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The Don on Monta

It's been awhile since my last post, more like last season. I just wanted to put my 2 cents in on the trade talks and the bashing, specifically on Monta.

This is from Don Nelson after today's game:
"He's one of the best point guards in the league. I'm playing him a lot of minutes and he's having a great year so far. He's a big part of what we do."

And so I ask. Do u still want to trade him? It's been pointed out many times on this site that we should ship him out. The man can flat out ball, and has been improving every aspect of his game as he gets more experience. Remember the turnovers, the bad D, the inconsistent J. Well, I can't anymore. Each game the man (notice I didn't say kid) puts up numbers across the board. His pts, rebounds and dimes are up, while his turnovers are down. Does he have certain things that he needs to improve on like ball handling? Of course. But u got to give credit where credit is due, and I certainly think he deserves it. He makes the team faster than what they already are, and that's saying a lot.

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don nelson said
marco belinelli is gonna be a star

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AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Dec 17, 2007 11:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

wow
what does that prove OZ? doesn't prove shit. Marco Belinelli is still a rookie, he can still become a great player.
Bill Curley led the league in hook shot percentage the year he played for us.

by BDistheBoss on Dec 18, 2007 12:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol
Who are you again? Do I know you?

Don Nelson says Ellis is a good PG.
Don Nelson says Belinelli will be a star...and ready to contribute immediately.

What does this prove? Nothing.

Except that Don Nelson says all kinds of stuff, some true, some false, some that he doesn't even know.

Tomorrow he'd probably say the sky is green and the earth is flat. Last year he said we weren't going to the playoffs.

Don Nelson said = NOTHING

You fail. But I respect your opinion. And your right to fail as many times as you'd like.

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AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Dec 18, 2007 12:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol
that's fo sure
-people have less to listen what he is saying -especially with 100% serious attitude

sometimes he's kidding sometimes lying sometimes talking just for talk

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Dec 18, 2007 12:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget...
Dunleavy is a natural 4.  

Murphy will average 20 and 10.

by jae on Dec 18, 2007 8:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

... Don Nelson
drinks and plays smaller people when other teams play big....
Murphy is doing pretty good, Dunleavy is ..., Marco was never given a huge chance to play huge minutes for couple games in a row, and Monta is constantly improving.
yea Don Nelson just says things so may be true some may not

by 8monta on Dec 18, 2007 4:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Get of his case
all he said was that monta is playing hella good, which he is...  theres no outrageous claims here.  and just because Nellie has said some crazy stuff, are you going to discredit everything he says.  Maybe bellinelli will be really good.  

by Proof on Dec 18, 2007 6:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

get off my case
What Don Nelson said, according to the original diary, was Ellis is one of the best point guards. Now, we know that's not true, so its hardly inaccurate or inappropriate for me to point out the Nellie frequently makes up crap to say which has no reflection on reality.

I'm not doing anything to discredit Don Nelson; he does that to himself and he'd admit as much. He certainly doesn't need "Proof" defending him on the internet.

Belinelli might be really good, and you might be really smart.

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AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Dec 18, 2007 6:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Debate much?
You cannot brush aside the claim about Monta.  It is valid.  It is not a given.  Don is the most brutally honest and insightful person I  have encountered in the NBA.  The arrogant posts here claiming that he lies for fun are just uninformed and unthoughtful.

by eshock on Dec 19, 2007 6:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

once again
The Warriors aren't making the playoffs.

Belinelli is ready.

Dunleavy will have a career year.

He drinks beer at interviews.

Nellie would tell you he's fooling with you, and so will most journalists that have any experience.

If he read what you wrote, he'd laugh too. Lemme call him up.

Yeah, he's laughing.

A Golden State of Mind Indeed.

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Dec 19, 2007 9:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Please please please
He drinks beer at interviews.

Can you provide video evidence of this?  Not that I doubt you, I just want to view the hilarity...

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 19, 2007 9:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

video?
Where were you last year? He did it till the league made a rule banning alcohol at postgame news conferences.

A Golden State of Mind Indeed.

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Dec 19, 2007 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh...
I was in Boston and working too much (see handle).  I can't watch any games except when they play the Celtics or Nat'l TV, and you know neither FS New England or NBC were showing Nelson's postgame interviews.  I remember hearing about it, but sadly can't watch FS Bay Area.  Sorry to have offended you.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 19, 2007 12:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

offense?
We love offense! We're coached by Don Nelson and we believe, offense is welcome whether it's on the court or on the best blog on the internet

FYI
you should buy GSoM stuff
cuz its the best

A Golden state of mind Indeed.

