don't think it can be overstated how much better Kelenna is with the ball in his hands. He doesn't turn it over, he's under control, he isn't all elbows and knees charging to the hoop. He doesn't jump two feet in the air on his shot attempts, and he stays low to the ground until the moment he dcides to throw down. He plays completely in control, as well as with a smooth style that looks like it reduces the wear and tear on his body. With the money the Warriors saved on Richardson, hopefully we'll see Kelenna signed as our franchise two guard.
Well...
And no, the Dubs were/are not a better team than the the Mavs. Talent wise - the Mavs have it. It's like the Greek mythical story of Achilles...the only part on his body that could be hurt was his ankles...the Dubs were the Mavs' achilles' heel!!
And you should want the Mavs to win a trophy one day, otherwise, you didn't beat a great team...you beat a sort of okay team!! Think about it!! The team that knocked out Michael Jordan and the Bulls were a LEGIT team!! It wouldn't work to say, "so, you beat Karl Malone and the Utah Jazz...so did a lot of people!! Hell, even Dirk Nowitzki and Steve Nash can say that they did that!!"
JRichwatchers
I guess we're...
I mean, adressing it from player to player, look at last year's Warriors team. Baron is our best player, Nowitzki theirs. Let's give Dirk the edge. Their second best player is Howard. Ours is Jackson. Once again, let's give Howard the edge. Their third best is probably Terry. Ours was Richardson. For the sake of argument, I'll even call that one a push.
But what you've got is three players for each team that bring comparative levels of thunder to the court. Those would be seen as the competing "big threes" from last year's matchup. If I evaluate the talent disrepancy between Nowitzki-Howard-Terry and Davis-Jackson-Richardson, is it really such a colossal improbability that the latter squad could prevail? I don't think it is.
Moreover, past that point I think the Warriors have more positional talent. Biedrins is markedly better than either Diop or Dampier. Ellis and Harrington didn't perform well, but it wasn'ta huge issue because the Mavs bench lacks the kind of players who can have gamechanging impact thwne the starters are being outdueled. Jerry Stackhouse was and is good, but we got similar sixth man play out of Matt Barnes.
My point is, I don't feel like their individual players had a distinct talent edge over ours. Now granted, individual matchups don't reflect the team play as a whole, but the composure and poise of a team certainly does. Even as the Warriors were derided for being too explosive and lacking discipline, they recognized an emotional level that propelled them to success, while Dallas' efforts to appear relaxed and in control read as helplessness when they were being blown away in Oakland.
So, my feeling is that since the Mavericks don't have a discernable talent advantage in my eyes, and they failed to cope with an adverse playing environment and sort of crumbled into themselves, that should be enough to concede that the Warriors were in fact not simply hot, but indeed were the better team in that series.
The media has almost universally accepted this notion that the Warriors should somehow be given less credit because they were a bad matchup for Dallas. Fair enough. But why does Dallas keep winning? Did they really deserve their 67 wins based on the strength of last year's team? I say no. I suggest the reason they win so many games is because they have a player in Dirk Nowitzki who is a bad matchup for almost every team in the league, and because they've absorbed enough of that winning atmosphere to force teams to psychologically wilt against them. The nature of their collapse last year was so disasterous that I suspect any team that faces them in the playoffs will now feel they have a free shot at them, which is why I feel pretty confident in predicting this Mavs squad won't win it all.
In response...
The 90's Mavs used to be the Dubs in the sense that at one point in time, they were considered talented but not elite. When we think of Nash and Nowitzki now...we think MVP. Before, we thought 2 decent players with really bad hair!! Then they beat San Antonio, Phoenix, Utah, and Los Angeles and other teams (who at the time) were the best in the league. They became elite when they began to challenge San Antonio, the reigning champions, then they beat them in 7 games (along with Phoenix) to win the Western Conference. The "Elite Stamp" was officially awarded.
Can the Dubs big 3 beat the Mavs big 3...sure...on any given day...either can beat the other. But can the Dubs team consistently beat the Mavs team? Or better yet, can the Dubs consistently beat anyone else who is deemed an elite team? If not, you don't get the "Elite Stamp" and that series win will always look like (maybe unfairly) a freak accident.
And I like Matt Barnes...he's a great player with a big heart and talent. But the Mavs have Terry AND Stackhouse! The Dubs have Biedrins but the Mavs have Diop AND Dampier. Two heads are usually better than one. That's the difference at this point between the two teams. The Mavs do have key bench players that can step up (J.J. Barea, Devean George, Juwan Howard, J. Terry, and J. Stackhouse)
At the end of the day, Diop and Dampier together are better than Biedrins...Terry and Stackhouse together vs. one Matt Barnes...I'll take the two players ANY DAY!!!
