Notes on Anti-Clutchness, and the Difference Between Richardson and Azubuike
So, you like Azubuike, eh? The exact same as JRich? The 3s, the athletic dunks, the passion....they're all there! So, what, exactly, is the difference between the two?
JRich would've severely helped us out in the clutch tonight.
Azubuike still hasn't found that ability, and he plays almost as bad as Monta. We can;t rely on only one clutch guy (Baron) if we want to win games.
What most people don't realize is that we've had very few blowouts. We always make it close, and clutch players last year really helped us out of the hole. I mean, if you want me to be honest, I think the old Montgomery team had more clutchness than we do right now. (I know I made a comment in the game thread contrary to this above, but I was meaning that we are a decent 3rd Qtr team, whereas the Montgomery era team was TERRIBLE in the third.)
So, someone needs to step up. And most people think that person will be Stephen Jackson.
Well, I do agree that he's more of a clutch player than we have in our lineup right now, but the man is by no means Jason Richardson or Baron-esque. He can put in what he needs, but he'll never have that "big shot" ability that Baron and JRich have to put it in when it really matters with less than 2 minutes to go in the 4th.
Now don't go telling me that this gradual losing of our lead was stoppable. The Pistons are the most experienced team in the NBA, they've played with each other for a long time, and Sheed was simply in FIYAH. The best you can do is try to slow it down as much as you can.
And don't go telling me about freethrows either. The Warriors WILL miss their freethrows. It's a fact of life. The Warriors hitting their freethrows are about as likely as Jim Barnett not telling you to go for the 2 for 1 or feed the hot hand. Jrich missed his freethrows, too. So, NEVER AGAIN shall anyone say that FreeThrows are a factor. If they go in, it's a miracle. I'll be happy with 5%. Anything else is a bonus. Just count them as lost points, and anything else is a bonus. That's how I look at it.
So, in closing, if Stephen Jackson can't some in and step it up to be the "2nd Clutch Man" to Baron (assuming noone else steps up) I predict we will get 25 wins.
So, how do we solve this problem?
Trade for Adonal Foyle. The dude is getting very inconsistent minutes from Coach Stan Van Gundy. Pat garrity is playing out of his mind, and Adonal has a very little role on the team, especially when Tony Battie comes back.
So, Adonal looks to step into our team and average around 292 points. During a game against Houston last year, in less than a minute, he had 4 points. Assuming he can keep this production up throughout the season, he will help us easily soar past opponents.
Defense? For the 4 minutes he was in against the Cavaliers tonight, Zyundras Ilgauskas didn't score a lick. Assuming he can keep up this production, opposing Centers will average no stats.
Accuracy? In his 10 year career, he has a 100% FG percentage for all of the NBA Playoffs.
Lastly: Athleticism?
Dude's got legs.
So, why not pick up a Hall of Fame center who should be extremely easy to trade for?
There is no confusion, Adonal Foyle is the solution.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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ugh
I dont know why Nellie ran him all 48 minutes, give the kid a rest. Maybe it was me, but he didn't seem to be moving super smoothly, was that high ankle sprain or whatever still bugging him?
Baron playing 45 minutes is directly related to Monta Ellis' inability to be a backup PG (zero assists, generally no creating shots for others). Ultimately, that will hold the team back: running Baron into the ground and flailing when he's out. It's the worst of both worlds.
24 > 23
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by OptionZero on Nov 14, 2007 10:39 PM PST 0 recs
As said below....
I didn't even mention Barons minutes. It is possible that I'm wrong, and that if we had some relief for Baron, we'd be worlds ahead. Still, I thought Baron gave it his all, and that even if we did get some rest for him, he couldn't do it alone.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 10:49 PM PST
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I disagree...
by Zack Vank on Nov 14, 2007 10:39 PM PST 0 recs
Yeah, I might've been too hard on Azubuike
As far as Richardson's bad ball handling late....I mgiht've just not seen what you did.I never really saw him losing the ball a lot or anything. Oh well, it's too late now....
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 10:44 PM PST
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Nope.

The season's started, so I went back to Albert.
by coma on Nov 14, 2007 10:43 PM PST 0 recs
Tell me that
I say that in itself is worth 9.3 mil.
Oh well, I don't think I can do much to make you agree, so I'll just hang my hat on that.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 10:46 PM PST
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eh?
