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Dungleavy, Murphy still on honeymoon with Pacers

Great article on insidebayarea.com about how Murphleavy still suck, but they're winning so noone's paying attention.

Loved this dig from Junior directed towards us:

"They've played well," Carlisle said. "Every passing week, they're getting more comfortable with what we're doing. They work hard. ... Both those guys, they're basketball players."

Yup, the honeymoon is still on.

Dunleavy said he hasn't been this happy since he was at Duke. He practically glows when talking about his new home, and how his full game is appreciated, his basketball IQ, his passing skills, his team play.

"People there are excited to have me there," Dunleavy said. "The feeling is reciprocated. They understand basketball. They appreciate good basketball."

Everyday I wake up and thank Xenu that Dunleavy is no longer on this team.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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what in the F are you talking about?
The Pacers have lost 6 in a row and dropped to 7th place.  They might not even make the playoffs, this is just propaganda to make sure their fans don't turn on them lololol

honeymoon my arse.


It ain't EASY, stoppin' TOO EASY

by gsdubz on Mar 7, 2007 8:12 AM PST reply actions  

Even w/dropping the last six games IN A ROW...
...they are still at .500 since the trade.  WTF are you talking about?

by GameSix on Mar 7, 2007 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

actually
they are a bit below .500 with a record of 9-11 since the trade.  14 of those 20 were home games.  although i dont know how much of an advantage it was since the pacers have low attendance.

by jngai on Mar 7, 2007 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Oops, my bad
Either way they were still playing well.  Maybe now the honeymoon ends and they're exposed.  

by GameSix on Mar 7, 2007 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

you feel stupid huh?
lololol

good 'ol gsom'ers, makin sure we all get our facts straight!


It ain't EASY, stoppin' TOO EASY

by gsdubz on Mar 7, 2007 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really
You still missed the point of what I was sayin there gdubz

by GameSix on Mar 8, 2007 6:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Charmin Soft Twins in Indiana
I'm really glad the boys have found a place they enjoy.  Mully set them up for life so let them enjoy their retirement in the East.  And if the Pacers and Clippers don't make the playoffs, maybe the Clippers will let Dunleavy Sr. out of his contract so Jr can be even more comfortable with his daddy coaching him.  Sweet.

by commish on Mar 7, 2007 8:39 AM PST reply actions  

The little whiny prick!
Awww ... we don't understand "good basketball." We don't appreciate his "high basketball IQ." Sniffle...

My question is this: how is it that in our infinitely diverse Warriors Universe, just about the only thing agreed on by everyone -- from Nellie to Atma to Kawakami to GSDubz -- is that getting rid of Junior was a frigging Godsend?

I think I may need to go post this on the Pacers' blog:

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 7, 2007 8:43 AM PST reply actions  

Haha
I've always been meaning to ask you- how do you make those Wheaties boxes? Is there an image uploader somewhere or did you just use your photoshop skills?

by Atma Brother ONE on Mar 7, 2007 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Just trusty old Photoshop
The box came from Google images. Simple matter of erasing what was on the box (some kid's face, I think, from some promotional "your own face on a Wheaties box" campaign), cropping out the iconic Dunleavy/Newble shot and pasting it on.

Hey, while we're on the subject, I wanted to ask if there are any copyright restrictions on images at GSoM. For example, a couple of weeks back I couldn't find a good close-up of a current player in a THE CITY jersey, so I went to ESPN, clicked on one of the recent game images -- which don't have their own separate url, so presumably aren't meant to be linked to -- uploaded it to my flickr site, and posted it here. Is this acceptable behavior? Where do you guys get all your cool images?

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 7, 2007 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Images
It's really a very, very, very fuzzy topic. I honestly don't have or know the answers to it. Our policy is just make the best attempt to give credit where credits due.

Most of our game images come from the AP and Getty via Yahoo Warrior image feeds.

by Atma Brother ONE on Mar 7, 2007 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not nice to call people "prick"
Please refrain from contaminating this blog with negative vibes and pg-13 rated insults, even if it's at horrible players that were ruining our team and you have hilarious photoshopped pictures to proove your point. I prefer the term "doody-head" when talking about mike dunleavy

by KCBS Warrior Fan on Mar 7, 2007 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

dot dot dot.
I hope you're joking.

