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Notes on Anti-Clutchness, and the Difference Between Richardson and Azubuike

So, you like Azubuike, eh? The exact same as JRich? The 3s, the athletic dunks, the passion....they're all there! So, what, exactly, is the difference between the two?

JRich would've severely helped us out in the clutch tonight.

Azubuike still hasn't found that ability, and he plays almost as bad as Monta. We can;t rely on only one clutch guy (Baron) if we want to win games.

What most people don't realize is that we've had very few blowouts. We always make it close, and clutch players last year really helped us out of the hole. I mean, if you want me to be honest, I think the old Montgomery team had more clutchness than we do right now. (I know I made a comment in the game thread contrary to this above, but I was meaning that we are a decent 3rd Qtr team, whereas the Montgomery era team was TERRIBLE in the third.)

So, someone needs to step up. And most people think that person will be Stephen Jackson.

Well, I do agree that he's more of a clutch player than we have in our lineup right now, but the man is by no means Jason Richardson or Baron-esque. He can put in what he needs, but he'll never have that "big shot" ability that Baron and JRich have to put it in when it really matters with less than 2 minutes to go in the 4th.

Now don't go telling me that this gradual losing of our lead was stoppable. The Pistons are the most experienced team in the NBA, they've played with each other for a long time, and Sheed was simply in FIYAH. The best you can do is try to slow it down as much as you can.

And don't go telling me about freethrows either. The Warriors WILL miss their freethrows. It's a fact of life. The Warriors hitting their freethrows are about as likely as Jim Barnett not telling you to go for the 2 for 1 or feed the hot hand. Jrich missed his freethrows, too. So, NEVER AGAIN shall anyone say that FreeThrows are a factor. If they go in, it's a miracle. I'll be happy with 5%. Anything else is a bonus. Just count them as lost points, and anything else is a bonus. That's how I look at it.

So, in closing, if Stephen Jackson can't some in and step it up to be the "2nd Clutch Man" to Baron (assuming noone else steps up) I predict we will get 25 wins.

So, how do we solve this problem?

Trade for Adonal Foyle. The dude is getting very inconsistent minutes from Coach Stan Van Gundy. Pat garrity is playing out of his mind, and Adonal has a very little role on the team, especially when Tony Battie comes back.

So, Adonal looks to step into our team and average around 292 points. During a game against Houston last year, in less than a minute, he had 4 points. Assuming he can keep this production up throughout the season, he will help us easily soar past opponents.

Defense? For the 4 minutes he was in against the Cavaliers tonight, Zyundras Ilgauskas didn't score a lick. Assuming he can keep up this production, opposing Centers will average no stats.

Accuracy? In his 10 year career, he has a 100% FG percentage for all of the NBA Playoffs.

Lastly: Athleticism?
Dude's got legs.

So, why not pick up a Hall of Fame center who should be extremely easy to trade for?

There is no confusion, Adonal Foyle is the solution.

Poll
Who do you think will step up to be the "2nd Clutch Man" for the Warriors?
Stephen Jackson
42 votes
Kelenna Azubuike
3 votes
Matt Barnes
5 votes
Monta Ellis
8 votes
Al Harrington
13 votes
Marco Ballinelli
8 votes
Brandan Wright
1 votes
Patrick O'Bryant
4 votes
Mickael Pietrus
0 votes
Andris Biedrins
2 votes

86 votes | Poll has closed

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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ugh
Azubuike has one bad game from the field, Ellis has had...5. Let's not even compare the two.

I dont know why Nellie ran him all 48 minutes, give the kid a rest. Maybe it was me, but he didn't seem to be moving super smoothly, was that high ankle sprain or whatever still bugging him?

Baron playing 45 minutes is directly related to Monta Ellis' inability to be a backup PG (zero assists, generally no creating shots for others). Ultimately, that will hold the team back: running Baron into the ground and flailing when he's out. It's the worst of both worlds.

24 > 23

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Nov 14, 2007 10:39 PM PST   0 recs

As said below....
Yeah, I'm too hard on Azubuike, but you can't diasagree with the fact that he's no JRich late game.

