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Yo, after watching the game last night, I came away very impressed by Pierre Pierce.  I know he basically never passed (missed a wide-open Belinelli a few times), but you have to remember that this is summer league and (besides not really have a real offense to run) he wanted to show the coaches that he could hold his own.  I think it is pretty natural for a young player to be somewhat selfish in these situations.  However, I was very impressed by his pressure defense, size, and ability to finish.  Put it this way, if I was playing a pick-up game, I would take him about over Patrick O'Bryant (though the tallest guy I usually play with is 6'7, I still would take Pierce).  I think that this guy should get an invite to camp, at least because of his heart, toughness, and pure ability.  I was also impressed w/ Powell's boards, d, and even his offensive game....Lastly, is there a way to transfer the rest of POB's money to Brian Cusworth, because that guy is a superstar in the making...did you see that attempted charge he took?....one of the ugliest things i've ever seen...anyway, ya'll think pierre pierce has any chance of running with us this year? peace, dan (the artist formally known as dnalvare)

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Problem Child
Anyone else not want this guy on our team? It's not like he'll ruin team chemistry or anything but I'm not sure I want someone like this on our team even if he is a decent player.

by SpreeForThree on Jul 10, 2007 10:51 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what
Stop being prejudice.

http://westcoastbiased.blogspot.com

by coma on Jul 10, 2007 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha
problem child i aint liek the team aint full of them, he already got a guy who tried to shoot a guy and than beat up someone, than guys who try to yell all the time, it aint like this will be so bad, heck alot of people on here already want artest!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Jul 10, 2007 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey
we have pretty much the same name...
but i like pierce..word is he's a changed man.. but even if he does get an invite and somehow sneaks his way into the season (like aaron miles or roberson) he wont see much minutes being that he's got about 4 guards in front of him.
that one guy toby bailey is like 30 yrs old.. he looks like rick fox kinda
That pass was magic johnson-esque

by Spree4Threee on Jul 10, 2007 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I
think he should get atleast an invite to camp. I was high on this guy before the summer league but he has a TON of legal issues. He has to register as a sex offender wherever he goes because of a spat he had with his ex GF. I think he's worth a shot though. He's more of a Jason Terry, shoot first, pass second kinda guy but the kid has talent. We should atleast give him a look.

by J Rich 4 MVP on Jul 10, 2007 11:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

spat with his girlfriend
a little understated dont you think.rape at knifepoint i think is a little more than a spat. but i guess everyone deserves a second chance. oh but that was his 2nd chance, he also had the sexual assualt in 2002. other than the fact that he is a woman beating rapist, he is a point gaurd that doesnt pass the ball I think i could live without him on the roster

by azw on Jul 10, 2007 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree
he doesn't pass enough... but this is summer league and he's trying to show the coaches what he's got... besides his criminal record.

The chances are in his favor that he'll get the camp invite b/c of his performance over the last couple of games.  So far its just him, bookie and belinelli, everyone else is scrubs out there.

Not that I'm for or against him, but the warriors squad is pretty much made of hot head loose cannons... that guy would fit right in.  I think if he can keep his personal life from interfering with his job, he'll be ok.

Whats with all the new people joining GSoM recently?  Maybe trying to setup a cover story swearing they have been warriors fans their whole life... all 12-15 yrs.

by david240z on Jul 10, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he earns a spot
that is fine, hopefully he will show he is more than just a scorer. as for his past, the "system" has determined that he has done his time and is no longer a threat to society who am i to second guess the system.

as far as the new GSOM members I noticed a slight jump after the big trade, and a huge spike during and since the play-offs, if they are setting up some type of cover story i dont know and it really doesnt effect me. though i am not sure what that has to do with this thread, or my comments

by azw on Jul 10, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well..
we all know ex girl friends can be a pain in the ass..no but really, we should give him a chance to play, and if he shows that he cant handle it, that hes too immature and stupid to handle the responsibilities of the NBA(women, groupies..etc.) then he's gone in that instant. Other than that, if he can play ball, I want him to do it for us. Every little bit counts.

Plus its not like hes going to sneak up behind Baron in the locker room and take him from behind at knife point.

I also, read his body language and his eyes. All I saw was determination, a man with something to prove to himself and everyone else. I like how he carried himself out there.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 10, 2007 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh...
didn't know a thing about his legal/personal problems....still think he should get a shot tho....good lookin out

by BeLEGENDelliAllDay on Jul 10, 2007 11:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you can...
read a lot about him on wikipedia (seems like a copied news story on him)...he seems like a kid that made some very serious mistakes, but has put in the work to change and could have very high potential...once i read that he had been out of ball for such a long time, it explained a lot about his game....When you've only played pick up ball for a while, it is hard to get back to the organized game, and it's gonna take him some time to go back to be a point guard who can play in a system....when you don't feel comfortable in a system, sometimes you fall back on the thing you KNOW you can do, which is score the basketball, which he did at a high rate....I think this a real low risk situation (a la Dajuan Wagner), so I feel like we should give him an invite to training camp, and let the kid prove himself....I, for one, would love to see him in a dubs uni next season, assuming he stays on course....peace, dan

by BeLEGENDelliAllDay on Jul 10, 2007 11:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Couldnt agree more...
Good take.
This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 10, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wacko Jacko
can be his mentor and straighten him out.  I say bring him to camp.

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 10, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Required reading
Check out Henry Abbott's post over at True Hoop http://myespn.go.com/nba/truehoop.  There is a good article on Pierce and what Mullin had to say about giving him a shot.

by bozaframa on Jul 10, 2007 11:49 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for posting that
it is a really good read. It makes you want to root for the kid but the past isnt meaningless, but I think you give him a shot and see what happens.
THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE W'S

by dallaswarrior on Jul 10, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you happen to read the
comments below the article about what he did?  It seems this person committed some serious crimes against women (rape even).  Being caught twice means he likely committed many more misogynistic acts

I am all for second chances and crimes like drug possession or even Steven Jackson's transgressions I can make excuses for but people here seem really quick to look the other way on this guy

by Zig on Jul 10, 2007 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

pierre's got mad talent
I watched him play yesterday, he's got some serious skills, isn't that what matters? I really don't care what he's done in the past, I want the warriors to assemble the best team possible, if that means pierre pierce as number 11 or 12th man, so be it. C'mon now folks, with barnes probably seeking  too much money( one good season = possible fluke), and pietrus just not being smart whatsoever, this is an easy choice as to whether he gets an invite. If he does any shady things violating his probation, dump him...I fully agree with dude who said wacko should be his mentor as well

by tajbled on Jul 10, 2007 1:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Isn't that what matters?"
It's a good question. I'm normally quick to forgive past indiscretions, but reading that wikipedia bio did seriously give me pause. I mean, assuming a guy has served his time, is there no past behavior that should be considered a deal-breaker? Outside of murder and messing with kids (acts that presumably would keep one behind bars beyond their playing years) it seems like what Pierce has done is close to as bad as it gets.

That said, bleeding heart that I am, I'm inclined to give the guy a third chance. If I were related to one of the victims of his crimes, I'd probably feel differently.

 

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 10, 2007 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i predict he'll get an invite..
the way mullie's been on his jock the past few years and the way he's played to this point - i'd be surprised if he didn't.  he can score and that's great but what is more important is that he can handle the ball, make smart passes, and play some D.  

i'm rooting for him though...if he works out he would be a steal.

the crowning achievement of ira newble's illustrious career

by JudBooshlur on Jul 10, 2007 3:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I fully realize...
...that it's not my place to pass judgement on the lives of others,m but from the strict standpoint of what's best for the team, I don't want to even envision this happening. Pierce would galvanize the common NBA fan against us, and I suspect that he won't be able to rehab his image as successfully as Jackson has to this point.

Also, I think it's a mistake to compare Jackson and Pierce in any way. Jackson's gotten involved i some scrap because he's impulsive, and perhaps loyal to a fault. His gun charge could've been really bad, but it ultimately wasn't, which was very lucky for Stephen Jackson's life. Pierce has already crossed twice into the realm of crime that many consider unforgivable.

by Zack Vank on Jul 10, 2007 3:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I
think if he does make this team that Mullin, Nellie and BD should sit down and talk to this kid and let him know straight up that the team is 100% behind him but if he messes up that's it. Take a 0 tolerance stand with this guy. Let him know that he's been given the oppurtunity of a lifetime and it's the last chance he may ever get.

by J Rich 4 MVP on Jul 10, 2007 4:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

what do you mean
if he messes up he is going back to jail

by Zig on Jul 10, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For Pierce's sake,
given his track record of bad off-court decision making (and that's putting it lightly), it might be in his best interest to keep outta the lime light completely

he's supposedly done his time, learned his lessons and is much wiser now; but really what else would he say?  he is trying to make a team so he's going to play his a$$ off and say the right things

thing i wonder is that he made those past 'errors' even without pulling in an nba salary; would he still be reformed and walk the straight path once the cashflow, fame and distractions that come with just making the nba are his? unfortunately, he'd most likely be under a tighter media noose than your typical player (pretty much for his entire career) due to his shady past; they'd have a field day of him the moment he made even the slightest off court slip

even if he did make the team and had a stellar first season and was completely reformed, i'd think it'd be just be a matter of time before some money-driven hoochie cried foul play just trying to bring him down, causing a distracting media circus

i guess i'd prefer to have a team with minimal off-court player drama and keep those preoccupations centered where they should rightfully be - around Jessica Alba ;)

by Anomaly on Jul 10, 2007 10:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

nah, repeatedly beating on women is just
not the same as marijuana problems.

i assume many of you don't normally follow the LVSL, b/c he's your typical over-rated summer league guard. since they are so busy playing by themselves on offense, they play matador defense. usually below avg nba point guards dominate the ball & therefore the summer leagues.

guys like anthony roberson (22 pts 3 ast), nate robinson (19 pt 7 ast), jordan farmar (18 pts 11 ast) have big nights. louis williams of the 76ers is averaging ~26 pts ~5 ast 5.5 reb per game. jose juan barea from the mavs is avg 16 pts, 4.7 asts while shooting 57%. come on, marcus banks of the suns dropped 42 pts.

pierce can't even stay in front of guys like watson/gadson, roberson & lou will. he has no idea how to run an offense & doesn't look to pass (which is fine if you're the best player ala mj, but not so great when you're likely one of the team's worst players). like many of these guys, i've seen nothing to make me believe that he can finish over nba big men at a high rate.

so basically he'll be a ball pounder that stops and shoots mid range jumpers over ppl. so far he hasn't had to shoot over anyone over 6'2"... he won't have that luxury at the next level.

by the evil monkey on Jul 10, 2007 11:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

probably won't end up with us
i think our guard situation with b-dizzle, m-nizzle, monta, probably kabuki and jax filling in is looking pretty solid.  
i'll be relieved if pierce doesn't end up with us.  he was convicted of a horrible crime.  just because he's served his time doesn't make the transgression any less horrific and won't make it easier to watch him play for the dubs.  there's a huge leap from making mistakes in your youth and committing rape and assault.  i hope he's on a better path and turning his life around but what he did will never end for his victims and i don't want to see him on the team.  

by redape on Jul 11, 2007 10:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon dude!
If we got Pierce we could have an unbeatable backcourt trio of b-dizzle, m-nizzle, and douche-nozzle...

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 11, 2007 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or
permananent probation pierce prick pizzle

by redape on Jul 11, 2007 10:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry...
I just pictured in my mind the women that he raped/assaulted turning on their T.V.'s and seeing Pierce playing in the NBA and making paper. That just doesn't seem right to me.  Second chances are cool, but his 3rd chance shouldn't be an NBA chance.

by ssmokinjoe on Jul 11, 2007 8:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point.
But its a F'd up world.
This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 11, 2007 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he does make a squad...
...i hope a big portion of his salary is donated to women's organizations.

by ssmokinjoe on Jul 11, 2007 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha
I hope so too, it would be a nice gesture. Unfortunately he'll probably get an escalade with a system.

This is my broad opinion, but I think people that do these things are not necessarily cuz they hate women, they just dont have an ounce of self-control. My uncles a gaurd at San Quentin, hes told me some nasty stuff. Spending some time with the Mexican Mafia and Black Gorilla fam will teach you some ultimate life lessons. I dont even know if he spent time in the pen...  

Point is, hopefully he's learned some hard-taught lessons about life, and apologized to anyone whos suffered from his actions. He's paid his dues for what he'd done, so give him that one glimmering chance of redemption.

Like I said, I dont think he's going to sneak up behind Baron in the locker room and take him behind at knife point. I dont see this escalating into anymore potential problems for our team. I hope Im not wrong, maybe I will be.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 11, 2007 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WELL...
I've known a lot of cats that have done those kinds of sh*tty things to girls i know and girls that my friends know.  Even after doing the time for those crimes i would hate to turn on my TV and see any of them balling in the NBA and flossing nice rides and nice houses.

But if they chose to find success elsewhere in the real world through hard work or dumb luck then i'd rather they get their 2nd (or 3d or 4th) chance that way.

by ssmokinjoe on Jul 11, 2007 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a personal level...
If it was my daughter he did that to, I would be willing to spend the rest of my life in prison if it meant I got to kill him and watch him die right there in front of me. Nothing would bring me peace, but that. Alot of people would say that is FAR too brutal of a penalty. What he did does not merit capital punishment.

It is easy for people like me to sit here and say he should be forgiven, and offered a second chance. However, I think prison can be hell, as you have to survive like an animal with other animals who have nothing to lose, and delight on bringing you pain.

Has he paid enough for what he done? I think thats almost as important as asking if he deserves a second chance.

Lastly, I think being in the NBA is hard work. While of course making millions for playing a sport seems easy and fun, it takes hard work and dedication to keep your skills keen, and to rise above competition to stay in the league and earn your money.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 12, 2007 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give him whats due
This kid has been a prolific scorer and defensive b ball player since biddy basketball..he patterned his game from Jordan at 6 years old and practiced harder to play like Kobe at 13 and has mastered Wade at 18...now Golden State can sleep if they want to, but I'd advise them not to..Pierre is a gentle giant.. he is innocent of those two charges, yet the system tried to lock him down and wont let go of the chains....look at that young kid in Atlanta Georgia today..on lock down for consensual sex..these young girls and the powers at be would love to sideline him..he regrets having sex at a young age..the system calls it aggravated assault..no one was in that room but the two woman that wanted to lock him down as their boyfriends..he simply desired to be a basketball star.. and that is only fair since he has worked so hard for all his young life..its a classic case of girls gone wild and gold digger mentality...next time he falls in love, may god grant him a woman of true decency and spirit..not a pop tart with legal backing.

by whitnippy on Jul 16, 2007 6:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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