Playoffs in '07, baby!

by coma @ Golden State Of Mind on Mar 7, 2007 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah
I'm totally joking. Never been a fan of Doucheleavy and wish I had the time and energy to be creative like Sleepy

by KCBS Warrior Fan on Mar 7, 2007 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

lol
hahahaha.

Playoffs in '07, baby!

by coma @ Golden State Of Mind on Mar 7, 2007 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Try reading the actual quote
Dunleavy didn't say anything about "high basketball IQ" or "good basketball".  He just said it feels good to be appreciated, which is about as straightforward a statement as one can make.  Why is everyone so convinced he's a bad person?  

Clearly he's only marginally talented, but because he plays hard and generally makes good decisions, he's a serviceable backup.  Calling him spoiled, or whiny, or any other irrelevant thing is just rationalization for the real issue, which is that he's a bust.  You can't directly blame him for his draft position so you invent reasons to hate him.  Relative to the rest of the league, most evidence points to him being a fine teammate.

Though the money made the trade worth it for us, basketball-wise, it was a wash at best.  Harrington is completely one-dimensional.  At his best, he's a decent scorer, at worst a ball-hog who kills continuity and doesn't create for anyone else.  Jackson is a little better at creating for others, but he takes a lot of bad shots and is questionable, at best, in the locker room.

by Carney04 on Mar 7, 2007 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

balance
I'd read your synopsis before on the trade and I don't have any major disagreements.  I think you're critique of Dunleavy, as always, is a bit harsh.  I don't think you, or many others, show much objectivity or balance when describing him.  The myths that you list are straw men.  No intelligent person would claim that Dunleavy is a "great shooter" or a "great passer".  And when people call him a "glue guy", that has nothing to do with the locker room.  They're talking about someone who can perform miscellaneous tasks on the court.  

In terms of b-ball IQ, you don't give him any credit, but what many basketball players don't understand or see is that a good passer doesn't necessarily have to get a lot of assists, although that may too occur.  A good passer can just be someone who recognizes opportunities and gets the ball to the right place.  It can be quickly passing the ball up the floor to someone on the wing, who then makes the defense scramble, resulting in a basket by someone else.  Or getting the ball in the right position (either by dribbling or passing) to make an entry pass to the post.  Those kinds of things are invaluable even though they don't show up in the stats and they do show that someone has a good basketball IQ.

by Carney04 on Mar 7, 2007 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

All Good
I don't want to get into another Dunleavy debate since honestly- it really doesn't matter. He's not our problem anymore and we'll only face him twice a year.

I respect that you disagree with my analysis of Dunleavy. It's not an exact science.

by Atma Brother ONE on Mar 7, 2007 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

In fairness
You're right, Carney: the "high basketball IQ" part came from the body of the article, not from a direct quote, so it's hard to say whether Junior said it. But his comment about how the Indiana fans "appreciate good basketball" does seem to me to be a backhanded slap at Warrior fans -- so I responded with a forehanded slap.

Don't really want to re-hash the old "what is about Dunleavy?" debate, except to say that there was clearly something above and beyond his mediocre game that annoyed people. Again, the Foyle comparison: also a high, wasted first round pick, also a bad contract, also a disappointment as a player, but somehow much more beloved by fans. Obviously I don't know them personally, but for me Foyle always comes off as thoughtful and a good guy, while Dunleavy always seemed petulant and whiny. Sure, the fact that he's a privileged, white son-of-a-coach who went to Duke doesn't help his case. And those "Drunkleavy" photos that were posted here a few weeks ago just cemented my image of him as a spoiled, obnoxious fratboy (sorry if I offended any in the GSoM Greek community).

Still, when he was "one of us" I did try to refrain from hating on him too much. IIRC, one of my earliest posts here was questioning the incessant Dunleavy bashing that went on here. But as long as he's gone, and continuing to make smartass remarks about the Ws and Ws fans, I figure he's totally fair game for flaming. All in good fun, of course.

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 7, 2007 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Those fans are wrong.
Don't really want to re-hash the old "what is about Dunleavy?" debate, except to say that there was clearly something above and beyond his mediocre game that annoyed people.

Outside of where he was picked, I think his body language was probably a factor.  The only time he showed emotion was when he was whining about a call.  Still, I think it was mostly his on-court failures that made people not like him.  He was supposed to be a scorer and clearly he's not.

Again, the Foyle comparison: also a high, wasted first round pick, also a bad contract, also a disappointment as a player, but somehow much more beloved by fans. Obviously I don't know them personally, but for me Foyle always comes off as thoughtful and a good guy, while Dunleavy always seemed petulant and whiny. Sure, the fact that he's a privileged, white son-of-a-coach who went to Duke doesn't help his case. And those "Drunkleavy" photos that were posted here a few weeks ago just cemented my image of him as a spoiled, obnoxious fratboy (sorry if I offended any in the GSoM Greek community).

Foyle vs. Dunleavy isn't really fair.  For one, Dun was picked 3rd, which is high lottery.  That carries different expectations.  Second, their styles of play are very different and lead to the impression that one is overachieving while the other is underachieving.  Foyle is obviously limited, so any positives he gives are the result of hustle and selling out.  Fans appreciate that kind of stuff (and they should).  Dun, otoh, seems like he should be better than he is and fans are disappointed.  And that's fine, but objectively, even with his limitations, Dun is a more productive player than Foyle.  And if you're a fan of the team, you should recognize that.

As for personalities, who cares?  Foyle is obviously much more worldly and intellectual.  I'd definitely pick him over Dun in a debate or even just to hang out with.  A friend of mind smoked a blunt with Foyle at a club in San Fran, which is awesome (I was suprised to hear it, but as he said, "I'm from the Islands, man").  But fans who are rooting for or against personalities have it wrong.  Its about basketball, and unless someone's personality is hurting the team, it doesn't matter in the slightest.

by Carney04 on Mar 7, 2007 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

get out of here
you're one screwed up dude if you're still on here bitter about dunleavy being hated by warrior fans.  this is the internet bro, most fans who don't blog on the web and just watch on tv and goto games absolutely hate hate hate hate hate this man.   i don't care what you say to defend him or how "harsh" you think we are, you are completely loony if you are actually writing pages and pages on this diary about dunleavy.

the premise of almost every argument you made about him, is his draft position.   i have news for you buddy, Azubuike, who was not even drafted, is a better player than Dunleavy is or ever was.  Think about that before you type another comment which is obviously biased and opinionated probably because you identify with Dunleavy on some sort of personal level, not because he was any sort of respectable player.  


It ain't EASY, stoppin' TOO EASY

by gsdubz on Mar 7, 2007 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Reading comprehension
you're one screwed up dude if you're still on here bitter about dunleavy being hated by warrior fans.  this is the internet bro, most fans who don't blog on the web and just watch on tv and goto games absolutely hate hate hate hate hate this man.   i don't care what you say to defend him or how "harsh" you think we are, you are completely loony if you are actually writing pages and pages on this diary about dunleavy.

You're delusional.  I didn't start this diary.  My initial comment was actually to wonder why so many so-called fans are such haters.  I think it says more about them, or should I say "you", then it does the player they're talking about.

If you're really objective about it, and understand what good, winning basketball is about, then you can separate personality from value (the exception being when someone's personality actually hurts the team).

the premise of almost every argument you made about him, is his draft position.   i have news for you buddy, Azubuike, who was not even drafted, is a better player than Dunleavy is or ever was.  Think about that before you type another comment which is obviously biased and opinionated probably because you identify with Dunleavy on some sort of personal level, not because he was any sort of respectable player.

Again, delusional.  I mentioned draft position, but also style of play and statistical value (or lack thereof).  Just so you know, it helps to read something before you respond to it.  You may learn that better next year, when you start high school.  

And as for Azubuike, what is your point?  He was actually a really good college player, and I was surprised he wasn't picked.  NBA GMs consistently take potential and good workouts over proven college guys, which doesn't make sense, and has been widely criticized.  How does Arenas fall to where he did?

My point was that Dun was a bust at #3 and that's one of the reasons people disliked him so much.  What does that have to do with Azubuike?  Again, say it with me this time, READING COMPREHENSION.

by Carney04 on Mar 8, 2007 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know....
I kinda feel like the whole "he's a #3 that's why everyone hates him" might be a little overblown.  The casual fan (the ones who fill up the arena, boo) likely has no idea in what slot he was drafted.  Hard to prove that unless we stand outside of the O and take a survey...but not a stretch of the imagination, either.  People boo him because he sucks.

by GameSix on Mar 9, 2007 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Your personal bias
Comes from the fact that you probably identify with Dunleavy on a personal basis... meaning, you're probably white and symathize with the guy.  That's the common pattern I have seen with the few insance individuals that have actually tried to defend Dunleavy on this forum.

It also explains why you attack people's READING COMPREHENSION in a freakin forum.  What's next, you're gonna tell me the SAT's are fair?  lol.

You're ridiculous.


It ain't EASY, stoppin' TOO EASY

by gsdubz on Mar 9, 2007 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

And that isn't an attack
I'm just pointing out, like I did earlier, that since you have no argument whatsoever to defend Dunleavy in any way, there must be a personal bias involved.  You sound like you're attacking when you come on here and say I don't have READING COMPREHENSION and I have not gone to high school.  It's called "dominate cultural bias", go look it up at whatever institution you received your education at.

It ain't EASY, stoppin' TOO EASY

by gsdubz on Mar 9, 2007 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Its sad
where you took this.  All I was saying was that people seem to hate Dunleavy so much that they can't objectively analyze what he says, what his value is, and what the results of the trade were.  I have no idea why you think that means I "identify" with him or what that has to do with "dominant cultural bias".

But to save you some future embarrassment, let me just say this.  The "dominant cultural bias" exists in all cultures and sub-cultures.  It shouldn't be used haphazardly or as an excuse because you didn't take the time to understand what I was saying.  Nothing that I said requires that you have any particular class or race.  It just requires that you read and comprehend it.  There are many things in Oakland that are obstacles and that marginalize poorer folks, and those things are serious and shouldn't be trivialized.  If you were from the town or you were a product of the OPS, you'd realize that and wouldn't say what you said.

by Carney04 on Mar 9, 2007 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

It's sad where YOU took this
Nice try turning it around.

It ain't EASY, stoppin' TOO EASY

by gsdubz on Mar 10, 2007 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm honored!!!!
That you would mention me in a group with GSOM hall of famers:  Nellie to Atma to Kawakami to GSDubz

Thanks man!  And props to you on that awesome wheaties box.


It ain't EASY, stoppin' TOO EASY

by gsdubz on Mar 7, 2007 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

haha
ive seen that picture like 1000 times already and i still laugh at it! lol

by 24k state fan since 87 on Mar 7, 2007 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Really what do you expect him to
say?  The fans here booed him.  I can't expect he is going to come out and say he is phyiscally over matched everynight and can't find hit his shot consistently

I never hated him as much as others did I guess.  I still think he is going to be a decent player.  I guess I always felt his limitation were more physical than anything

For some reason I disliked Murphy way more.

by Zig on Mar 7, 2007 8:50 AM PST reply actions  

I'd expect him to say
Exactly what he said, because he's a spoiled, whiny little prick with a crappy attitude.

If he were, you know, a basically good guy, I'd expect him to say what any basically good guy would say: "I had a great time on the Warriors and I wish them and their fans the best, but I'm happy here now and I'm moving on..."

I probably preferred Dunleavy's game to Murphy's, but from everything I read/saw, I liked Murphy the person a million times better better than Junior.

The illegitimate child of Murphleavy?

by Sleepy Freud on Mar 7, 2007 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I take a different stance.
I'm very happy for junior. Having followed him since his days at Duke, i'm happy to see he's at a place having fun, and playing better.  He never worked well here, and the fans had a right to boo, but i'm happy he's in a good fit now.
i'm even happier that he's gone and we have TMNT and SJax, though. :)

by bradyk2 on Mar 7, 2007 9:26 AM PST reply actions  

I guess.....
it doesn't matter if they're playing well or not, they WERE NOT playing well for the Warriors and we were able to get rid of them.  If the Dunmurphy sisters are playing well for the Pacers, then, good for them.
The fact is that we have Harrington and Jackson now and they are starting to play great for the Warriors, so everybody's happy.

by semarubaka on Mar 8, 2007 9:10 PM PST reply actions  

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