Rumor: Warriors Not Happy with Monta Ellis' Maturity Level
If you told me Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Jermaine O'Neal, Paul Pierce, Lamar Odom or Jason Richardson were traded I'd be shocked. However, I'd be even more shocked if you told me about this [via Rotoworld]:
Or even this [via RealGM message board posting]:
Don Nelson and Chris Mullin apparently don't get along with Monta Ellis, and Ellis is apparently an idiot of JR Rider proportions. They feel an implosion is imminent with the kid, either of ego, or stupid criminal incidents. They are also majorly enamored with Yi Jianlian, not necessarily because he'll be a huge star, but because he would generate untold millions in merchandise sales a la Yao in Houston. Also the SF met area has the highest percentage of Asians in the entire country..........makes sense.
Anyways, don't expect to see Ellis in a GS uniform next year. By all accounts he has done some things over the past 6 months which have left Mullin/Nelson wanting to ship him out sooner rather than later.
Just read some other threads here, and looks like there have not only been Atlanta rumors, but Memphis as well. Get used to it.......Ellis has worn out his welcome. I wish I had more specifics about the incidents.....maybe the success is going to his head? No idea.
I'm not really sure what to make about these rumors about the conflict between Nelson and Mullin with Ellis. I've never heard or read anything about this to date of this seriousness. I've heard Nellie detail his frustrations with Monta not running his plays and turning the ball over carelessly sometimes on the his radio show on KNBR 680 with the Razor and Mr. T, but nothing to this extent. I also remember checking out Monta's profile on Draft Express that rose some red flags about his character soon after the Warriors selected him in 2005, but they didn't seem to translate to anything we've seen or heard about the past 2 years of his NBA tenure:
You really have to wonder...
At any rate, Monta Ellis does not seem be least bit untouchable in the eyes of the Warriors' front office. I have a feeling he's the most likely Warrior to get dealt by tomorrow.
Have you heard or read anything about Monta's maturity level being a worry for the Warriors' organization?
99% of rumors never happen, but 99% of them are fun to talk about!
More Monta rumors:
- Rumor: Monta Ellis for the Hawks #3
- Rumor: Warriors Turned Down Monta Ellis for the Hawks' 11th Pick
- Rumor: Monta Ellis + #18 Pick for Bobcats' #8 Pick
UPDATE: Pree from Hoopsworld says Don't believe this stuff about Monta having issues with the team
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Wow I have never heard anything like that
by dallaswarrior on Jun 27, 2007 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
me neither..
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 27, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez!
I wince when I read stuff like this.
by johnl on Jun 27, 2007 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Story"
This is all stuff I've NEVER heard before. I have no idea what to make of it. As always just passing along what's out there.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 27, 2007 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with JohnL
Secondarily, I'd add that if someone in the Bobcats or Hawks front office were to happen on this site, they might be less inclined to pull the trigger on a deal. Loose lips sink ships. If I were you, Atma, I'd delete this whole thread.
by Sleepy Freud on Jun 27, 2007 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Read carefully- I did not make any knocks on Monta's character. I was even shocked by these quotes in the post above.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 27, 2007 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with all due respect Atma...
Im not saying that your choice to put this up is right or wrong. Im just trying to make it clearer to you what I think people are trying to say. Theyre not putting you down or trying to put words in your mouth, they just think that this could be a little destructive since this website attracts quite a bit of publicity. Thats all.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 27, 2007 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it destructive?
Let's not forget that the Warriors are rumored to move Monta to the Bobcats whose GM is Rod Higgins. I'm assuming and hoping that Higgins wouldn't form his opinion on Monta based on these quotes from these respective websites. That would tell me he slept through his entire tenure as the Warriors' GM.
Honestly I can't say I have all the answers on this one. I know people in the Warriors' front office read GSoM, but I have no idea if personnel from other NBA front offices pay attention to GSoM. This isn't too say that people in any of these front offices, particularly the Warriors, take any of the ideas posted on here by any of the writers or loyal community members seriously. At least I'd hope the Warriors are looking to Nellie for ideas, not GSoM.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 27, 2007 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
relax atma
by GameSix on Jun 28, 2007 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atma
But. . . .I still think if you'd given it a bit more thought you'd have held off -- at least until you could get some -- any -- corroboration. (And I've seen none since.) Here's an imperfect analogy: someone writes Player X is gay -- no evidence is offered, purely surmise. Plus, he suggests it creates locker room tension. Now, do you go with the thread? I hope not -- at least absent any evidence of genuine locker room turmoil.
by johnl on Jun 28, 2007 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmm
by LilJay23 on Jun 27, 2007 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
werd

