Rumor: Jason Richardson to the Bobcats for the #8 pick

by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 25, 2007 9:53 AM PDT in Rumors Comment 86 comments

Tired of JRich trade rumors yet? This time His Airness and Rod Higgins of the Bobcats are interested in a package that would include the #8 pick in the draft. GSoM insider pree suggested this back on June 20th, Draft Prospects: Charlotte Bobcats too. This current rumor is coming from our favorite rumor reporter, Sam Smith in his Inside the NBA piece.

The Bobcats could play Raymond Felton and Gerald Wallace (assuming they re-signs him) in the backcourt with Lewis and Emeka Okafor up front and perhaps make a nice jump, and then use the No. 8 pick for a big man, though there's talk of using that pick in a deal for Warriors guard Jason Richardson.

It would really be disheartening to see JRich leave the team, but I wonder if going to Charlotte would make him a better player. If he played with Michael Jordan watching over him, is that going to push him harder to become great or make him tentative? Knowing JRich's work ethic, I would think he talks to MJ everyday about how to become a better player and you might see something really special out of him. Of course, Mullin needs to keep JRich on the Warriors in order to keep this team headed towards its next playoff berth.

Let's pretend Mullin makes the deal for the #8 pick, who do you think is available and who would you take at #8?

Also check out pree's diary, Sam Smith Strikes Again! JR to Charlotte?

99% of rumors never happen, but 99% of them are fun to talk about!

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I dont know

but JR straight up for the 8 pick sounds weak. NO WAY

by dallaswarrior on Jun 25, 2007 9:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I would make that trade in a second

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am willing

to move JR as much as anyone but for the 8 pick? I think he holds more value then that. 3-6 pick I do it

by dallaswarrior on Jun 25, 2007 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt the league

agrees

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i wouldn't

by AJC3317 on Jun 25, 2007 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

why would we

trade an over-achieving fan favorite former 5th pick for an 8th pick?

by travisl212 on Jun 25, 2007 10:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

#5 irrelevant.

While I'm not sure whether or not Richardson would be worth the number 8 pick, Richardson's draft position at this point is totally irrelevant.

by jae on Jun 25, 2007 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

how exactly has

J_rich over-achieved?

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

hes improved

tremendously since day one and with the exception of last year he has been deserving of an all star

by travisl212 on Jun 25, 2007 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

and yes i do know about the salary cap

and contract issues, but this would not make our team better and would be a step in the wrong direction

by travisl212 on Jun 25, 2007 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

High draft picks are nice, but hard-working, dedicated, near-All Star, rebounding big-guard veterans are better. The JRich Movement ya'll.

by ffgolden on Jun 25, 2007 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

A former #8 pick

So trading JRich for a #8 pick really gonna give you a player who can make an impact?

Let me recall... a former #8 pick of the Warriors was Adonal Foyle. Now I don't know how good/bad that draft really was but it's like trading JRich for Foyle.

JRich for Foyle!!!

by AntiLaker on Jun 25, 2007 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

There are #8s and then there are #8s.

Foyle's draft was a weak one, though the Warriors passed on McGrady. Drafted ahead of Foyle were Van Horn, Billups (who was pretty lousy for several years after being drafted), Antonio Daniels, Tony Battie, Ron Mercer and Tim "Dunleavy-like-stats" Thomas. After the big Fundamental at the top of the draft, I don't think anyone expected it to be a particularly good draft.

by jae on Jun 25, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The logic there is

tight

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The JRich Movement

ffgolden is right. I'd rather have JRich than the #8 pick.

by goGSW24 on Jun 25, 2007 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

why?

Nelson isn't that high on J_rich, he a good player but not a cornerstone guy, he has had injuries, he doesn't play D, he doesn't make his teammates better and he plays the easiest postion to fill

If Nelson wants to do this trade I'd have to think he has his eye on someone and thats enough for me plus they might be able to clear cap space.

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

please

he had one injured year, and he does play defense (apparently you weren't watching the last few games of the year), and he does make his teammates better both with his on court play and being a good teammate

by AJC3317 on Jun 25, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

just to add...

