Free KOBE!

by dj fuzzylogic on May 30, 2007 2:32 PM PDT in News

Laker or not? Forget the Free KG campaign, its all about FREE KOBE!

(and while we're at it, how about FREE YAO!)

Kobe's controversial statement "I would like to be traded" resonated throughout the NBA and the internet. Even though he's already rescinded his offer, it's no surprise that this superstar is frustrated with his current condition in LA. Kobe drama has been well documented publicly -- the feud between him and Shaq, him and Phil Jackson, and of course the alleged rape case in Colorado.

But in all honesty, if I played with underachieving scrubs like Brian Cook and Sasha Vujacic, boneheads like Smush Parker, and losers like Kwame Brown, I would probably be pretty irritated too. Kobe's Lakers are looking more like Paul Pierce and the Celtics of the West. I'm sure being on Karl Malone, Mitch Richmond, and Gary Payton's farewell tour, rather than trying to snag some young talent, probably wasn't any better.

Truehoop breaks down more details and he even offers up his own trade scenarios as well. Check it out!

As much as I hate Kobe right now for playing for the Lakers, it would be interesting to see him in some midnight blue and orange. Better yet, how about some throwback gold? Cable cars look good on any superstar. But more importantly, we might see Jessica Alba-lite in the stands:

While we're at it, would you like Kobe on the Warriors? What kind of scenarios can we come up with?

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I just Posted this...

In the "trouble in lakerland" Diary but I guess I'll post it here too.

I hate Kobe and I think if he is traded he will go to the east but this is a W's blog so I'll just throw out another trade proposal and think about how fun it would be to watch Kobe score 50per under Nellie.

Lakers get:
J-Rich
Monta
TMNHarrington
Sarunas
POB

Ws get:
Kobe
Vlad Rad
Sasha V

This would give the Lakers a ton of fire power some potential and a small expiring contract. Plus they have had some issues w/ Radmonovndaslk and this would get rid of him.
The warriors would...well we would get Kobe.
It would not solve any of our current problems but Kobe and Baron together would be NASTY.

Ws Lineup
Baron
Kobe
SJax
Vlad
AB

The bench would be paper thin. we would have to get lucky in the draft and hopefully we could scrape together enough cash to resign Barnes.

This will never happen but I think every team in the L needs to give it a shot when a top level talent becomes available, and if by some chance the Lakers were interested I would pull the trigger in a heart beat.

by olympicmike on May 30, 2007 2:40 PM PDT 0 recs

naw

im cool. your saying to trade away two of my favorite players and get someone i hate plus some suckas

by travisl212 on May 30, 2007 10:33 PM PDT up 0 recs

ouch

It hurts my head just thinking about it. Yes, I know Kobe is a baller. But being a self-professed Kobe hater, I literally cannot imagine him in a Warrior uniform. The thought of having that type of talent on our squad is intriguing, until I try to imagine myself yelling "GO KOBE!"

Now, there is no way in hell I would put my scorching hate for Kobe above the greater good of the Warriors, so if it were to happen, then so be it.

With that said...I like our team and we don't need to give up everyone for him. We need to focus our efforts elsewhere.

by Genejo on May 30, 2007 2:52 PM PDT 0 recs

ABB.

Anybody but Baron and Biedrins.

A nucleus of Baron, Kobe, and Biedrins is good enough to go all the way, with well-chosen role players. I'd be disapppointed if we didn't at least offer some version of the Monta/JRich/Harrington package that's been proposed here. It might not be the best offer LA will get, but it works pretty well in terms of salary, and actually leaves them with a pretty hot starting five:

Monta (hey, he's a better PG than Smush)
Richardson
Harrington
Odom
Bynum
----
++ Walton, Kwame, Parker, Vladrad, etc.

Meanwhile...

Baron
Kobe
Jax
Player X
Biedrins
----
++ #18 pick , Barnes, Buki, Powell, etc.

Personally, I'd see if the #18 pick, plus maybe Pietrus (sign/trade) could land us Ron Artest.