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Dec 19, 2007 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beer promotes truth-telling
The comments that you have plucked may or may not be true, but that doesn't mean that Nelson is a liar.  I have not met too many sportswriters that are intelligent or inspired to really understand the gist of many comments from Nelson.  Nelson tells it the way it is, right or wrong.  He'll change his mind or opinion but tell you why.  He's a no bullshit dude and calls it the way he sees it.  I doubt he'll laugh at that assessment.  He'd probably be glad that someone out there "gets" him.  And, btw, The Dubs don't make the playoffs if the Clippers didn't tank.  There is still time for Marco to blossom.  Dunleavy is having a career season.  Why are you so sure that Nelson talks smack?  Sometimes, hidden in plain sight, is a great policy.

by eshock on Dec 19, 2007 3:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

liar
When did I call Don Nelson a liar?

Don Nelson says many things that are not true; sometimes he lies, sometimes he's wrong.

In any case, the point is that "Nellie said so" has very little probative value about whether something is true or not.

It's an extra soundbyte, that's all.

A Golden state of mind Indeed.

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Dec 19, 2007 3:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Question.
Can Monta make more than the MLE next year? I was wondering because Philly posters are saying Louis Williams (who was also a 2nd round pick along with Monta) can't make more than the MLE and can only make about 10% of next year's cap. So a deal of say, 5 years 35 million is what that'd equate to roughly. I'm no capologist, so i need some clarification.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 18, 2007 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

More than MLE
I believe Monta can make more than the MLE next year, as can Louis Williams. I suspect the 6er poster was incorrect.

As players ending their third year, both will be restricted free agents.  The Arenas provision, which would limit another team's offer to the MLE amount, does not apply to either.  It only applies to 2nd year players.  Anyone can offer him anything, but we have the right to match any offer.

by jae on Dec 18, 2007 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hrm
I don't know of any provision that would limit him to the MLE.

After this season he will have 3 years of service time, which according to Question 11 on the Coon FAQ, means his maximum salary is around $13M. Which he won't get. And isn't worth.

He is not an early bird restricted free agent and the Gilbert Arenas rules do not apply since he has more than 2 years in the L.

Louis Williams was drafted in the same year and also will have 3 years experience...so I'm not sure entirely what they are talking about that would restrict Ellis or Louis to the MLE.

The MLE is roughly $5.5M this year, it should be around $6M next year, and my projection is Ellis asks for around $7.5M.

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AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Dec 18, 2007 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

dang zero
i was hoping that was true. Oh well. I would pay 5 year $35 mill. for Monta. Anything higher than $7/per year i'd have to think long and hard about.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 18, 2007 7:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Absense makes the heart grow fonder
I didn't truly realize montas value to this year's team until the portland game.  Now, no offense to the blazers, who I feel will be the next rags to riches story, but the warriors looked slow without ellis.

Like I said in another diary, he scores the easiest 20 I've seen since Mr. Crew Cut.  Even easier than Jamison's.  He makes the game look easy.  Much like Rachel Ray makes having your own cooking show look damn easy. I wouldn't say he's a "keep no matter if he asks for max money" kinda guy, but if he's Cohan-affordable, I say eff it.

Best duo since...

by Tim N Chris Burger on Dec 17, 2007 11:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Monta's head
Im sure getting a public atta boy isnt to shabby for the kids confidence. I wouldnt think of Nelson as a hugger, so Im sure some good words go along way. I got hugs for Monta, he's definitely doing his thing. OH and BIG shout outs to BUKIEEEE. Homey is ice cold

by highflya on Dec 17, 2007 11:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He made Bill Simmon's top 50 trade-value list!
One of the best point guards in the league?  Are you sure he was talking about Monta and not our "other" point guard?

I cannot say I see a big difference from last year's Monta, not that that's a bad thing.  He's still the fastest player on the court, can score whenever he wants to, as long as he's not going one-on-one with the game clock ticking down, and still brings me out of my seat on a nightly basis.  Oh, and he's learned that his leapers can earn him a few rebounds when he puts his mind to it.

But I have to disagree with the rosy picture you've painted.  His defense isn't where it needs to be, and though it will improve with experience, he needs to increase his effort too (offense comes to him naturally, defense not so much).  And his ball-handling isn't the only thing keeping him from becoming a point guard.  While he's starting to think like a point guard more and more, he has to keep himself under control and increase his awareness of where his teammates are on the court.