As far as the 67 wins...they deserve them...because they won them. They beat Detroit, Cleveland, San Antonio (3 of 4 times...they went on to win it all), and Phoenix...in fact, any good team last year they beat...with the exception of one team...Golden State. I feel your sentiment about this fact, but you can't take away what the Mavs did last year. If so, one could say, "The Dubs didn't DESERVE to beat the Mavs because they only had a good second half of the season, and the Mavs had a great full season and the Mavs beat more teams!!" How dumb does that sound? No one can take away that upset and no one can take away those 67 wins!!
Dirk is a bad matchup for many teams, just like the Dubs are a bad matchup for the Mavs. Fair is fair! That's the point in it all, that's why he's so good...it's not really his fault he's 7'0" tall and can shoot threes and dunk the ball!! Can we really take away wins from 11 other guys because their star player is an anomaly?!
Finally, if other teams go into the playoffs thinking, "we've got this win!!"...well, that's when the Mavs will win it all. The last thing you should do against ANY team is think, "we've got this win!!" Only time will tell what the Mavs have learned...I sure hope this offseason they invested in a Sports Psychologist!!!
I may have to disagree
For example, Damp lacks the quickness to guard Biedrins. Dallas loses that matchup. Diop is an offensive liability. Dallas loses that matchup. In either case, the center position is won by the dubs. You can't even say that dallas "two-headed monster" has the option of wearing beans down, since his motor is one of his strong suits.
The only instance in the NBA where having 2 lesser players is better than having 1 superior player is in the regular season, where injuries are more of a factor.
And we all know how completely vital it is to be dominant in the regular season.
THIS IS OOOAKLAND!!!
by Tim N Chris Burger on Nov 12, 2007 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Well...
- Can you block? Yes.
- Can you dunk? Yes.
- Can you make layups? Yes.
- Can you make free throws? More yes, than no!
That's all the Mavs need, they don't need a Yao Ming or Shaquille O'Neal. Also, when one guy comes out, the other can go in...for Biedrins, who replaces him? He has to come out at some point (let's hope he never fouls out), and if you put someone in who is awful, you lose production and the game! That's really all I mean, 2 decent players are better than 1 kind-of good player (in a single position), especially if your other 4 players are all-stars and MVPs.
Also, let's be honest Biedrins is not as dominant as others in his position are. He's only scoring 10 points per game while Diop is scoring 6 points per game (playing almost 10 fewer minutes).
When Damp comes back, he scores 8 points per game (for his career). So adding those together is greater than the 10 points that Biedrins scores. Outside of that, the 3 players have similar numbers in all other categories that matter for centers.
The Mavs problems won't be in that position, it'll be in how they can keep going throughout the year...will they have a good "motor" as you put it. Meanwhile, it seems that GS problems are they (at this time) have no depth. In your best interest, it would seem that you would want 2 players over 1 with no sub.
I was actually using Beidrins as an example
You can't just add per game numbers of two seperate players to match up against the one. They ARE never on the floor at the same time. You have to consider minutes played in that particular game. You'd do the situation more justice by avg. the production out. That is, comparing beans numbers 9pts/9rbs against the avg mean of Diop, Damp which, using UR #'s, is like 7/7. That is a more REALISTIC representation of that matchup.
Also, when a team has two players playing essentially the same role with comparable attributes, It may effect the quality of position as a whole. If Damp is having a crappy game and diop is solid, Every minute damp plays hurts the mavs two fold, since he is a neg impact and he's keeping the diop's more pos impact off the floor.
THIS IS OOOAKLAND!!!
by Tim N Chris Burger on Nov 13, 2007 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
True...
I agree with you, sort of. The thing is that the two players aren't ever together (you're right about that...and that's my point), that means that while one is in and (hopefully) producing, the other is at rest. Then the other comes in (and hopefully) produces. I've seen Damp score 22 points for the Mavs, and Diop has scored 12...so they can both be productive outside of blocks and rebounds. Therefore, there is never a gap of production on the floor at that position.
It's like this, if Kobe Bryant was the sub for Tracy McGrady...you would consisently have a scorer on the floor. Bad analogy, but, it's like having a drink in one hand and another drink in the other...every swig gets you a little more drunk!!! Right now, GS has a drink in one hand and water in the other...so every swig of the water is adverse to production.
If "Beans" leaves the game, that's all she wrote. There is not another production player at that position. That's all I'm saying really. I'm not really talking about a match up b/w "Beans" and the Mavs centers. I'm just saying that if Diop gets us 9 points and Damp gets us 8 points and Beans gets you 9 points...we just scored 8 more points at the center position then you guys.
I would love to see the team when all the players get back, that's when we can really discuss positions and who is a better two-headed monster.
Look, I know in the GRAND SCHEME of things,
That's why teams that challenge for the NBA championships always look to have 2 or more superstars.
Sometimes having too many roster options hurt the team. And THAT, my friend may be a big reason why the MAVs don't have any NBA championship banners at the American center.
THIS IS OOOAKLAND!!!
by Tim N Chris Burger on Nov 13, 2007 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Well...