During the playoff run:

He passed the ball more leading to nice assists
He played outstanding help defense (I've seen him leave his man to help out a beaten teammate to swat the ball or be in position to stop the offensive player more than his entire career - OK i'm exxagerating here)
He rebounded well (I guess others here don't value rebounding)

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by MANUTEs BOLs on Jun 25, 2007 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

he is not a good defender

please

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

you must not have watched the playoff push

He did well helping out on defense. This is different from him d-ing up his own man or zone. Help defense is when he helps out on defense. And please, before you try to challenge my statement, back it up with facts, OK? Good boy!

www.TRACKjams.com

by MANUTEs BOLs on Jun 27, 2007 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

btw

I never did say he's a good defender but his help defense is solid (not great, not excellent, just solid).

www.TRACKjams.com

by MANUTEs BOLs on Jun 27, 2007 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is a fact that Nelson

pulled him out of a game against Utah because of his defense and it is has been mentioned more than a few times that he isn't a good defender

He isn't the type of player who makes others better either

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well. . . .

Conceptually, No. 8 might get you Noah, but I doubt it. Certainly no Yi or Horford there. So, this is not a trade you make until Thursday, anyway -- and probably only when the 'Cats are on the clock, and we know there's someone we want available.

Practically, it can't work unless (1) the 'Cats are WAY under the cap -- which I doubt -- or we take back big trash (expiring, I hope) ourselves.

Sounds like this rumor was created out of pretty thin air simply because of the Higgins move to NC.

by johnl on Jun 25, 2007 11:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Dude

I admit I created this idea out of thin air when writing my Bobcats article .. it was just an idea I thought the Cats should pursue. Suddenly, it became a "rumor" when Smith says he's "heard" it ... uhhh ... heard it from whom, Sam?

As an aside - Yi could be there at 8. His stock has slipped a lot lately because of how he's handling his workouts. The Celtics' are saying that they want to take him, but people around the league are convinced its a smokescreen to drive the value of the pick up for a team that really wants Yi. Yi has told the Bucks he won't play for them if they pick him (although, curiously, their GM said they'd still pick him!) and the TWolves aren't interested in him (that's the word).

I don't know .. he COULD be there. Horford won't, though, that's for sure.

by pree on Jun 25, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

no offense

But it's not quite fair to say you "created" the idea.

It's widely known that Charlotte is way under the cap and needs a scoring swingman. On Scout.com's board, the idea was also mentioned months ago.

So while you may have been the first notable person to mention it here, it might be a little much to be taking credit for the very thought of it happening.

Just my two cents.

by OptionZero on Jun 25, 2007 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough

I can't take credit for "creating" the idea .. I was just telling that other guy that Smith is most likely just throwing out his own thoughts as fact as well. Didn't mean to bask in any glory or anything like that.

by pree on Jun 25, 2007 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cap

Charlotte is way under the cap, which means they don't have to send out similar salary to take on Richardson. That's the reason that they're mentioned in so many trade scenarios.

I doubt that the Warriors would make a deal for the pick ahead of time that wasn't contingent on a guy they wanted being there. Various mock drafts have Noah and/or Yi slipping beyond that point. No one really knows what's going on after the first two. There's a couple of guys who could go next and then a whole lot of jockeying for a bunch of guys who could be impact players. If they want Noah or Yi and either's around, they could work out a deal ahead of time that doesn't go through if the guy(s) on the radar have been picked.

by jae on Jun 25, 2007 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, Thanks. . .

I wasn't aware the Bobcats were that far under the cap. If that's really the case, it certainly makes a trade far more palatable for the Warriors, assuming they could get either Noah or Yi (though I still can't see Yi falling that far). Cap savings is a very valuable commodity -- as we've seen from the "trade" last year, when we picked up about $30 mm in the aggregate. I love JRich -- but all that cap space and a shot that either Noah or Yi could become very, very good would certainly cause me to jump on that trade. Still, I've got to think it's smoke and mirrors.

by johnl on Jun 25, 2007 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

based on current mocks

Such as Draft Express:

#1/#2 duh
#3: Horford
#4: Conley
#5: Jeff Green
#6: Brandon Wright
#7: Spencer Hawes

At this point, Corey Brewer, Joakim Noah, or Yi Jianlian are still on the board. It's possible that Brewer goes top 7, because he's that damn good; unfortunately, I don't like Green or Wright that much.

While J-Rich is beloved by the fans for his enthusiasm and loyalty, consider:

Brewer would be a lockdown, Artest-type defender without the mental issues, and his offense is already good enough to contribute in our system. As a perimeter defender, along with Stephen Jackson, Brewer would fuel our break with even more steals and stops. I know Fantasy Junkie loves this guy as well, he will be a stud.