A starting five of Baron, Kobe, Jackson, Artest, and Biedrins? Book your NBA Finals tickets, if we don't implode first...

by Sleepy Freud on May 30, 2007 3:06 PM PDT 0 recs

Where would Artest play?

Stephen Jackson is not going anywhere, and he doesn't rebound enough for a small forward, much less a 4.

On value, #18 and Pietrus might be about even given Artest's situation, but financially, we would be stuck with Artest, Jackson, Baron, Kobe, Biedrins, and that would be crippling since we would have no bench or starting PF and such a volatile cast of personalities.

Dreaming about Kobe's enough of a stretch!

Side note:
From what I hear from some guys in LA, this is really just a ton of drama. For all we know, Kobe might turn around tomorrow and say "Lakers for life!"

Dude needs a hug.

by OptionZero on May 30, 2007 3:53 PM PDT up 0 recs

He would play the 4

If Barnes/AL/Pietrus can play the 4 in Nellieball, you better believe Artest could play the 4. The man is huge.

by Dubs4Life on May 30, 2007 4:03 PM PDT up 0 recs

Artest = Nellieball PF

A bit undersized at 6'7" 245, but he's a better rebounder and shotblocker than Harrington (our regular season PF) and certainly better tha Jax (our playoff PF). We'd obviously need another big athletic body to help AB defend the rim, but then we need that as it is.

The $$$ and bench depth would be an issue. We'd probably have to convince Barnes to sign for below market to play with a his buddy BD on a championship contender. Maybe we grab Sean Williams with the 2nd rounder (or, if necessary, by packaging the two 2nd rounders) and hope he can keep his head in the game and bang and play tough rim defense for 15-20 minutes a game. Whatever personality issues Williams might have would be a drop in the bucket on a team with Artest, Jackson, and Kobe...

Your friend is probably right that the Kobe flap willl all blow over, but that's precisely why we should make an aggressive offer right now. Only takes one itchy trigger...

by Sleepy Freud on May 30, 2007 4:13 PM PDT up 0 recs

Artest at the 4?

We could probably get away with it on defense, because Artest is very long and strong and we've got the defensive rotation down pretty well now.

Unfortunately, I'm not sold that Artest against bigger 4's will be a better rebounder than even Harrington. Remember, Jackson at the other wing position is a rebounding gap as well for whatever reason. For a 6'8 athletic, long player, it's kinda sad, almost like Dunleavy bricking so much despite being a Coach's Son.

Heads up everyone, ESPN has two articles up. The Marc Stein one doesn't have any trade proposals per se, just possible destinations. It does chronicle this whole saga and is good reading. The Simmons' article has 7 trade proposals which are more or less acceptable. He has the Lakers getting alot more in return (such as Gordon AND Deng, or Gerald green, Al jefferson AND the pick) than I would have suspected. I guess we'll see just how much Kobe wants to screw the Lakers and how itchy the Lakers are to end this mess.

And yeah, Phoenix could end up with Kobe, Nash, and Garnett. It's sickening how good they are.

by OptionZero on May 30, 2007 4:18 PM PDT up 0 recs

Free ARtest 2.0

Oooh, it's been in the works fellas. I'll drop it soon.

I'm just dying to see what would happen if the Warriors got Artest- and not just to see what would happen in Detroit!

by Atma Brother ONE on May 30, 2007 5:48 PM PDT up 0 recs

You know what I'm sick of?

Nice guy Kobe. Sure, he had to play the part after Rape-Gate in Colorado..but that was then. This is now.

Be the Evil Kobe we know is his real face. Dish out some harder fouls. Start scowling when after you hit clutch shots. Most in your face finger waving and fist pumping after a defensive stop.

Shed the disguise. Reveal your true colors. Embrace the dark side. BE EVIL KOBE.

The City Baron
Evil Kobe
No Jailtime Jackson
Tru Warier
Doctor Doom (Latvia, Latveria, same thing).

by OptionZero on May 30, 2007 6:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

your proposal

are you trying to turn me into a Lakers fan with this lineup?

