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Draft Day Reflection

The day after. It's the realization that one of our family is gone. Jason Richardson gave everything he had to this organization and probably deserved better. Whether it was the right move or not, it still hurts. Hurts because he was one of my favorite players. Hurts because he worked hard to get better each year. Hurts because he apologized to us for not making the playoffs when there were plenty of other places to lay the blame. Standing from afar, as a person, he seemed real and seemed to truly care about making us fans happy. You could see that in the way he celebrated when we made the playoffs and then beat the Mavericks. He is one of the only guys that Warriors fans could be proud of when times were tough. Now he's gone, right when we're tasting the first sweet bites of success. It just doesn't seem right to do your family like that. Best of luck to him in Charlotte. They need a 2-guard and he fits the bill. He will become a better player under MJ, no doubt.

Now, there are now two absolutely can't miss home games, albeit for different reasons. The first is the Indiana game so we can all tell Mike Dunleavy how much we miss him (I'm cheering for Murphy by the way). The second is the Charlotte Bobcat game so we can all tell Jason Richardson how much we appreciated everything he gave to this organization. He will be missed, JRich or Die Flying.

A couple of random thoughts about the draft:


Pray for a trade

Milwaukee, are you serious?!
Drafting Yi was puzzling to me. They basically said "screw you" to the entire country of China. The guy doesn't want to play for you. He wants to play in a metropolitain area and a place with more Chinese people than cheese types. Like Atma was saying to me yesterday, why leave China for Milwaukee? He could just stay home. Drafting a Chinese player isn't about just taking the best player available. It's bigger than financial reasons, bigger than basketball reasons. You have to respect the culture he's coming from, respect the Chinese government, and respect the his wishes of where he'll be comfortable living. The best way to stunt a guy's growth is to put him in an uncomfortable situation. Good job guys, you did just that.

On top of all that, the Bucks NEED wing players to complement Michael Redd, Andrew Bogut and Charlie Villanueva. They could have taken one of the best in the draft in Corey Brewer. Now what are they going to do? Play Bogut, Villanueva and Yi at the same time? Doubtful. Okay I'll stop ranting and raving, but before I do, I hope Yi forces a trade and the Bucks get pennies on the dollar.

This just in: Portland has traded for another player
Seriously, I think Portland just drafted and traded for an entire new team. Everytime I looked up the Blazers had made a trade to pick up an extra draft pick. They have some great young talent there, but they'll need a solid veteran to show them the ropes out there. 12 young guys learning the NBA on their own isn't going to work as well as having someone to mentor them on and off the court. I hope they pick someone up because that team could be very good in a short couple of years.




Jesus Shuttleworth is going to Beantown

Danny Ainge and the Celtics.
Huge risk to trade for Ray Allen. Paul Pierce needs a complementary player, not a guy with similar skills. There were no big men available? No point guards available? P-squared wanted this team to contend in the East. I think they're a playoff team but certainly not good enough to make it to the Eastern Conference Finals. Unless Ainge makes a trade for a decent point guard or center, this team will be one and done. I hope trading away Jeff Green was worth it.

Please turn off Dickie V and Stephen A. Smith
Could these two be any more annoying? You have microphones on. I CAN HEAR YOU. People speak louder to emphasize a point. People do not speak loud the entire time they talk. It makes me want to put the tv on mute. Go away please.

Exciting Draft Day Trades
Yesterday was a very exciting draft, more so than the last few. Outside of the top two picks, a lot went down including three stars moving from West to East: Ray Allen to the Celtics, Zach Randolph to the Knicks and our own Jason Richardson to the Bobcats. This helps even out the conferences for the short term, but the West just picked up two more bright young players.

What if the Sonics had moved to San Jose?
How crazy would that be now with Kevin Durant and Jeff Green going to that team? Man that would have been a lot of fun to watch. In a couple years that team could be sick.

On to the links:

  • ESPN (Chad Ford) - Warriors Grade: A
    I think the Warriors made several excellent moves here. In exchange for Jason Richardson, they got a player with great upside in Wright, who will be at home given Golden State's up-tempo style. He also fits a need in the frontcourt.

    Belinelli also will thrive with Golden State. He loves to let it fly and Nellie will let him.

    But the biggest addition may have been one of subtraction. By sending Jason Richardson packing, the team created a whopping $10 million trade exception that they can use to lure a free agent via sign-and-trade or to help with a trade in the next year.

    Also check out norcaldevilasu's diary about Chad Ford's Draft Grade. Make sure to leave a comment.