Noah's upside is a little more questionable, but "fit" cannot be better. He's all energy, he's got legit size. Most importantly, he has experience to go with excellent passing ability. The guy plays defense, boards, loves to bang, will block some shots. Put him next to Biedrins and we'll control the boards and the paint. I think he can play PF for Nelson because of his handle.

And of course we've already talked about Yi before.

You have to realize that Richardson is not a franchise guard- he is not Kobe, Pierce, Mcgrady, Wade, the like. His inability to handle the ball and make a high rate of FT's means he'll never be an elite scorer- he's a "finisher", not a creator. Streak 3 point shooting will always be just that-streaky. That's alright as a complementary player, but not as your supposed second best player (and when Baron is always hurt).

Meanwhile, the #8 in THIS draft class means a guy likely to approach J-Rich's production at a fraction of the cost. I'll say it again: IF YOU WANT TO KEEP ELLIS AND BIEDRINS, YOU HAVE TO TRADE RICHARDSON. So essentially this deal means you're not only bringing in (my pick) Brewer, you're retaining the improving services of two young studs.

Make the trade.

by OptionZero on Jun 25, 2007 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Plus we have Nelson picking

and as you've shown this is a stacked draft

If he has a guy that he likes at 8 and can get him I will trust him (Richmond trade notwithstanding)

I would consider this a smart trade until draft day and it is clear that the player they want has slipped.

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Richmond deal reconsidered

Remember that the Warriors won 55 games, still their best season in Oakland, right after Richmond was traded and in Owens' first stint in Oakland, they won 50 games 3 times. Long term it didn't work out, Owens never became what people wanted and was a key part of the cancer that destroyed the team, but short term rewards were pretty good.

by jae on Jun 25, 2007 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree and you have to be willing to

make some mistakes to make things happen

I can't see trading J_rich (as much as I like the guy) as being a make or break for this team. J_rich is never taking these guys or another team to the promised land anyway so roll the dice if you can

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

J_rich being a finisher

He is obvioulsy great off the break but he doesn't get to the line much and a lot of this has to do with him being a two foot jumper. Couple that with his bad handles and he really can't take anyone off the dribble in the half court which makes him ineffective at times

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brewer is interesting

but he better put on like 80 pounds to be anything like an Artest

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

have to strongly consider it....

if we can move rich for the eight plus a piece (may/knight)we can go big, maybe take a brendan wright (huge upside), noah, yi, whoever, and then draft a baron backup, (i like javaris critt, who may or may not be there). this would allow monta to play at the 2 w/o giving away too much size defensivley (j. critt is 6'5)....and it's true, keeping richardson means bye-bye to monta or beans (or both)...i know nelson will make the right call, swallow hard and do what it takes to make the team better

by dnalvare on Jun 25, 2007 12:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

May or Knight ain't worth it

May in Nellyball? A PG who will be out of the league in two years? How do either of those players justify trading JRich? Just so we can get a project big or Noah, who's redundant to Biedrins.

If JRich is traded, KG or Odom or G. Wallace better be coming back. Anything less isn't worth it.

by BingBluNT on Jun 25, 2007 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yup

I agree. Stupid trade, unless G. Wallace is coming to Oakland...oooo but Odom?? eeesh.....EEEEEEEEEEESH

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 26, 2007 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Keep J-Rich Movement!

Has this been coined yet?

by optimistic pessimist on Jun 25, 2007 1:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Not one mention of Brewer.

Brewer is exactly the kind of guy Nellie and Mully may have their eye on as we havent heard a sniff about him. Yi is a smokescreen. they grab Brewer and whatever big is left at #18. I like it.

by Grandma on Jun 25, 2007 2:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

At this point

I am starting to think that we will see JRich in a different jersey next season. If the Ws make a move this offseason it will almost certainly involve him. He is the only guy on the roster that has real value that wouldn't leave a huge hole in the line-up.

I have said before that I think just keeping the team together the way it won't cut it. There are too many reasons to deal him. Financialy we have to do something to clear room for the young guys and despite all our hopes and prayers Foyle's contract isn't going anywhere. And talent wise his is the easiest position to fill in the NBA. Don't get me wrong I would hate to see him go but Monta could step in as the starting SG and besides rebounding he could produce the same kind of numbers.