Monta (hey, he's a better PG than Smush)
Richardson
Harrington
Odom
Bynum

www.TRACKjams.com

by MANUTEs BOLs on May 30, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up 0 recs

interesting

because me and my boy saint were discussing both of these possibilities last night at tha A's game. Actually, we were talking about Artest two weeks ago and the Kobe thing on Monday.

I don't think we give up three of the starting five(so no Harrington if you trade J-Rich and Monta, vise-versa)and probably package draft picks instead. Also, any deal we make has to include shipping off Foyle as well. And definitely hang on to Biedrins and Baron. I don't think it would take much to get Artest right now so Chris Mullin should be all over that.

It would hurt to lose some of our young ballers, especially J-Rich because he has been my favorite Warrior since he was drafted. And of course Monta, etc........but

If you have the goods and the opportunity to make a deal for Kobe, shoot for the title in 2008 and beyond, you do that deal. A backcourt of Davis and Bryant would be silly-stupid. And let's not forget that Nellie still does not have that ring and he is running out of time, so you know he is into this stoey as well.

Go W's!!!!!

by mrod on May 31, 2007 12:11 AM PDT up 0 recs

whoops!

"story"..................peace!

by mrod on May 31, 2007 12:12 AM PDT up 0 recs

BRING KOBE

TO THE BAY!!

by ballin on May 30, 2007 3:29 PM PDT 0 recs

Jessica Alba-lite

LOL, Atma you crack me up.

Marv Albert: "I ain't trippin'!"

by ZombieWarrior on May 30, 2007 3:48 PM PDT 0 recs

Jessica Alba-lite

Sorry man- I can't take credit for that one. It's all my man DJ Fuzzylogic.

by Atma Brother ONE on May 30, 2007 3:50 PM PDT up 0 recs

Mrs. Bryant is "Alba-lite"

In the same way that JRich is "Kobe-lite." In other words, accept no substitutes.

The funny thing is that if Kobe were to accept a trade to GS, I wouldn't doubt that the fair Ms. Alba would be one of the reasons why. Not because he could get in her pants (though I wouldn't rule it out) but just because of the new hyphy buzz surrounding the Warriors that she embodies.

One fabulous side benefit of the amazing 2007 postseason run is that it may persuade guys like KG and Kobe that the Warriors and the Bay Area are "big" enough for them.

by Sleepy Freud on May 30, 2007 4:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

c'mon, you know me!

by Jeremy Belvins on May 30, 2007 5:02 PM PDT 0 recs

Trade

Three team trade b/t Warriors Lakers and Boston
Boston gets:
JRich
Foyle
O'Bryant
#17 pick

LAL get:
Paul Pierce
Theo Ratliff
Pietrus

GSW get:
Kobe
Kwame
Radmanovic

Pietrus is signed and traded to blance the books
LAL get a local all star plus they move two bad contracts in exchange for 1 coming off the books in 2 years and they get the MP energy.
Boston gets younger and cheaper but they have to eat the foyle contract
The Warriors get a wash with Kwame for Foyle get a back up pf with a not great contract and a Hall of Famer in his prime.
Win Win Win

by ExtenedElbow on May 30, 2007 5:09 PM PDT 0 recs

boston

gets j rich... thats it. dumb trade

by stevenro59 on May 30, 2007 5:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

Dumb trade for who?

I might switch out Harrington for Foyle on the Boston end, to make it a little more enticing for them, but other than that it seems fairly reasonable, at least by GSoM standards.

Pierce, who has repeatedly expressed unhappiness with his situation in Boston, gets to go back home and shine in the bright lights of LA.
LA gets a legit NBA All-star to replace their franchise
Boston gets younger and starts their rebuilding process with an exciting young core of Rondo, Green, JRich, Jefferson, and the #5 and #18 in a loaded draft.
Warriors get the best player in the NBA and an athletic backup for Biedrins. As an added bonus, we wouldn't have to deal with the melancholy of seeing JRich in a Lakers uni.