  • SLAM Winners and Losers
    Winners: Golden State Warriors - Marco Belinelli is supposed to be nice, but he's not the main reason GS cracks this list. The Warriors unloaded Jason Richardson's monster contract and managed to get Brandan Wright out of the deal, arguably the best player in the draft after Oden and Durant. And in the second round, the Warriors further addressed their frontcourt weaknesses by grabbing UMass eraser Stephane Lasme.
  • Hoopsworld.com (Preetom Bhattacharya)
    ...decided that Richardson was not the best fit in Don Nelson's system. As much as Richardson has been a joy to watch in the open court throughout his tenure in Oakland, his body and game more fit a system where he can slash and create shots for himself in a motion offense. More regimented sets, like the ones that Richardson saw at Michigan state and under Mike Montgomery, seem to fit Richardson better... ...financial aspects of this deal certainly hold strong implications as to why it happened at all. The Warriors shed $11.1-million worth of payroll next season and saved $48-million over the next four years. In today's NBA, those are salary figures meant for the second option on any team - the argument can be made that behind Baron Davis, Richardson was that player for the Warriors, but with the continued growth of Monta Ellis and the addition of Stephen Jackson and Al Harrington, Richardson's status as another go-to guy on the faltered, raising questions as to whether he held value for the Warriors at his salary.
  • The Wright Move (Janny Hu)
    "It was a long, busy day," Warriors vice president Chris Mullin said. "But we made some big moves and it's really going to help improve the team."
  • Draft Day: Tough Choices and a Risky, Bright Future (Adam Lauridsen - Fast Break: A Warriors Fan Blog)
    By trading for Wright, the Warriors immediately move back their timeframe two or three years. We have a tremendously young core of three players in Wright, Andris, and Monta. We'll have the cap space to sign them comfortably and add pieces around them. As the era of Nash and Duncan ends in the West, we'll be hitting full strength. This trade is a concession that we are not - and were not going to be - good enough to compete for a championship now. If Wright lives up to the hype, however, we have a much higher ceiling for the future.
  • Wrapping up a wild Warrior draft (Tim Kawakami)
    I'll get this out of the way first, so I don't bog the whole thing down again with the issue:

    The Warriors are trying to trade for Kevin Garnett. I don't know if I've typed it that directly, but they are.

    They've been trying for years, practically from the first day Chris Mullin took over, they tried a few days ago and they're trying now. That has been Priority No. 1 for a long time.

    A lot of what they do is done with an eye towards improving their position in Garnett talks, and some of the things they do are almost solely to upgrade that positioning.

  • Are the Warriors Still Manuevering for KG? (Can't Stop the Bleeding)
    According to the LA Times’ Mark Heisler, the Warriors might not be finished wheeling and dealing, with Chris Mullin supposedly "offering Wright with center Andris Biedrins and guard Monta Ellis and enough salary to make the deal work to Minnesota for Kevin Garnett."

    Also check out Sgy Jimmy's diary, LA Times rumor regarding Dubs and KG.

  • Update: For a little perspective from the Charlotte side of the trade, check out goldenboywarriors diary, What does Charlotte think of JRich?
This is just the beginning with more links to come! Feel free to drop your own links to articles in the comment to make this link fest stronger.

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Goodman, foxsports.com
 
Dealing Jason Richardson for Brandan Wright. Wow. Terrible move. NBA folks like Wright because of his length, but Don Nelson won't like how soft he is. Then the Warriors went with Marco Belinelli, the 6-foot-5 guard.
Grade: C

by hardcore on Jun 29, 2007 10:06 AM PDT   0 recs

*sigh*
The morning after is incredibly bittersweet for me. As much as I am for the greater good of our team, it still hurts to know that JRich wont be on the court for game 1.

As for Nellie's Belly, I can't wait to watch him make it rain...supposedly

by Genejo on Jun 29, 2007 10:08 AM PDT   0 recs

Now I get it...Why the Bucks took Yi..
GM Larry Harris is the son of Del Harris, who has been coaching the Chinese National Team.  No wonder they didn't need to read any scouting reports, the GM's dad's been grooming him this whole time.  

by ThermoElectro on Jun 29, 2007 10:18 AM PDT   0 recs

the bucks
I think they took Yi for his trade value.  I don't think they actually want him on the team.  It's a risk though.  We shall see.

I'm warming up conceptually to the JRich trade.  The guy was our heart, but this could be a good move and if it brings us closer to the thing I dare not mention than it could be really good.  But I'm saying too much already.  Back to sitting and watching.

by walkerp on Jun 29, 2007 10:22 AM PDT   0 recs

Forgot to post my source..
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/sports/basketball/29nba.html?ref=sports
When Stern announced that Yi Jianlian, the 6-11 forward from China, went to the Milwaukee Bucks with the sixth pick, Yi and his parents, former postal workers, accepted the news soberly. Milwaukee had not been invited to private workouts to view Yi and he knew very little about the Midwest city.