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by coma on Jun 27, 2007 1:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i dunno
i'd buy it if he were running his mouth about his teammates like kobe did, or if he had any recent incidents with the law, or even if he was ever seen defying nellie or anyone else on the team. personally, i've never seen any of that. i gotta see better sources
by nativeson on Jun 27, 2007 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
merchandising Yi?
And if they don't win games, it's unlikely that he'd continue to help put fans in the seats since no other player has ever sustained a home-court draw on a bad team. Wins sell tickets. Period.
by jae on Jun 27, 2007 1:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wins do sell tickets
by dj fuzzylogic on Jun 27, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yao in Houston
by ssmokinjoe on Jun 27, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree?
Yao Ming has definitely made a ton of money for himself and the league, and undoubtedly some for the Rockets, but most of revenue he generates is shared revenue. Those Yi jerseys wouldn't get sold by the Warriors. They'd be sold by the NBA. National TV games? Into the NBA's general revenue. Some goes to the team, but not so much as you'd expect. Yi would generate tons of money for the franchise and the league, but more-so the latter, less so the former.
by jae on Jun 27, 2007 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
werd
Yi = $$$. Period. Nothing you can say will ever change that.
Your argument holds literally no water and yet you are still bickering like a little girl about it. Give up.

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by coma on Jun 27, 2007 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who cares
by BaronForPrez on Jun 27, 2007 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay.
I mean good to know and all, but I really didn't ask you.