Idealy if we could get a high draft pick, a veteran rebounder, a backup point gaurd, and some cap relief we are almost definitely going to make that move. Reallisticly though we will probably settle for some combination of those things. Sectretly I kind of hope I'm wrong because he has meant so much to the franchise but I am starting to think this is the only way to keep our momentum moving forward. If you are not evolving in this league you are slipping down the standings.

Lets hope I'm wrong and we see JRich in a Dubs Jersey next year having a career year and making his first All-Star team.

by olympicmike on Jun 25, 2007 2:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

If you think keeping the team together

won't cut it and you think J_rich is the only guy tradeable then why do you hope it doesn't happen?

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess...

My head says trade him but my heart says keep him.

by olympicmike on Jun 25, 2007 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can respect that

I like him too. I recall seeing him at the ProAm after his rookie year and he blew the roof off that place

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

then

brewer better avg 15-20 points also.

by Warrior fan 23 on Jun 25, 2007 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

cause scoring is all that matters

on good basketball teams right

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What do you guys think of this?

by ThisIZtheSeason on Jun 25, 2007 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Dude, come on

Celtics give up the most valuable and second-most valuable pieces in that deal. End of discusson.

Matching salaries should be your last consideration, not your first. First should always be: why the heck would the other team do it? This one doesn't even come close to passing the smell test.

Get off the trade machine and use the force, Luke.

(Hey, you asked ... ;-) )

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 25, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

I had a feeling as I was typing that you were already all over this one.

by olympicmike on Jun 25, 2007 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

OH MY GOD

the celtics get hosed! hahah Jefferson and the 5th pick for a steaming pile of crap haha

by travisl212 on Jun 25, 2007 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why?

I can't see a reason for Boston to make that deal. They are high on Jefferson and to give him up w/ the #5 for two lower picks and May just doesn't make sense. Plus as Pree pointed out somewhere Wallace would have to be a sign and trade and he can't be signed until after the draft making a deal like this one impossible.

However I have to mention a deal like this would obviously be incredible for the Ws.

by olympicmike on Jun 25, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Haha

Thanks for clearing that up fellas...I'm a noob at trades.
Looks like I'll be having to do more homework ;)

by ThisIZtheSeason on Jun 25, 2007 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Damn... and I love rockin' his Jersey!

If he's traded I'll still rock his Jersey at Oracle LOL, that dudes a fan favorite! This season I actually bought 2 of his Jerseys (a black and white one, and the home one) 2 weeks into the season and a week before he messed up his hand in Sac... lol, (No I didn't buy em during the playoffs like the new warrior fans that sprung up!) listen to me, here I am worrying about not being to rock his gear when the real issue is him goin 2 the Bobcats... I'd rather see him here (of course I would say that) or a faster paced team... but if it will do well for trade options, as long as we receive a good pick (or trade, sorry I'm still somewhat new to the whole trade system so I'll shut up now!)

by Tony.psd on Jun 25, 2007 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Good move

As much as Jrich is a fan favorite, this might be a very good move.

To me, the #9 pick is not the biggest bounty of this deal. Trading away Jrich's contract away will put us roughly $5million UNDER the salary cap. Combine that with the $5mil+ MLE, and we can go out and sign a $10mil free agent, or a combination of free agents.

Gerald Wallace, Darko Milicic, Grant Hill, Jamaal Magloire, Ime Udoka, Rashard Lewis, Morris Peterson. We would now have the financial firepower to compete for these type of players. The #9 pick could land us something sweet as well.

So in the grand scheme of things it could potentially look like this:

JRich
-for-
Gerald Wallace
-and-
Yi JianLian

not such a bad deal is it?

by jlagace on Jun 25, 2007 3:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I didn't reallize...

that this move would put us under the cap. that alone makes the trade much more interesting. However if we do sign someone like Wallace to a long term deal does that make it impossible to re-sign Monta and AB, and on that note do we really care if we get a guy like Wallace or Lewis? Hopefully we could find a way to keep them and sign a free agent.

by olympicmike on Jun 25, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

bold predictions

maybe I'm reaching too far into the future, but we may still be able to resign Biedrins and Monta in the future even if we do sign a $10mil free agent.

Here's how I project it:

if we trade Jrich and sign Wallace (or any other combination of players up to $10mil), we'll be roughly at $60mil payroll, with the luxury tax roughly at $65mil. If we can get Biedrins to extend his contract to about $7mil/year, we'll be right under the luxury tax level for next season.