I give this trade proposal a B+, and your comment a D-.

by Sleepy Freud on May 30, 2007 6:01 PM PDT up 0 recs

yeah great for the warriors

boston sees it like this if they are going to let go of pierce to lakers, they better get kobe, but instead they get jrich and adonal foyle. the lakers become the new boston celtics, and get paul pierce for kobe, brown, and Radmanovic. and the warriors get the best player in the nba, a hopefull center, and a dumbass.

warriors get the better out of this trade, but lakers and celtics wont let the warriors take advatage of them. i wish it was that easy.

baron davis and kobe bryant, wow, what dream team

by stevenro59 on May 30, 2007 8:02 PM PDT up 0 recs

yeah man

lakers need to get more and so do the celtics, exactly well put. you think the celtics want foyle and o bryant while we get kobe and they get rid of their star, not gonna happen. i would give this trade a C-

by travisl212 on May 30, 2007 10:42 PM PDT up 0 recs

Fair enough.

Let's compromise and call it a B-/C+. ;-)

I think what's interesting about the proposed trade is that it's a very simple lesson in the value of the marginal upgrade. The principals of the deal -- JRich, PP, and Kobe -- all play the same position, are all in their primes, and are all ridiculously talented. A lot of people might ask, how much better is Pierce (a proven all-star) than Richardson (a borderline all-star)? Or, how much better is Kobe (a Top 5 player) than Pierce? Well, in both cases, just a bit better. But when you're moving from the very good to the truly great, those "just a bits" have a whole ton of value.

Even though Boston and LA are getting better contracts and/or better talent outside of the principals, most people would agree that the Warriors get the best of this trade. Just shows how valuable a superstar is in this league, and why if one becomes available, possibly at a discount, you have to make every effort to acquire him.

by Sleepy Freud on May 31, 2007 1:31 AM PDT up 0 recs

For fun

Here's a stripped down, streamlined, and marginally more equitable version of that BOS-LAL-GSW deal:

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 1, 2007 6:28 AM PDT up 0 recs

Anything they want

If theres a chance in hell, I want the best player in the NBA.

by SkipT on May 30, 2007 5:36 PM PDT 0 recs

i have a trade!

the fakers would never trade kobe in division if only because they couldnt face playing him so many times a year. but i got a trade the ends up pretty even for all the teams in my opinion.

lakers get:
joe johnson
Andris beidrens

and trade:
kobe
sasha vujacic
2nd round pick

Hawks get:
Kobe
foyle (sorry zorgon)
#18
lakers 2nd

and trade:
Joe Johnson
josh smith
lorenzen wright
speedy claxton

warriors get:
josh smith
sasha vujacic
speedy claxton
lorenzen wright

and trade:
beidrens
foyle
#18

lineups:

lakers:
farmar
joe johnson
odom
beidrens
bynum

bench:walton, smush, turiaf, Draft pick.

hawks:
Conley (#3 pick)
childress
kobe
marvin williams
shelden williams

bench:foyle, lue, pachulia, #11, #18

warriors:
BD
Jrich
Sjax
josh smith
wright

bench: harrington, monta, barnes, claxton, vujacic

looks like all teams improve. we could package claxton and wright and get a quality big

by mydedgerbil555 on May 30, 2007 7:20 PM PDT 0 recs

too high a price to dump the effin contract

give up AB to shed Foyle's contract?
are smith & wright good nuf they'd start?
(why are the hawks so bad then?)
would wright work in Nelson's scheme?

by hardcore on May 30, 2007 9:49 PM PDT up 0 recs

thats actually not a bad trade

at first glance. i hate the idea of giving up biedrins, but at the same time i would kill to get smith, plus we are getting a solid pg in claxton and a nice center in wright. i doubt i would pull the trigger, but its not bad

by travisl212 on May 30, 2007 10:44 PM PDT up 0 recs

Lorenzen Wright

Is not a "nice center." He's terrible. He doesn't rebound, score, or block shots. He might be worse than POB and Foyle, if that's even possible.

