Debunking the Fisher myth
The beginning of this is something I posted over at the JustBBall message boards when I read that the Lakers were thinking about bringing in Derek Fisher, possibly using their MLE on him. I felt like bringing up some of these observations about Fisher, because I think some people are under a grave misconception about how good of a player he really is.
Derek Fisher is by all accounts a very classy and very kind guy, who's gone through a real rough time. That said, from a basketball standpoint, it's worth keeping in mind that the Warriors traded him to Utah because he simply wasn't that good. He has a good spot up three point shot, and can finish under the basket, but isn't very skilled with the ball, and last year, shot a terrible percentage from the field. Because he exuded the bluecollar ethic that Utah fans so love, and because of his inspirational performance in the playoffs, I think people are either reluctant to mention his basketball shortcomings, or simply don't realize. Last year for the Jazz, he started 61 games for them, and scored 10 points per, with three assists.
Important to note, though, is that he shot a mere .382 from the field, and only .308 on threes, which is supposed to be his strength. In fact, his career shooting percentage in 11 years is a shade under .400.
While he's lauded for his defense, he stands only six foot one, and makes a lot of mistakes gambling on steals and flopping for calls. He was praised for his role in beating Golden State in game two of the playoffs last year, and certainly he was the gamechanging factor, but that isolated performance shouldn't trick anyone into thinking that at 32 he's a five year MLE player. If he and Baron Davis went at it, Davis would prevail 9 times out of 10. The fact that Davis had been logging heavy, draining minutes the entire postseason while Fisher had arrived during the third quarter completely rested was never addressed, but I tend to think that may have played as much of a role in the outcome of that game as anything.
Derek Fisher is a great guy, a great teammate, and a great father. But, in all honesty, he isn't, and never has been, a great point guard.
The media's fascination with Fisher is understandable. I noticed its origins years before his daughter's tragic condition became public knowledge. It began to swirl about when Fisher hit the .4 second shot to beat San Antonio in the playoffs, the shot some people say should never, and could never have been. With every three pointer he hit, the reputation gre stronger. "Clutch. Veteran. Competitor." Very familiar lines to NBA fans, all adjectives you'll often hear attributed to players that are lauded, despite the numbers just not adding up.
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Nice piece! I gave it a plug on Ballhype.
- Atma Brother #1
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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Thank you!!!!!!
I want to smash my head against a wall when I hear people musing about reacquiring Fish. We got rid of him because he was an old, slow, mediocre ballhog. He's now an older, slower, more mediocre ballhog.
I would love to see the Lakers blow their MLE on him. Basically, he's got the self-confidence of Kobe backed by the talent of Cabbages.
by Sleepy Freud on Jul 10, 2007 6:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He was...
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 10, 2007 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 10, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously...

...never a fairweather fan...
by BayBoyNLA on Jul 10, 2007 6:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well written
Now believe me, he'd be a great backup somewhere and I'm sure he could teach the young PG's of the league a thing or two, but him getting the full MLE would just be straight up hilarious (unless it was with GSW).
by jlagace on Jul 10, 2007 6:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fish
by Dubs4Life on Jul 10, 2007 8:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You see...
Flopping is indeed the only thing he's great at, and unfortunately, as his lateral quickness diminishes with age, you can expect the refs to start calling the block.
by Zack Vank on Jul 10, 2007 8:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just read...
More power to them.
by Zack Vank on Jul 10, 2007 8:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
also,
by Nooob on Jul 10, 2007 9:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
there are some players
by hardcore on Jul 10, 2007 9:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Derek Fisher did crap Game 2
I honestly liked him when he was on the Warriors, but I know now that he won't help us. Too many missed shots, and waaay too many missed layups. However, he did hit his freethrow, and DAMN were those rainbow arcs pretty.
Tony aka Drawlz600 is AWESOME!!!!
by Zorgon on Jul 10, 2007 9:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mat Barnes...
Off the top of my head, I'd sooner try to get Earl Boykins, Steve Blake, Jarvis Crittenton, Jason Hart, Brevin Knight, Earl Watson... any of these guys is a better option at this point than Derek Fisher.
by Zack Vank on Jul 10, 2007 9:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice diary
Hoops-wise I absolutely hate the way he plays. He sucks the life out of the building with his terrible court vision, attempts to be like Kobe, flopping (although he oddly didn't do much of that with the Warriors), and matador D against quicker players.
It's funny how people seem to forget he had a bad past season with the Jazz. If I were a team I really, really wouldn't use any money on him unless you plan to use him for 0.4 seconds in the playoffs.
by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 10, 2007 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
word life
by dj fuzzylogic on Jul 10, 2007 10:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
why do the lakers need another point guard
by llamalimbo1 on Jul 10, 2007 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just a thought
by hardcore on Jul 10, 2007 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
could be...
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 10, 2007 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lakers
They had 5 point guards last year too: Smush, Farmar, Vujacic, Shammond Williams, Aaron McKie.
They like their scrub point guards like we like our scrub big men: useless and warming the bench.
by jlagace on Jul 11, 2007 3:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He ain't worth the MLE, but he is worth a look
GAME 4
Fisher Jump Shot: Made (16 PTS)
Assist: Williams (11 AST) 4:07
[UTA 93-88]
Fisher 3pt Shot: Made (19 PTS)
Assist: Williams (12 AST) 2:16
[UTA 100-93]
http://www.nba.com/games/20070513/UTAGSW/playbyplay.html
These were HUGE in the course of the game and hella demoralizing as I remember.
Even worse was game 5. The Warriors played the best defense I have ever seen them play but f ing fisher kept them in the game. Meanwhile the Warriors just could not hit a shot.
11:40
[UTA 80-73] Fisher 3pt Shot: Made (12 PTS)
Assist: Okur (2 AST)
9:41
[UTA 83-78] Fisher 3pt Shot: Made (15 PTS)
Assist: Williams (5 AST)
5:45
[UTA 88-83] Fisher 3pt Shot: Made (18 PTS)
Assist: Williams (6 AST)
BESIDES A KIRILENKO TIP IN THESE ARE THE ONLY POINTS THE JAZZ SCORED IN THE FOURTH QUARTER UNTIL IT WAS FRETHROW TIME. That dude kept them in the game single handedly!
http://www.nba.com/games/20070515/GSWUTA/playbyplay.html
Overall he had a solid last two games.
http://www.nba.com/games/20070513/UTAGSW/boxscore.html
D.Fisher G 40:30 6-11 2-3 7-7 21
http://www.nba.com/games/20070515/GSWUTA/boxscore.html
D.Fisher G 29:34 7-10 4-5 2-2 20pts
SO yeah I may have wasted 20 minutes putting this together, but I felt the need to remind you of what a son of bitch Derek Fisher was in that series. For a one year veteran minimum I wouldn't mind seeing that dude come back at all. He IS a clutch shooter, and at least in game 5 he would have helped the warriors out alot.
by steezelle on Jul 10, 2007 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree 100%
by travisl212 on Jul 10, 2007 6:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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