Next offseason Jasikevicius and O'Bryant become free agents, freeing up about $6mil of salary for that year. Assuming the luxury tax level bumps up to $67 (as goes with the trend), we can afford to spend up to $8mil/year in resigning Monta Ellis if we wanted to.

AFter that, the Warriors won't have to worry about the luxury tax level much anymore because Foyle's $10mil/yr contract will come off the books.

by jlagace on Jun 25, 2007 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Next season is not the issue

The issue is 2008-09, when the extensions for Biedrins and Ellis kick in, along with a possible extension for Baron.

You can't add $10-million in salary this summer, that's for sure.

by pree on Jun 25, 2007 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Biedrins

You don't think we should try to extend Biedrins contract this offseason? If we let him become a restricted free agent next offseason we might not be able to keep him.

by jlagace on Jun 25, 2007 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

You can give him the extension this year, but it will still kick in two years.

by pree on Jun 25, 2007 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

jrich

If we traded Jrich's $11mil/yr contract for a draft pick, combined with the ~$5mil MLE, how wouldn't we be able to add $10mil in salary this summer?

by jlagace on Jun 25, 2007 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because

If you trade J-Rich, you'll still be over the cap because of the draft pick's salary and the MLE that the team has accepted. Without J-Rich, you're at $50-million. You add $1-million for the pick and then $5.6-million that you commit to when you accept the MLE. Now you're above the camp and can't sign anyone or you're right around the camp with a few hundred thousand to offer a FA. Get it?

by pree on Jun 25, 2007 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which is why

The original terms of the deal, proposed way back when --

Richardson
Harrington
(+ Cabbages?)

for

Wallace
Knight
#8

-- make more sense, right? (Harrington+Cabbages) takes another $12M off the books, and you have a starting linup something like...

Baron
Monta
Wallace
Yi (or Noah)
Biedrins

And to make up for the missing 3-pt. shooting, maybe you use #18 to draft a guy who can fill it, like Rudy Fernandez or Morris Almond?

Still trying to figure out why this diary has so many hits. Perhaps because it's the most plausible (read: least implausible) of all the rumors we've heard? JRich + Al would fit very nicely in that Hornets lineup between Felton and Okafor...

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 25, 2007 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sleepy you are my man

but the Hornets? haha its the bobcats but i understand the mixup. I love this trade idea the problem is we cant get wallace till after the draft in a sign and trade. But it could still work trading for the pick then wallace later. That is an awesome lineup and then filling in fernandez as a 3 point threat sounds AWESOME!!!

by dallaswarrior on Jun 25, 2007 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ETO

If Wallace doesn't become a free agent, sure this is possible. I don't think that is going to happen.

by pree on Jun 26, 2007 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow do I feel like an idiot

I thought if you were $5 under the cap, you could throw in the $5.6 MLE to sign a $10.6 free agent. I guess that's not possible, thanks for clarifying

Still, hypothetically, we could sign a $5 free agent and then a $5.6 free agent with the MLE, no?

by jlagace on Jun 25, 2007 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

nope. let me explain.

so let's guesstimate the cap as $56 mill in 07-08.
w/ the trade, the warriors cap would be at $50 mill

PLUS whatever their 1ST ROUND draft pick salaries are (8 & 18 should be in the realm of $3.5 mill)

PLUS any exceptions they may possess,
UNLESS they renounce their rights to those exceptions.

i think they'd be eligible for the MLE (auto) & the Traded Player Exception (which they should receive by trading JRich). MLE is the avg salary, so let's go $5.5 mill. if the traded player exception works the way I believe it to, it should be at Jrich's salary of $11 mill.

so the W's cap figure is at about $70 mill. even if they renounce both exceptions (and go to $53.5 mill), they can only sign a free agent in the $2.5 mill range.

so $5.5 vs $2.5, better to keep the MLE.

the Traded Player Exception might be useful. B/c it can be used (for those over the cap) for (i believe) up to a year and works (roughly) like if you wanted to trade a $5 mill player for a $16 mill player, instead of adding players, you can just use the $11 mill exception to make up the difference.

by the evil monkey on Jun 25, 2007 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hahaha yes it does, a very good deal BUT

it would never happen. cmon man, Wallace is already worth what J-Rich is worth, and they would just give us the #8 pick overall as what?....a shoo in??? hahaha it would be nice though, its a good thing GMs dont have the IQ of a box of rocks.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 25, 2007 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Look at JRich's stats