Bucks General Manager Larry Harris said before the draft that he did not have a problem picking a player he had not seen. But soon after the pick, there were some issues.

Yi's agent, Dan Fegan, was upset and indicated that Chinese basketball officials, who have the final word on releasing Yi, might block Yi from going to the N.B.A. Fegan said that perhaps a trade could be possible.

He and Chinese basketball officials wanted Yi to play in a city with a large Chinese population. But Harris said one existed an hour away -- Chicago. Also Harris's father, Del, was the coach of the Chinese national team at the 2004 Athens Summer Games and spoke extensively to Harris about this exciting, athletic talent who can run, jump, block shots and make 3-pointers.

-Liz Robbins
NY Times

by ThermoElectro on Jun 29, 2007 10:24 AM PDT   0 recs

KG...
I'm not sure if the Warriors will be able to package the trade exception with other players for the player they want; but if so, it seems Harrington, Wright, the exception and Sarunas for KG would work.  But if I'm the Warriors I'd probably also want Craig Smith.

by Jeremy on Jun 29, 2007 10:33 AM PDT   0 recs

when
the rumours are Wright, AL, AB, and Monta for KG... that deal seems really cheap for us. but well, I hope we get lucky and somehow ran away with that deal.

I also hope Milwaukee gets screwed big time... hehe.

by lightz0ut on Jun 29, 2007 10:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that...
... is too much to ask for on Minnesota's side.  The Warriors are already giving up quite a bit - and Minnesota is going to have some cap room as a result, which they desperately need.  

I'd do Harrington, Ellis, Sarunas and the exception and a future first round pick, but giving up Biedrins + Wright is too much.

by Jeremy on Jun 29, 2007 10:41 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

sentimental analysis
i agree with the ideas that, one, we love j-rich, and, two, it would be great to see yi play in an area with lots of chinese folks.  however, let's try to keep some level of basketball analysis here, beyond the heart strings.

regarding j-rich: as many of the links say, this was a strategic move on many levels.  despite the sentiment here -

he's gone, right when we're tasting the first sweet bites of success. It just doesn't seem right to do your family like that.

-basketball is business, not family.  mullin is committed to success over emotional bonds.  that is what it takes to win.

regarding yi: the quotes here are too outlandish.  

Drafting Yi was puzzling to me. They basically said "screw you" to the entire country of China. The guy doesn't want to play for you. ... Drafting a Chinese player isn't about just taking the best player available. It's bigger than financial reasons, bigger than basketball reasons. You have to respect the culture he's coming from, respect the Chinese government, and respect the his wishes of where he'll be comfortable living. The best way to stunt a guy's growth is to put him in an uncomfortable situation. Good job guys, you did just that.

is this for real?  milwaukee really just said, "I LOVE YOU CHINA!  COME HAVE FUN WITH US!!!"  they respected Yi - he was the best value there.  if Yi is really going to play hardball about not going to the midwest, then that is BUSINESS (there's that word again) - he's trying to negotiate for the best possible situation for himself.  that is fair - but don't get it twisted, it's not about respect.  it's about everyone maximizing their self-interst.  if i'm milwaukee, i want Yi - but if i can't have him, i want the Dubs/Lakers/Sixers/Knicks/Celts to give some serious value for him.  all this nonsense about disrespecting the chinese people and the chinese government is a bunch of crap.  what is really going on is you are not respecting the perspective of milwaukee, you are simply representing Yi.

by OaktownWarrior on Jun 29, 2007 10:37 AM PDT   0 recs

Dead on analysis regarding Jianlian
It's all business, and that is that. I do agree that it seems he would not be the best fit for the Bucks given their current roster, but everyone seems to care what this bum Yi thinks about... but what about the team cuttin' the checks? If this bum pulls a Eli Manning and forces a trade, it's just going to be another notch on my anti-Yi belt. It would actually be worse than what Manning did; at least Manning's "excuse" was he wanted to play for a more competitive team, or something like that. This move would be made strictly on the issue of race which is pathetic at best. Get over yourself you punk!  

by Tony Stark on Jun 29, 2007 10:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And this is why the rest of the world hates us...
Your analysis is absolutely spot on 100% right. And it is exactly why the rest of the world hates the United States. We (in the US and the NBA) live by the Godfather quote, "It isn't personal, its just business." But the rest of the world doesn't look at life that way. They just don't.

This pick by a Bucks team, that is just trying to do the best they can for themselves in the face of the rules, epitomizes the tunnel vision of American foreign policy.

You can argue who's right and who's wrong until you are blue in the face, but frankly it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is that THEY view it as a disrespect.

by McJ on Jun 29, 2007 11:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh,
the US is not the only country that 'thinks like this'. That's wholly absurd. The people who make the decisions in the NBA know it's a business first and foremost, so obviously they're going to  make their decisions accordingly. If there's another country that thinks exactly like this, it's China. Why do you think they want Yi to play somewhere where there's a large Asian population? So he'll be more comfortable? Please. But lets not get into this conversation now.

I'm just wondering how anyone could be surprised or upset with Milwaukee for picking Yi. The kid is 19, never played a minute in the NBA, and is crying about where he wants to play. So we're suposed to feel bad for him? This is a business, first and foremost. The Bucks made a business decision, drafting Yi. They got the best player available, and they got some trade leverage, if they decide to go that route. If I were the Bucks' GM, I'd have picked Yi too. Absolutely nothing wrong there. And as for Yi, he's making a business move as well by saying where he wants to play. By doing that, he's gaining leverage for further negotiations. All this talk about disrespecting the Chinese culture and Yi just seems really silly.

Finally hoops hope in the City Of Dope?

by oaklandish on Jun 29, 2007 12:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I do not disagree...
Yi was the best prospect on the board, the Bucks had every right to take him, it was a smart basketball move. I am neither surprised nor upset.

HOWEVER, your claim that "All this talk about disrespecting the Chinese culture and Yi just seems really silly." simply proves my point that you, the Bucks, and so many other Americans just don't get it. You simply don't understand why this is NOT silly and why it IS disrespectful.

We have an imbedded belief in the Capitalist Secular Democratic ideal. And you are right, we aren't the only ones. But we do have a unique brand of Manifest Destiny individualism that permeates our preconceptions of every situation.

Yi is coming to the US to play basketball in the NBA. There is no argument but that he will need to make radical adjustments in his perceptions to transition to this new role. I get that. I also get that it isn't the role of the NBA or any team specifically to coddle him just because he is from China. He chose to come here, not the other way around.

BUT, as others have pointed out already, Yi represents (just as Yao did before him) the entirety of the largest and one of the most ancient cultures on earth.

All I'm saying is that the Chinese and Indian and Japanese and most Muslim cultures simply DO NOT share our values. And in turn, we do a great job of not respecting theirs.

by McJ on Jun 29, 2007 12:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

RE
This is probably the wrong place to be getting into a discussion about this, but I'd like to reply to a few of your points.

I agree there is much more culturally embedded in Yi coming to the NBA than I gave credit to in my previous post. I was just trying to prove a point. I understand he is representing a huge nation on a global stage by choosing to play in the NBA. I also understand how much American has gotten wrong in it's disregard of every non-western culture.  The biggest tragedy of our recent foreign policy, in my eyes, has been the meteoric rise of our levels of alienation from the rest of the world. This will have a more lasting negative effect on our country for longer than anything else (save perhaps environmental policy).

I actually DO get it. I get what you're saying. I simply disagree with it. It has nothing to do with not respecting another culture. In terms of the 'Capitalist Secular Democratic Ideal' you speak of, China is, in many ways, worse than the US in terms of their 'Manifest Destiny Individualism' (since when was this an undergraduate polysci message board?). The Chinese government is thinking of this in terms of business and money and image just as much as the Milwaukee Bucks are. You act as if the Chinese government has only the best, and most oh-so perfectest un-American capitalist intentions for Yi simply because they are not American capitalists. A bunch of saints they certainly aren't . The Chinense government has perpetrated some of the worst crimes against humanity (mass genocide) in their occupation of Tibet that the world has ever seen. Talk about not respecting another culture. Please, please don't take this hackneyed 'just because the US are a bunch of assholes means that everyone else is a saint' viewpoint.

This is the way professional sports work in every country (really  it's how any large corporate business works in any country). Everything is just magnified here. Teams from all over the world pull this kind of contractual crap and hold the rights to certain players against their will all the time. I remember recently when American soccer player Landon Donovan couldn't play in the US for a while because Bayer Munich of Germany had bought his rights when he was like 17 and wouldn't let him opt out of his contract. I know the Yi situation has lot more riding on it than a young Landon Donovan, but I see the parameters as being exactly the same. Both are pure, cold, capital business decisions. And in today's ever-increasing global economy, they have far less to do with American values than you seem to think.

Finally hoops hope in the City Of Dope?

by oaklandish on Jun 29, 2007 1:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I do believe we have come full circle
We are all broken. The Bucks, the Chinese, you, me AND Mark Cuban. I agree that I was oversimplistic in my previous approach, and I made the Chinese appear to be altruistic in ways that they certainly are not.

I just think that there are so many non-simple ramifications to every decision in today's modern world that to claim that anything is "just business" is naive. It appears that you agree.

However, it also appears that sometimes the complexities are so unresolveable that we simple throw our hands in the air and say, "Screw it." and make the best decision we can.

If I had been in the Bucks draft room, I probably would have advocated the same action.

All of that said, I appreciate the dialogue.

by McJ on Jun 29, 2007 5:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Same Here
Finally hoops hope in the City Of Dope?

by oaklandish on Jun 29, 2007 9:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oaklandish
i love the posters, l'il bobby hutton and bruce lee, and of course the logo and the cultural movement.

i worked with a nonprofit group in oakland, oakland leaf and one of our board members, dr. levinsky, used to speak of you.

much respect.  holler at me if you are ever looking for project partners in the 'town.

by OaktownWarrior on Jun 29, 2007 6:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, dude.
I'm just a poser. I live in Oakland, and have been a fan of and participant in Oaklandish activities and the movement and all that for a while, and this being a Warriors site, I thought the name would be cool. But the Oakland Leaf project sounds really cool. I'm a musician, and am all about different kinds of Urban Art outreach and stuff like that. Much respect to you, sir!
Finally hoops hope in the City Of Dope?

by oaklandish on Jun 29, 2007 9:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

word!
the name is good, i appreciated your posts

by OaktownWarrior on Jun 30, 2007 12:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is about being a basketball fan
Honestly, basketball shouldn't be about business. The moment I accept that moves made by teams are okay because it's business is the day I sell my soul. I'm a fan, period. I couldn't care less about whether Milwaukee does well. Do you?

You think people are going to give "serious value" for Yi. I doubt it, especially if he holds out or refuses to play. Then the Bucks have a player on their hands who won't mind sitting out a year and playing in China. I don't see teams ponying up "serious value" for him after that. That was not a very smart basketball move.

By the way, that is definitely not an "I love you China, come play with us". Please. If they really had the interests of the Chinese people in mind, they would want to see Yi succeed in a city where he can feel at home. I have doubts he's going to feel comfortable living in Milwaukee.

I'm a fan of Yi. I want him to do well. I don't think Milwaukee has his best interests nor the interests of the Chinese government in mind. Don't get it twisted, Yi is more than just another basketball player. We can't look at him strictly in terms of basketball value. He's the 2nd major basketball star to come out of China to the US. Whether he wants to or not, he's representing China, just like Yao did. If he fails, it's a reflection on Chinese basketball as a whole, not just an isolated incident. That's a lot of pressure and that means he should be in the best possible position to succeed. Milwaukee is not the best situation for him to be successful.

by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 29, 2007 11:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Interests of the Chinese government????
"I don't think Milwaukee has his best interests nor the interests of the Chinese government in mind"

Why prey tell, should the Bucks have the interests of the Chinese government in mind at all?  That is one of the most ridiculous comments have heard on this subject.  Last time I looked Milwaukee was not yet a part of China.

IF Lew Alcindor aka Kareem Abdul-Jabbar managed to put up with Milwaukee for about six years without whining about disrespecting his culture then Yi and the Chinese government can do the same.

by Ace Fury on Jun 29, 2007 1:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

just a thought... lol
Just thinking about Yi and The Chinese Government is like comparing Drago and The Russian Government in Rocky 4! You gotta please them cats or Yi won't be steppin' foot in Milwaukee- shoot, all my oriental friends are bummed out they wanted him in Oakland coz he'd only a bart ride away!!

New photoshop fun...

Fun Webpin outta respect...

by Tony.psd on Jun 29, 2007 4:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks
See you missed the entire point...

In having the best interests of the Chinese government, I'm referring to that on a basketball level. By drafting Yi, the Bucks have to deal with not only Yi and his agent, but the Chinese government. Who do you think is letting Yi come to play in the NBA?

Sorry, I wasn't around when Kareem played in Milwaukee. Could you explain to me the similarities between the two situations? When did Yi whine about Milwaukee disrespecting his culture?

by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 29, 2007 4:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Today on ESPN
they told that the biggest loser of the night were the bobcats cuz of J-Rich contract and cuz he isnt a franchise player just a good player and that this is the worst move that air-jordan has done since drafting Kwame Brown
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by goldenberto on Jun 29, 2007 10:51 AM PDT   0 recs

Forget KG
He is old and getting older, trading Monta, Andris, and Wright for him would be a huge mistake but I don't think that is about to happen

by BaronForPrez on Jun 29, 2007 11:55 AM PDT   0 recs

MAN IS THIS A WHINE -THON
I love this site but stop with the JRich is family crap my Goodness. He is a basketball player who makes a crap load of money for playing a game. I cant believe how emotional everyone is a bout this. Ya its too bad in some ways but its about not being in the lottery for a long time and staying in the playoffs. Not about holding JRICH's hand.

 

by dallaswarrior on Jun 29, 2007 12:00 PM PDT   0 recs

its about man man crushes
some of these guys are on his nuts to an almost creepy level

by Zig on Jun 29, 2007 12:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Beyond creepy
especially when we are asking for his address and talking about getting him gifts in the diaries.

by dallaswarrior on Jun 29, 2007 12:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

JRich
Look, when I put my heart and soul into rooting for a team and also a certain player, that team becomes part of my life. I live and die by the Warriors, not just wins and losses but the personnel too. That kind of investment of personal time and emotion cannot be measured by dollars or basketball decisions.

It's fine for you to stay on the outside looking in without having a personal or emotional investment in the players or the team, but respect those who do.

by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 29, 2007 12:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I dont have to respect that it sounds sad to me
that you are that invested in a team you are no part of.
If you know JRICH personally then I understand but otherwise its pathetic

by dallaswarrior on Jun 29, 2007 1:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it sounds sad to me

"that you are that invested in a team you are no part of'

   That's the definition of Fan, if you don't understand that then why are you here?

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 29, 2007 4:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

sorry i must clarify everything for you
skeptic but you obviuosly dont have the intellect to understand what I am saying so here you go. "That involved" refers to the extreme level at which he is letting Chris Mullin determine how he feels. Being a fan is not investing your life into a team to the point of tear. Can you comprehend that or do you need to paste a quote into every singe post you have and pick apart sentences when they obviously have nothing to do with the point
THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE W'S

by dallaswarrior on Jun 29, 2007 6:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay.
No. I refuse to respect people who do. You can't just invest your emotions on someone and then get pissed off when the team trades them high. It makes no sense. Don't demand respect, and all the while you guys are running around disrespecting the franchise you "live and die by". If you live and die by them, then stop whining and start accepting and understanding that what they did was the best thing for the team. It was a smart move, a GREAT move, and it will only improve this team for years to come.

Maybe if he was traded to an eastern contender you'd be more content about it, but he wasn't. If they had traded pretty much anybody who was a part of that fantastic run last year, warriors fans would be all up in a damn huff.

Look at it this way, he was a fantastic player while he was here, we got to watch the guy peak as a fantastic player, and now he's on his way out.

If I had my droughthers, I'd like the warriors to retire his jersey number. Yeah, that's how much respect I had for the guy.

But you don't see me whining like a little baby about it. Come on now. And the writers for this blog are compromising their credibility by looking at this one-sidedly. I have all the respect in the world for you guys but come on now. The game was built to be played this way.


http://westcoastbiased.blogspot.com

by coma on Jun 29, 2007 1:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I feel sad for you
go get a girlfriend and some sun

by Zig on Jun 29, 2007 3:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Please...
How old are you? 10?

What does getting a girlfriend and sun have to do with this? I have both. It's called loyalty, go get some.

Why do you feel sad for me? Because I'm a die hard Warriors fan? Because I appreciate the things that JRich did?

by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 29, 2007 4:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he was kidding, FJ
I mean, you've posted pix of both yourself and your girlfriend on this site. IIRC, you're both perfectly cute and look like you get just the right amount of sun. ;-)

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 29, 2007 6:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I hope he was kidding
odd sense of humor though. thanks sleepy.

by Fantasy Junkie on Jun 29, 2007 6:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yes a joke
not odd to me.  I am a loyal Warriors fan since the days of Sleepy Floyd (so you do the math on my age)

I just think the man crush stuff is funny.  I used the same joke for people waiting in like for the IPhone

I liked J_rich a lot.  I watched him go crazy at the SF ProAM against Oakland after his first year and the guy was literally amazing that night

That said he makes 10 million per year and it was very good trade.  Paraphrasing Nelson, once you start making the huge money you are always at risk of being traded.  Its business

by Zig on Jun 30, 2007 8:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I feel sorry for you that you are taking it this
hard... I feel like its over the top to be so infinitly invested in a player you dont know. It seems like you are more a jr fan then a warriors fan because it seems like you are only mad that they dealt him not that they received the compensation they did for him
THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE W'S

by dallaswarrior on Jun 29, 2007 6:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you
No one is HAPPY to see J-Rich go and it kinda does really stink that a "loyal" fan-favorite like J-Rich gets traded when the team finally becomes competitive. At the same time, however, this deal keeps the team competitive by filling a need with a potential high-ceiling future stud, getting rid of a redundancy positionwise and clearing much needed cap-space.

So, I don't blame anyone for being bummed, but it's not like the W's got ripped off. They made out very well in this deal and for that, the fans should be grateful, but they have to look at it objectively and put their emotions aside. Being a fan favorite doesn't win games. It's time to start looking forward.

Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious.

by Kobe on Jun 29, 2007 1:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No way
the warriors trade Monta, Biedrins, and Wright.  Two of those players at most in my opinion.

Is it me or is the drafting of Belinelli evidence that Monta will stay: Belinelli is a (relatively) big guard who can play solid defense, is athletic, and can shoot 3's.  Basically, he's a great compliment to both Baron and Monta.  

When playing with Baron, Belinelli can bring the ball up the floor and camp on the outside while Baron runs the O.  With Monta in, Belinelli becomes the PG but Monta can still create a ton of offense.

I don't see the warriors trading both Monta and JRich in the same offseason, even if it nets KG.  At this point, if something happens, I see the warriors trading their exception for a talented player and adding that player to Harrington or Foyle (depending on how good the unknown piece is), a first, and Wright to get KG.  

Hopefully Andris and Monta are off the table at this point but we will see.

by BingBluNT on Jun 29, 2007 12:20 PM PDT   0 recs

The future
I can see how this trade helps the team in the future. In a few years, Belinelli and Wright will most likely be amazing players who are helping the franchise a lot.

The only problem is, will Nellie be around that long? He's the perfect guy to shape the players they just got in the draft, but he almost decided not to come back this year. If he leaves, is there anyone else who can bring his style of play and be as smart as him? I don't think there is.

GOOD LUCK, JRICH. WE MISS YOU, MAN.

by goGSW24 on Jun 29, 2007 12:26 PM PDT   0 recs

Yi
If it's disrespectful for the Milwaukee Bucks to draft Yi, then it is also equally disrespectful that Yi would only work out for a few select teams, not workout against any competition, and say he would only play for 4 out of 30 teams in the entire league. No one deserves special treatment, government and culture should not be involved in draft positioning.

I feel the same way about American players complaining about where they want to play. It is an honor to play in the NBA, a player receives great compensation and high status for playing the game of basketball. Everyone that wishes to play in the NBA should understand this.  Some might think it is selfish for the Bucks to draft Yi and "hold him hostage," but Yi and his representatives are also selfish for trying to get what they want when a lot of other draftees accept the decisions made by the franchises that draft them.

by manutefor3 on Jun 29, 2007 12:49 PM PDT   0 recs

i don't
see it as disrespectful...when u go for a job interview do you go to each and every one? hell to the no! You have the right to pick and choose the job you want to your own best interest.

BTW. i can't believe the wide spread Butt-hurtism going on throughout this site. Guys, these are grown ass men here, get over it and accept the fact Jrich is gone.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league. Purgatory is thy home.

by kenntoe on Jun 29, 2007 1:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

this isn't Starbucks
Are you seriously comparing a 9 to 5 job to the NBA? This is not an ordinary job interview to earn $8.00 an hour. This is an opportunity to earn millions of dollars a year regardless of which one of the 30 teams decides to draft a prospect. It is funny how many people try to compare professional sports to regular jobs, there is a big difference between an NBA player and a cashier at Starbucks.

It is a great opportunity to just be drafted in the NBA, so it doesn't make sense to tell teams: I won't play for you.

by manutefor3 on Jun 29, 2007 3:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you're way off target
If Yi was Asian-American, key word "American," there probably wouldn't be a problem with Milwaukee.  He probably still wouldn't like it(who would?), but, as another poster specified, he is from China, you know, that country in Asia.  That in  and of itself makes him a special case.  You can't compare his situation to that of European players.  There have been way more Euros than Asians in the league and since Europeans are white, it's reasonable to assume they won't feel a level of discomfort that a guy from China could potentially feel.  Hell, I'm Asian-American and I don't feel comfortable in the Midwest.  I visited a friend at Northwestern in Chicago and I could not believe how racist it was in a major U.S. city.  I was called "Chinaman" and "gook" while walking the f'in streets of Chicago (I'm Japanese-Filipino, btw).  I guess that's why I stay in the BAY.  If I don't feel comfortable in Chicago, how the hell do you think Yi's gonna feel comfortable in Milwaukee?  

It makes sense to tell teams "I won't play for you." others have done it in the past.  Kobe Bryant forced Charlotte to trade him to the Lakers, Steve Francis wanted no part of Vancouver among other examples.  Hell, even Joakim Noah refused to work out for Milwaukee.  Greg Oden refused to work out for Seattle (he interviewed with them though).  Outside of these examples, whether you like it or not (or are able to grasp the complexities of this situation), Yi is a special case.  Whether you think he's overhyped or the real deal, he has a lot riding on his career in the NBA.  So of course his representation would want to get get him in the best position for him to succeed.  You can't compare his situation with U.S. born players (of any race or ethnicity) or even European players.  His reps flat out denied Milwaukee the chance to see him work out.  It's like forcing a girl to be your girlfriend even though she wants no part of you.  It's stupid, especially with the talent that was left on the board (Brewer, B.Wright (who's pretty much the same prospect as Yi with less skills), etc.).  

by TVN on Jun 29, 2007 7:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's like forcing a girl to be your girlfriend
 " even though she wants no part of you."

