Unlikey Possible Trade Scenario's

by KillaCrossOver on Jun 22, 2007 11:03 AM PDT Comment 20 comments

1st Trade Scenario:

Bulls:
Ben Wallace
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $15,500,000.00
2008/ 2009 $14,500,000.00
2009/ 2010 $14,000,000.00

Tyrus Thomas
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $3,505,320.00
2008/ 2009 $3,749,880.00
2009/ 2010 $4,743,598.00
2010/ 2011 $6,256,806.00

Chris Duhon
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $3,248,000.00
(Sign and Trade)

9th Pick of the draft
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $1,779,500.00
2008/ 2009 $?
2009/ 2010 $?
2010/ 2011 $?

ESTIMATED TOTAL SALARY: $70 Million

FOR

Al Harrington
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $8,425,625.00
2008/ 2009 $9,226,250.00
2009/ 2010 $10,026,875.00

Adonal Foyle
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $8,937,500.00
2008/ 2009 $9,750,000.00
2009/ 2010 $10,562,500.00

Patrick O'Bryant
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $2,216,400.00
2008/ 2009 $2,370,960.00
2009/ 2010 $3,020,603.00

Monte Ellis
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $770,610.00

18th Pick of the draft
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $1,121,500.00
2008/ 2009 $?
2009/ 2010 $?
2010/ 2011 $?

36th Pick of the draft

ESTIMATED TOTAL SALARY: $65 Million

ANALYSIS:
This gives GS a PF/C in Wallace who can play along side Biendris. Back up PG in Duhon. Young PF in Thomas who can start or come off the bench. 9th Draft Pick possibly get Noah, Yi, Hawes, Green, Wright. Or trade the 9th pick and 18th pick and move up in the draft. Overall helps GS with managable contracts and utilizes personel throughout the season.
Projected squad: Baron, Jrich, Jackson, Wallace, Biendris
Bench: Thomas, Barnes, Duhon,Powell, Azubuike, Jasikevicius 9th, 46th draft pick.

This gives Chicago a veteran SF in Harrington,
Legit 7'0 Center in POB (Still young and raw), Sky's the limit P/SG in Ellis, two very nice pieces to build around. Back up center in Foyle who is cheaper in salary then wallace and will be easier to unload his contract within the next year or two. Overall, gives Chicago very nice pieces to continue to build around and develope into a young, hungry team to compete in the east. Cap flexibility for the coming years when they need to sign these young players to a long term contract or trade them for a marky name. Last, two draft picks in this rich big man draft.

Projected squad: Hinrich, Gordon, Harrington, Deng, POB
Bench: Ellis, Nocioni, Sweetney, Foyle, Sefolosha, Griffin, Khryapa, 18, 36th, 49th, 51st Draft picks.

2nd Trade Scenario:

Magic:
Milicic:
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $6,810,302.00
(Sign and Trade)

JJ Reddick:
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $2,000,160.00
2008/ 2009 $2,139,720.00
2009/ 2010 $2,839,408.00
2010/ 2011 $3,887,150.00

Tony Battie:
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $5,200,000.00
2008/ 2009 $5,746,000.00
2009/ 2010 $6,292,000.00

Jameer Nelson:
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $1,272,120.00
2008/ 2009 $1,961,609.00
2009/ 2010 $2,810,985.00

Draft Pick: 54th Draft Pick 2007/2008

ESTIMATED TOTAL SALARY: $35 Million *(Projected: 66 Mill.)
* Sign and Trade, possibly (4yrs/ 32 Mill.)

FOR:

Al Harrington
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $8,425,625.00
2008/ 2009 $9,226,250.00
2009/ 2010 $10,026,875.00

Mickael Pietrus
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $3,470,770.00
(Sign & Trade)

Patrick O'Bryant
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $2,216,400.00
2008/ 2009 $2,370,960.00
2009/ 2010 $3,020,603.00

Monte Ellis
Salary: 2007/ 2008 $770,610.00

Draft Pick: 46th Draft Pick 2007/2008

ESTIMATED TOTAL SALARY: $40 Million *(Projected: 62 Mill.)
* Sign and Trade, possibly (4yrs/ 26 Mill.)