And yes, J-Rich has had turnover problems, it all stems from his poor ball handling ability. Entering tonight, I believe he was averaging 3 TO's per game, which is pretty bad for a non-point guard that basically camps at the 3p line to get his offense.
24 > 23
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by OptionZero on
Nov 14, 2007 10:50 PM PST
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I'll admit
And yes, he may have had turnover problems, but was this during late game? Not from what I remember. He was mostly shooting and draining 3s while having Baron distribute it to him, driving was less of a priority. (I'm talking about inside 2 minutes to go in the 3rd.) He probobly had a bunch of turnovers during the game, but I never (and maybe I'm wrong) saw or heard of JRich driving in crunch time, losing the ball and then everyone pointing to that as the point we lost the game. It just didn't happen. (That's Pietruses Job.)
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 11:00 PM PST
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yeah.
If you take what J-Rich has done this season, and take away what Azubuike has done, we're still 0-6. Not to mention we get spanked worse than we did before. So I don't really get this whole J-Rich would be better here for us.
Azubuike has been outperforming him pretty drastically. There's no reason for you or anyone else to believe things would be different otherwise, except for what he's done in the past.
Honestly, J-Rich is on the decline. You think he's going to be as great as he was when we had him for Charlotte? There was no reason not to trade him at the height of his worth. And for a lottery pick. Seriously.
You can cry all you want about how we're 0-6 but J-Rich doesn't fix that whether you like it or not. It's not Azubuike's fault we're losing. You can't hang the losses on anybody, that's a team going out there and getting spanked. Together.
Honestly, I'll take a 2nd year guy over a 7th year guy any day. ESPECIALLY if they are putting up similar numbers, that's just icing.
In summation, no. You aren't going to convince me.

The season's started, so I went back to Albert.
by coma on
Nov 14, 2007 11:07 PM PST
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I apologise
As for your 2nd,7th year comment, youth is not nessessarily better than experience, and numbers don't tell all. But thats entirely off the point, so I won't get into it.
Who knows? Brandan Wright could become the next KG, JRich will sink into mediocrity, Azubuike could start being cltuch, and I'll be the laughingstock. All I'm saying is: If someone else doesn't step up, get ready for a long season.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 11:17 PM PST
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yuergh
I'm probably in the minority in thinking that it was a great move to dump him just for our future. I don't think J-Rich was the future, and I don't anyone else really did either. He was a fan favorite, for sure. He's gone now.
We have someone who could embody all that J-Rich was (in time) for substantially less money, and everyone's complaining like we traded a proverbial all-star in the league. We really didn't. His production has been replaced by several players on the team, and the team will probably continue to do so. I don't really think you can judge this team until it's whole. So just sit back and take these 7 losses.

The season's started, so I went back to Albert.
by coma on
Nov 14, 2007 11:24 PM PST
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Yes, he did have a hard time fitting into
All I can say is that I agree with most of what you said. Good analysis.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 11:32 PM PST
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wtf?
by gsw4life on
Nov 15, 2007 9:16 AM PST
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True, but
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by Zorgon on
Nov 15, 2007 4:23 PM PST
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i also disagree
by GSwarrior on Nov 14, 2007 10:45 PM PST 0 recs
You also bring up a good point
Reguardless, it's obvious that no matter how good he'll become down the road, I'm pretty sure that he won't "emerge" into a JRich this year. So, we are still left looking for that "second clutch guy" for the time being, which was the point of my article.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 10:54 PM PST
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the second guy
when Jack comes back, we'll have the second "initiator".
At the deadline we'll need to trade for a true backup PG, and then we're good to go.
It's the little things that need to be fixed.
24 > 23
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by OptionZero on
Nov 14, 2007 10:56 PM PST
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All will come in time....
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 11:08 PM PST
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wow
The J-RICH show is on his way out...=(
by dajrichshow on Nov 14, 2007 10:55 PM PST 0 recs
Me too, but I like it better.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 11:07 PM PST
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I think you make a pretty good point
there might be something more than numbers, an intangible thing, missing with this team beyond JAX MIA
Buke is young so I am not critical of him
by Zig on Nov 14, 2007 10:55 PM PST 0 recs
Intangibles on a Warrior Team?
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 11:07 PM PST
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Dude, get over it...
by Epicurious Cowboy on Nov 14, 2007 10:58 PM PST 0 recs
Points
B) The first half of the diary was completely serious basketball analysis. My big trademark here has been to mix in my own personal brand of humour with my serious opinions. If you still don't like it, simply ignore my diaries.