 No it's like payin your money and getting the pick of the whores in the whorehouse.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jun 29, 2007 7:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it will take me
Until wright makes a last second tip jam to win a game to get over the j rich trade. Everybody around here knows what jrich is to the warriors so I'm not going to add to it but...

This trade is also made to counter the portland factor in which we will now have players to at least limit a potentially triple tower line up of magloire/pryzbilla oden and aldridge. Now we have more flexibility to go all small or all big or whatever concoction nellie has in his kitchen.

I'm also just talking to console myself. I actually said this last night: "I'd rather lose with jrich than win without him"

Let me now cry over my lucky me pancit canton..

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Jun 29, 2007 12:51 PM PDT   0 recs

Wow
I liked JRich a lot, though he certainly had a lot of shortcomings as a player.  

But you'd rather lose with him than win without him?  WTF?  

This officially qualifies as a man-crush.  

by DrDre on Jun 29, 2007 4:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Portland has two teams now
I just took a look at their roster at http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/por/roster;_ylt=AkczAQMqTlIEEyFnWBr2RiGK0bYF

21 players!  There will be some interesting players available after training camp from the NW, my friends.  

by eshock on Jun 29, 2007 2:40 PM PDT   0 recs

Interesting point
That team is poised to be dominant again in the near future.

by Jeremy Belvins on Jun 29, 2007 6:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Their "second team"
Could kick the Sacramento Kings' a**.

That said, it looks to me like they have way too many "good" players and not enough great ones. Until Oden becomes a dominant force, on both ends -- which could take a year or two -- I don't think they really frighten any of the Top 5 in the West.

by Sleepy Freud on Jun 29, 2007 6:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

list is fubar
zrandolph is still listed!

by hardcore on Jun 29, 2007 9:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

they got
picked up all those players to package them for a veteran SF. they just said they had a deal in place, but they couldn't name names because they'd be violating some rules.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league. Purgatory is thy home.

by kenntoe on Jun 30, 2007 1:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gerald Wallace.
If Chris Mullin truly believes that Brandan Wright has a chance to be a star, then I would stand PAT with him, Ellis, and Biedrins. Adding Belinelli put the biggest smile on my face. I know his game, and he will be a great player for the Warriors for years to come.

With that said, I think the best player for the Warriors to go after is Gerald Wallace. Im a big fan of his game, and I believe he wouldnt fit in better on any other team than the Warriors. We then move Harrington and Sarunas for ONE better player with maybe 1 or 2 yrs left on his contract. Then we use that cap room to resign our core.

Then Foyles contract comes off the books in two years, by then we will have had a chance to give our youngsters some developement, we would still have Baron, and we could add another big name, and make a serious shot at the title.

Portland will be the team to beat.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 29, 2007 2:46 PM PDT   0 recs

Agree on Wallace
Great player-- a huge upgrade over JRich imo if we can get him for around the same price.

Don't start counting rings for Portland-- you just never know how picks are going to pan out.  

by DrDre on Jun 29, 2007 4:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

how many points did Bellinini average
... in the Euroleague? Like 12 a game? And he's supposed to be lights-out in the NBA????  

by Jeremy Belvins on Jun 29, 2007 6:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

too much...
Biedrins, Monta, and Wright would be giving up way too much to snag Garnett. Of course you could always use the "what if's" about their developement, but say we do make the trade and all 3 of them go on to be all-star franchise players. With the Warriors luck, it probably would happen.

I like trading maybe Wright and Harrington, or Ellis and Harrington, along with Foyle to get Garnett. If we did that, and signed Gerald Wallace, we would be good and ready. But to include all 3 prospects, and another player to get a 30 yr. old Garnett... it might get us to the finals, or even a championship, but then we would be throwing away a team that could be a GREAT team for the next decade. Do you agree?

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jun 29, 2007 3:20 PM PDT   0 recs

I've been listening to this...
Good Things by Rich Boy. If anyone is gonna put together a farewell highlight package of JRich highlights, I would use that song

by DaAzNJRiCh on Jun 29, 2007 3:38 PM PDT   0 recs

Might Wright turn into Yi?
I'm a new commenter, so forgive me if this has been posited elsewhere, but has anyone considered the possibility that the JR for Brendan Wright is the first step in putting together a package that at once extricates Yi from his international fiasco in Wisconsin and fulfills the manifest destiny that is the Yi Movement? I actually saw someone, whether it was Bill Simmons or Henry Abbott or one of the Free Darko guys (last night was a blur) mention this possibility and I sincerely hope this is what's on Nellie and Mullin's collective hive mind.

by AndyH3000 on Jun 29, 2007 6:14 PM PDT   0 recs