ANALYSIS:
This gives GS a PF/C in Milicic who can play along side Biedrins. His scoring and defensive presence will need to develope to the next level but worth the risk. Adding Reddick off the bench would continue to gives us an added scoring threat on the floor and would help back up JRich. Battie, gives us a back up Center for both Biedrins and Milicic. Last with Nelson as a back up to Baron, would create a better situation at the point to cut some of Baron's minutes and to help in case we do not give Baron his extension. Draft pick thrown in to possibly balance the trade. No real impact on the trade.

Projected squad: Baron, Jrich, Jackson, Milicic, Biendris
Bench: Battie, Barnes, Nelson, Reddick, Powell, Azubuike, Jasikevicius, 18th, 34th, 54th draft pick.

Orlando will add a Veteran SF in Harrington to go along side Howard and O'Bryant. With Arroyo and Ellis in the back court this forms a very young nucleus to be competitive in the east. They will have plenty of cash to resign this young core and to obtain a impact FA if they would need.

Projected squad: Arroyo, Ellis, Harrington, Howard & O'Bryant

Bench: Turkoglu, Pietrus, Garrity, Dooling, Ariza, Bogans, Augustine, 44th and 46th draft pick.

I have researched many different scenario's with most of the teams out there. These are the only ones that I can see benefiting both sides. What is your take on these?

Poll

Which trade would be worthwild and beneficial?

Chicago Bulls or the Orlando Magic

4 votes

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haha ok...

The first trade is ridiculous and I wont even waste time explaining why. The second one isnt as bad for us but it doesnt make sense for the magic and you only put one option on the poll.

by dallaswarrior on Jun 22, 2007 11:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

and I vote option 1) Chicago bulls or magic

by dallaswarrior on Jun 22, 2007 11:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The

first trade the Bulls wouldn't do because they already have Hinrich, Deng and Ben Gordon so they would have an influx of swing men, kinda like we did this year.

The 2nd trade, well let's just say I wouldn't trade just Monta for the other 4 scrubs. Do you really want another duke prodigy on the Dubs after Dunleavy?

If I had to do one it would definitely be the one with the Bulls.

by J Rich 4 MVP on Jun 22, 2007 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

orlando trade

absolutley awful....jameer is the worst case scenario that ellis could become as he matures....reddick is garbage....i'm not even going to address tony battie....millic and ab could exchange style tips, but he is not much of an upgrade over al....sorry, patna

by dnalvare on Jun 22, 2007 11:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

give

me a realistic trade that brings us gerald wallace that doesn't involve jrich

by travisl212 on Jun 22, 2007 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

mmmmmm

Al Harrington
Sarunas Jasikevicius
Patrick O'Bryant
#18
#46

for

Gerald Wallace
Sean May
#22

by gizardwizzlizard on Jun 22, 2007 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

there are a lot of ways we could pick him up...

sign and trade with pietrus, trade harrington, trade monta and POb, add a pick to any scenario.
I think he would be a great on our team

by dallaswarrior on Jun 22, 2007 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

man

those are both horrible trades. i want no parts of ben wallace or his bloated contract. and the 2nd one is just...bad.

go wash your face

the crowning achievement of ira newble's illustrious career

by JudBooshlur on Jun 22, 2007 1:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I like the big ben trade

but I'm not sure Baron wants us to get rid of Harrington? We've got plenty of outside shooters and no toughness inside so Wallace would be an improvement. Would also be nice to get foyle's contract off the books. I'm not sure how the monta for the other guys part would affect us but if Duhon is abetter point guard than monta it couldn't hurt.
Keep away from Orlando, I don't like cigars so want nothing to do with Darko.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 22, 2007 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Big Ben

Is a total salary dump at this point. Chicago would love to be rid of him. He's only marginally less desirable around the league than Adonal Foyle. The prizes of that deal are Ty Thomas and the #9 pick.

Darko is very likely a better player than Big Ben going forward, and should come a lot cheaper. The problem with the Orlando deal is that the other guys are all garbage.

I agree that the Chi deal is much better than Orlando one overall, but I'd much rather have Darko Milicic than Ben freakin' Wallace.

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 22, 2007 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

*Sorry

I meant "marginally more desirable than Adonal."