I didn't even mention Barons minutes. It is possible that I'm wrong, and that if we had some relief for Baron, we'd be worlds ahead. Still, I thought Baron gave it his all, and that even if we did get some rest for him, he couldn't do it alone.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 10:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I disagree...
...about Richardson. He's had some good moments in the clutch in years gone by, but he's also a brutal ballhandler, and as many times as he may have kept us in games he fumbled us out of them. Also, I disagree about Monta vs. Kelenna, I'm much more comfortable with Azubuike late in the game than I am Monta. Monta's big problem, which becomes a fatal flaw late in a game, is that he almost never dishes it out following penetration. When he starts going to the basket, he's already decided he's going to shoot it.

by Zack Vank on Nov 14, 2007 10:39 PM PST   0 recs

Yeah, I might've been too hard on Azubuike
I mean, even if he doesn't contribute, he doesn't make stupid mistakes that absolutely KILL us like Monta does. Such as bad jumpshots and refusing to dish when he drives.

As far as Richardson's bad ball handling late....I mgiht've just not seen what you did.I never really saw him losing the ball a lot or anything. Oh well, it's too late now....

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 10:44 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Nope.
Sorry, pal. Clutch ain't worth 9.3 million dollars.

The season's started, so I went back to Albert.

by coma on Nov 14, 2007 10:43 PM PST   0 recs

Tell me that
when we have 25 wins. Face it, if we had JRich assisting Baron late-game, we would be 3-3.

I say that in itself is worth 9.3 mil.

Oh well, I don't think I can do much to make you agree, so I'll just hang my hat on that.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 10:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

eh?
Aside from "Zorgon says so", there's nothing to indicate J-Rich would have had any more impact on our late-game problems than Azubuike or Ellis.

And yes, J-Rich has had turnover problems, it all stems from his poor ball handling ability. Entering tonight, I believe he was averaging 3 TO's per game, which is pretty bad for a non-point guard that basically camps at the 3p line to get his offense.

24 > 23

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Nov 14, 2007 10:50 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'll admit
that this diary is highly speculative. I'm not a big statistics guy like you, OZ, so a lot of my stuff is more in the "what if" range. I can't really put it to you any other way.

And yes, he may have had turnover problems, but was this during late game? Not from what I remember. He was mostly shooting and draining 3s while having Baron distribute it to him, driving was less of a priority. (I'm talking about inside 2 minutes to go in the 3rd.) He probobly had a bunch of turnovers during the game, but I never (and maybe I'm wrong) saw or heard of JRich driving in crunch time, losing the ball and then everyone pointing to that as the point we lost the game. It just didn't happen. (That's Pietruses Job.)

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 11:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

yeah.
3 wins are worth 9.3 million dollars?

If you take what J-Rich has done this season, and take away what Azubuike has done, we're still 0-6. Not to mention we get spanked worse than we did before. So I don't really get this whole J-Rich would be better here for us.

Azubuike has been outperforming him pretty drastically. There's no reason for you or anyone else to believe things would be different otherwise, except for what he's done in the past.

Honestly, J-Rich is on the decline. You think he's going to be as great as he was when we had him for Charlotte? There was no reason not to trade him at the height of his worth. And for a lottery pick. Seriously.

You can cry all you want about how we're 0-6 but J-Rich doesn't fix that whether you like it or not. It's not Azubuike's fault we're losing. You can't hang the losses on anybody, that's a team going out there and getting spanked. Together.

Honestly, I'll take a 2nd year guy over a 7th year guy any day. ESPECIALLY if they are putting up similar numbers, that's just icing.

In summation, no. You aren't going to convince me.


The season's started, so I went back to Albert.

by coma on Nov 14, 2007 11:07 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I apologise
if it looked liked I hung the responsibility on Azubuike. No, I don't expect him to be JRich. But I was simply attempting to point out the difference between them, since they are compared so much around these parts.

As for your 2nd,7th year comment, youth is not nessessarily better than experience, and numbers don't tell all. But thats entirely off the point, so I won't get into it.

Who knows? Brandan Wright could become the next KG, JRich will sink into mediocrity, Azubuike could start being cltuch, and I'll be the laughingstock. All I'm saying is: If someone else doesn't step up, get ready for a long season.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 11:17 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

yuergh
No, you're right, youth isn't always better with experience, but you have to let the youth get experience. He was signed off of the D-League in the middle of last season. He is starting for the first time in his career. If you ask me, he's doin DAMN good. You guys keep trying to find the PERFECT replacement for J-Rich. There isn't one. There's no way anyone will know how the trade works until Wright pans out.

I'm probably in the minority in thinking that it was a great move to dump him just for our future. I don't think J-Rich was the future, and I don't anyone else really did either. He was a fan favorite, for sure. He's gone now.

We have someone who could embody all that J-Rich was (in time) for substantially less money, and everyone's complaining like we traded a proverbial all-star in the league. We really didn't. His production has been replaced by several players on the team, and the team will probably continue to do so. I don't really think you can judge this team until it's whole. So just sit back and take these 7 losses.


The season's started, so I went back to Albert.

by coma on Nov 14, 2007 11:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yes, he did have a hard time fitting into
the system. I almost forgot.

All I can say is that I agree with most of what you said. Good analysis.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 11:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

wtf?
J Rich is on the decline? He's only 26.
It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Nov 15, 2007 9:16 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

True, but
his knee could have a career ending injury any day now.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 15, 2007 4:23 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

i also disagree
although many do compare azubuike to richardson, he is onloy in his Second year, coming from the D-league which jrich was expected being that go to guy getting drafted in the lottery. We shure do expect the same ability and stats from him to jrich, but im sure once he gets more experience i nthe NBA, leadership would probably show up from him which would create him tobe the go to guy. u cant expect him to already be clutch.

by GSwarrior on Nov 14, 2007 10:45 PM PST   0 recs

You also bring up a good point
It could be that Azubuike isn't developed, it could be that he is just being worked too hard (As mentioned by OptionZero above). I didn't get the privlidge of watching young JRich (I got League Pass in 2005), so I really don't know how he developed.

Reguardless, it's obvious that no matter how good he'll become down the road, I'm pretty sure that he won't "emerge" into a JRich this year. So, we are still left looking for that "second clutch guy" for the time being, which was the point of my article.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 10:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

the second guy
Could be Harrington, who's playing like a stud.

when Jack comes back, we'll have the second "initiator".

At the deadline we'll need to trade for a true backup PG, and then we're good to go.

It's the little things that need to be fixed.

24 > 23

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Nov 14, 2007 10:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

All will come in time....

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 11:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

wow
OZ change in webpin caught me offguard.
The J-RICH show is on his way out...=(

by dajrichshow on Nov 14, 2007 10:55 PM PST   0 recs

Me too, but I like it better.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 11:07 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

That picture
kicks ass...

by sadleavy on Nov 14, 2007 11:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think you make a pretty good point
and I was a fan of the trade and always hard on J-rich

there might be something more than numbers, an intangible thing, missing with this team beyond JAX MIA

Buke is young so I am not critical of him

by Zig on Nov 14, 2007 10:55 PM PST   0 recs

Intangibles on a Warrior Team?
Unfathomable.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 11:07 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Dude, get over it...
Adonal Foyle? Are you serious? Please tell me you're kidding. Your love of Foyle is one thing, but to think he's the solution to anyone's problems clearly shows your lack of basketball knowledge. There's a reason the guy couldn't get any playing time in Oakland. He's terrible. Please take your pro-Foyle diaries elsewhere as they're a total waste of space. The franchise has moved on. It's time you do the same. Maybe you could start blogging for the Magic...

by Epicurious Cowboy on Nov 14, 2007 10:58 PM PST   0 recs

Points
A) The last section of that diary, to quote Sleepy Freud, was, "Talking out of my a**." I thought it was funny, but if you don't, your solution is in point B.

B) The first half of the diary was completely serious basketball analysis. My big trademark here has been to mix in my own personal brand of humour with my serious opinions. If you still don't like it, simply ignore my diaries.

C) I do blog on Adonal: adonalobsessed.blogspot.com

I keep most of my strictly Adonal comments there. But I managed to combine my Adonal analysis with serious Warrior analysis (that would've worked as a diary on it's own) so consider it bonus.

D) I do visit a Magic Blog frequently and comment on it. www.thirdquartercollapse.com

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 11:06 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Dude
I think he was kidding about the Foyle part. Sure he's probably the biggest Foyle fan out there, but I think that last part was a joke.

by WarriorForLife on Nov 14, 2007 11:06 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Correctomundo

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 11:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Who cares about our 2nd man???
I'm assuming the first man is Baron.  Tonight is the first game where he hasn't shot the team out of it.  I was at the game vs the Clippers and he was TERRIBLE.  