I guess we'll have to see what the depth can get us in the playoffs and what the GS lack of depth gets them. Both teams went through a makeover and, so, when some of your players come back, it'll be a more fair discussion.
agree
but it's hard to expect this from a young team -for young team is stuff called killer instinct -> smell the blood and destroy
in games with Utah last playoffs only one team was killed and just once and that was Utah @ Oakland in other games teams were pretty close
kill the confidence with toughness
As a fan, I've seen worse
by Lat We N Trash on Nov 11, 2007 12:14 AM PST reply actions
I miss J-Rich
except
No one knows the future, but we can make some decent guesses: Azubuike will surprise the haters, the TPE will probably be used to grab something at the deadline, and Wright should be a viable rotation player in a year or two.
Then there's fact: Richardson's contract and age are both gonna increase in the next few years; his game is unlikely to improve any further.
So yeah, I'm not a psychic, but I'd like to consider myself and others capable of logical analysis, which supports the position that the Jrich trade won't hurt us in the least.
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Nov 11, 2007 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not gonna
but you have to realize that it was the absolute BEST move for both JR and the Dubs. JR's getting his chance to shine and learn from the GOAT - MJ - in a subtle, rub-off kind of way; whether he can live up to those lofty expectations is basically in his hands.
BWright may or may not pan out; he's skinny as a toothpick but he does have game. It may not be instant gratification but if/when he does blossom? He'll be a nice addition plus we'll have greater flexibility free from JR's financial load. So the trade isn't JR for Wright straight-up necessarily; it's JR for flexibility. With JR? our hands are chained.
Meanwhile, the Dubs have an absolute BEAST in newcomer Azubuike. I mean the kid just reeks of potential, maybe even a register of possible Elite-ness, at a fraction of JR's cost; and with our greater flexibility, we can make serious changes in the near future ala Boston this season.
JR has perhaps hit his ceiling, the peak and prime of his game; a ceiling which Azubuike is already flirting with and is ready to bust right past as he earns more and more recognition and respect in the league.
I don't know if I'm over-blowing what I see in the kid just trying to find the light in an otherwise blaaaah season so far, but Azubuike is the future of this team, imho.
Although I'm hesitant to think it since the last guy I got giddy over now plays for the Wizards :{
"Hey, i'm a warrior fan so i'm naturally pessimistic." - Kenntoe
by Anomaly on Nov 11, 2007 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
fortunately
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by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Nov 11, 2007 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
That's even
btw, i meant Jamison.
j/k ;)
"Hey, i'm a warrior fan so i'm naturally pessimistic." - Kenntoe
by Anomaly on Nov 11, 2007 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Jamison
Dale Davis got us Baron Davis.
I don't really miss Jamison at all, he's Harrington without the defense.
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by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Nov 11, 2007 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
i really was kidding
the way you broke it down though, i can't thank them enough!
now... where'd my webpin disappear to...
"Hey, i'm a warrior fan so i'm naturally pessimistic." - Kenntoe
by Anomaly on Nov 11, 2007 2:45 PM PST reply actions
Jamison
Now, he's also pretty productive so he won't be a "Dale Davis" level filler...but Washington is in an interesting position. Arenas already said he's gonna opt out, and will be asking for a massive raise. Washington is up against the luxury tax this year already, so paying Arenas offsets most of the savings from Jamison's departure. They've also said, however, they want to retain Jamison.
Personally, I think that's a pretty dumb idea, since it's clear to me they've peaked with the crew they got. They need a massive defensive upgrade, and they really should use the one they have on the bench: Andray Blatche. Thomas was a decent center, but Haywood, according to the Wizards blogger, is the superior defender. Running Blatche and Haywood together at the 4/5 will give them a far superior defense in the paint than Jamison could ever give them (he's not a shotblocker at all). Combine those two with Dominic McGuire off the bench and you might have a n actual frontcourt on the Wizards.
What's all this mean? I dunno, since it's way too early to say. But if Washington bombs this year, Jamison is a pretty interest piece (and to alot of teams, not the Warriors in particular).
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by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Nov 11, 2007 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
hmm if they're interested in
personally I'd prefer neither back in a Dubs uniform at this point; Arenas is very good but may have a little too much Starburyitis in him to ever be able to win the big prize since he's constantly taking it upon himself to do it. I might actually give Deron Williams a sooner crack at a title shot before Arenas because D-Will seems to be more a J-Kiddish team playmaker and not out to light you up solo on any given night
then again? Gilbert loves to prove naysayers wrong
"Hey, i'm a warrior fan so i'm naturally pessimistic." - Kenntoe
by Anomaly on Nov 11, 2007 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
well kenny smith just wrote
The Warriors are not who they appear to be right now. As the season progresses, this team will continually improve and make a push toward the playoffs. When healthy, they have mismatches at every position except center. And despite the slow start, Baron Davis is still playing at last season's playoff level. "
by twelve years on Nov 12, 2007 3:46 PM PST reply actions

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