I hope we hang on to him.  Replacing Monta with a more conventional point guard would force the warriors into a more conventional style of play, and unless said new point guard arrives with a legit power forward, this team doesn't have the right players to win conventional games against good teams.

Heck, even if they did, I'll take warriorball Big Nellie-style any day of the week.  

by BingBluNT on Dec 18, 2007 1:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Big difference on offense
Monta's defense needs to tighten down but he's made a huge leap offensively.  Adding the (very!) consistent mid range jumper makes him much more dangerous. He's not picking up hardly any offensive fouls anymore and has greatly improved his assists.  Monta last year would be schooled by Monta this year.  I was on the fence in the early going but love him these days.

Pietrus on the other hand, yeesh.

by redape on Dec 18, 2007 9:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pietrus is dumb
there can be no two ways about it

The guy is a moron

by Zig on Dec 18, 2007 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he isn't turning the ball over anymore
and his floor game has improved

I think he is in the process of making a big leap forward this year

His defense still is awful though

by Zig on Dec 18, 2007 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Monta
I'm sure no Warriors fan dislikes Monta Ellis, he's a big reason why our brand of basketball is as exciting as it is.

But with his payday coming up, I really hope Mullin looks at the big picture of things.  Nobody wants to see Monta Ellis on another team.. but there are so many factors that go into that decision.  Look at the opportunity costs of keeping and paying Monta Ellis: not trading him at the deadline could have otherwise gotten us some talent at other positions in return; if we pay him something over or around $6mil, that's money we could've used under the luxury tax to pay someone else (TPE), his roster spot and his minutes, and his money take away from Azubuike (or whatever other SG).

There's so many things that come into play.  It's alot more complex than "Monta is improving and he's fun to watch so let's lock up Monta, and Cohan don't be a cheapskate".

by jlagace on Dec 18, 2007 3:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think he's going to get more than 6 million
I am not sure how many years Baron has left at a high level

Its a tough call but if you don't see him as a potential start I can see trying to win now which means not overpaying

by Zig on Dec 18, 2007 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Monta
Hi, I love his talent, but his size and injury problems concern me enough that I would trade him for the big athletic bruiser we need.  One knee surgery already, that scary fall/paralysis thing he had in the summer which he alluded to having experienced before, the way he plays which invites the one injury that will take away the speed he is reliant on.  If he can bring the PF that will make us contenders we gotta trade him, imo.

by drummer1 on Dec 18, 2007 8:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The rest of the league values
big athletic forwards more than we do so I can't see that happening

by Zig on Dec 18, 2007 10:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Going into this season
I would have shipped Monta and kept AB if I had to choose.  However, seeing what Monta brings to this team, despite his horrible decisions, is vital.  He is a natural scorer at any pace of the game.  He keeps the Warriors up and running, and he is the only player on the court regularly not named Mbenga or AB who doesn't GENERALLY settle for the 3 (forget that awful ending to the Magic game).  He brings energy on the floor that not many players match.  

To me, he is an essential piece of W basketball.  Maybe not in the waning minutes of the 4th yet, but there have been many games where in quarters 2 and 3 Monta was the main reason they were alive.  

Have you seen him improve his defensive pressure too?  He is getting a lot of steals against other bigs.  His perimeter defense leaves something to be desired, but I see him steadily progressing.

If the Warriors want to continue to play "warrior" basketball in the coming years, Monta needs to be a part of it.

by belli nellie on Dec 18, 2007 8:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

If I said it once, I've said it......
Monta for David Lee.  And let's get Nate Robinson while we are at it for Pietrus or Harrington.  I think it would have to be Harrington for salary purposes but let's throw in Pietrus for good cheer.  All our problems are solved and OZ can drop his tag line.

Of course, Lee and Robinson are two of the New Yorker's fav players, but they hate Thomas anyway.

You call me ancient, I say "oldguysrule"

by commish on Dec 18, 2007 9:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why does NY do this?
Please explain.

We should really just trade PoB for Josh Smith.  Then we can trade MP for Chris Paul.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 18, 2007 1:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we wouldn't do that deal either
It's almost like the Warriors have 6 guys out there... they always have a guy open! - Jon Barry commentating game 3 last year

by gsw4life on Dec 18, 2007 2:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?
NY wouldn't but the post said do we still want to trade Monta.  I said yes, for David Lee.  Monta would thrive in NY with his high flying, high profile game and boyish good looks.

