Rumor: KG in the town!!

by CoachBarry on Jul 24, 2007 6:52 PM PDT Comment 81 comments

Just heard from my hoopster buddy that Baron and KG didn't show up at Mike Bibby's camp in Sacramento today (they were scheduled to be there on the first day). here's a link to the camp:
http://www.mikebibby.com/campupdates.htm
The juicier news is that KG and Boom Dizzle have been spotted hanging out in Oakland (this past weekend)!! Pure speculation on my part, but guys often like to hangout and play together in the summer when they have never played together before (and are about to).

Has anyone else in the GSoM community seen KG in Oakland? I really trust my source and I hope this is something that is real (KG in the town!!)

holla!

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[editor's note, by OptionZero] If possible guys, let's keep it about KG sightings in the Bay Area, rather than a "should we" or "can we" argument.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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yea

i think i saw them at the 19th St BART station.... i bet BD was showing him the Cannabis Clubs.

by STIX on Jul 24, 2007 6:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

It was from a distance...but

I saw them here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn3vkaTDbaM

by streetballer on Jul 25, 2007 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

A glimpse of the future...at the time

no one will ever know.

by streetballer on Jul 30, 2007 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

could be

i am now resigned to the fact that KG may be coming to the Bay. There is a lot of smoke (and a lot of nothing from the Warriors) which leads me to believe that something has already happened.

Getting KG is nice, He's a HOF player for sure. But there is just something very special about drafting and growing your own superstar. This is the only holdup i have with sending out Brandan Wright and Monta Ellis. Especially Wright since he has the ability and chance to become a star in the league. I envy teams like San Antonio (Duncan), Phoenix (STAT), Boston (Jefferson), Toronto (Bosh), because they all had home grown talent rise from their organization to the superstars they are today.

I would rather draft and grow our own talent than pluck aging stars from other teams. It just doesn't feel as "special" to me. Some teams rely on Free Agency, some rely on the Draft. It seems as if the Warriors are somewhere in between.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 24, 2007 7:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

imo

this KG is an aging, past-his-prime business has to stop. I am not just talking to kenntoe, but just in general to people on the site. This guy has been a top 5 player in the league for the past decade, and he has shown no signs of slipping in recent years. KG would give us a realistic chance to win the title NOW. Warriors fans aren't happy with this?

More Hardware Coming!

by gsw4life on Jul 24, 2007 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

rsda

Say whatever you want. The guys 31. That evidence is more than ANYTHING you've just given me.

http://westcoastbiased.blogspot.com

by coma on Jul 24, 2007 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is exciting news

Don't forget they've been playing the age card on Jason Kidd for years, and he still delivers. I don't think KGs stats have really dipped this past season either (although stats are different from game effectiveness.)

by The City Warjorz on Jul 24, 2007 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

good point.

NOT. Who cares. I'm not sellin' the farm for a geezer. Sorry.

http://westcoastbiased.blogspot.com

by coma on Jul 24, 2007 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

lmao@NOT

thats exactly how i feel. i'm not willing to be a title contender for 2 years, just to see the lottery for another 12 afterwards.

teams like the spurs, suns, pistons are contenders every year because they built them, not because they traded for them overnight for a one shot at a ring.

by nativeson on Jul 24, 2007 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

THANK YOU

thank God someone said that Thats all ive been trying to do the whole time ive been on this F'in Site

I am as powerful as 100 times 100 times 100 times 13 Stilts!

by jeppalepala on Jul 25, 2007 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

building a contender

It's easy to become a "pretty good" team and sneak into the playoffs. It's hard to become a championship level challenger.

The Spurs became elite when David Robinson got hurt and they landed Tim Duncan. Bingo, franchise big man, multiple championships. Notice how the cast around Duncan has changed, but its him thats always the building block.

Suns? Signed Steve Nash (and brought in D'Antoni). Boom. Championship contender stopped only by the mafia. Big risk signing an older PG and installing a run-n-gun system in a league stuck to more conventional sets. Big payoff.

Detroit? Would have been a good team in the East, solid, but nothing worth writing home about, even with Larry Brown. Hey, Rasheed Wallace is available? Oh, he's a headcase thug? Hrm, let's gamble...and win. Championship, multiple trips to the Finals.

Elite teams are built overnight. They are built with the dice when a GM decides he's going to gamble big or they are built for the GM when the ping-pong balls bounce the right way, the right year.

You wanna be a contender? There's two ways:

Draft Shaq, Jordan, Hakeem, Duncan, or the equivalent. Good luck.
Collect pieces and wait for franchise talent to become available, identify difference-making player, and make the risky move.

Slow building gets you improvement, but the slow approach will only improve you from horrible to average, possibly from average to "good" over time.

To get to that elite-level, the one occupied these days by only a handful of teams (PHX, SA, DAL, DET, CLE), you have to BREAK your way to the club. You don't go walking or crawling in.

Heck, the only way the Warriors could break their way out of the cursed basement they've been in was to GAMBLE...gamble on this 18yr old Latvian kid, gamble on this oft-injured and expensive PG unwanted by his team (perhaps with an attitude problem), gamble on a "past his prime" coach, gamble on a raw high school combo guard, gamble on an antagonist from the Malice in the Palice...

Like Mullin said, if you don't look to move ahead, you're just falling behind. If the opportunity to make The Leap arises, you take it.

Sure, sometimes making the bold move fails, or isn't enough. Denver thought Iverson would make them that much better, all they ended up doing was making Philly better and exiting in the first round. Houston brought in McGrady, how many playoff series did they win?

But the overwhelming reality is that if you want seriously contend, you better pull the trigger.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Jul 25, 2007 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

+10000

I agree whole-heartedly. San Antonio is a terrible team to try to emulate because they lucked into Duncan.

by yehyeh82 on Jul 25, 2007 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ha

i don't think it's up to you.

Marciulionis is my father!

by williedillssf on Jul 25, 2007 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

KG

hasnt been a winner yet. Why should we think that he will change this late in his carrer.

by BiedrinsORBust on Jul 24, 2007 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

top 5 player in the league for the past decade

that statement alone says too much about how old he is. Regardless of how good he is, every player reaches an age when they either decide to stop or their body makes that decision for them.

Either way you look at it there are good points for the people who want and the people who don't want him.

The end game is if KG comes to the bay area and they still don't get to the semifinals, finals and/or a ring, all the people who wanted him will be the first ones to moan about losing the young prospects the warriors had @ one point, but gave up to try to win now.

by david240z on Jul 24, 2007 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

man, you have to go with the odds

Wright could be a bust. KG is as close to a sure thing as there is in this league. He is far and away the most valuable player likely to move or has moved this year, last year, or next year. We have our home grown talent - we wouldn't be having this discussion if Ellis and Biedrins didn't become the players they are; if Richardson had not grown into a likely Eastern All Star.

I just hope that after all this smoke, we see the fire. Ellis can go (though I'll miss that quick move to the rim and the way he seems to elevate - no, fly - at the peak when everyone else is coming down). Biedrins and Davis must stay. We need to resign either Barnes or MP for their toughness. And lets hope Jackson continues to show veteran leadership while Azu and Beli develope into tough NBA defenders to compliment their offensive game.

I want the Warriors to go for it now. We have Nelson and Davis and a cast of supporting players that only needed a dominent PF to go to the Western Finals last year. We will be serious contenders this year if we get Garnett for the pieces recently discussed. My only condition for approval is we don't sign Garnett and Davis for more than four years each. And if its just for a year - yee-haw! Free agency '08 here we come.

Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

by fotd on Jul 24, 2007 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

how about these odds:

if we get KG now then odds are high that in a couple years KG, Baron, and Nellie are all gone we're left with a core of Biedrins and Bellinelli and little else to try and scratch our way back to the playoffs.

by nativeson on Jul 24, 2007 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cap Room

That's when we'll have cap room to go out and sign an impact free agent.

PT-42

by norcaldevilasu on Jul 24, 2007 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

09/10

like who?

aside from AI and Kidd, who both will be 35+ by then, and maybe Brand you're left with the Ben Gordon/Luol Deng, Andre Igoudala, Corey Maggette, Al Jefferson, and Shaun Marion. those are hardly impact players

the only bright spot is Arenas who's already said he's only opting out in order to get more money from the Wizards. and even if that is just PR bs, i really dont see him coming back to the Bay just to run with Bellinelli, Jackson and Azuibuike.

by nativeson on Jul 24, 2007 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

Marion's not an impact player? He's the most valuable Sun.

There's tons you can do with the money; even if it's not getting a FA outright, it lets you make trades u wouldn't normally be able to do.

If there's no one we like, sit on the cash and wait till someone good comes along the year after. No biggie.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Jul 24, 2007 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

LMFAO

Marion is the most valuable sun? bhahaha... i hope this is a joke. The fact that he's fortunate to be in a program that plays to all his strengths is the only real reason why he's been successful in the league. If he was on any other team than the Suns, he wouldn't be half as good or half as good as people think he is.

by david240z on Jul 24, 2007 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Marion

I stand by my statement. Seen his numbers over his career?

He was a stud even before Nash and D'Antoni came to Phoenix...playing with, basically, Joe Johnson and not much else.

Marion isn't necessarily a shutdown perimeter player individually, but he can do a credible job on every position (Barring the extremes, like Shaq or Yao). In the team context, he's a freak, averaging 2 steals and 1.5 blocks per game. That sort of activity isn't possible unless you have a ton of athleticism and the hustle and heart to use it on that end of the court.

Most importantly, he rebounds ridiculously well for a 6'7 small forward- 10 a game for his career.

To top it all off, he has never been hurt, missing no more than 3-4 games ever in any season of his career and playing 37 minutes a night. Marion is the very definition of a gamer.

I argue that without Marion's swiss-army knife versatility and rebounding allow the Suns to do what they do. Nash doesn't play any defense himself, Stoudamire hasn't really committed to playing any defense until lately (ask Suns fans). They don't really have a true center or any frontcourt depth, nor are any of their other perimeter players particularly good on the boards. Marion basically makes lets the cast of scorers be just that- a cast of scorers, all while the team wins.

