What about J-Rich for Kirilenko?

by San Francisco Slim on Feb 18, 2007 2:21 PM PST

Just idle conversation, but I think this trade would make sense for both teams.

Kirilenko is having an off-year and Sloan has apparently had it with him. The Jazz have been looking for a quality big guard for some time and Jason certainly fits that bill.

The trade would work salary-cap wise, although the Warriors would be taking on the bigger salary, which is another reason that the Jazz may be interested.

AK-47 isn't the true PF that the Warriors need, but he would improve their rebounding and defense. Warriors would start Harrington and AK as two tweener forwards, with Baron and Jackson as the starting guards and Monta and Pietrus off the bench. Kirilenko's blocks and steals would be a great way for the Warriors to ignite their fastbreak.

Also, J-Rich and AK-47 are the same age almost to the day. What do you think?

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Might be a good deal

Normally I don't like the trade JRich thoughts but since Jason is getting so little love from GSofM lately I think I'd enjoy seeing him go to a team where he'd be appreciated and would have a chance at a championship ring. If it has to be then AK47 would be a great player to have here.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 18, 2007 2:51 PM PST 0 recs

I vote no

I think it'd be unwise to trade JRich now when his value is at its lowest. And I don't like the idea of giving up one our best players to a team that's likely to be one of our prime competitors in the West over the next 3-4 years (speaking optimistically, of course). I'd sooner trade Baron, as I've argued plenty of times before, but of course they're rock solid at PG with Deron. The guy I'd really love to flip for AK47 would be Harrington -- slight downgrade for us in offense, but a big upgrade in rebounding and D. Unfortunately, the salaries don't match, so we'd likely have to wait till the offseason to do it. Maybe AH and Pietrus (sign-trade) for Kirilenko? The salaries woukd match up, at least. Couple that with the blockbuster Baron for Kidd deal, and we have a dreamy 2007/08 starting lineup of:

1 Kidd
2 Monta
3 JRich
4 Kirilenko
5 Biedrins

Nice, huh? But, yeah, hard to imagine Utah would be that hot to deal for either AH or Pietrus. Can you imagine MP3 playing for Jerry Sloan? I guess overall I just don't see them as a very likely trading partner.

But hey Slim, on an unrelated note: is there a reason for the misspelling of "San Francisco" in your screen name?

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 18, 2007 3:33 PM PST 0 recs

First Off,

I'm a notoriously bad typist, so mangling the beautiful city of SF on my handle was an unintentional mess up. I mean no disrespect to the city or it's people.

You probably know this as well as I do, but there is a much much better chance that J-Rich will be traded rather than Harrington. Mullin had been trying to land AH for most of a year - it is really unlikely he would be traded at this point. Richardson and Jaxson play the same postion, but Stephen Jax would be difficult to trade and wouldn't warrant much in return.

The Warriors frontcourt is still a work in progress and their best value to trade is Richardson. There is a reason the Warriors landed BD for only Speedy Claxton and Dale Davis. He doesn't have dynamite trade value, due to a fragile body, a big salary and the inability to get along with coaches. No, the conventional wisdom is that if the Warriors want to get value back, J-Rich is the guy to trade.

But as you said, J-Rich probably won't get maximum value back until teams are sure that he is a 100% healthy, which he hasn't been at all thus far this season. However, I think the Jazz might pull the trigger now, upon seeing the condiditon of Richardson's knee. But, most likely, Richardson will be traded this summer.

by San Francisco Slim on Feb 18, 2007 5:31 PM PST up 0 recs

Don't get me wrong,

I would prefer to put Harrington in the trade rather than J-rich, as well. I just don't think Mullin is looking to trade Harrington, at this point. If it was Harrington, maybe we could get them to take Cabarkapa instead of Mickeal, seeing how they both have expiring contracts and that AK's trade value is dropping and Harrington is having a good year, etc..

by San Francisco Slim on Feb 19, 2007 9:21 AM PST up 0 recs

How come

after one unproductive, injury plagued season so many people want to trade JRich? This is the first time he's been out for so long and some don't even want to give him a chance to prove he can still be the JR of old. Amare took a while to get back to all-star form, can't we give JR at least the rest of the season? But regarding this trade, isn't AK-47 as injury prone as Baron?

by bayagrow on Feb 18, 2007 3:37 PM PST 0 recs

good point

and amare's injuries were worse. my vote...don't trade jrich

by travisl212 on Feb 19, 2007 10:25 PM PST up 0 recs

i wouldnt give

jrich but id put mp and foyle up... but not jrich... he means alot to the franchise

gdubb

by gogomaplata on Feb 18, 2007 5:15 PM PST 0 recs

Kirilenko

I don't like the idea of trading an all star for somebody who is having an "off year"

by BiedrinsORBust on Feb 18, 2007 9:09 PM PST 0 recs

Um, Utah's probably saying the same thing

Perspective: Isn't J-Rich also having an off year? Isn't Kirilenko also an all-star?

I like the idea of looking into "buying low" on AK47 -- but I don't think we ought to "sell low" on JRich.

by Sleepy Freud on Feb 18, 2007 10:54 PM PST up 0 recs

kind of

JRich is having an off year because of injury, AK is having an off year because he isnt playing well.

by BiedrinsORBust on Feb 19, 2007 8:19 AM PST up 0 recs

Did I Miss Something?

In what league was J-Rich an All-Star? The frosh-soph games and slam dunks, as spectacular as they are, don't count. Afterall, a lot of medicore players have been in those competitions. AK-47 actually made the regular All-Star team and in the West, where it's more difficult to make it as a front court player than a guard - just ask Elton Brand.

Listen, a healthy J-Rich is one of the top half dozen or so shooting guards in the league, but coming into this season, AK is easily the better player.

Their PERs the last four seasons:

AK 20.71, JR 19.28
AK 24.44, JR 19.00
AK 22.79, JR 16.81
AK 21.22, JR 14.77

Last season, when Boozer was out, the Jazz were 36-27 when AK started, 5-14 when he was a sub and 3-10 when he didn't play. One problem AK-47 is having this season, the first where both Boozer and him have played at the same time, is adjusting to playing outside offensively, since Boozer is always in the block. AK's shooting has been dismal.

The big gamble with AK is whether or not injuries are effecting his slump, ecspecially considering his Baron-like contract. He has apparently been fighting off back spasms all season. But he hasn't been Baron-like fragile throughout his career. He missed 41 games two years ago with a broken wrist and a knee injury, but that's pretty much been it.

It's an interesting call. As Sleepy Freud pointed out, both players have low values at this point. But I do think that the Warriors, influenced by Nellie, are going to take this sort of gamble sooner than later to try and improve themselves.

by San Francisco Slim on Feb 19, 2007 9:50 AM PST up 0 recs

ewweweew

PER is a stupid ass statistic.

If you take a look out of your windows, you can now see Dallas, TX. Quite the site, no?

by coma on Feb 19, 2007 4:44 PM PST up 0 recs

Well

with that type of remark, there's no sense in me arguing about the analystic merits of the statistic, as I think it might fall upon death ears.

by San Francisco Slim on Feb 19, 2007 6:32 PM PST up 0 recs

J-rich has never been an All Star

by Zig on Feb 19, 2007 2:36 PM PST up 0 recs

AK47...

He barely puts full seasons together, let alone consistent games. The only thing consistent is his shot blocking and D... and even that's off this year. He is highly overrated and is definately not worth his $89 mil contract! J-Rich @ $70 mil >>>>> Kirilenko @ $89 mil!!!!!

by mightymadskillz on Feb 18, 2007 9:32 PM PST 0 recs

NO NO NO NO NO

It's already been said, but just give Jason a chance to heal. We need to see him, Baron, and the rest of the homies on the court at 100% before any serious trade talk can be made. Fortunately, it ain't up to us, the Peanut Gallery

by KCBS Warrior Fan on Feb 19, 2007 10:08 AM PST 0 recs

hahahaha

funny last comment. but your exactly right. it would be stupid to make drastic changes to the roster right now when we havent seen our roster even play together. i believe that we shouldnt trade any starters and we should only maybe trade pietrus and a bench player for like a big man or somehting but nothing drastic

by travisl212 on Feb 19, 2007 10:29 PM PST up 0 recs

Go for it

Kirilenko would be a great addition.

If you're building around Monta and Biedrins, Kirilenko would bring some permeater defense which is going to make Biedrins a more effective defender and player without raking up all the fouls. I'd say try and throw Harrington out infront.

Imagine the shot blocking capability you'd have... hell, pick up Darko in free agency, him at 5, Biedrins at 4, and Kirilenko at 3, no one would ever get a shot off on your team.

by Biedrins Will Break You on Feb 19, 2007 12:30 PM PST 0 recs

hell noooo!!!!

no way, not doing it. never mind that j-rich is the face and heart and soul of this team and has played through numerous injuries and given everything on the court.never mind also that he has a work ethic you just don't find in pro atheletes these days always coming back with something new to his game because he works his ass off in the off season. how many more time do you want to see the warriors get rid of a guy only to watch him not just become an all star and watch said player take his new team over the hump to get to the playoffs, but we would have to see him four times a year and don't you know he would destroy the warriors everytime out!!! jr is a true warrior for LIFE!!!!

by ruderu22 on Feb 20, 2007 5:14 PM PST 0 recs