And there is no denying NY has to be thinking about something splashy.  But like I said, I think Lee and Robinson are untouchable but then again a few months ago we spent zillions of bytes talking about getting KG.  One can dream....and I dream of David Lee as our future power forward.

You call me ancient, I say "oldguysrule"

by commish on Dec 18, 2007 3:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Monta
is half of our fastbreak points. A up-tempo team needs their one-man fastbreak. It showed when we couldn't put up enough points in Portland. We didn't get the easy ones in transition.

by racsan on Dec 18, 2007 10:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not having Monta on the floor
Monta's great and all, but not having him on the floor didn't really hurt us or our fast break in the playoffs last year... but that may just be us owning Dallas.

I'd still like to see a larger sample size than "one game against the hottest team in the NBA" before I start decrying our fast break without Monta.

Sarcasm
How bout this offense:  2-2-1 zone with Monta at the top of the key.  Whenever we get a steal or a rebound, just hurl the ball downcourt and let him go make a layup.  Practice can be playing fetch.  "You want the ball?  You want the ball?!?  Go get it!  Good Monta... Good Monta..." (pats head).

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 18, 2007 10:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Monta is A Cornerstone....
He's a young talent who is perfect for NellieBall.  Its players like him that create competitive teams for the long run, homegrown talents.  

No way I ship him out now, unless its for Stoudamire, who I do not think is going anywhere.

Monta's midrange jumper has come up huge in the 4th quarter in several games now and its actually the most reliable late game shot the W's have.

Nothing better than "The City".

by philsmith75 on Dec 18, 2007 12:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nellie
also said that Mota's only shot a being a "great" player was at point guard. That's b/c fast guys who can score w/out three point range are a dime a dozen in the NBA. That's also why the Warriors are hesitant to offer him a contract. Unless he proves he can do more than one thing well - which is what great players do - he's just quicker than others at his position. I love his game but he's not even close to superstar money - check out Gilbert Arenas' blog for more on that topic.

by triplesix on Dec 18, 2007 12:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Rules
The warriors aren't allowed to extend him until the offseason.  Otherwise it would have been a good idea because he's going to command more money after this year than he would have after 06/07, even after winning MIP.

No one's suggesting that we offer him anything close to a max deal.  The question is would you match an $8 million/year contract (possibly slightly more) if he signed that kind of offer sheet with another club.

I don't see how the warriors can afford not to bring back Monta, Biedrins, and Kelenna.  Too bad Cohen probably doesn't see how we can afford to keep all 3.

by BingBluNT on Dec 18, 2007 12:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

welll
he is worth trading if we get something in return thats just as good, like...Elton Brand? hahahh

by djchuckdeez on Dec 18, 2007 12:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Mulson is doing the right thing right now
They're playing him and promoting him.  Heck, even Jax was saying "We really missed Monta out there" after the Portland game.  This is good for his confidence and gets his name out there.

If he improves significantly in the rest of the season, great, let's sign him up.  If somebody comes to us with a good trade offer, great let's take it.  If he doesn't improve, we can use that as leverage in negotiations.  I see NO reason to make a fast move with Monta.

In the offseason, I see a GM's market, not a player's market (few teams have a lot of cap room).  We probably need to move Pietrus and PoB ASAP if we can get anything useful from them (like a back up PG), but we can definitely afford to wait on Monta.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Dec 18, 2007 1:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

i hate how people think monta isnt worth it
back to back 30 point games
just 21 i think
his injury shouldnt concern you that much
he is STILL LEARNING
i would hate to give him away and then later he plays like Gilbert Arenas

by 8monta on Dec 18, 2007 4:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

One Man Fast Break
Ellis To The Rim is a keeper!

A recent observation is that he seems to be the ONLY Warrior with a pull-up and/or mid-range jumper.  Harington, Jax and Diddy all shoot a mid-range shot but it's always falling away.  Everyone else are spot-up 3-ballers.

Pay the man and let's watch him blossom into a cog in the Warriors dynasty-to-be.

Miles Davis a Warriors fan?

by LosGuerreros on Dec 18, 2007 9:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

huh?
Baron, Jack, and Al all pull-up for J's. They might do it with less frequency because they all camp at the 3p line all too much.

Ellis does it more since he doesn't have 3p range.

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by OptionZero on Dec 18, 2007 10:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't stop lookin'
at shorty dead center wearin' the Lil' Dubz GSoM T! dude... the harder I look, I feel like I can see through her shirt!


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by Tony.psd on Dec 18, 2007 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

(snicker)
You said "harder"...

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