C) I do blog on Adonal: adonalobsessed.blogspot.com
I keep most of my strictly Adonal comments there. But I managed to combine my Adonal analysis with serious Warrior analysis (that would've worked as a diary on it's own) so consider it bonus.
D) I do visit a Magic Blog frequently and comment on it. www.thirdquartercollapse.com
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 11:06 PM PST
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Dude
by WarriorForLife on
Nov 14, 2007 11:06 PM PST
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Correctomundo
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 11:40 PM PST
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Who cares about our 2nd man???
I'm so glad Mullin doesn't have this bunch of losers signed to long-term contracts. These guys have no heart and no balls. They are an embarrassment to the Bay.
I wonder who will representing our Warriors during the Lottery ping pong ball session. This team is absolutely disgusting!
by Nick D on Nov 14, 2007 11:13 PM PST 0 recs
Excuse me?
In all seriousness, there's no questioning Barons clutch greatness. He's top 10-15 in the NBA, and if you're gonna say "we need better", than I don't know what to tell you, man. Sure, he has off games, but it might just be because he's getting no help and has to do it all himself.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 11:21 PM PST
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Whew
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by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 11:23 PM PST 0 recs
AMEN
As a fan, I M killed. dead.. and give me back my bottle...
by Lat We N Trash on Nov 14, 2007 11:39 PM PST 0 recs
HILARIOUS!!!!
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by Zorgon on
Nov 14, 2007 11:41 PM PST
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The future is NOW...
Last year I would have wanted this person to take the final shot in this order: Baron, J-Rich, Jack, Barnes, then Al.
by onetwocross on
Nov 15, 2007 12:05 AM PST
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Don't use
And as for the rest, it is too early, but all projections for Azubuike are in the plus range. I mean, it was clear Monta had holes in his game, but this guy....he could be so much more.
And I agree on NOW, not later. I've had 13 years of later.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 15, 2007 4:26 PM PST
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good god

Let's Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.
by OaktownFunk on Nov 14, 2007 11:57 PM PST 0 recs
Yeah, it's becoming like
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by Zorgon on
Nov 15, 2007 4:26 PM PST
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finally
anyways keep up the analysis and props to zorgon for stimulating some actual basketball discussion..
by NinerWarrior on Nov 15, 2007 12:09 AM PST 0 recs
It's not over!
Anyway, thanks dude.
I'll respond to all other comments wither tomorrow morning or afternoon. It's way past sleepy time.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 15, 2007 12:28 AM PST
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with
I don't see how that's clutch.
In fact i'd rather win 25 games then 34, seeing as how 25 wins sucks, but 34 gets you absolutely nowhere.
by kenntoe on Nov 15, 2007 12:11 AM PST 0 recs
Ummmmm....no.
Were you around in 2005-2006? When he basically carried the team through games, while Dunleavy, Murphy, and even Davis were laying up bricks (getting blocked and missing free throws in Barons case) and walking? If JRich wasn't there, we would've had 23 or so wins. And if the rest of the team had some heart (or played like they're playing on other teams now: I'm looking at you Dunleavy, Murphy, Fisher, Diogu) we ould've been a mid-low seed in the West playoffs, as most predicted.
As far as winning 25 instead of 34....sure, you get a draft pick, but when you keep drafting Todd Fuller, it doesn't.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 15, 2007 4:32 PM PST
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I agree with him
Todd Fuller was a #11 pick. We should have picked Kobe, obviously, but then so should the other 13 teams that passed on him. (And he probably wouldn't have played for us even if we had picked him). Generally, #8-12 picks are not NBA stars. The #1 and 2 picks that year were Iverson and Camby.
The #1 pick the following year was Tim Duncan. We picked #8 and got ... Adonal Foyle. Remember him? ;-)
Last year was a bit different since we finally made the playoffs (thanks to a total choke-job by LAC vs. Sac), but if we had won 23 games last year we'd likely have Oden, Durant, Horford or Yi instead of Marco Belinelli.
A year of hell >>>>>>>>>>>> perpetual purgatory.
by Sleepy Freud on
Nov 15, 2007 4:57 PM PST
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Darn it!
Reguardless, It's pretty rare that a team can come out of a 25 win hole to randomly get to the playoffs, its usually a purgatory team. Okay, okay, you can point to the Celtics, but they're lucky.
Okay, there I am, throwing out no statistics. But it's too early in the morning to go find them.
Oh, whatever. Just ignore me. >:-(
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by Zorgon on
Nov 16, 2007 4:39 AM PST
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Oh, keep in mind my insults
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by Zorgon on
Nov 16, 2007 4:40 AM PST
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The insults against you
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by Zorgon on
Nov 16, 2007 4:40 AM PST
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JRich
by kenntoe on
Nov 15, 2007 9:48 PM PST
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No, he can't
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by Zorgon on
Nov 16, 2007 4:44 AM PST
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It's...
by Zack Vank on Nov 15, 2007 12:44 AM PST 0 recs
He'd always hit 3s in the clutch.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 15, 2007 4:35 PM PST
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And sometimes he'd miss them.
"JRich is clutch because I say he is" is, in fact, the essence of "talking out your a**." (TM)
by Sleepy Freud on
Nov 15, 2007 4:43 PM PST
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He'd never miss.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 16, 2007 12:01 PM PST
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"Clutchness"
The same idea goes for our defense too. In the first half our defense was active, deflecting balls left and right, getting on the fast break, bothering Rasheed Wallace constantly, trapping, etc. If we want to maintain that kind of defensive pressure we MUST go to our bench more. It's not like our team fell apart with POB and Wright in the game, our team fell apart when the fatigues players on the court stopped applying pressure on the defensive end.
by jlagace on Nov 15, 2007 1:04 AM PST 0 recs
fatigue leads to injuries too.
by kenntoe on
Nov 15, 2007 1:07 AM PST
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Good point
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by Zorgon on
Nov 15, 2007 4:36 PM PST
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yea
by kenntoe on
Nov 15, 2007 9:51 PM PST
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The future is ours
This franchise is notorious for waiting for players to develop their skills on this team so that we can ship them out to other teams when their paychecks get fat. That way, the other teams will be the fools for paying top dollar for our experienced vets. In a few years, Biedrins and Ellis will be experienced enough and their paychecks will be just fat enough to trade away for more rookies with potential! Yay!
Oh yeah, and cap flexibility... can't forget about that. So far we've been just flexible enough to be bent over by each and every opponent this season. As soon as we have enough cap flexibility, we can sign a big time free agent to come and play with someone like Brandan Wright. Oh wait... if Brandan's too good by then and wanting more $$$ it may be time to ship him out too.
Oh well... as long as we can keep the viscious cycle going i guess.
I pray i never have to use a gun again.
by ssmokinjoe on Nov 15, 2007 2:53 AM PST 0 recs
Me too
I pray i never have to use a gun again.
by ssmokinjoe on
Nov 15, 2007 5:02 AM PST
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Viscous Cycle for the win!!!!
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by Zorgon on
Nov 15, 2007 4:38 PM PST
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It's all about the defense
This team is really bad right now. REALLY bad. The record accurately reflects that they only play half the game. They are adequate on offense (yes, including the stupid 3 point misses and lousy FT%--their efficiency in converting possessions into points is adequate). But it's difficult to win when the other team scores at will.
by jae on Nov 15, 2007 12:10 PM PST 0 recs
Have'nt we always played this poorly?
In any case, it remains a fact that we (barring the Jazz, one of our Anti-Drugs) have always lost the game DOWN THE STRETCH. As in, last minutes of the 4th. Maybe our defense during that time and the game is a problem, but I still think one more "clutch" player would help us greatly.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 15, 2007 4:46 PM PST
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ahahah
and
last year we had j-rich
Do the math
Funny how those that bitch about how J-Rich would have changed everything ignore the conscpicuous absence of Stephen Jackson.
Neither player is here, yet somehow one of them would mean victory while they other would do nothing.
Also, Richardson "always" makes them when we "need" them. How bogus is that? Its so much easier to throw out absolutes in the place of actual analysis.
We'd have 20 wins right now if Richardson hadn't been traded!
No.
24 > 23
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by OptionZero on
Nov 15, 2007 5:24 PM PST
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Dude
I know you want statistics, but I can't do that right now. Later today I'll vs. them against each other and do it in a well thought out diary.
Until then, I'll leave you hanging.
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by Zorgon on
Nov 16, 2007 4:47 AM PST
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clutchness
24 > 23
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