Remove Marion and replace him with a "regular" SF, say, Morris Peterson over the years, who's been pretty much average his career, or even Mike Miller, who's been above average. They would be entertaining, but wouldn't even be able to think about challenging the Texas squads.

Lastly, Marion's virtually irreplaceable. Aside from maybe AK47, perhaps Gerald Wallace, I can't think of any players who could do what he does.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Jul 24, 2007 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Amen...

That's exactly what others need to realize. But it's not just pulling the trigger, you have to know WHEN to pull it. It may be that time for Mully and the franchise to do so.

by WarriorForLife on Jul 25, 2007 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

replace him with any other SF on any team

and he won't be as successful guaranteed. Put him on a championship team or a scrub team won't really matter. The amount of freedom he is given being on the suns allows him to play the way he does. Although he can hit some shots, regardless of how ugly his form is, a large portion of his points are on dunks.

by david240z on Jul 25, 2007 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you serious?

Then how is it that he still grabs a ton of rebounds... not even 3/4s of the of the players in the league are capable of rebounding as well as he does, plus he is an effective scorer, and fearless at that, can his the mid range, 3s are a strech but those floaters and the ability to go above the rim is what makes him the great player that he is... there are only a few SFs with his capabilities

I am as powerful as 100 times 100 times 100 times 13 Stilts!

by jeppalepala on Jul 25, 2007 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Definitly

I think you are under stating his capabilities. Marion has ability that is top three in the league. His rebounding ability is top ten. No doubt.

There is a reason he has a nick name like The Matrix.

With out him, the Suns are much less scary.

Playoffs!!??

by PAWarrior on Jul 25, 2007 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sigh, more straw men...

No one said Marion wasn't an extremely valuable player or a great rebounder. It still doesn't mean that Marion is the single "most valuable" player on the Suns. It's tough to distill individual contributions on a team that's so much about synergy and chemistry, but I think most Suns fans, when pressed, would say that Nash is still the straw that stirs the Suns' drink; and that if you had to get rid of Amare or Matrix, Matrix, valuable as he is, would be the more replaceable of the two.

Now by all means, feel free to interpret this post as my saying that Marion sucks. It's so much easier to argue against points no one ever made ... ;-P

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 25, 2007 5:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sleepy

I never accused anyone of saying Marion sucks, and I don't know why you think I'd infer that from you now. Instead, I'm responding to this comment by native son:

aside from AI and Kidd, who both will be 35+ by then, and maybe Brand you're left with the Ben Gordon/Luol Deng, Andre Igoudala, Corey Maggette, Al Jefferson, and Shaun Marion. those are hardly impact players

Marion (in my opinion) is more valuable because he plays both ends of the court so well. Defending multiple positions and streaking across the court as a disruptor and weakside shotblocker covers up for the defensive mistakes of his teammates like few other small forwards can, and he rebounds exceptionally well too. On the offensive end he plays moves without the ball, shoots the 3, finishes at the rim, with a midrange J, or out to the 3 point line.

That he does all of these things in one package, to me, makes him that much harder to replace, at least by another single player.

As for Marion versus Amare....there's no denying he's spectacular offensively as the ideal finishing end of a Nash pass, and he's getting better at his individual offense with a more reliable J, better footwork, more control in the post, etc. Despite all this, what stands out in my mind are the 52 wins the Suns got without Amare in '05-'06. Now, there was other roster turnover, like bringing in Bell and Diaw to cover for Johnson and Q-rich...buth they did pretty well with Amare playing only 23 games. I also think Marion has a bigger impact defensively, as the Suns fans I've talked to seem to think he had never bothered playing much defense until this year.

Now, Marion v Nash...that would be a chicken and egg argument.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Jul 25, 2007 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry

Didn't mean to imply that you were implying that others were implying that Marion sucked. ;-D Obviously the statement "he's not an impact player" is ridiculous, but there's no reason to try to counterbalance it by saying that he's clearly the best player on the Suns. He may be, but it's a very tough case to make. Chicken and egg, as you say, or maybe egg, bacon, and toast...

To bring this back on topic: the point of the poster's silly Marion comment was presumably to show how screwed the Warriors will be down the road if and when the dynamic KG/BD tandem breaks down, ages ungracefully, or signs elsewhere. Regardless of Matrix's skillz, I think we agree that this is an unfair and overly pessimistic way to look at a potential KG deal.

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 25, 2007 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

When Baron and Garnett leave

We'll have major cap space, whether its one year for now or two.

Assuming Mullin hasn't lost his mind, we'll still have Biedrins and Belinelli locked in as young talents.

We should be able to bring in one major free agent, and if we're smart, we'll have a very good starter at some position for 4-5 years, whether it's Arenas, Marion, or one of the other "opt-out" guys.

We will also have Adonal Foyle's massive expiring contract, a valuable trade chip. Or if it's a year later, an extra $10M off the books.

Basically the only negatives left on the roster will be Stephen Jackson's contract and whatever we take back from Minnesota. Harrington might be around, but he's productive and young enough I think he could be moved if we had to.

I think that position is an enviable one- it's better than alot of teams can claim to be in (mega cap space, stud young center, coming off a major title run). It might take a couple years of smart moves to replenish, but I'm not afraid of that.

What would worry me more is if we ended up like the Pistons or Nets and overplay our gambles with huge contract extensions for aging/injured Baron/KG. I'd rather use 'em a couple years and let 'em walk.

Look at what happened to Miami when they thought a little too highly of themselves. They should have found replacements for GP and Walker much earlier.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Jul 25, 2007 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

i guess my point/question was

can we win continually contend with

Andris / Marco / Marion / Jackson?

my definition of impact obviously differs from yours. I don't just mean someone who will immediately contribute, thats obvious. I meant someone who, say the KG/Baron/Nelly experiment fails and they're all gone, can take us back to the Western Conference Finals. I honestly don't believe Marion can do that with the core that we'd be left with

by nativeson on Jul 25, 2007 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Finals

Are we heading to the Finals anytime soon with what we have? No sir.

No one's saying Marion himself brings us back to contender status...but then again, I don't believe we need to bounce immediately back. I'm fine with taking a hit afterwards for a year or two and collecting pieces again.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Jul 25, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

There is nothing wrong with falling on our face after making a run. Say we lose both guys, we have a disaster of a season, we land a top three pick, combine that young stud with a young stud FA and there we are again in contention. The reason we missed the playoffs every year for so long is that we weren't bad enough to land a real stud most years and the only years we were we made uhhhh... "bad choices" in the draft. There is a natural cycle to the NBA and the good teams don't get stuck in the middle. Don't be afraid to really suck for a year every once in a while, just be afraid of kinda sucking for a long time.

by olympicmike on Jul 25, 2007 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Don't be afraid to really suck

for a year every once in a while, just be afraid of kinda sucking for a long time."

well put.

by Anomaly on Jul 25, 2007 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

I'm fine with taking a hit afterwards for a year or two and collecting pieces again.

This is why i'm glad this is not accepted reasoning. This is what the warriors have been doing for quite sometime. Taking a hit here and there, taking a couple years and then taking another hit... taking a couple years... making some bad decisions... taking another hit... taking another couple years.

I'm sure thats ok for the warriors, but most other organizations might want to do something that involves some type of logic.

by david240z on Jul 25, 2007 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lol

Most teams would find a championship trophy sitting in their arena to be quite logical. Pat Riley and the Heat fans probably don't mind, nor do Pistons fans.

Would anyone in florida trade their championship for Caron Butler?

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Jul 26, 2007 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Marion

has been consistent over the years no matter who he plays with. Oh yea, he's probably one of the most underrated player in the league right now.

by semarubaka on Jul 25, 2007 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

O.K.

Last time I checked, everyone of those palyers are impact players. Most of them stars on the rise. Put it this way, I would rather have all of those players than any of our young core. All of these players are either the top player or the second best player on their teams, with the exception of Maggette

Playoffs!!??

by PAWarrior on Jul 25, 2007 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kenntoe, my man

Believe me, I love a good curmudgeon, but you take curmudgeonliness to new levels. Sometimes I think you want us to remain mediocre so you don't have to find a new sigline. Yes, there is something special about drafting and growing your own superstars; but no, the lack thereof doesn't diminish the joy of a championship one iota. Do you really think Celtics fans felt their 1980s rings were somehow tarnished by the presence of guys like Archibald, DJ, Walton, and Parish; or Lakers fans by Kareem, Wilkes, Horry and Shaq; or Pistons fans by Dantley, Billups, Rasheed...? In baseball, would Bonds be somehow more revered in the Bay if he had come up with SF ... or Big Papi in Boston if he hadn't taken the KG route through Minnesota?

Some teams rely on Free Agency, some rely on the Draft. It seems as if the Warriors are somewhere in between.

Um, OK ... name me one championship team in our lifetimes in any of the three major sports that wasn't built with a combo of shrewd draftings and shrewd signings. Everyone is "in between."

If this KG deal is for real (fingers crossed, breath held) ... welcome to a brave new world of winning. As a Red Sox fan, I can tell you that being a lovable bridesmaid really isn't all it's cracked up to be; and that being a perennial championship contender doesn't suck nearly as much as you seem to think it will.

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 25, 2007 5:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

that line you quoted me on...

...was filler crap. i shouldn't have written it because you're right, all teams do. Some have an over-reliance on one or the other.

To me i'm just venting my preference. KG is a sure thing, i'm just trepid because he is now 31 years old. He has not shown signs of slowing down, but it will come sooner rather than later.

I do not want us to be another mediocre, late lottery team. I have consistently stuck with the anti-KG plan because i just really like Brandan Wright from watching him in college last year. He's the best power forward prospect we've had since C-Webb. And to me that makes him real special.

I am slightly--slightly warming up to a KG deal though (better be without Beans!). I am hoping that if a deal goes down, we still have enough talent and depth coming off the bench to carry us in the playoffs. KG and BD would be enough for a playoff berth, but i'm holding my judgment on "title" contendorship. In the East yes, in the West--who knows?

I wish we could see Wright in a Warriors jersey before he goes. But i'm betting a deal is already done. If he becomes an all star in Minnesota, i will be very, very mad.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 25, 2007 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't

Dunleavy have the potential to be a super star? Don't you wish we would have traded him? What if Wright becomes POB 2.0? Are you going to wish we pulled the trigger? Unless your name is Lebron James, Carmello Anthony, Greg Oden or Kevin Durant there was doubt surrounding you coming out of the draft. For all we know Brandan Wright will amount to Adonal Foyle. In my lifetime those are the only fool proof picks. Sure he may develop into a star, but who's going to be our PG when BD leaves? Are we going to still have Nellie as our coach and if not will they run the same system or different one? My whole point is that there are always huge question marks surrounding the future, if you can pull the trigger and be sure you're going to be a legit contender the next couple years you do it. You don't sit around and hope you can develop talent and be good, unless you want to follow the team plan of the Atlanta Hawks.

by J Rich 4 MVP on Jul 25, 2007 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

KG on the Dubs...

Would be amazing. He is going to make them an immediate title contender. Worst case scenario is he walks next year. This would free up tons of cap space and we would be able to grab any free agent we want. Either the Warriors are a title contender for the next three to four seasons or they have amazing financial flexibility. I fail to see the downside of this possible transaction.

A true Warriors fan holdin' it down in Long Beach.

by Nick D on Jul 24, 2007 9:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

You forget

that KG doesnt come for free. We would have to give up a considerable amount of young talent in order to get KG. It would probably cost 2 of our 3 young talents of ellis, biedrins, and wright. That is the downside.

The J-RICH show is on his way out...=(

by dajrichshow on Jul 24, 2007 9:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

KG better not cost Biedrins

He will likely cost Harrington, Ellis, Wright and change.

Hey - its Kevin Garnett! A bird in hand is worth three...

Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

by fotd on Jul 24, 2007 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Biedrins is not untouchable

There I said it. bring on the hate.

Look, I love his improvement too, and he's a young big who, like Wright, has a bright future. AB is a 10-10 performer on a team that does not ask him to shoot outside 6 feet, pass much, or make other teams double team him. KG is a 20-10 performer who can hit a midrange jumper consistently, must be double teamed in the post thus opening up opportunities for other scorers, can defend the Duncans et al without needing help improving the overall team defense, can pass effectively out of the double team, and like AB can run the floor ...

We would have to extend AB (and all the young'ns) in the next year anyway so we're not saving money by not trading for KG.

It's amazing how attached some have gotten to Wright already, I can understand Monta because he's been on the team, had his posterizing dunk, and his baby face and all, but Wright hasn't even hit the floor yet.

What if Mullin got KG for Harington + Ellis & Wright? or + Ellis and Biedrins? Will it really matter? Ya AB can grab more rebounds than Wright, and can defend a big better, but with KG on the floor where do you put AB - on the perimeter? on the bench? Maybe we're better off including AB in the trade and keeping Wright to play alongside KG?! Try to think about it from Nelson's pov. This trade, if it happens at all, will only get done in a manner fitting Nelson's approval - have you all lost faith in him?

all the handwringing is really pointless anyway, whether or not the trade happens there will be complaints, even if Foyle leaves (you know who will scream then!). I just can't wait to see how all the youth movement/stand pat advocates jump ship if this trade gets made, or will they?

by hardcore on Jul 25, 2007 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just

don't give up LATVIA!!!!

by WarriorForLife on Jul 24, 2007 9:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

KG would be great

But whose to say we're title contenders? we are playoff contenders for sure. But since Baron nor KG has ever sniffed the Western Conference Finals, i fail to see all the Jump-to-it-ivness. Arguers say that paired together they'd be a force, ala Wade and Shaq. But they didnt have to match up against the Duncans, the Stoudamire's and the Dirk's of the league four times a year. In a 82 game season, anything can happen. so i'm reserving my judgment until i can see KG and BD together on the court.

With that, i'm hoping we keep the young core, because i'd rather have 10 plus years of playoffs, than 2 years of (maybe) title contention.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jul 24, 2007 9:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

KG AND BD

I'd definitely like to see them together on the court too!

...i'd rather have 10 plus years of playoffs, than 2 years of (maybe) title contention.

Although being in title contention isn't a guarantee, neither is having 10 plus years of playoffs! We never had an impact player like KG the past 12 years, and look where that got us, usually like 11th place in the West!

As a W's fan, I'd be willing bet our future (which we have no control over) on a KG/BD combo! I definitely wouldn't want to lose BIENS in the process, but imagine how rocking the ORACLE would be w/ KG in the house!

"GO BIG or GO HOME!!!"

by scottiepimppen on Jul 24, 2007 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

we would be...

the best team in the NBA.

Of course this is assuming Baron and company are tip top, I would have to take the Baron/KG duo over the Parker/Duncan, Nash/Stoudamire, or even the Nowitzki/Howard duos in the league...

I really think they'd be that good together.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 24, 2007 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

BD and KG at KFC!

they just ordered a bucket of "Extra Crispy!!" j/k

man though, if it did go down and Wright's out and KG's now in town scoping out his new soon-to-be stomping grounds, SO BE IT!

the bay area just became the hottest and BIGGEST ticket on the west coast since freakin' Shaq and Kobe! i'm stoked and can't wait to be rockin' the Garnett 21 jersey

by Anomaly on Jul 24, 2007 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I dont think people realize...

that Kevin Garnett would be TWICE the player he is right now playing with Baron Davis. Thats a scary thought.

Im for the argument that Kevin is a proven all-star, while Wright is an unknown. How many times have you seen a young buck smashing home runs, just to end up being another guy when he makes it to the big leagues. Thats been the story with all sports since the beginning.

Although I don't think thats the case with Wright. Hes got a much better chance of being a star player like a Kevin Garnett as opposed to being a bust like Harold Miner or Todd Fuller.

On the other hand, I would like to see us develop Wright into a star, and see Monta ascend to a top 15 scorer in this league some day. It would mean more to me if won a championship with the young guys we drafted rather than with a superstar whos been used up by another team for the past decade. But its all just a matter of opinion really, either way, I think we are going to be an exciting team with a future.

Just feeling good right now to be out of the gutter...finally dammit. For that I am grateful.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 24, 2007 11:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i have been reading realgm a lot lately

and there seem to be a lot of peoplewho are very knowledgeable/have inside info. a few people reported that the following deal will occur:

Ellis/Wright/Foyle/Jazzy/POB/Future 1st rounder for kg, then us taking Jaric with the TPE. Before hearing this, I was leaning towards keeping our players, but this deal is just too good to pass up.

Davis/Jaric/Pierce
Jack/Beli
Harrington/Buike
Garnett/Posey?/Lasme
Beans/Kosta

Better than the Mavs (of course), the Jazz, Suns, Nuggets, etc. Would be a great matchup with the spurs. To those who say we are "selling the whole farm", we still have Buike, Beli, and Beans to develop. If im not mistaken, buike averaged around 15.5 ppg when he started, no? Ellis only averaged a couple more in similar minutes. IMO, the future pick would be worthless. With this team, barring unforseen circumstances, it will be at the top of the league, netting a low 1st rounder. Most likely (josh howard!) it will either be a medicore player, or someone who is far away from contributing. I made somone a believer with this argument earlier today, so hopefully i can make a few more

we will miss your j rich

by ripjrich on Jul 24, 2007 11:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Why would Minnesota want

POB, Sarunas, and Foyle? The only bright spot of that trade is Ellis and Wright because Minnesota knows that the Warriors wouldn't be in the lottery the next year if we landed KG. If you told me we were going to give up Wright, Ellis, Harrington, 2 future first rounders, and change then I'd believe Minnesota would do the deal.

No one wants Foyle or POB. We have to either take more back or give up way more if Minnesota will even consider.

by Mdawg851 on Jul 25, 2007 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sarunas and POB

Are expiring contracts, and as such have some value. Foyle is an expiring contract in a year. In the meantime, they get a young C with still some flickering potential, as well as serviceable veteran backup PG and C, both of whom are solid citizens for the young kids to look up to.

As a group, the three probably have about a net zero value, which is much better than negative value (a la Ben Wallace, or Darius Miles). Basically, they're the type of salary-evening fodder teams acquire and release all the time. The main point is they're getting two exciting young studs (Wright and Monta) for a 31-year old superstar who's going to leave them for nothing in a year, and dumping a bad long-term deal (Jaric) in the process. It's not the craziest idea I've heard.

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 25, 2007 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

and the silver lining

is Minn is actively trying to buy-out Hudson's contract, meaning IF this trade is real we won't be taking that contract back ...

by hardcore on Jul 25, 2007 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really wouldnt want

to include that 1st round pick in the deal...every pick with Mullin and Nelson calling the shots is worth much.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 26, 2007 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do it

Make this deal now. This will ease the pain of losing J-rich. Really it will.

by warriorfan4life on Jul 24, 2007 11:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i wonder.......

if bdizzle and kg are getting hyphy and riding some yellow school buses

by lowchi on Jul 25, 2007 12:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Theyre going dumb on the bart

My friend had said that he did see them @ the bart station while he was on his way to union square... but i dunno just a thought

I am as powerful as 100 times 100 times 100 times 13 Stilts!

by jeppalepala on Jul 25, 2007 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

A'S

Well a diary was posted about BARON throwing out the first pitch at the A's vs. ORIOLES game recently. Anyone know if KG was at the game too? Maybe they caught BART to go to the game?! =P

"GO BIG or GO HOME!!!"

by scottiepimppen on Jul 25, 2007 1:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Need date & time, Coach Barry

Did your friend tell you what day and time KG was sighted in Oakland ? Reason I ask is because I was watching ESPN on Sunday afternoon (2 PM Pacific) and they were showing the finals of the UCLA tennis tournament (James Blake vs some other dude) and KG was in the stands. And yes, it was live. So unless KG was spotted in Oakland Saturday and then quickly flew down to LA Sunday morning to watch the tennis tourney, I'm having a tough time believing this rumor....

by All About The W on Jul 25, 2007 8:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

galaxy vs chelsea

yeah and i know on Saturday he was at david beckham's debut in L.A. i guess he was just teasing the fakers and exploring all of cali. probably blazed with snoop too cause we know he was believing during the playoffs

by hyphybird on Jul 25, 2007 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't buy this...

KG was at the David Beckham debut on Saturday in L.A.

by UweBlab on Jul 25, 2007 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

why is it so hard to believe?

But he is not a man to shrink from the moment, and he felt he owed it to Jennifer Love Hewitt, Eva Longoria, Kevin Garnett, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and the rest of the 27,000 people jammed into The Home Depot Center

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/soccer/20070722-9999-1s22beckham.html

by hyphybird on Jul 25, 2007 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Built Champship Teams

The whole built-from-within-great team thing as opposed to trading/signing is a total myth. Here are some examples:

Titles:

LA Laker Dynasty 1-Drafted Magic, but traded for Kareem. (also, way back when they got Wilt and won a title)

Rockets, '95-Drafted Hakeem, but traded for Drexler.

LA Laker Dynasty 2-Developed Kobe, but traded for Shaq. When Shaq went to Miami, they won too.

Miami Heat-Won with team built entirely around
signings/trades, except Wade.

Chicago and Spurs are anomaly rather than rule, as they have the two best players of the era on their teams. Makes a GM's job easy. I hope no-one is claiming any of the Warriors' youngsters are on that level!

Also, the Suns get cited a lot here. Yes, they drafted Marion, Leandro and Amare, but traded/signed for Diaw, Nash, Bell. Nash alone debunks this theory. Also, the great Suns team of the past featured Barkley, who came in a trade.

I'm amazed, simply amazed that a fan base that has suffered so much for so long would be talking so disdainfully about winning a title right now in exchange for the future. Holy molly. You think Miami fans are crying about their title?

by kirilenkoized on Jul 25, 2007 8:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

"I'm amazed, simply amazed

that a fan base that has suffered so much for so long would be talking so disdainfully about winning a title right now in exchange for the future"

If you're a recent Dubs fan you'll not understand the years and years of conditioning, like someone slapping your hand and screaming, "Don't Touch!" everytime you try to reach for the prize

But fear of change and uncertainty can be overcome; last year's playoffs was just a glimpse of it; so surreal after 13 years that now the old fears are starting to pop up again

we just need the friggin' season to start and things will be fine

by Anomaly on Jul 25, 2007 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have a feeling...

KG is out here trying to decide whether he wants to push a trade to the dubs or not. I think chillin with Lord Baron The Ambassador is only going to convince KG to tell Mchale to pull off the trade. Personally, feel like losing Monta is too much but I do understand the mentality of doing whatever it takes to get KG. Nellie almost retired after this season so it is quite obvious he is in win now or go back to Maui mode. I think if the KG trade were to happen, I would sit back and enjoy the ride despite knowing that Monta/Gilbert will be haunting us for years to come. Everything will work itself out and the Warriors will be able to get some quality pieces in the future through the draft or free agency once the KG/Baron ride is over.

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 25, 2007 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

you guys are idiots

you guys are idiots if you don't want kg. kg slowing down at age 31? look at his yearly stats, and you don't even see a motherf*ckin decline in anything. last year might have been the warriors best shot at winning a championship, so why not try to do better than last year? we lost jrich already, so we might as well go the whole way. you guys are plain ridiculous if you think we can make the playoffs with the roster as is. you guys are really exaggerating wright and our young guys "potential". why gamble on something unproven for something that is already proven (kg). kg will bring us to the top for the next 2 or 3 years, and that is worth it. stop exaggerating the young rookie talent. that's what we've been doing for the past 12 years. the goal is to win a championship. so get the f*ck on with it.

by thewarriorsrule on Jul 25, 2007 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

You're acting like an idiot

And I basically agree with you about KG. If you look at KG's yearly stats, you do see a fairly huge motherf*ckin decline over the past four years in both win shares and PER, both of which attempt to measure his overall productivity, based on offensive and defensive stats.

year -- PER/win shares
2003/04 -- 29.4/25.0
2004/05 -- 28.2/18.1
2005/06 -- 26.2/16.8
2006/07 -- 24.1/15.3

The thing is, in KG's case, this "decline" has taken him from by far the best player in the NBA to merely one of the best -- say, about the level of Tim Duncan. Now, this may be a "real" drop in KG's expected performance; or perhaps a result of the fact that he's gotten tired of dragging his teammates' crappy asses up and down the court 82 games a year; or some combo of the above. Either way -- if we're talking by far the best player in the NBA or just one of the best -- I can live with him, and would gladly, gladly deal Monta, Wright and change for him.

I totally agree with you that people are exaggerating our young kids' potential, but seriously, there's no need to call people names. It's only natural to value your own guys a little too much. People will come around the moment KG dons the midnight blue and gold...

(OK, must stop drooling, Homer-style...)

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 25, 2007 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

So true

People will come around the moment KG dons the midnight blue and gold...

This is so true. One weeks worht of 20pt 10reb games and he will be everyones favorite player. To be honest I'm sure there is part of me that will be sad to lose Monta/Wright/Al/Whoever, but this feeling will all go away when I see the guy scream after a dunk or blocked shot and I hear the Oracle explode. This guy plays with so much passion he might make Jax's head pop and Sarunas (if he's still on the team) will never sit down again. Ok I need to stop thinking about this before I start drooling too.

by olympicmike on Jul 25, 2007 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

KG's supporting cast

In defense to your stats, KG lost Cassell and Sprewell, which was probably a large reason why his PER/win shares went down. I'm not saying he hasn't declined, but he's not crashing like the stock market.

People need to look at what Miami did when they traded for Shaq. Shaq was definately overweight and on the decline, but they got their one championship. They may be financially screwed for the next 2 years, but at least they got that ring. Miami had to know Shaq wasn't going to be the same Shaq the past 12 years, but KG isn't an old geezer. He's a polished Veteran that would be joining a team that can carry their fair share of the load. It's not going to be a Baron/KG one/two punch. They will be leading the charge, but Jax, Belinelli, Biedrins, and others will contribute as well.

by Mdawg851 on Jul 25, 2007 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Miami scenario

is not a bad one but not identical either -

KG isn't likely to put on the kind of weight Shaq
nor do we have a young Wade in the wings

that said, I'd say Miami fans have a playoff team for a number of years following that ring, as would we

by hardcore on Jul 25, 2007 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

baron davis paraphrases the divine comedy

...hoping that Mullin will understand the implicit plea for KG to rectify the seemingly hopeless situation...

DANTE:Nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita
BARON: Towards the end of the second quarter
D:Perduto io in una selva oscura
B:I got double teamed again, sandwiched between bigs
D: Perche la DIRITTA via era smarrita
B: Because fools know they can collapse the lane on me

by mikej on Jul 25, 2007 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

next year starting lineup

pg - baron/pierce
sg - ellis/bellinelli/azubuike
sf - jax/barnes/posey
pf - harrington/powell
cc - garnett/pob/kosta/foyle?

championship, here we goooooo!!

(you guys need to be realistic in minnesota not wanting ellis b/c they have foye already. they need a big man, so it has to be biedrins, who i don't really care about, a career 50% ft shooter) and keeping ellis allows us to continue playing small ball!

by thewarriorsrule on Jul 25, 2007 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Realism

Monta and Foye are not necessarily incompatible. Since the Wolves have no true PG, it might actually behoove them to play two hybrid points. I'd be perfectly happy with those two as my starting guards on a young, rebuilding team.
Biedrins, 50% FT notwithstanding, is very likely more prized by Mulson than Monta. I'm sure he's also more prized by McHale, but I just get the sense we're not willing to part with him.
KG is not a center, and has said he doesn't like playing center.
Leaving KG with that pile of crap to help him defend the rim is not a recipe for a championship. If Minnesota is truly insistent on AB, we need to at least hang onto Wright.

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 25, 2007 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The

big man in the trade would be Wright, not Biedrins. I also think the Wolves would want Monta in the trade, they'd be crazy not to. Also you bring up a point about his free throwing, no one on the Dubs can shoot free throws so that amounts to a poor argument at best. Even if we did get rid of Ellis we would still be able to play small ball. I think Harrington, Wright and Ellis + some other chumps to make salaries match would be the best deal offered to Minny by far. That would leave us with a starting line up of

BD
Belinelli/Buike
Jax
KG
Biedrins

by J Rich 4 MVP on Jul 25, 2007 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

They are holding out on us for AB

there is no doubt in my mind. Wouldn't the deal hae already been done if all they want is monta and wright plus fillers. We aren't gonna budge on AB and unless they do then no KG baby.

THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE W'S

by dallaswarrior on Jul 26, 2007 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

not necessarily...

the hold up may only be because of the fact that we can't move Brace Face until Aug. 6. I hope that's the only hold up, cause I really don't wanna give up Latvia.

by WarriorForLife on Jul 26, 2007 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Somebody mentioned...

...that Biedrins can "guard the Duncans" straight up without much weakside help.

How many players in the NBA can make that claim? Rasheed did okay when they played in the Finals, but that was a couple years ago...

Point is, Biedrins' size, mobility, and defensive instincts might be unparralleld for an NBA 5 at this point in his career. Certainly, he isn't as dramatically explosive as, say, Tyson Chandler, but he plays better covering D.

by Zack Vank on Jul 25, 2007 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

KG, ehh

He's good, well great. If Baron was like Cal Ripkin Jr. I'd feel really good about the trade. If we only traded Monta, Harrington, Wright and $$$, I'd fee really good. Anything else would be suspect. And yeah, KG was in town from a lot of good sources of mine.

by gabezgsw on Jul 25, 2007 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs