Mini-Diary: Whither POB?
Hey folks,
I am a long-distance dubs fan w/o cable or NBA audio, so I follow the games via GSOM and the ESPN Gamecast. Couldn't figure the answer to this question, though, from those various sources:
What happened to POB tonight? Why no PT?
As long as I am here, here's another question for the crew: how are we going to manage all the talent we have this year? We have Jax/Barnes/Pietrus with a lot of overlap in playing style, and we've got these kids that are going to have a hard time cracking the lineup (Wright/Bellinelli/Kosta), we've got POB, and then we've got our regulars (Biedrins, Davis, Ellis, Harrington). Are we on our way to some serious issues of discontentment? Or, can Nellie keep seven established players happy while still growing our youth movement?
All that said, I'm excited about our resurgence. Go dubs!
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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POB
Nellie said (sorry, forgot which article), that he'd prefer to go with the veteran early on, and this is just him carrying out that plan now that he can.
As for the larger question of managing talent...hard to say since injuries/absences always wreck ur plans, but it's gonna be more of the same.
Baron, Azubuike, Jack, Al, and Biedrins will start.
Ellis will be the first guard off the bench; Cro will be the first big off the bench; if we ever get Barnes/Pietrus back together I expect one of them to get burn.
What I am afraid of is Nellie using Pietrus as a backup PF and Cro as the backup C, squeezing POB/Wright out of the equation entirely....but that seems like something Nellie's' gonna do.
It will be an interesting situation: we will rejoice at this problem when we have a situation as we did early one with Barnes/Pietrus/Jack out for various reasons; but when we're winning it will be difficult to keep everyone happy without stifling the growth and potential rewards of our youth.
If Cro plays like this I don't really have any problem with him being used.
Overall, all the players we have could provide all the parts we need (for example, Ellis might unexpectedly turn in good PG performances),...but they might not.
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by OptionZero on Nov 18, 2007 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
nvevermind
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by OptionZero on Nov 18, 2007 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well said
this is good drama - you gotta love the nba ...
by OaktownWarrior on Nov 18, 2007 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Matchups
by positivek on Nov 18, 2007 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We're deep again...
by WhatUSay on Nov 18, 2007 1:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
by Zack Vank on Nov 18, 2007 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lineups
it's kinda small ball but it was kinda not... it was like.. MidBall?
by jlagace on Nov 18, 2007 1:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also...
by Zack Vank on Nov 18, 2007 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Answers
As far as Barnes/Jax/MP goes. I don't really think they overlap. Jax gets the starting nod. So it's just really between Barnes and MP to grab the spot to back him up. Barnes is more of a G/F or point forward while Pietrus is more for the toughness/rebound and Nellie is fond of playing him in the big forward position.
Really, the only big concern I have is we're playing all these guys with one year contracts excessive minutes. If they all warrant MLEs by season's end, then we have might lose some if not all of them in the summer. Then, we're back to square one because our youngsters didn't get enough playing time so next year, it's almost like we'll have a new team again.
by lightz0ut on Nov 18, 2007 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that's the problem you want to have, tho
(think of back in the day, what happened with guys like chris gatling, sarunas marciulonis, mario eli...)
by OaktownWarrior on Nov 18, 2007 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Warriors Assign Kosta Perovic to Bakersfield Jam
http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/Perovic_Assigned_to_NBDL_Release.html
Thanks for your support GSOM!
by streetballer on Nov 18, 2007 9:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
POB hang in there..
For the Knicks, I don't think the Ws go twin towers, instead I think Nellie will just double down and dare the Knicks to make the extra pass and hit jumpers. No way with Jamal (chucker) Crawford and Nate Robinson out there. The Knicks are tailor made for the Ws to run them out of the house so long as the Warriors play good help defense and hustle for the boards.
by philsmith75 on Nov 18, 2007 9:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
delusions of grandeur?
what A R E y'all smokin? and pass it down!
Even at full strength, we're short in backup PG & PF /C
just enjoy the wins and hope for a TPE deal along the way to another nail-biting climb to #8 seed
by hardcore on Nov 18, 2007 11:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
just because we may not have
I think the Barnes/Pietrus situation will be especially tense because both players are in a contract year and whoever gets the short end of the stick will be very unhappy about his value slipping due to a lack of pt.
Personally I hope we play both Barnes and Pietrus and don't play Croshere.
by gsw4life on Nov 19, 2007 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
by Zack Vank on Nov 19, 2007 12:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
POB's sky hook...
More of a lost art, quite a rarity among big men in the NBA today. I was dead wrong about this kid. I was so happy to see him at the game against the Clippers all fired up. That was really the first time I've EVER seen Patrick get excited about ANYTHING while he was on the floor. He had Barnes jumpin on em and he was swinging his fist in the air, such a relief to see that we didn't waste a pick after all.
I hate to build an outlook just from the result of one game, but just the thought of Pat, Andris, and Wright on our team...all of em 21 or younger...They've got the potential to be one of the most formidable assemblements of big men in the league for years to come. I'm also relieved to see that Patrick is not regressing from summer league and training camp, he just seems to get better and better, and you can actually see the confidence filling him up like water to a glass with each solid minute he spends on that floor.
One question for you all though....
Do you think that the Warriors may have a different plan with their roster now, in regards of who may be on the trading block come mid-season with the emergence of a player like O'Bryant? Will they have the resources to re-sign him after this off-season if he goes on to emerge as one of the most promising big men out there? How will they re-sign him, Azubuike(must), Biedrins, and Ellis without a trade involving Harrington? Any thoughts?
by BlueNgoldBlood on Nov 19, 2007 1:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
man..
by jlagace on Nov 19, 2007 4:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
its not too big a deal
We can sign him for up to $3M or so without delving into the MLE itself; if it came to it we could spend the MLE on him (and correspondingly not be able to spend the MLE elsewhere, of course).
Will another team, based on backup minutes this year, be convinced to throw more $6M in starting salary at him? Varejao has more experience and was pretty productive in more minutes for a team in the Finals (lol!!!) and didn't get that much attention, though he was an RFA.
I will be more worried if POB blows up completely, but right now it's hard to see him getting an offer we can't top.
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by OptionZero on Nov 19, 2007 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to say this but....
Remember that Ellis dunk against the Suns? Remember how after the rookie-sophomore game the league showed that highlight again and again to the world?
And O'Bryant probably will get alot of minutes down the road simply because he's one of the few guys on the team who can rebound the ball for us.
I hate to say it but all he needs are about 2-3 more good games against good teams to be nationally recognized, and if he plays well at the end of the season when we're trying to clinch....all bets are off.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Nov 19, 2007 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Naw
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by OptionZero on Nov 19, 2007 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying that...
Him being the 9th overall pick of the draft compared to Ellis being a 2nd round pick only strengthens my point. Do you think a center who was picked that high with his kind of potential will go somewhat unnoticed in a league starving for talented bigs, even if he plays well? I really have a difficult time thinking that we would be able to retain him for 3 mil... There is a high demand for young centers, and if POB plays well, and Nelson chooses to give him minutes during playoffs, then I think there will be a bidding war. I don't want to believe this, but I see it coming.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Nov 19, 2007 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
radar
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by OptionZero on Nov 19, 2007 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope your right....
And I wouldn't put too much on Cro taking his minutes, Cro's gotta get healthy first, and even then who's to say he'll get back in his groove? If Patrick can build on his last performance, it'll be tough to keep him off the floor, for an ailing guy like Croshere...stiff backs aren't the best thing for a guy this late in his career wouldn't you say?
by BlueNgoldBlood on Nov 19, 2007 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gil and Cro
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by OptionZero on Nov 19, 2007 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Back issues.
For an entire year, every time I tried to chase down a football in the open field, or jump over someone half a foot taller than me for a rebound, my lower back would lock up and spasms would shoot up my spine all the way to my shoulders like electric shock waves. The pain was so intense that I would just have to stop and sit down.
I won't speculate as to how bad Croshere's spasms are, but I don't think your really aware as to how this could effect Croshere for possibly the remainder of the season, and if it does, then you better believe Nellie will give O'Bryant the minutes. Now, I hope it was nothing more than a sore back....but if it's stiffening up on him, that could be very bad.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Nov 19, 2007 5:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Croshere
Even still, on a night when he played the best he's ever played, he got...12 minutes?
My point stands. He won't get enough burn to earn the MLE+ deal it would take to make him leave, at least without a fight.
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by OptionZero on Nov 19, 2007 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you can bet
I don't think Nelson is interested in "hiding O'Bryant" on the bench, just for the sake of being able to re-sign him at a reasonable price. Nelson just wants to coach and win.
He will coach this talented ball player when he's ready.
He will be more than ready after 40 games.
Nelson will play him over Croshere.
O'Bryant will continue to get better.
Now, if you're not worried that O'Bryant will be "noticed", and that no one will offer him 5-6 million a year, then I'd say your being awfully confident.
PS - O'Bryant will be a better player than Croshere, possibly even by season's end.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Nov 25, 2007 4:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that is if POB
by hardcore on Nov 25, 2007 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
POB
Go back and look at the guys I mentioned:
Is POB better thus far more potent than Amir Johnson or Andray Blatche? Cuz those guys only got $3M/year
A team would need to be pretty optimistic to devote the MLE to POB.
And no, I'm not sure Nellie will give POb more than 12MPG
not with mbenga being effective
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by OptionZero on Nov 25, 2007 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mbenga?
by BlueNgoldBlood on Nov 25, 2007 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how bout
Check Adam Lauridsen's latest Fast Break entry and read his praise for DJ Banger.
Then headover to 82games.com and check the defensive +/- so far.
While you're at it, call Don Nelson and ask him what he thinks of Mbenga, the guy he coached before and liked enough to bring on board and play right away.
After that, you can go back to trying to be witty, cuz I might be wrong and you might be right.
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by OptionZero on Nov 25, 2007 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
witty
I'm not saying M'Benga's not a good player, because I love the guy and I'm behind him 100%. BUUUT I think O'Bryant's a better player. Certainly has a good chance to be significantly better.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Nov 25, 2007 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not witty, not discerning
That, in turn, affects his future market value.
So what if POB has shown you flashes of the abilities you mention? GM's don't throw money MLE level money at guys that never play.
My point stands. MBenga will dig into POB's playing time; without playing time POB's not getting the type of attention you think he will.
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by OptionZero on Nov 25, 2007 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
POB
by Gain on 10 on Nov 20, 2007 1:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
THE MONEY: A comparison
Amir Johnson got $10.8M/3 years from the Pistons. He was beloved by local fans but had done nothing in the NBA. Like POB, he had a good showing in the D-League, but that's it.
Andray Blatche got an extension for $15M/5 years from the Wizards. He had been a restricted free agent. Blatche had significantly more time than Johnson in the L, but averaged only 12 minutes per game in 56 contests.
Given that POB is unlikely to eclipse 12 MPG, it is unlikely he gets more than the roughly $3M/year that either of those guys got. That figure is something we can match without delving into the MLE.
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by OptionZero on Nov 20, 2007 3:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
CORRECTION
We cannot pay POB more than $2.4M with the Early Bird Exception, if we want to pay him more than that we have to use part of the MLE itself.
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by OptionZero on Nov 23, 2007 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is a good plan
It lights a fire with POB and his agent to actually show up in games.
If he turns out to be productive, then his value is raised and everyone wins.
The only risk is if he starts dumping 12-15 a night. Nelson can bench him in that case and pray no one noticed.
A risk worth taking, I doubt he'll hit double figures in scoring very often this year, probably under ten times total for all season.
by Gain on 10 on Nov 21, 2007 9:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
why does this diary
by hardcore on Nov 23, 2007 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
sometimes
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by OptionZero on Nov 23, 2007 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mbenga
while you've got some nice comparisons there with amir johnson etc. as evidence that patty o won't be swiped, there are obviously other cases where opposing GMs gamble and overpay on unproven talent.
so, sure, we might lose him.
I haven't ever been as down on the guy as a lot of folks here, but let's not get carried away in the other direction based on the little we've seen. Hopefully he'll be able to develop in the scraps he gets thrown by Nellie, and earn the guy's trust. Then, let the market do its thing, and let's hope Mullin keeps up his new-found frugality.
by panhandlelegend on Nov 26, 2007 7:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blessing in Disguise
If he'd been thrust into heavy minutes last year, he might have been mentally destroyed.
No one expects anything of him, and he's out to prove them wrong!
Maybe with his personality type, that's the only way he could develope? Er, I mean the best way, to make him fight for it. To bring out his fire at the coach instead of himself for struggling in games. Protect his ego at the start, kind of thing.
Ha! I can't believe I just wrote Nelson was protecting his ego...but in a strange way...
by Gain on 10 on Nov 26, 2007 3:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There's no conflict
by BlueNgoldBlood on Nov 27, 2007 2:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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