He is NOT a good 3 point shooter. Low FG%. He is a poor FT shooter. Poor handles. Cannot create his own shot. Good rebounding numbers on a bad rebounding team--sound like anyone in particular? (hint- initials are TM)

JRich should be dealt if we can get a solid piece back. Great guy, but he is not a starter on a championship team.

by DrDre on Jun 25, 2007 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

watch games, not website numbers

YOU obviously dont know what your talking about. Do you watch the games? If you watched JRich play during his best year, 2005-2006 when he was 100% healthy, then you might come back and talk a little more sense. And as far as him being a bad 3 point shooter, u should throw that in the dirt. didnt he have a game last year where he hit 7 3's? He has been considered by experts of the game to be the best 3 point shooter on the team. Im tired of "Warrior fans" bad mouthing players that dont deserve it. Dont feel bad brotha cuz your not the only one. Blessed is the man who recognizes a player who gives HIS ALL to his franchise. He got game.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 25, 2007 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your comment

is ridiculous. Always a sign of intelligence when you start by asking if someone watches games.

If you don't believe that shooting percentages matter, then I have a bridge that I would like to sell you, for cheap.

by DrDre on Jul 1, 2007 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

depth chart could look something like this:

PG Baron Davis / Jasikevicius
SG Monta Ellis / Azubuike
SF Gerald Wallace / Stephen Jackson
PF Al Harrington / Yi JianLian
C Biedrins / Patrick O'Bryant / Foyle

(best case scenario)

by jlagace on Jun 25, 2007 3:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

whos

intials TM???

by I SAY WHA I WANNA SAY on Jun 25, 2007 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Al Instead...(Warrior fans, tell me what u think)

Move Al Harrington, #18, Patrick O'Bryant for The Bobcats pick.

No doubt Mully and Nellie would have their eye set on Corey Brewer or Yi with the number #8...But what if theyre gone? I would only trade Jason Richardson, who is a good player by the way, capable of greatness, ONLY if I knew EXACTLY what I was receiving in return. The question really is, would you rather have J-Rich or Brewer? J-Rich, or Yi? I think Brewer will go 4-7. Yi is an intruiging prospect, but the word is that his stock has dropped a bit, which would them leave him to us, assuming a trade. None of you have really even seen the guy play against good competition(dont know how good the chinese leauge is,really).. so why the itchy trigger finger? to send a player that comes back considerably better every year, a player who is capable of leading a team, just as he did for us two seasons ago when Baron was playing hurt. Back then everybody was singing a different tune about our man because he was THE MAN. Baron was on the team but appeared second best to the season Rich was having. But last season the tables turned,Baron had one of his healthier years, and lead the team, while Jason was the one hurt and being second best. So you see, the situation really just calls for letting the two of them play together next season, completely healthy, focused, and in tune. THEN, Mully should take a step back, access the situation, and based on the success and the chemistry between the two guys. THEN he could take a really good,hard look at ELLIS and decide whether or not he is ready to be a made guy. If he is ready, and proves that he will no doubt become a star, THEN JRich becomes a more feasible commodity. He could decide whether or not he wants to commit to Monta, and offer that top dollar. Baron and Jason having career years in the same season would give us a whiff at a championship. With Baron finally trimming down and staying flexible and healthy, the chances of him leading the club throughout the year are looking pretty solid. KEEP THIS IN MIND. We all know about Jason's work ethic, we all know he has some weaknessness that he could improve on. But he DID make the playoffs this year for the first time in his career. Its just like Enter the Dragon, and Jason is Bruce Lee tasting his own blood from a flesh wound. He can just taste success, just a little slice, just for his tongue...and hes about to go insane. Turn em loose! LOOK for Jason to work his tail off this off season and come back strong and hungrier than ever for the best year of his career so far as a Warrior if he remains with the team. You can bet on that. NOTHING bad can come from keeping him another year to see. Which one among you thinks he will just lay over and have a bad year, after what theyve accomplised?? Who among you has the courage to say that!? Unless its Garnett for Jason and some other pieces that dont start with the letter A or M, Id do it. that said, KEEP JASON RICHARSON IN OAKLAND