I'm so glad Mullin doesn't have this bunch of losers signed to long-term contracts.  These guys have no heart and no balls.  They are an embarrassment to the Bay.  

I wonder who will representing our Warriors during the Lottery ping pong ball session.  This team is absolutely disgusting!

A true Warriors fan holdin' it down in Long Beach.

by Nick D on Nov 14, 2007 11:13 PM PST   0 recs

Excuse me?
Are you talking about the Warriors failing to meet expectations? That's ABSOLUTELY REDUCKULAS!!!! QUACK QUACK!!!!

In all seriousness, there's no questioning Barons clutch greatness. He's top 10-15 in the NBA, and if you're gonna say "we need better", than I don't know what to tell you, man. Sure, he has off games, but it might just be because he's getting no help and has to do it all himself.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 11:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Whew
Thanks for the comments, guys. Thats some of the first good basketball discusssion I've had in a loooong time.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 11:23 PM PST   0 recs

AMEN
As a fan, I M killed. dead.. and give me back my bottle...

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 14, 2007 11:39 PM PST   0 recs

HILARIOUS!!!!
Comedic Gold, and it describes our situation so perfectly....

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 14, 2007 11:41 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The future is NOW...
With a veteran lineup including J-Rich tonight, we never would have lost that game.  Rasheed showed what a veteran could do with timely baskets.  Losing J-Rich to the trade was huge for reasons you guys all mentioned here in the past (clutch, veteran, chemistry, fan-favorite, etc...), but you forget by having him here NOW would make our bench deeper.  Our bench is killing us right now.  Who do you trust coming off the bench?  At one point we had POB and Wright playing together.  The Warriors traditionally are injury plagued and it was a mistake to trade J-Rich, sign Pietrus, and hope Wright would do something this year when our chance to make something special happen is NOW, not later.  Everyone talks about J-Rich and how Kaz is statistically doing more.  Well, J-Rich has been doing this year after year (improving on specific weaknesses every single off-season) and it's too early to tell if Kaz will be as effective the second time around (there will be different ways to defend this guy if he continues his success).  And about "meshing," to defend J-Rich, he came back from a serious injury which limited his playing time with the team who was already making their playoff push (at this point J-Rich was deferring).  Bottom line is losing J-Rich made this team less deep even if we stay healthy all year long (which is a big "if") and Brandon Wright is a rookie who won't help us this year (I'm glad I saw his first free throw made and first bucket which was a put-back dunk tonight, though).

Last year I would have wanted this person to take the final shot in this order:  Baron, J-Rich, Jack, Barnes, then Al.  

by onetwocross on Nov 15, 2007 12:05 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Don't use
Wright and POB on the floor at the same time as an example of how shallow our bench is. They've both been playing very well in their own right.

And as for the rest, it is too early, but all projections for Azubuike are in the plus range. I mean, it was clear Monta had holes in his game, but this guy....he could be so much more.

And I agree on NOW, not later. I've had 13 years of later.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 15, 2007 4:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

good god
this losing is getting OLD...but, I honestly can't say I didn't see this coming when I looked at the schedule to start the season. I had 3-4 as BEST CASE with 2-5 being most probable. About 3rd quarter tonight I was thinking that 2-5 was in the cards. But nope. urrggh.

Let's Go Oakland! Gas, Brake, Dip.

by OaktownFunk on Nov 14, 2007 11:57 PM PST   0 recs

Yeah, it's becoming like
brushing my teeth.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 15, 2007 4:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

finally
a diary with analysis and good basketball discussion. sorry i missed it all and i wont jump in now (i have a midterm tommorrow)but just to let you know, a midterm tommorrow could not keep me from watching the dubs...

anyways keep up the analysis and props to zorgon for stimulating some actual basketball discussion..

by NinerWarrior on Nov 15, 2007 12:09 AM PST   0 recs

It's not over!
It's never over!

Anyway, thanks dude.

I'll respond to all other comments wither tomorrow morning or afternoon. It's way past sleepy time.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 15, 2007 12:28 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

with
JRich he got us what...34 wins per year on average?

I don't see how that's clutch.

In fact i'd rather win 25 games then 34, seeing as how 25 wins sucks, but 34 gets you absolutely nowhere.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 15, 2007 12:11 AM PST   0 recs

Ummmmm....no.
I think 95% of the site disagrees with you here. While whoever's in the minority isn't always wrong (I can attest to that) I must severely disagree with you.

Were you around in 2005-2006? When he basically carried the team through games, while Dunleavy, Murphy, and even Davis were laying up bricks (getting blocked and missing free throws in Barons case) and walking? If JRich wasn't there, we would've had 23 or so wins. And if the rest of the team had some heart (or played like they're playing on other teams now: I'm looking at you Dunleavy, Murphy, Fisher, Diogu) we ould've been a mid-low seed in the West playoffs, as most predicted.

As far as winning 25 instead of 34....sure, you get a draft pick, but when you keep drafting Todd Fuller, it doesn't.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 15, 2007 4:32 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I agree with him
23 wins is absolutely better than 34.

Todd Fuller was a #11 pick. We should have picked Kobe, obviously, but then so should the other 13 teams that passed on him. (And he probably wouldn't have played for us even if we had picked him). Generally, #8-12 picks are not NBA stars. The #1 and 2 picks that year were Iverson and Camby.

The #1 pick the following year was Tim Duncan. We picked #8 and got ... Adonal Foyle. Remember him? ;-)

Last year was a bit different since we finally made the playoffs (thanks to a total choke-job by LAC vs. Sac), but if we had won 23 games last year we'd likely have Oden, Durant, Horford or Yi instead of Marco Belinelli.

A year of hell >>>>>>>>>>>> perpetual purgatory.

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 15, 2007 4:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Darn it!
Why'd you'd have to come in here! Your arguments always beat mine. :-(

Reguardless, It's pretty rare that a team can come out of a 25 win hole to randomly get to the playoffs, its usually a purgatory team. Okay, okay, you can point to the Celtics, but they're lucky.

Okay, there I am, throwing out no statistics. But it's too early in the morning to go find them.

Oh, whatever. Just ignore me. >:-(

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 16, 2007 4:39 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Oh, keep in mind my insults
were in jest.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 16, 2007 4:40 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

The insults against you
not the Warriors, that is.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 16, 2007 4:40 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

JRich
never got the supporting cast to play with. Not even last year because he was hurt so damn often. His 05-06 stats were a direct result of being the 1st, 2nd and 3rd option on an otherwise pitiful team. He is hardly the first option on any playoff team, arguably even a second option on a good team. When i look back on Jrich's career, i think he'll remind me more of a Ricky Davis, Michael Finley type of near All-Star but solid sidekick. Jrich can't carry a playoff team on his back in a playoff run (Not just one game, but a series).
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 15, 2007 9:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

No, he can't
but he got HELP from Baron Davis. Now Baron Davis has no help. Thus, my point of: "Someone needs to step up."

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 16, 2007 4:44 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

It's...
...kind of tiresome having these discussion back and forth about Richardson. I'm fairly confident we'd be 0-5 with him here. The notion that he would or could have taken over and won us this game doesn't jive with me... the guy had no handle, never did, and Detroit's a brutal team to try to drive inside against anyhow.

by Zack Vank on Nov 15, 2007 12:44 AM PST   0 recs

He'd always hit 3s in the clutch.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 15, 2007 4:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

And sometimes he'd miss them.
Z, you need stop throwing out that term without adequately defining it or using any stats to back it up (fg% in the 4th, ft% in the 4th, game-winning shots, etc.)

"JRich is clutch because I say he is" is, in fact, the essence of "talking out your a**." (TM)

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 15, 2007 4:43 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

He'd never miss.
Ever. 100% FG%.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 16, 2007 12:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

"Clutchness"
Baron is our "clutch factor" guy, there's no question about that.  But when you ask the poor guy to play 40+ minutes every night on bad wheels, always having to initiate the offense, and play that frenetic defense we want to play, and run the fast break as much as possible.. well, there's just not much left in the tank or lift in his legs by the time the end of the game comes around.  Handling pressure situations and being clutch is one thing, but playing through excessive fatigue and injury day in and day out is another.

