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OPEN THREAD: Game #29 - Warriors vs Nuggets

Warriors (W-L): 17-12

Nuggets (W-L): 17-11

Time: 7:30pm PST

TV:FSN Plus (FSN after Sharks game, around 8p)

Radio: KNBR 680

The Warriors face off against the Nuggets tonight in what is the first game of the Denver double dip. The Warriors head to Denver on Sunday. This is a stretch in the schedule where the Warriors will get a serious test. In the next 7 games, they face Denver twice, Houston (13-15), Dallas (19-11), New Orleans (18-10), San Antonio (20-7), and then Portland (16-12). Coming out of this 7 game stretch with a 4-3 record would be expected, and anything better, a nice surprise. Anything's possible and the Warriors will have to be consistent night in and night out to be successful during this stretch. Hit the jump for the preview.

Update: Warriors lose 120-124

Star-divide

With the Nuggets coming to town and both teams at full strength this will be an excellent test to see how they stack up against another top team in the West. They have nearly identical records although the Nuggets are at the top of their division and the Warriors are third in the Pacific.

Expect some fireworks tonight because both teams score like crazy. The Warriors are the 2nd highest scoring team at 108.1 ppg and Denver is the 3rd highest scoring team at 106.8 ppg. Both teams score a lot but they do it in different ways. Denver relies on their two superstars, Allen Iverson (26.3 ppg) and Carmelo Anthony (25.5 ppg) to put up the bulk of the points while everyone else fills in the rest. Only two other players average double figure on the team and they barely reach it, Linas Kleiza (10.5 ppg) and JR Smith (10.1 ppg). Contrast that with the Warriors who have 6 guys in double figures and spread the ball around evenly.



One of the big differences is the points per game allowed. The Warriors give up 106.2ppg and the Nuggets give up 102.9. Defensively the two teams play a little different. Both teams go for steals but do it differently, the Warriors swarm the opposing players and get in the passing lanes to get steals. On the other hand, Denver takes more chances on reach ins and can afford to get beat because Marcus Camby waits for anyone penetrating the paint. He averages 3.6 blocks per game changes countless amounts of shots. He also cleans the glass to the tune of 14 boards per game. When you have the reigning defensive player of the year in the middle, you can take more chances.

No doubt about it, tonight's game is going to be a lot of fun to watch with the scorekeeper having a busy night keeping up with all the points.

Predictions:

  • Warriors win by 4
  • Total points scored = 240 or more
  • Al Harrington drops 25
  • Baron goes bananas and has a monster game
  • Camby gobbles up 18 rebounds

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The Vegas Over
Looks like they have it around 227 points so they're calling the high side of things too.

by Hash on Dec 28, 2007 2:48 PM PST reply actions  

Watch out for K-mart
He has been playing really well this season, him and Camby give them a great defensive frontcourt(Not that one is needed against the Dubs). If Melo stopped launching 3s and got some rebounds this team would a contender.

by Elcold on Dec 28, 2007 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

Three point shooting
As in, the Nuggets don't really have any. JR Smith and Kleiza are their only shooters.

Their offense rests almost entirely on Iverson/Carmelo wrecking havoc in the midrange area. Last year we put Jackson on Iverson, and Jack's length had an effect. The problem this year...who guards Carmelo? Asking Baron to do it is alot, since Melo has the size advantage and is skilled in the low block. On the other hand, asking Baron to chase Iverson all night throughs screens would subject our best player to physical abuse AND fatigue, since Iverson has a limitless motor and uses picks ridiculously well.

Alternatively, you could ask Monta Ellis to chase Allen Iverson matching speed for speed. Iverson's not stupid though, he moves off the ball at a crazy pace, never stopping, and changes directions laterally better than anyone in the league still. Tall task for Ellis.

I suppose we open Ellis on Iverson, Jackson on 'Melo. Since neither guy is a 3P shooter, we have both sag off and force them to become volume jumpshooters.

Crash the glass and run JR Smith and Kleiza off the 3P line.

Offensively, Iverson can be abused physically if he tries to matchup to Baron. Last year the "Reigning defensive player of the year" was a nice doormat for Biedrins' monster game. While Camby is a dominating shotblocker and rebounder, he's a poor positional defender. Force him to move and chase Biedrins on high pick and rolls, and the baseline becomes open for more penetration.

A Golden state of mind Indeed.

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Dec 28, 2007 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

almost must win?
with the games coming up, the dubs really need to win this game.

by MoreHeartThanBrains on Dec 28, 2007 3:46 PM PST reply actions  

ORACLE
HAS TO BE ON IT'S FEET TONIGHT. our warrior team is gonna need everything from fans. IT BETTER BE LOUD!
brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Dec 28, 2007 4:19 PM PST reply actions  

Starting lineup
Any predictions on who Nelson will start tonight against Denver's big front?

by Zenmasta on Dec 28, 2007 4:25 PM PST reply actions  

5
baron, jax, AB, monta barnes

by ArtestJackson08 on Dec 28, 2007 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Energy
we gota commit to defense from the get go, otherwise , well.....
brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Dec 28, 2007 4:42 PM PST reply actions  

Playoff preview
This is exactly what we have to look forward to... a home game follow up mediately by going back the road for the next two (Den on Sunday and although it's not Den, Houston on Monday). I think if the Warriors can get two of those three games that they'll further put their stamp on this season as being a team that's going to stick around the playoff race all season.

If fact if you look at their next seven games (DEN, @DEN, @HOU, @DAL, N.O., S.A., @ POR) that this stretch is even more important than the road trip following the 1-6 start. We all believe that Warriors are solid team with a good chance at sneaking back into the playoffs. If they stink this stretch up like they did with the start of the season (perhaps only other tough stretch to the season), then we'd be seriously behind the 8-ball in getting back to the playoffs. The way I see it, 4-3 would be solid effort..

by mcwalter44 on Dec 28, 2007 5:00 PM PST reply actions  

good points
This is an important stretch.

by jtoj on Dec 28, 2007 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

this year has been really nice
as great as last year's season was... we were floundering with Dunmurphy, around this time last year.

The warriors are playing inspired basketball!

predictions:
20+ for Monta
5 3's for SJax
and a triple double for our all-star PG!

" Sleepy Floyd is Superman!!!"

by CoachBarry on Dec 28, 2007 5:58 PM PST reply actions  

EERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
IT IS ON FSN PLUS. dammit. are those damn sharks playing today? errrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Dec 28, 2007 6:15 PM PST reply actions  

it comes on fsn
around 8 when the sharks are done

by jrich23 on Dec 28, 2007 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Ain't even on FSN+
at 7:45 PM. Comcast grid says it's coming on at 8PM, same as FSN. Please tell me the game time got pushed back half an hour. I usually don't get this pissed when I see jewelry (FSN+ is Jewelry TV until they remember to flip over to the W's).
Be a drinsch!

by Dactyllic on Dec 28, 2007 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Wooooo!
Shars score, which means less chance of OT, which means less wait for Warriors!

by WarriorForLife on Dec 28, 2007 7:59 PM PST reply actions  

argh...
dang it... it looks tonight we won't be too good... the refs are calling fouls every time melo shoots.

by saintdee on Dec 28, 2007 8:14 PM PST reply actions  

Stream
For a live stream, look on here - new links will be posted every couple of minutes or so - I always use this site and it works abroad too - I live in the UK.
http://forum.myp2p.eu/viewtopic.php?id=24160&p=60

by zaki on Dec 28, 2007 8:22 PM PST reply actions  

we are taking
from same source
build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Dec 28, 2007 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

gogo barnes..
starting to heat up. Looks like Ellis might be a no show in terms of impact tonight.

by saintdee on Dec 28, 2007 8:28 PM PST reply actions  

Commercials
These bay area affliated commercials talkin' about the greatest momements in bay area sports are so cheesy but I love em'. Down by ONLY 3. Damn these Friday games are always the best.

by warriorgirl on Dec 28, 2007 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Iverson
had to wee wee. damn like the broadcaster said, we should have locked him up in the restroom
brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Dec 28, 2007 8:36 PM PST reply actions  

@least
1 good thing
FT & FG % became better then in 1.Q

FTW!

build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Dec 28, 2007 8:48 PM PST reply actions  

jackson
shot like freakin6 of our last shots. does he ever damn pass the bsall? we play so much damn better passwing and finding the open guy and trying to shoot over damn camby is kind of out of line for jackson

by GSwarrior on Dec 28, 2007 9:08 PM PST reply actions  

i hate pietrus
he has an easy 17 footer yet he jumps backwards and sideways back to the 3 point line and bricks it

by AJC3317 on Dec 28, 2007 9:19 PM PST reply actions  

When was the last time
we saw a warrior not named Baron Davis actually drive the lane?

by BingBluNT on Dec 28, 2007 9:26 PM PST reply actions  

barnes
ahhhhhh twice tonight

by vietnameezboy on Dec 28, 2007 9:28 PM PST reply actions  

OK Jim Barnett
We get Iverson likes to go to the left. Lol.

by WarriorForLife on Dec 28, 2007 9:33 PM PST reply actions  

hmmm
i wonder if the refs know that it's possible for the warriors to guard iverson without fouling

by AJC3317 on Dec 28, 2007 9:34 PM PST reply actions  

camby
finally hit a jumper!

by antihero on Dec 28, 2007 9:39 PM PST reply actions  

RELAX
dude, stop being a warrior fan if everyone on the team to you, "sucks".
never forget...

by torma510 on Dec 29, 2007 2:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude
You understand this is a game thread, right?

And that people like to blow off steam here when they're pissed?

And that Harrington, for the most part, did indeed SUCK tonight?

While we're talking about sucking, how much does it suck to call out another poster's Warrior fandom when your webpin  is an eight-sizes-too-big photo of a Charlotte Bobcat?

Calling out a fan's loyalty in a game-thread should be a bannable offense. JRich webpins are borderline. ;-P

by Sleepy Freud on Dec 29, 2007 3:03 AM PST up reply actions  

thanx man
and to the guy above, i'm a fan, not a fanBOY. if a guy has a sucky game i'm gonna say something about it rather than choose to ignore it. i will also give a guy props if he has a good game (baron and biedrins)

by AJC3317 on Dec 29, 2007 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Defense
i hate when i am right. GOTTA GET THAT STOP
brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Dec 28, 2007 9:46 PM PST reply actions  

harrington?
wtf?1 what happened to his game?

by saintdee on Dec 28, 2007 9:51 PM PST reply actions  

doh...
jackson misses... sigh there goes the game.. shoulda had baron shoot that 3..

by saintdee on Dec 28, 2007 9:56 PM PST reply actions  

or..
Bookie
Who's your Dizzle?

by Fluid1 on Dec 28, 2007 9:57 PM PST reply actions  

dammmmmmid
build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Dec 28, 2007 9:57 PM PST reply actions  

warriors lose!!!
sigh! we gotta beat these good opponents if we ever wanna get anywhere.

by saintdee on Dec 28, 2007 9:57 PM PST reply actions  

AND I SHOUT
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. lETS GET EM TOMORROW BOYS. tough luck. AI was on fire and we couldn;t do anything
brb, going to ORACLE

by warrior510 on Dec 28, 2007 9:58 PM PST reply actions  

UGH
Damnit.

Iverson getting all those calls............

by jtoj on Dec 28, 2007 9:59 PM PST reply actions  

now
W's got to win a 2nd 1
build a team & destroy the roof

by Lat We N Trash on Dec 28, 2007 9:59 PM PST reply actions  

man
jackson shots so freakin much like a ballhog there was his chance.. then misses.this is why he is not our superstar.baron shoulda shot the three.freakin jackson. welp we better make it up on sunday where were in the mile city.

by GSwarrior on Dec 28, 2007 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

my goodness JAX
9-27 shooting     5-15  on 3's

Really though it came down to the Defense and the lack of any sort of inside scoring   

by Zig on Dec 28, 2007 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

*tear*
ughghghg. these games are the suckiest
D:

by gby822 on Dec 28, 2007 10:03 PM PST reply actions  

42%
for a team of "shooters" that's damn near pathetic. jackson shooting 27 times is rediculous. ellis sucked, barnes sucked, harrington sucked, azubuike sucked. only davis and biedrins really showed up tonight

by AJC3317 on Dec 28, 2007 10:03 PM PST reply actions  

team of shooters?
who told you that?  I consider a "shooter" to be someone who shoots at a high percentage

We have mostly high volume streaky guys

by Zig on Dec 28, 2007 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

it's a shooting team
nearly every player on the team has 3 point range. yes they're streaky, but that doesn't mean that when they shoot 42% it's not pathetic. unfortunately it's also expected, so i'm in agreement with u there

by AJC3317 on Dec 28, 2007 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

But
I would be willing to bet most of the outside shooters on this team shoot around 42%.  I would take tonights offensive numbers on most nights.  They win if AI and Melo don't go off.
Playoffs!!??

by PAWarrior on Dec 29, 2007 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Which is why
The Warriors will never go far in the Playoffs. Streaky teams run out of gas especially when they play good defensive teams.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Dec 29, 2007 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

i would too
my biggest problem with the offense tonight was jackson shooting 27 times. the game wasn't lost due to poor offense (although it wasn't great), it was lost because there was no defense

by AJC3317 on Dec 29, 2007 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I love Steven Jackson but this shouldn't be
surprising

He is a steak shooter who is close to a 40% guy his whole career and he is being asked this year to do more than he ever has

He could easily be sub 40% this year from the field and around 30% on 3's

All in all you take the good with the bad and they are much much better with him and much thinner than they seemed at the start of the year

by Zig on Dec 28, 2007 10:04 PM PST reply actions  

Streaky team
but they are fun to watch

Personally I'd like to see a little more of AB and some minutes for Brandon Wright but all and all they  overachieve

by Zig on Dec 28, 2007 10:07 PM PST reply actions  

TOs
4 Turnovers from Matt Barnes
most could have been easily prevented
but pretty much everyone scored.

Pietrus & Az had 5 points each
everyone else that played had 10 or more

by gby822 on Dec 28, 2007 10:17 PM PST reply actions  

Barnes' forced passing killed us
You know, Karl had them playin the outlet passing lanes so well, we shot ourselves in the foot with those stupid passes.  You got the steal, now don't force it.  If you have to dribble, do it until an angle opens up.  

by eshock @ Golden State Of Mind on Dec 28, 2007 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

For everyone bashing on Jack
lest you forget that he is one of the top, if not the number one instrumental part to our recent success. Sure he shoots alot and is very streaky, with tonight being a prime example, but we wouldn't be anywhere near our current record without him. Let him do his thing and watch us win more games then we lose. Playoffs '08. We believe.

by WarriorForLife on Dec 28, 2007 10:18 PM PST reply actions  

The 3
Why the 3?

Everytime the score is close and we're about to take the lead, we end up settling for a 3 point shot rather than working for a good 2 pointer.  It seems like these Warriors want to drop the bomb and get everyone excited by nailing a 3.

What happens next?  A missed 3 and it leads up to a Nugget basket.  Again we're down and have to crawl our way up again.  

It seems like the players know the score in the back of their mind and when they're tied or down 1 or 2, it's like they have to shoot a 3.  36 attempts!

by AntiLaker on Dec 28, 2007 10:46 PM PST reply actions  

well...
baron tried to pass to harrington=fail.

The worst part is this game would have had a better chance being won in overtime... melo had 5 fouls!! we coulda fouled him out and won in OT.

by saintdee on Dec 29, 2007 12:45 AM PST up reply actions  

comcast
acting up again. game starts with about 2 mins left in the first quater
art by jnazaire 07

by disguy on Dec 28, 2007 11:30 PM PST reply actions  

um
you did know there was a sharks game that was during the warriors game so they started the game on fsn+ and than the game ended with 2 min left in the first
What you thought that I only played basketball? I AM A Golden State WARRIOR!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Dec 29, 2007 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

On top
On top of all this, the Blazers keep winning. Jeez.

by jtoj on Dec 29, 2007 4:02 AM PST reply actions  

Man that hurts
Baron was right there...tie the score up. Youre at home! Melo with 5 fouls. Overtime would been a much better option...

Maybe they were going for the dagger because the Nuggets were in control 99% of the game. Warriors seemed timid settling for eight thousand (8000) jumpers. Either way my body was shaking after that game from all the adrenaline! The Laker game didn't even do that to me.

I gotta get over to yardbarker and talk Shot selection with The Baron.

by Golden Gate Warrior on Dec 29, 2007 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

Denver
is a Utah-like matchup for us. Didn'y they drop 140 on us in regulation last year? We just have a difficult time with them. Nellie needs to come up with something or a repeat will be on display Sunday.

by triplesix on Dec 29, 2007 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

DEFENSE!
I didn't see the game, but I could tell they forgot that what got them back into this season was their DEFENSIVE intensity. Their best offense comes with defense, and lately, I've noticed that their have been more defensive lapses.

Sunday will be tough. I was hoping that we could at least split this home and home. The next couple of weeks will tell a LOT about this team.

Where the !@#$ are you now, Billy Owens????

by Manute4Three on Dec 29, 2007 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

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