Al Harrington. Nellie really nailed it in an interview. The Don mentioned that he see's Al as a perfect sixth man, he is not a starting 4, and he is a bad rebounder. He didnt mention that hes earning almost 8 millon dollars a year, with three more remaining on his contract. Moving Harrington would be one step closer to being able to resign Andris and Ellis to long-term contracts. Do it now, while hes fresh off the playoffs. He has value and hes not a bad fit for Charlotte if you look at their roster. They could easily play him at 4, and slide Okafor to the 5, and Al could also play the 3 and spell Wallace. O'Bryant will be a good player, but I dont think hes right for our system. He could fit in at Charlotte. He could come off the bench for them and continue to grow. Hey, kid obviously has talent, and must have SOME value, if Mully took him at 9. Mully's no idiot. Mully is certainly Mully.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 25, 2007 5:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i'd do that

but it may not be enough

by AJC3317 on Jun 25, 2007 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

would you rather have J-Rich or Brewer? or Yi?

"the situation really just calls for letting the two(Baron and Jason)of them play together next season, completely healthy, focused, and in tune. THEN, Mully should take a step back, access the situation, and based on the success and the chemistry between the two guys. THEN he could take a really good,hard look at ELLIS and decide whether or not he is ready to be a made guy."

Brewer might become better than Jason but I don't think Yi will. Yi is too tall to be a good smallball player and too soft to be a good board banger. I agree we should keep Jason as our 2 guard for at least another year since Monta might never get good enough to replace him. We need the rebounds that Jason provides more than we need a billion chinese fans or the monta to the rim highlights. Shedding Jason for salary purposes is a dumbass move cause if we replace him with someone as good we'll have to eventually pay them the same as Jason or more. We've invested o lot in our boy so we should value him for it.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 25, 2007 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

1st point, i'd hope if the guy at 8 was as good as

jrich, mully wouldn't make the same mistake twice & overpay by $5-6 mill a year.

2nd, that decision wouldn't happen for another 4 yrs.

3rd, even though JR's better than Monta, keeping JR means possibly losing Monta (since they'll probably opt to keep Beans over him).

(3B)But in order to attempt to resign Monta & Beans, another problem arises, losing Barnes - b/c they can't offer him a two or more year deal w/o being over the luxury tax in '08-09 while paying Beans, Monta & their 1st round picks (esp. if they overpay one or the other).

(3C)and Barnes probably had more to do w/ team chemistry than Jrich - it was the UCLA connection of BD & Barnes combined w/ BD's longtime friendships w/ Sjax & Al that seemed like the biggest contributors.

4th, it'll restrict their use of the MLE to 1 yr deals.

5th, we should receive a huge traded player exception.

6th, as little as he's shown, they can afford not to cut POB & pick up the team option in '08-'09.

7th, it'll be almost guaranteed that they can extend Baron.

by the evil monkey on Jun 25, 2007 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes...

i agree, why not give Harringtons contract to charlotte with O'Bryant, the 18, and next years pick, for the #8? it certainly wouldnt cost us anything, we're young and stocked enough not to need another pick for just one year, and we could resign Andris now.. The key would be to balance his contract so that he would make the most of his money towards the end of the remaining years, and less money in the beginning. This way, we could keep his contract, and Foyle's. and after the 2 years on Foyle is up, We will have all that room to spend on Ellis. Could it work?

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 25, 2007 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

nope.

other than the perceived anomaly that stems from those under gilbert arenas rule, i believe that salaries can only be raised as a percentage of whatever the 1st year of the contract is.

you can't backload contracts.

by the evil monkey on Jun 25, 2007 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Al is not good enough

Jrich is younger and was a former 20 point scorer. Al has yet to average 19. The Cats' are looking for a sg, not a sf, even with their "maybe" loss of Gerald Wallace. I just don't think Al is worth enough. Jrich would be more than enough. If we can swing a deal like this, i hope we retain the 18th overall selection, having two picks can net us Yi, for offense, and splitter, smith, or williams for D. eh...prolly not smith. haha.