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by coma on Jun 27, 2007 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally out of line
by eshock on Jun 27, 2007 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
get used to it
by gogomaplata on Jun 27, 2007 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Like he sees it.
by jae on Jun 27, 2007 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha ha
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 27, 2007 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 27, 2007 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
another is sponsorships & advertising. if you watch a rockets game you'll notice advertising from chinese companies on the scoreboard table. it may not be a significant amount, but even the hornets made $9.35 million last season from this particular revenue stream. it's believed that most teams pull in at least $15 mill and higher end teams over $30 mill.
also, increased demand from an additional asian fanbase could lead to higher ticket prices. asian corporations could raise the demand and therefore the prices of suites & club seats.
by the evil monkey on Jun 27, 2007 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this isn't up for debate
by GameSix on Jun 28, 2007 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what I *actually* said.
I didn't deny that the Warriors could make more revenue. It was the impact of this that I doubted. It was the wisdom of thinking that a Chinese player, simply because he was Chinese, could have a significant impact, by himself, on team revenues such that it made it worthwhile.
What I said (my actual words) merchandise revenue is controlled by the league profit sharing agreement. This is true because any NBA licensed apparel has a licensing fee that goes to the NBA. I said (my actual words) "They might sell plenty of Yi jerseys, but that money gets distributed around to all the other teams as well." Please note that I didn't deny that they'd make money off of it. I doubted that it would be a substantial impact that would make investing in Yi worthwhile.
The home team keep local concessions and most of the local gate revenue (>90% save the playoffs, which is pooled) and the local TV revenue. The concessions, though not pooled, aren't a huge income generator because of licensing fees. Anything with an NBA logo is shared revenue by virtue of the concession sales buying wholesale through the NBA's merchandising franchise. Yes, you sell more jerseys, you can make more money, but that's just not a straight profit.
The financial analysis of Yao shows that he's a money maker, but much of that money is not made by the Rockets, but the NBA gets a huge chunk of that. The Rockets have substantially increased revenue since his arrival, but it wasn't immediate by any stretch. Their revenue in 01-02 (pre Yao) and 02-03 (with Yao) was an identical $82 million. It's up since then, substantially so and I don't doubt that he had something to do with it, but separating out that from the fact that they went from a team that was bad enough to secure the #1 overall to a team that was a playoff contender factors in as well. Separating out that he also became an elite player is further difficult.
It is possible that there would be greater ticket sales, though I doubt this since there's good published analysis indicating that wins are the only thing that sustain this. You do raise a very interesting point about the cost of the tickets and the possibility of selling the exclusive boxes to a high dollar Asian business community. I'm not sure if this has happened in Houston or not. If it has, I could well be wrong about the potential marketing affects, but I don't think coma's "Yi=$$$" was thinking critically about this nor do I believe he's got any particular insight into this possibility.
The question remains how much of their operating income, realistically, can one player change independent of the team's record? Approximately 30-40% of the "BRI" is shared income. That's the shared gate receipts (very small but some is shared), the shared playoff revenue, the shared merchandising, and national TV, NBA licensing agreements, etc. If the presence of Yi meant more national games (which I've heard as a reason to get him--not necessarily here, but it's been put out there) it wouldn't bring in more money. If it means more Jerseys sold, the revenue will increase, but I do not suspect it's going to offset anything that a change in wins wouldn't dwarf.
Again, though it's easier to argue against what someone thinks I've said that what I actually said, I never said that Yi couldn't bring in more money. It's the magnitude of this revenue that I question. Yao was a novelty of a magnitude greater than Yi, so I would never bank on Yi being as big an earner unless he turns out to be an MVP level player. I'd say that the Warriors would have done their homework about this, but since they may well have hired Montgomery hoping that the "popular local coach" would boost revenue, I'm not so sure that they actually think things through.
by jae on Jun 28, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
by Nooob on Jun 27, 2007 2:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He doesnt seem very smart though,
by dallaswarrior on Jun 27, 2007 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Its that Southern Twang!

by Tony.psd on Jun 27, 2007 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt say he's stupid...
- Justin of Oakland
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 27, 2007 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
libel?
by ArtestJackson08 on Jun 27, 2007 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it it's true
by illmaticwarrior on Jun 27, 2007 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
definitely something to consider
by GameSix on Jun 28, 2007 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
by BaronForPrez on Jun 27, 2007 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying that Monta is,...
by goGSW24 on Jun 27, 2007 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is stupid
by Warrior fan 23 on Jun 27, 2007 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Read Clearly
The point is that maybe he's not a Mullin and Nelson favorite.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jun 27, 2007 2:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Monta is young
by eshock on Jun 27, 2007 3:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
by ViveAirFrance on Jun 27, 2007 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe it
by donyellmarshall on Jun 27, 2007 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My wife and I are season Ticket Holders...

by Tony.psd on Jun 27, 2007 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marcus reports about the deal
We were offered the Atlanta's 11th pick for Monta not the 3rd. Mullin wanted to package 11 and 18 to move up. Seems like the prices are high to get top 5 in this draft. Maybe a conditional move can be made in case Yi falls to 11? Also, of note, Marcus refers to the hype of the "Yi Movement." Congrats GSOM for being the Vox Populi of the Dub Nation.
by eshock on Jun 27, 2007 3:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
im tired of every media
by gogomaplata on Jun 27, 2007 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree
by travisl212 on Jun 27, 2007 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
by AJC3317 on Jun 27, 2007 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Monta
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by MANUTEs BOLs on Jun 27, 2007 4:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i think that this is a
by travisl212 on Jun 27, 2007 9:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Suprising
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by goGSW24 on Jun 27, 2007 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
by 24k state fan since 87 on Jun 27, 2007 11:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I see this
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by Lat We N Trash on Jun 28, 2007 2:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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