The same idea goes for our defense too.  In the first half our defense was active, deflecting balls left and right, getting on the fast break, bothering Rasheed Wallace constantly, trapping, etc.  If we want to maintain that kind of defensive pressure we MUST go to our bench more.  It's not like our team fell apart with POB and Wright in the game, our team fell apart when the fatigues players on the court stopped applying pressure on the defensive end.

by jlagace on Nov 15, 2007 1:04 AM PST   0 recs

fatigue leads to injuries too.
The more time Baron is out on the court, the more likely he is of getting injured and then phoot! There goes our season.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 15, 2007 1:07 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Good point
we DO need to put the bench in more, and that might be the key to the "stepping up" I was mentioning. Too bad Don Nelson hates rookies....

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 15, 2007 4:36 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

yea
i think he's the worst coach when it comes to rookies and i thought Monty was terrible.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 15, 2007 9:51 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The future is ours
You guys got it all wrong.  This front office is priming this team for the future.  If you expect them to win now then you haven't been paying attention.  They want this franchise to have a chance for the playoffs when yours and my kids become NBA fans... or maybe our grandkids.  I'm not really sure what their expected window is supposed to be, but it's in the future so be patient.

This franchise is notorious for waiting for players to develop their skills on this team so that we can ship them out to other teams when their paychecks get fat.  That way, the other teams will be the fools for paying top dollar for our experienced vets.  In a few years, Biedrins and Ellis will be experienced enough and their paychecks will be just fat enough to trade away for more rookies with potential!  Yay!

Oh yeah, and cap flexibility... can't forget about that.  So far we've been just flexible enough to be bent over by each and every opponent this season.  As soon as we have enough cap flexibility, we can sign a big time free agent to come and play with someone like Brandan Wright.  Oh wait... if Brandan's too good by then and wanting more $$$ it may be time to ship him out too.

Oh well... as long as we can keep the viscious cycle going i guess.

I pray i never have to use a gun again.

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 15, 2007 2:53 AM PST   0 recs

Me too
;)
I pray i never have to use a gun again.

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 15, 2007 5:02 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Viscous Cycle for the win!!!!

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 15, 2007 4:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

It's all about the defense
When a team is surrendering almost 120ppg and lets their opposition shoot more than 50% from the floor, it's tough to say that a "clutch" player would really have made much of an impact.  The team defense stinks. The team is ineffective grabbing the available rebounds, but the rebound differential wouldn't look nearly as bad if the opposition actually missed some shots.  Even poor rebounding teams like the Warriors grab most of the defensive rebound opportunities.  It's not possible to grab a defensive board on a made basket however.  

This team is really bad right now.  REALLY bad.  The record accurately reflects that they only play half the game.  They are adequate on offense (yes, including the stupid 3 point misses and lousy FT%--their efficiency in converting possessions into points is adequate).  But it's difficult to win when the other team scores at will.

by jae on Nov 15, 2007 12:10 PM PST   0 recs

Have'nt we always played this poorly?
I thought we had the EXACT same problems last year. Maybe I missed something.

In any case, it remains a fact that we (barring the Jazz, one of our Anti-Drugs) have always lost the game DOWN THE STRETCH. As in, last minutes of the 4th. Maybe our defense during that time and the game is a problem, but I still think one more "clutch" player would help us greatly.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 15, 2007 4:46 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

ahahah
we had these same problems last year

and

last year we had j-rich

Do the math

Funny how those that bitch about how J-Rich would have changed everything ignore the conscpicuous absence of Stephen Jackson.

Neither player is here, yet somehow one of them would mean victory while they other would do nothing.

Also, Richardson "always" makes them when we "need" them. How bogus is that? Its so much easier to throw out absolutes in the place of actual analysis.

We'd have 20 wins right now if Richardson hadn't been traded!

No.

24 > 23

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Nov 15, 2007 5:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Dude
Stephen Jacksons cltuchness....is nothing in the face of JRiches clutchness....

I know you want statistics, but I can't do that right now. Later today I'll vs. them against each other and do it in a well thought out diary.

Until then, I'll leave you hanging.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Nov 16, 2007 4:47 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

clutchness
does not exist. If you want to compare made-up characteristics between two players, then I'm sorry, I can't help.

24 > 23

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Nov 16, 2007 9:45 AM PST to parent up   0 recs