Speedy Claxton is even more terrible now than on his first go-round with us. He shot 33% from the field last year and 55% from the line. I'd way rather have Cabbages, and I hate Cabbages.

Vujacic, as DJFL points out, is an "underachieveing scrub."

Josh Smith is a very intriguing young player -- but then so is Biedrins, and at a much more valuable position. Essentially, we'd be getting rid of our one true post player for another versatile 6'8" swingman.

On the bright side, the Hawks do get Kobe Bryant out of the deal. Woo-hoo.

Pass.

by Sleepy Freud on May 31, 2007 12:04 AM PDT up 0 recs

im usually not the type to

tear apart our roster after having the best season in 13 years, but thats just me

by travisl212 on May 30, 2007 10:45 PM PDT up 0 recs

Kobe

isn't going anywhere unless he wants to go there. He has a no-trade clause in his contract, which basically means he gets to approve of any trade involving him. And if Kobe is the Kobe we all know, he is going to an INSTANT contender if he is going to get traded. More instant than a cup of cup of noodles. I don't see him becoming a Warrior at ALL.

Marv Albert: "I ain't trippin'!"

by ZombieWarrior on May 30, 2007 7:21 PM PDT 0 recs

by the way

heres the link to my 3-way trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=110~2421~2427~254~150~1007~2411~959&te ams=1~9~13~1~9~13~9~9

we also would trade lorenzen wright and speedy claxton for theo rattlif, which is a massive expiring deal

by mydedgerbil555 on May 30, 2007 7:34 PM PDT 0 recs

Mrs. Bryant is "Alba-lite"

I dunno, She looks as hot as jessica to me.
All this talk about Kobe trades leaves out one important question, do we need him? I don't think we'd improve as much adding Kobe as we would adding a good big man. We already score plenty and have enough guys who want the ball so Kobe would just cause stress on our chemistry. How do we know that Baron and Sjax even want to share the court with Kobe? Earth to GSof Mind! All we need is a thug who can rebound and post up way inside without fear, let's keep our smallball core and just get a closer.

"I felt on the big fat fanny
Pulled out the jammy, and killed the punanny"

by Skeptic con Urquell on May 30, 2007 8:29 PM PDT 0 recs

Did you watch the playoffs?

Notice how we COULD NOT score for long stretches? You know why?

Unforced turnovers, poor shot selections, too hot and cold from deep, not enough midrange offensive playmaking.

Kobe or Paul Pierce solves lots of those problems, and they're pretty good rebounders for guards as well.

by OptionZero on May 30, 2007 9:06 PM PDT up 0 recs

Notice how we COULD NOT score

"You know why?"

Yes cause we need a CLOSER! Is there an echo in here? We had those Utah games won but lacked the big man to finish them off. 5 frickin minutes of inside play and we'd be in the finals. Kobe didn't win those championships, Shaq did!

by Skeptic con Urquell on May 31, 2007 9:52 AM PDT up 0 recs

Kobe=BAD

Okay, Artest and Jackson are crazy enough, but KOBE?!?!? Do I need to get a hearing aid?

First of all, we'd become fairweather central. Kobe Warriors gear everywhere. Ugh.

Second of all, the man is a SELFISH BASTARD. Look at this article by Adrian Blah Blah of Yahoo! Sports. He usually has good opinions. I mean, what's up with a NO TRADE CLAUSE in his contract? Why don't we just sell our soul to the devil while we're at it.

Not to mention:

Too many Baron shots? OK Kobe, take more.

Coach bothering you? OK Kobe, we'll fire him.

its just BAD IDEA. I mean, Jackson and Artest are a bit unable to control their tempers, but they channel their anger through the game. Kobe is just a rotten guy through and through. If Kobe came to the Warriors, that might be the only think that would make me hate them. Until he got off the team, at least.

by Zorgon on May 30, 2007 9:34 PM PDT 0 recs

i feel you man

i definately DO NOT want kobe. i mean all of what your saying is exactly correct, but another thing is.. why tear apart this roster and the chemistry they got going after the best season IN 13 YEARS i want to build off of what we have and add to it. i mean if we could get a steal for kg i would take it, but kobe, naw im cool

by travisl212 on May 30, 2007 10:48 PM PDT up 0 recs

Exactly

I actually AGREE with TravisL!!!!

by Zorgon on May 31, 2007 7:26 AM PDT up 0 recs

hahaha

by travisl212 on Jun 3, 2007 9:23 PM PDT up 0 recs

The guy's a Top 5 NBA player.

Very likely #2, right after Tim Duncan. He has three more rings than Garnett, Nowitzki, and Nash combined.

Yeah, I do get the sense he's a little bit ... evil. And not just 'cos he's on the Lakers. But I don't know that for sure, and neither do you, and neither does Adrian Whoziwhatzit. For all we know, he dreams of world peace while Jason Richardson dreams of killing puppies. In the absence of any real knowledge, I'll take the most unstoppable offensive force on a basketball court since Jordan.

Kobe might be an even better fit on this team than Garnett, if we surrounded him with the right role players. He doesn't miss open jumpers or free throws, hits threes consistently, and draws constant doubles and triple teams, which would take a ton of pressure off of BD.

As I said before, all you can ask when constructing a team is that your two highest-priced players:

Include one guy who's a Top 2 player in the NBA and another who's Top 15 or 20.
Are in their primes, and close to the same age
Play different positions, and bring different skills
Are dominant at their position on offense and defense

Just to remind people, that's the formula that the Bulls rode to six titles in eight years. A franchise center is nice, but it's not a requirement.

by Sleepy Freud on May 31, 2007 12:27 AM PDT up 0 recs

No

Shaq is #1. Or was. Reason Kobe got those rings? Shaq. Shaq 0pwns Kobe. And I disagree with your assessment. If you can get a team with all good talent you'd be set. Think of the Pistons. There's no weakness in their starting lineup, they're just all good players.

by Zorgon on May 31, 2007 7:34 AM PDT up 0 recs

Dude

Jordan's Bulls, a team built around one all-time great, one all-star, and a bunch of role players, won six straight championships (minus the years when MJ was on sabbatical). Those "balanced" Pistons you're citing are a total anomaly. If you take 2 minutes to look at the history of NBA champions, you'll notice that nearly every one had a guy who was considered one of the top 2-3 players in the league.

This year is no different. The Spurs, the eventual champion, have the best player in the NBA. Meanwhile, the Cavs, a team with a one superstar surrounded by a bunch of total scrubs, are giving the well-balanced Pistons all they can handle.

As for those Lakers champions, no doubt, Shaq was the #1a and Kobe was #1b (or #2, if you prefer). I never said otherwise. They were also a team built around two superstars and 6 or 7 "guys."

A little advice, Z: If you want to have a real debate, you'd do well to base your opinions in reality. It's hard to take your opinions seriously when half the time you're flat bullshitting (i.e. "Foyle's our best player," "I'm quitting GSoM," etc.) and the other half you're talking out your a**. Just sayin'.

by Sleepy Freud on May 31, 2007 1:55 PM PDT up 0 recs

Sorry,

all I really do is talk out of my a*. It's my job. That last response kind of was a quickie, and a bad one at that. I'm sorry.

I'll evaluate your "points".

*Include one guy who's a Top 2 player in the NBA and another who's Top 15 or 20.
Well, you have me here, but I'd say top 5, not 2. People tend to disagree a lot on assessment of players, and some would argue that Duncan is not top 2. Just saying.

Are in their primes, and close to the same age
If not primes, then close to it. As far as close to the same age, I guess this is an anomoly, but Shaq and Wade are vastly different ages.

Play different positions, and bring different skills
This is where I find your assessment wrong. The Bulls had Jordan and Pippen. Pippen was almost the same as Jordan, except for the fact he was a bit worse and had more defense. Later, they had Harper. He was considered around the league to be "Jordan lite". Paxon was a goo, but not great PG, Kerr shot, Rodman rebounded, Grant was good not great, and Wennington/Longley....well, they stood there...under the basket. Clogged the lane I guess. None of them were top 15/20. If you want to talk about Kobe and BD, they realy don't have that much different of skills. A little more ddifference that Pippen and Jordan, sure, but they really don't bring different skill sets.

Are dominant at their position on offense and defense
Yes.

And your last argument: Just to remind people, that's the formula that the Bulls rode to six titles in eight years. A franchise center is nice, but it's not a requirement.

They did not ride your third point, and I'll disagree with it in a fight to the death, even if I'm losing.

Lets look at the NBA champions since 1985.

2006- Miami Heat (Shaq)
2005- San Antonio Spurs (Duncan, okaym aybe he's not a C, but, lets continue. He CAN be a C, and would own most C. I'll put it that way.)
2004- Detroit Pistons (Anomoly/Ben Wallace)
2003- San Antonio Spurs (Duncan)
2002- Los Angeles Lakers (Shaq)
2001- Los Angeles Lakers (Shaq)
2000- Los Angeles Lakers (Shaq)
1999- San Antonio Spurs (Robinson/Duncan)
1998- Chicago Bulls
1997- Chicago Bulls
1996- Chicago Bulls
1995- Houston Rockets (Olajuwon)
1994- Houston Rockets (Olajuwon)
1993- Chicago Bulls
1992- Chicago Bulls
1991- Chicago Bulls
1990- Detroit Pistons (Laimbeer)
1989- Detroit Pistons (Laimbeer)
1988- Los Angeles Lakers (Jabbar)
1987- Los Angeles Lakers (Jabbar)
1986- Boston Celtics (Walton)
1985- Los Angeles Lakers (Jabbar)

So, if you really tink about it, the Bulls were an anomoly. If you bot back further, you sink into the Laker Days, etc.

Jordan and Pippen were just so excellent combined with the right combo of role players to win 6 Titles. As far as the Pistons, Isaih Thomas was also great, and they were kind of the anomly team they are now.

Back to the main argument, Kobe may be as good as Jordan, but Jordan was a teammate. A friend. A motivator. Kobe can't play that role. I think I have the perfect Quote from Kobe to explain this.

"I see all of my teammates as my little brothers...."

This is just telling you his attitude towards them. He looks down on them. He doesn't think of his teammates as equals. So, when he comes over to Golden State, how do you expect him to share the ball with Baron? Or JRich/SJax? Or Adonal? (Adonal is the best player in the history of the NBA, by the way. :)

Not to mention that he's not as good as Jordan, IMO. He's on the down stroke of his Career, and so is Baron. A couple years, who knows? A blown knee, who knows? Kobe's had too many knee problems to count, his Kobe Knee could become the next TMac Back.

So, Zorgon, what do we do? Kobe won't work?

I say we give the ball to Adonal every time.

What if his knee blows out too?

Then we give the ball to POB, Zarko, and Kelenna Azubuiek all of the time.

Arrrgh....

Okay, then we trad for P.J. Brow....

ARRGH!

Fine. I say we follow the Pistons formula. Once Nelson moves back to Maui, then we focus on getting the PF/C we need to complete the rung of 5 solid players plus short bench. It doesn't have to be a Duncan or a Shaq, but a Big Z (caliber) would do. Then, we proceed to rip up the NBA.

How do we go about getting that guy?

Trade Al Harrington. This guy is kind of a tweener like Mike Dunleavy. Not a PF, and too big to be our SF. We could package him with POB, a pick, or dare I say Adonal (if the other C has a Ratliff-like contract). Then we're set.

I'll never agree with you, Zorgon.

Neither will I, Zorgon.

So, Sleepy Freud, I'd like to close with this. I keep my brain next to my a** and bullsh**. Just so it's handy.

by Zorgon on May 31, 2007 10:21 PM PDT up 0 recs

What are we arguing again?

If you're making a case that you need a franchise center to win a championship: well, the fact that roughly half the teams on that list didn't feature franchise centers should be sufficient to disprove that. Even if you count Duncan as C, Bill Laimbeer was never close to a franchise center, nor were the 38-42 year-old versions of Walton and Kareem, really (Walton was the Celtics' 6th man, by the way; Parish started).
If you're making a case that you don't need a Top 5 superstar to win a championship: um, yeah, I still count just 1 team on that list that didn't have one. 1 out of 22 = anomaly. Take it back a few years further and see how well you do.

Yes, I get it. Kobe Bryant sucks. Adonal Foyle rules. Nuff said, really.

by Sleepy Freud on May 31, 2007 11:42 PM PDT up 0 recs

P.S.

LeBron James says hello. ;-)

by Sleepy Freud on May 31, 2007 11:45 PM PDT up 0 recs

I'm saying that

Kobe won't help us win a championship, and we need to wither Piston it up or get another superstar. And since we don't have a super star and won't get one soon, we Piston it up.

I wish we had LeBron....And I like LeBron. I never said I didn't. Remember the good-looking debate?

by Zorgon on May 31, 2007 11:55 PM PDT up 0 recs

Kobe talks have cooled...so how about Al Jefferson

Warriors receive Al Jefferson and Delonte West for Monta, Folye, and Powell.

Al J is a beast down low, rebounds and blocks! I'm not sure if this trade is fair, but the idea of:

Baron
J-Rich
Stephen Jackson
Al Jefferson
Biedrins

Bench:
Al Harrington as 6th Man of the Year.
Delonte West
Barnes and/Pietrus (depending on which one we can keep)
Buki

http://www.cafepress.com/moondigital

by GoldenStateDubtronic on May 30, 2007 9:45 PM PDT 0 recs

Haha

That lineup sure would be dominating. The Celtics would never ever even think about doing that trade.

Al Jefferson established himself as a solid 16/10 guy and might even be an allstar in a couple years. He's basically their version of our Biedrins. Even if that deal included Harrington instead of Foyle it's still not a fair trade.

by jlagace on May 31, 2007 6:03 AM PDT up 0 recs

Kobe

ia a selfish bitch, i would be hard for me 2 cheer for that L.A Raper. Matter fact if he was on tha warriors id still hate his guts. I hate Kobe wit a passion.

I love 2 tell tha truth, but I'm such a Good Liar

by JRichIsStillAGodButBiedrinsIsABeast on May 30, 2007 10:08 PM PDT 0 recs

hmmmmm.

well kobe only gets traded if he refuses to play for the lakers ala webber, artest, etc.

so first you'd have to include VC in a sign & trade, b/c he's the only available player w/ kobe's drawing ability (which is important to buss). & vince is only a yr older than kobe while playing 160 LESS games (roughly two seasons) - and that's just regular season games.

so what's a nj need that's available to pair w/ an aging kidd, jefferson, nachbar & krstic? zach randolph should fit here to make the nets a contender in the east for the next few years. especially if they can re-sign mikki moore.

this will depend on how badly they want to get rid of randolph. portland would get jrich & probably have to take foyle to make it work. w/ magloire gone, they're should be far enough under the cap to take a bad contract like foyle's.

jrich will provide them w/ some much needed outside shooting and both he & foyle are high character veterans. besides, jack, jrich, roy, aldridge, oden is a menacing lineup on paper - not to mention srod, outlaw, webster, & jones.

dubs get kobe, get rid of foyle's contract.

lakers would also get the nets & dubs 1st picks and throw-ins like dickau to make the salaries work. maybe they could get the rights to overseas guys like kosta perovic.

by the evil monkey on May 30, 2007 10:15 PM PDT 0 recs