Don Nelson pretty much concedes playoffs on KNBR

by gsdubz on Feb 4, 2007 8:27 PM PST

I guess there was a Don Nelson show early Thursday on KNBR. He was drowning his sorrows in a bar in Philadelphia lol.

I've taken it upon myself to cite many key points in this extensive interview. I know it is a lot but trust me this interview was long and Nellie said a lot!! This is just some of the info, listen for yourselves to hear everything he said. Nellie tells it like it is and pretty much concedes defeat for the playoffs but with the right attitude. I know some angry comments may arise, but please respond to what he says thoroughly before you get crazy! Don't shoot the messenger!

Re: 2 blowouts to begin road trip?

Atlanta loss better than Cleveland, Atlanta played well, were ready, made all 1st q shots, we fell apart

Bottom line: we're on a tough trip, tryin like hell, not gettin it done.

Re: Baron comments, "some guys dont know how to prepare for games, shows in their play?"

Sometimes players make dumb comments and they look different on paper than they're meant.

He thought the locker room was loose but I judge the players on the court.

Re: 3/35 in first 2 road games behind the arc?

We're not a deep team. Monta injury/JR's been out, not a strong bench. We've been dodging bullets, it's starting to catch up with us.

People are playing ahead of where they should be. They don't have the juice.

Re: Playoffs?

We are what we are, we're not a playoff team, it will be obvious in a week or two [whether we are].

This has nothing to do with the team, pleased with trade, but we're in the process of building something that may be special [future tense].

Bottom line, we're a small team, we don't have a shot blocker because we don't have good defenders, we can't lose Biedrins and he gets in foul trouble every game because others can't defend their man.

The playoff chances, it is what it is, I love the trade that was made, we got more building to do.

We still have hope , we're not trying to lie to anybody.

If we're not gonna achieve it, we'll be honest and move on.

Re: Trade

We've done a good job with the trade , before we were locked for 5 years with the same team we had.

I don't care if fate would have had it that we had to lose every game, I would have made that trade today, made it tomorrow, and moved on.

That was the first step in building the team.

- The [new] guys are in a tough spot right now. We make a major trade and expect them to harness up and make like they've been through training camp, it doesn't work that way.

Re: The 3 that ended the 1st quarter in Atlanta, reports said he hounded Jackson.

- No it was Foyle, (just like Tim Roye said on KNBR live), who let that 3 go. I played him one possession and he let the guy go down and walk by him and shoot a 3, that really bothers me, I'm reluctant to play the guy the rest of the game.

Re: Road woes

- B/c we're small, terrible rebounding team, and PF isn't great rebounder. Biedrins is the only reboudner , and he's a small center.

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The man...

Knows what he's talking about. I like his honesty and somewhat hidden optimism.

by bradyk2 on Feb 4, 2007 9:07 PM PST 0 recs

Thanks man

Great job summarizing the interview.

The Don Nelson show is better than the majority of TV shows out there! It's THAT good.

by Atma Brother ONE on Feb 4, 2007 10:02 PM PST 0 recs

Heard the interview and his honesty confirmed

what I have been telling myself all along...that, barring an absolute miracle, we arent a .500 team, let alone making the playoffs.

Championship Parade Route Starts on Hegenberger

by cobra kai on Feb 5, 2007 12:29 PM PST 0 recs

Don Nelson

is as confused about the Warriors' salary situatiion as everybody else.

The trading of salaries in the big trade helped, but only somewhat. Here:

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state.htm

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/indiana.htm

The salaries aren't that different. The Warriors save $3 million a year over the next four seasons and then $23 million in 2010/2011, which, the last time I checked, is a long time from now. The $3 million/yr. does not effect their salary cap situation. Barring Houdini-like deals, they will be over the salary cap until the 2009/2010 season regardless of whether they had made this trade or not.

It worries me that Nelson keeps stating that this trade gives them cap flexability. Like, maybe he doesn't know what he is talking about? Not a reassuring sign.

by San Francisco Slim on Feb 5, 2007 1:48 PM PST 0 recs

Salaries aren't that different? Uhh, yeah they are

> The salaries aren't that different.

10/11 is a long time from now, but losing the 22.5 million accounted to Dunny/Murphy that year will allow the warriors to resign Beidrins and Monta (especially if he gets a back loaded deal). So maybe it's not cap flexibility per se, but it does allow you to keep the young guys we all like so much.

In the grand scheme, I think that it's better to have someone at 10 million a year for 3 years that is in your long term plans (Al), and Jax at 7 mil for 3 years, who may not be in your plans, than it is to have two guys who were dead weight to Nellie (Murphy/Dunny) and are inked for 4 more years at 20+ Mil a year combined.

Manute Bol stole my lunch money

by manute-o on Feb 5, 2007 3:22 PM PST up 0 recs

Salaries aren't different re: salary cap

None of the four traded player's salaries have any effect on potential contract extentions for Ellis and Beidrins. Check the salary links I posted. Ellis and Beidrins' contracts are up at the end of next season, two years before Jackson and Harrington's contracts expire.

The Warriors can sign Ellis/Beidren's to new contracts regardless of any of the four traded player's contracts.

I'm not sure if you understand how the salary cap works. You can sign you own players to new contracts, regardless of whether you are over the salary cap or not.

At any rate, the Warrior's will not be below the salary cap until after the 2008/2009 season, when Davis's and Foyle's contracts expire. This trade doesn't effct that.

by San Francisco Slim on Feb 5, 2007 11:08 PM PST up 0 recs

sure they do

Just becuase you can resign your players doesn't mean that the warriors would given the luxery tax penalties for being too far over the cap. It would be much more feasable for Cohen to stomach that penalty for a year (or even two, assuming we can't move Jax's expiring deal) than it would for the three years they would have had to with the previous contracts. Also, once you hit the luxery tax a three million dollar difference in salary is essentially 6 million to the owner, so the fact that Jax+Al is cheaper is significant. Considering the fact that both Monta's and Beidrins deal will get larger over time, the earlier we free up dead weight the better. I stand by my statement that getting rid of those deals does affect our ability to resign our young guys.

Manute Bol stole my lunch money

by manute-o on Feb 6, 2007 12:30 PM PST up 0 recs

Here are some facts

Try these:

As of now, The Warriors will likely have over $20 million to play with before they hit the Luxury Tax during the 2008/2009 season (when Biedrins/Ellis would start new contracts). According to their current contracts the Warriors payroll will be $55.5 million in 2008/2009. The Luxury Tax is on a pace to be at a $78 million level by then.

So, Biedrins and Ellis's contracts won't effect the Warriors luxury tax, unless the two players have already established themselves as stars (great news!), or the Warriors have somehow added new contracts, which they can just barely do though veteran minimum and mid-level exception contracts.

The additional three million a year, would again unlikely have made any difference with either the salary cap OR luxury tax.

You can like the trade for other reasons, which I do, but to like it for salary cap and luxury tax reasons is just plain goofy. But you're in good company. Nelson and most of the journalists (who just haven't researched the evidence) agree with you.

by San Francisco Slim on Feb 6, 2007 9:30 PM PST up 0 recs

it's nice to finally understand

what exactly is going on this season. It kind of stinks that he basically says Foyle is useless. Do you think there is anyway that if the warriors fall from contention completely that foyle will get more PT and boost his trade value?

winter soccer

by baumerworld on Feb 5, 2007 4:11 PM PST 0 recs