On a Nellie ball team do you all really believe Jrich can ever put up 24 ppg again?? i don't know, tell me what you think

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by kenntoe on Jun 25, 2007 6:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

perhaps your right about Al

Al Harrington might be not be enough.. But I have a feeling that the Orlando Magic will go after Gerald Wallace(even though we should). If thats the case, then there will be a need for the Cat's to fill. Even then, they could still use Al as their 4 and play Okafur at center. I think Omeka would be a more effective 5 anyways, especially with the direction the NBA is going. I think Harrington is capable of averaging 20 points a game. And thats the damnable misery of it.. this guy is 6-9 250 lbs, with skills.. Hes got a nice soft touch, and can take advantage of big men with his ballhandeling. I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY HE JUST KEEPS SHOOTING 3's. He admits to falling in love with his jumpshot and letting it dominate his game. If Nellie can get him off that and start utilizing his skills, he can average 20 ppg. Hes got the tools to really create havoc. He just settles for the three. When hes off, he gets too down on himself, not very mentally tough, and he often shoots himself out of games. BUT IF CHRIS MULLIN CAN TRADE MIKE DUNLEAVY AND TROY MURPHY, THEN WHO KNOWS

and yes... I think Jason can and will average 23 ppg again.. Nellie really needs to play J Rich OFF the ball like a Ray Allen or Rip Hamilton. J Rich's game is the best moving off the ball. NOT creating off the dribble from the top of the wing. He is fast, he is strong and can fight through screens, once he gets back to his mid range game, he will rack up more points. Moving without the ball, catching from 15-18 ft. and popping. Then, if he has to drive, he needs only 1-3 dribbles, where he is most effective because of his finishing ability and post up game, instead of just giving him the ball way up top and expecting him to slash and create. THAT IS NOT HIS GAME, I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE WANT TO TRY TO MAKE IT BE. Jason Richardson will make everyone proud. Do not negate him.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 25, 2007 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

trading Al vs. JRich

I think the idea behind trading JRich is that we have Monta Ellis waiting in the wings waiting to be the starting SG, so our guard situation wouldn't be too crippled making JRich seem somewhat expendable.

Trading Al Harrington would leave us with a gaping hole at the 4 spot, which is already our thinnest position depth wise (both PF and C). Al Harrington may not be starter-worthy in some peoples' eyes, but he's really all we got at that position.

by jlagace on Jun 25, 2007 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not even in Nelson's eyes

he all but said Al is not a good 4, can't rebound and is best as a bench guy

by Zig on Jun 25, 2007 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

do it

DO IT DO IT DO IT

by djchuckdeez on Jun 25, 2007 8:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Well

someone on the Warriors has to go. And J-Rich is the most likely to be traded based on his value and Don Nelson. We have to let someone go, to be within the salary cap stuff. Its a pretty good deal since this years draft is so deep. Id make the deal, just for the fact that J-Rich has reached his full potential as a bball player and theres not much more to expect, except being nominated to the All Star Game.

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by ballin on Jun 25, 2007 8:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

trade al not j rich

how do you know hes reached his full potential? how can you say that about a guy who gets better every year? i thought you reach your full potential at 28-30? can i borrow your crystal ball some time buddy? anyway, Harrington is the one to go. and i dont want to hear all that crap about not being able to trade him cuz hes not valuable enough. I DONT WANT TO HEAR IT. And as far as our situation at the 4, I think Mullin should do this, trade Harrington, O'Bryant and the pick for a higher position in the draft, and see what you got when your on the clock. If theres not a big man there, you take the best guy available with the most value, then you get on the horn and trade the rights to him for a respectable big man who can play both the 4 and 5 spot, and runs. This way, we trade Harrington and his big contract(only 2 mil less than JR), we trade a guy that earns starter dollar who Nellie has said is not a starting 4, we trade him and our pick for someone we really want, whether it be a young talent in the draft or some other stud in the league. We use that money to sign Beans to a long term contract NOW, while hes still young enough not to demand something rediculous. then we wait out our situation with Richardson and Ellis. Either way, I think we're finally gon be alright. we cant lose.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 25, 2007 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

if brewer

is a gerald wallace type player then i would consider making this deal only if we could getr him. i don't want noah or some other bum

by travisl212 on Jun 25, 2007 9:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Haggle

If trading one of our core players means to trade up in the draft, why not trade for the 5th pick? It would be cool to trade up into the lottery of this deep draft, but J-Rich was a top 5 pick in the 2001 draft. We wanna make this team better and by trading for the 8th pick would do that, it would seem unfair to us. Personally, I wouldn't do this trade. J-Rich has been our veteran professional other than Foyle. We want to make sure that he's welcomed to stay with us until he retires.

by Phil T28 on Jun 26, 2007 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs