The Don on Monta
It's been awhile since my last post, more like last season. I just wanted to put my 2 cents in on the trade talks and the bashing, specifically on Monta.
This is from Don Nelson after today's game:
"He's one of the best point guards in the league. I'm playing him a lot of minutes and he's having a great year so far. He's a big part of what we do."
And so I ask. Do u still want to trade him? It's been pointed out many times on this site that we should ship him out. The man can flat out ball, and has been improving every aspect of his game as he gets more experience. Remember the turnovers, the bad D, the inconsistent J. Well, I can't anymore. Each game the man (notice I didn't say kid) puts up numbers across the board. His pts, rebounds and dimes are up, while his turnovers are down. Does he have certain things that he needs to improve on like ball handling? Of course. But u got to give credit where credit is due, and I certainly think he deserves it. He makes the team faster than what they already are, and that's saying a lot.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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don nelson said
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WE NEED A BACKUP POINT GUARD
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by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Dec 17, 2007 11:23 PM PST reply actions
wow
by BDistheBoss on Dec 18, 2007 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
lol
Don Nelson says Ellis is a good PG.
Don Nelson says Belinelli will be a star...and ready to contribute immediately.
What does this prove? Nothing.
Except that Don Nelson says all kinds of stuff, some true, some false, some that he doesn't even know.
Tomorrow he'd probably say the sky is green and the earth is flat. Last year he said we weren't going to the playoffs.
Don Nelson said = NOTHING
You fail. But I respect your opinion. And your right to fail as many times as you'd like.
24 > 23
WE NEED A BACKUP POINT GUARD
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by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Dec 18, 2007 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
lol
-people have less to listen what he is saying -especially with 100% serious attitude
sometimes he's kidding sometimes lying sometimes talking just for talk
build a team & destroy the roof
by Lat We N Trash on Dec 18, 2007 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
don't forget...
Murphy will average 20 and 10.
... Don Nelson
Murphy is doing pretty good, Dunleavy is ..., Marco was never given a huge chance to play huge minutes for couple games in a row, and Monta is constantly improving.
yea Don Nelson just says things so may be true some may not
Get of his case
by Proof on Dec 18, 2007 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
get off my case
I'm not doing anything to discredit Don Nelson; he does that to himself and he'd admit as much. He certainly doesn't need "Proof" defending him on the internet.
Belinelli might be really good, and you might be really smart.
24 > 23
WE NEED A BACKUP POINT GUARD
AIM: Jetforze
by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Dec 18, 2007 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
Debate much?
by eshock @ Golden State Of Mind on Dec 19, 2007 6:39 AM PST up reply actions
once again
Belinelli is ready.
Dunleavy will have a career year.
He drinks beer at interviews.
Nellie would tell you he's fooling with you, and so will most journalists that have any experience.
If he read what you wrote, he'd laugh too. Lemme call him up.
Yeah, he's laughing.
A Golden State of Mind Indeed.
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by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Dec 19, 2007 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Please please please
Can you provide video evidence of this? Not that I doubt you, I just want to view the hilarity...
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 19, 2007 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
video?
A Golden State of Mind Indeed.
AIM: Jetforze
by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Dec 19, 2007 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Sigh...
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 19, 2007 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
offense?
FYI
you should buy GSoM stuff
cuz its the best
A Golden state of mind Indeed.
AIM: Jetforze
by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Dec 19, 2007 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Beer promotes truth-telling
by eshock @ Golden State Of Mind on Dec 19, 2007 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
liar
Don Nelson says many things that are not true; sometimes he lies, sometimes he's wrong.
In any case, the point is that "Nellie said so" has very little probative value about whether something is true or not.
It's an extra soundbyte, that's all.
A Golden state of mind Indeed.
AIM: Jetforze
by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Dec 19, 2007 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Question.
More than MLE
As players ending their third year, both will be restricted free agents. The Arenas provision, which would limit another team's offer to the MLE amount, does not apply to either. It only applies to 2nd year players. Anyone can offer him anything, but we have the right to match any offer.
hrm
After this season he will have 3 years of service time, which according to Question 11 on the Coon FAQ, means his maximum salary is around $13M. Which he won't get. And isn't worth.
He is not an early bird restricted free agent and the Gilbert Arenas rules do not apply since he has more than 2 years in the L.
Louis Williams was drafted in the same year and also will have 3 years experience...so I'm not sure entirely what they are talking about that would restrict Ellis or Louis to the MLE.
The MLE is roughly $5.5M this year, it should be around $6M next year, and my projection is Ellis asks for around $7.5M.
24 > 23
WE NEED A BACKUP POINT GUARD
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by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Dec 18, 2007 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Absense makes the heart grow fonder
Like I said in another diary, he scores the easiest 20 I've seen since Mr. Crew Cut. Even easier than Jamison's. He makes the game look easy. Much like Rachel Ray makes having your own cooking show look damn easy. I wouldn't say he's a "keep no matter if he asks for max money" kinda guy, but if he's Cohan-affordable, I say eff it.
Best duo since...
by Tim N Chris Burger on Dec 17, 2007 11:25 PM PST reply actions
Monta's head
He made Bill Simmon's top 50 trade-value list!
I cannot say I see a big difference from last year's Monta, not that that's a bad thing. He's still the fastest player on the court, can score whenever he wants to, as long as he's not going one-on-one with the game clock ticking down, and still brings me out of my seat on a nightly basis. Oh, and he's learned that his leapers can earn him a few rebounds when he puts his mind to it.
But I have to disagree with the rosy picture you've painted. His defense isn't where it needs to be, and though it will improve with experience, he needs to increase his effort too (offense comes to him naturally, defense not so much). And his ball-handling isn't the only thing keeping him from becoming a point guard. While he's starting to think like a point guard more and more, he has to keep himself under control and increase his awareness of where his teammates are on the court.
I hope we hang on to him. Replacing Monta with a more conventional point guard would force the warriors into a more conventional style of play, and unless said new point guard arrives with a legit power forward, this team doesn't have the right players to win conventional games against good teams.
Heck, even if they did, I'll take warriorball Big Nellie-style any day of the week.
Big difference on offense
Pietrus on the other hand, yeesh.
Pietrus is dumb
The guy is a moron
he isn't turning the ball over anymore
I think he is in the process of making a big leap forward this year
His defense still is awful though
Monta
But with his payday coming up, I really hope Mullin looks at the big picture of things. Nobody wants to see Monta Ellis on another team.. but there are so many factors that go into that decision. Look at the opportunity costs of keeping and paying Monta Ellis: not trading him at the deadline could have otherwise gotten us some talent at other positions in return; if we pay him something over or around $6mil, that's money we could've used under the luxury tax to pay someone else (TPE), his roster spot and his minutes, and his money take away from Azubuike (or whatever other SG).
There's so many things that come into play. It's alot more complex than "Monta is improving and he's fun to watch so let's lock up Monta, and Cohan don't be a cheapskate".
I think he's going to get more than 6 million
Its a tough call but if you don't see him as a potential start I can see trying to win now which means not overpaying
Monta
by drummer1 on Dec 18, 2007 8:46 AM PST reply actions
The rest of the league values
Going into this season
To me, he is an essential piece of W basketball. Maybe not in the waning minutes of the 4th yet, but there have been many games where in quarters 2 and 3 Monta was the main reason they were alive.
Have you seen him improve his defensive pressure too? He is getting a lot of steals against other bigs. His perimeter defense leaves something to be desired, but I see him steadily progressing.
If the Warriors want to continue to play "warrior" basketball in the coming years, Monta needs to be a part of it.
If I said it once, I've said it......
Of course, Lee and Robinson are two of the New Yorker's fav players, but they hate Thomas anyway.
You call me ancient, I say "oldguysrule"
Why does NY do this?
We should really just trade PoB for Josh Smith. Then we can trade MP for Chris Paul.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 18, 2007 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
we wouldn't do that deal either
Huh?
And there is no denying NY has to be thinking about something splashy. But like I said, I think Lee and Robinson are untouchable but then again a few months ago we spent zillions of bytes talking about getting KG. One can dream....and I dream of David Lee as our future power forward.
You call me ancient, I say "oldguysrule"
Monta
Not having Monta on the floor
I'd still like to see a larger sample size than "one game against the hottest team in the NBA" before I start decrying our fast break without Monta.
Sarcasm
How bout this offense: 2-2-1 zone with Monta at the top of the key. Whenever we get a steal or a rebound, just hurl the ball downcourt and let him go make a layup. Practice can be playing fetch. "You want the ball? You want the ball?!? Go get it! Good Monta... Good Monta..." (pats head).
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 18, 2007 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Monta is A Cornerstone....
No way I ship him out now, unless its for Stoudamire, who I do not think is going anywhere.
Monta's midrange jumper has come up huge in the 4th quarter in several games now and its actually the most reliable late game shot the W's have.
Nellie
The Rules
No one's suggesting that we offer him anything close to a max deal. The question is would you match an $8 million/year contract (possibly slightly more) if he signed that kind of offer sheet with another club.
I don't see how the warriors can afford not to bring back Monta, Biedrins, and Kelenna. Too bad Cohen probably doesn't see how we can afford to keep all 3.
welll
by djchuckdeez on Dec 18, 2007 12:53 PM PST reply actions
Mulson is doing the right thing right now
If he improves significantly in the rest of the season, great, let's sign him up. If somebody comes to us with a good trade offer, great let's take it. If he doesn't improve, we can use that as leverage in negotiations. I see NO reason to make a fast move with Monta.
In the offseason, I see a GM's market, not a player's market (few teams have a lot of cap room). We probably need to move Pietrus and PoB ASAP if we can get anything useful from them (like a back up PG), but we can definitely afford to wait on Monta.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 18, 2007 1:45 PM PST reply actions
i hate how people think monta isnt worth it
just 21 i think
his injury shouldnt concern you that much
he is STILL LEARNING
i would hate to give him away and then later he plays like Gilbert Arenas
One Man Fast Break
A recent observation is that he seems to be the ONLY Warrior with a pull-up and/or mid-range jumper. Harington, Jax and Diddy all shoot a mid-range shot but it's always falling away. Everyone else are spot-up 3-ballers.
Pay the man and let's watch him blossom into a cog in the Warriors dynasty-to-be.
Miles Davis a Warriors fan?
by LosGuerreros on Dec 18, 2007 9:45 PM PST reply actions
huh?
Ellis does it more since he doesn't have 3p range.
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WE NEED A BACKUP POINT GUARD
AIM: Jetforze
by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Dec 18, 2007 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
I can't stop lookin'

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