But actually, given his ridiculous contract, he may actually be less desirable than Adonal...

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 22, 2007 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ben wallace / foyle

you bring up a good point about Ben Wallace and Adonal Foyle. if Foyle were given those kinds of minutes he'd be almost as productive as Ben Wallace.

maybe if Foyle could grow out his hair like Big Ben and get some tats we could shop him around as a discounted Ben Wallace.

by jlagace on Jun 23, 2007 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm...

Somehow it's just not working for him...

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 23, 2007 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Somehow it's just not working for him...

That's why we need the real thing, forget about KG, Free Big Ben!

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 23, 2007 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Productive?

Depends how you measure productivity. Wallace is a better rebounder per minute played. Last season the gap was at its lowest, but Wallace was still better. Their scoring is close to a wash, but Wallace has characteristically been more efficient, requiring fewer shots to get his points. Wallace gets about twice as many assists per minute as Foyle while turning the ball over less often. Foyle blocks more shots, but historically, this hasn't resulted in a better defensive FG% with him in as he blocks shots by getting out of position. Foyle couldn't play Wallace's minutes either, as he picks up fouls about twice as rapidly.

This all adds up to Wallace being about 50% more likely to add to his team's chances of winning than Foyle, per minute. While Foyles productivity this last year was underappreciated and he could probably help someone, he's not in the same class as Wallace.

by jae on Jun 23, 2007 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dude, he was kidding

At least I he think he was.

The fact remains that Ben Wallace is likely the worst contract in the NBA. He's 33 years old, coming off a season in which he shot 45% FG and 41% FT (!!) and amassed a whopping 14.6 PER, his worst in 7 years -- and yes, only a bit better than Foyle's (13.7). And all this for the low-low price of $16M, nearly twice what Foyle makes. He basically does one thing exceptionally well: rebound. Somehow I don't think NBA GMs are lining up to pay $44 million over the next three years for an older, poorer-shooting, slightly more aggressive version of Foyle.

The original argument, if you look back, is that Wallace, given his contract, is only marginally more valuable in the eyes of NBA GMs than Foyle, and is miles less valuable than Tyrus Thomas, a #9 pick, or Darko Milicic. I don't really think that's up for debate.

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 23, 2007 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No I was being serious

and Foyle should get a contract extensions due to the new found Ben Wallace similarities.

by jlagace on Jun 23, 2007 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

sarcasm often lost on the internet.

Sorry if I missed the sarcasm, but on another board I frequent, someone actually tried to make the argument that Adonal was almost as valuable as Wallace.

One of the interesting things about Wallace, who likely is making too much, his contract actually shrinks in the coming years. It's not going to be a bargain, but his salary isn't escalating.

Despite what Chicago's media and GM think, he was the biggest addition to a team that improved 8 games in the standings from the previous year. I'm certain that many fans and sportswriters get wrapped up in hype and don't really appreciate what actually wins games. I'm not certain that NBA GMs are, as a rule, much different in this regard. If you're going to get a guy who does one thing exceptionally, rebounding is a good thing to get. There are far more 20ppg scorers who don't do much else on lousy teams than there are top notch rebounders on lousy teams. It's an important part of the game. It is very difficult to have an effective defense without rebounding since if you can't get a rebound, it doesn't matter if you get the opposition to miss because they'll keep taking shots.

BTW, if you're interested in statistical measures, PER is a relatively lousy measure of productivity. It doesn't correlate well with victories. "Wins Produced" a metric that's popularized in the book "the Wages of Wins" correlates much better. As metrics go, PER is to Wins Produced in basketball as batting average is to OPS in baseball.

by jae on Jun 24, 2007 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

in addition

what makes ben truly valuable, imo, is his ability to defend the low post. often, he doesn't even require help against even the league's elite postmen. the ability to defend the low post is invaluable against teams like the spurs, heat, & jazz, among others.

obviously, this isn't something i actually measured, but let's just say zach randolph (1)scores, (2)gets to the line, (3)draws a foul or (4)draws a double team on foyle about 25 out of 35 touches. w/ ben guarding him this may only happen 15x..

by the evil monkey on Jun 24, 2007 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs