#32 Cursed for the Warriors?
Today I was checking out NBA.com and they have this rookie photo shoot where all the rookies with their team jerseys. I was shocked to see that Wright chose #32. I don't know what Wright wore in college, but I am a bit wary of a lanky ACC power forward, first round pick who just has to "bulk up" coming to the warriors and choosing #32. Just wanted to say it here first, BWright is going to be a HUGE BUST. What do you guys think of Wrights prospects as an NBA plyer?
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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32?
by scottiepimppen on Jul 30, 2007 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
32
by J Rich 4 MVP on Jul 30, 2007 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Smith
You're not the first person to express doubts about Brandon Wright, but basing your opinion on such vague similarities on a pick from a decade ago doesn't seem convincing.
Perhaps you could bring up some basketball reasons instead of superstition?
We've talked about Wright alot:
- He will already be able to block shots on length and leaping ability alone.
- He's got a ridiculously good touch around the basket, ambidextrious around the rim.
- Rebounding will get better once conditioning and body development get better, but he can help on the offensive glass already
- He's quick and mobile enough to be a finisher
- Besides conditioning, foul trouble will probably limit his minutes early on
- what else you got?
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by OptionZero on Jul 30, 2007 4:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ignoring the numerology
If the plan is to get Wright to "bulk up" it's a bad plan. I cannot think of a player who became successful as a result of "bulking up" who wasn't a pretty reasonable player before "bulking up". I suspect there may be one or two, but it's a pretty lousy plan if that's the plan. Certainly guys fill out as they get older, but overall, big guys start out as pretty big, lean guys stay pretty lean.
Wright will increase his strength as he ages, but his forte is speed and coordination. If the plan is to have him try to muscle people in the paint, the plan isn't going to work now, probably not ever. If the plan is for him to get shots off close in before defenses can react, to get rebounds by being quicker to the ball, then the plan has a chance to succeed.
For what it's worth, it wasn't a lack of bulk that hurt Smith. It was that he decided he was a jump shooting perimeter player. His rookie season was his best. He could rebound and score better than the average PF. He was strong enough to be effective. But he not only never got better by 'bulking up', he regressed, largely because he drifted to the wing and thought that scoring on jumpers would make him a better player. It didn't. He just missed more shots and grabbed fewer rebounds.
Smith showed the 3 point shot in college. Wright has no perimeter game at all. In this context, this is a good sign as there's less of a chance that Wright will decide that he's gonna live with the long range shot.
Wright's success is by no means certain, but the comparison to Smith misses target.
by jae on Jul 30, 2007 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think people mean...
I think it would be extremely helpful for him to put on 8-10 lbs. by the beginning of next season.
This obviously wont transform into some kind of menacing strong man, dunking through teams while people do chin-ups on his arms...
However, some added strength and weight would allow him to hold some kind of position without being muscled out of the paint by the other team's PG haha... I mean 6-10 210 is stupid skinny. That should never happen.
I agree, he should stay lean throughout his career, he'll probably never weigh more than 235... But I think what people mean by "bulking up" is just to gain a little strength that will be needed to play defense and box out. The NBA game is just too physical for big men to be that light...He'll just get worn down, and by the end of the season he'll be so fatigued, he'll hit the rookie wall like humpty dumpty.
Getting moved around will just frustrate the kid proning him to early fouls...
I see where people are coming from. That said, I think he's going to be an awesome player, and I cant wait for him to prove himself worthy to all the haters out there...
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 31, 2007 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One
by J Rich 4 MVP on Jul 30, 2007 4:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
true true
i got an elevator in my house...... thats f'ing ridiculous
by stevenro59 on Jul 30, 2007 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm
by J Rich 4 MVP on Jul 30, 2007 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who has more talent?
i got an elevator in my house...... thats f'ing ridiculous
by stevenro59 on Jul 30, 2007 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CLARIFICATION
by scottiepimppen on Jul 30, 2007 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yea
by david240z on Jul 30, 2007 4:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
smith was a bust so #32 is cursed?
Wright'll be a Chris Gatling or Tyrone Hill at worst or maybe the next low-hyped Duncan-ish impact player that other teams envy and say we were so "lucky to land" years and years from now - who knows?
by Anomaly on Jul 30, 2007 5:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Reason
At this point there is not too much FACT about Wright. All we've seen is him play against ACC competition. Now hes going to have to go against men.
I did not watch too much ACC basketball last year. I usually stick to the Pac-10. So from what I saw last year from Wright is this ugly word that is so loosely thrown around, Potential. I think Wright has Potential. Also seeing a picture on NBA.com (sorry I couldnt get a specific picture link) just gave me a flash back to Joe Smith and now I can't shake it. Now Smith was a much more polished player coming out of college (I think he left after his junior year) but to me, judging from their physical attributes the players seem EXTREMELY similar. Both long and lanky. Now Bulking up is not Barry Bonds of '96 to '01. But if you compare KG of now, to KG entering the NBA, he definitely BULKED UP. I just remember when SMith entered the league everyone said the one thing this guy needs to do is bulk up. Everything I read about Wright is that he needs to bulk up as well. I know a lot of college players do need to bulk up, but these coincidences have proven too much for me to see if anyone else feels the same.
I feel that the #1 reason NBA players fail is being unable to grasp the mental game. Joe smith was not able to mentally want to be physical and play inside. IMO thats why he failed. Brandon Wright (fromw hat I saw) did not have any game inside, it seemed to be mostly finishing dunks. So i think there is a lot for him to improve on.
So if you guys dont think Joe Smith. Who do you compare him to? I dont think KG is a good one. NBAdraft.net compared him to Bosh which I think could be pretty close, altho i feel that Bosh was a better athlete coming out of Ga Tech.
by Dubs4Life on Jul 30, 2007 5:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yo
You mention that he played in the ACC as if it were nothing. That's one of the toughest conferences man with established programs.
Wright is not Garnett, not even Chris Bosh. Picture a leaner, more athletic Antawn Jamison when he was a Warrior (Before he turned into a jumpshooter) on offense and a Kirilenko-like rangy weakside shotblocker/disruptor on defense.
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by OptionZero on Jul 30, 2007 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
antawn???
by dj fuzzylogic on Jul 30, 2007 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
half-antawn
There's a lot of weakside shotblocking and steals to be had with those long arms and quick feet- Jamison could never claim that much potential on the otherside of the ball.
As an aside/off-topic, jamison has a lot of parallels to Richardson. Talented but flawed, not quite good enough to be a franchise player, monster contract, played hard, tagged as "face/heart/soul/etc of the team", dealt for cap space (and eventually, Baron Davis).
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by OptionZero on Jul 30, 2007 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I see compared to Antawn...
Add the jumping quickness with a 7-5 wingspan, soft hands, a good left, and rare mobility... than you got yourself a damn good ballplayer, and in our case, a 19 y.o. one...
But the fact of the matter is that we know he can play defense, and we know that when he catches the ball within 8 feet, he does not miss.
How could you not be high on a Brandan Wright? Sure there are busts, and then there are stars... alot of people throw around the word potential, but PF's in his mold dont come around often enough. Even though Garnett is not coming here, I still make the trade for J-Rich in the blink of an eye. And Jason Richardson is my favorite player.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 31, 2007 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see the Bosh comparison a lot (even i used it)
by sadleavy on Jul 30, 2007 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wright
Because he's got footspeed and reach, he's a great finisher in transition.
Defensively, he's shown shot-blocking ability. In Nelson's system, his mobility and length will get him a ton of steals (eventually).
Like someone else said, Biedrins is a good analogy on offense. On defense, we'll have to see, but I'm hoping for an AK like force.
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero on Jul 30, 2007 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dubs4life
the joe smith comparison is decent, it got overanalyzed tho(cough)
by jrizzle on Jul 30, 2007 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you wrote
by texanwarrior on Jul 30, 2007 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bw
So yea, he's not really like chris bosh, who had a solid offensive game coming out of college. And he's definitely not Joe smith. he's more like andris, but a little shorter and probably even faster.
by t1andonlywall on Jul 30, 2007 5:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yup
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by OptionZero on Jul 30, 2007 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
naw....
I never thought K-Mart though, from the little bit Ive seen of him.
His speed though is rediculous... He'll be the trailer on the fast break play for a lot of 2 hand throwdowns...
I think by the end of the season, he and Baron will have earned a spot on the top 10 plays of the year. No look alley-oop pass off the glass to the trailing Wright! ELEVATION SENSATION!(lame)...I love ya Tim, but goddamn you gotta describe the dunks dude...I need more.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is better bulk up
Joe Smith wasn't that bad, if he had hitted the weight room, he be putting 20-10 on normal days. His second yr was his best season. 18.7 and 8 rebounds are good number by a PF.
Wright isnt Joe Smith so there is no need of comparing both of them.
by warriorfan4life on Jul 30, 2007 6:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
AK47 better bulk up too if he is gonna be able to
THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE W'S
by dallaswarrior on Jul 30, 2007 7:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wright
But how effective he will be during the rest of the Don Nelson era, is a big question mark. First, like a lot of 19-year olds entering the league, he is unskilled offensively. So he'll have to get his buckets on althletic plays, and in Nellie's system, he might get some. Second, he is terribly skinny, which means he is going to have all sorts of problems on defense and posting up on the box on offense. Again, he'll probably only score on fastbreaks, weakside baskets and alley oops. Defensively, despite his shot blocking potential, he will be burned so much that Nelson will have to find some creative way to play him.
All in all, I doubt he'll play much his first season. He'll have to bulk up some to get decent on defense, so that he can stay in there long enough to block shots and ignite the fast break. He has nothing beyond a short jump shot, so he'll have to develop an offensive game.
But the real proablem he'll have with the Warriors, is that he is a poor rebounder for a prospect. The Warriors have enough bad rebounders as it is, so with his other faults, he'll really be struggling for playing time his first couple of years.
On another team he would start out at SF, but on the Warriors he might play center, who knows? I don't see him having much of an early impact and I still half expect him to be traded. But if he has any personal drive, I would guess that he will eventually find his niche in the NBA.
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 30, 2007 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring in Kirilenko...
Meanwhile, on the south side of town, Baron and company can cheat all day and rack up the steals with that kind of protection backing them up. Oh my GOD our defense would be regoddamdiculously quick. Im not joking.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 31, 2007 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bulking up
by StephenO4 on Jul 30, 2007 8:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bulking up
THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE W'S
by dallaswarrior on Jul 30, 2007 8:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
#32 is not cursed
http://nbadraft.net/1990.htm (lots of former Warriors in the 2nd round)
Joe Smith may have been the worst pick of the top 7 in his class: http://nbadraft.net/1995.htm
That doesn't make the #32 jinxed at all. It just makes Joe Smith a very bad draft pick. A Twardzik bad (safe) draft pick.
Was Wright worth J-Rich? Probably not on skill alone, but factor in the cap relief, duplication of skill and the need for an athletic big man that can rebound and it comes out fairly even on paper.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 30, 2007 10:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Safe pick?
The pick didn't work out, but let's not rewrite history. Smith was regarded as the best player in the draft by a number of people. I suspect that most teams would have made the same pick given what was known at the time.
by jae on Jul 31, 2007 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not arguing he was bad pick at the time
by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 31, 2007 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
safe?
Joe Smith was highly regarded. There wasn't a consensus sure thing franchise leader in that draft, but Smith was as close as anyone saw. Taking a known entity who is also considered by many to have the best future isn't safe, it's smart. That it didn't work out is a reason to ask if there's something that could have been known at the time, but it doesn't change what happened.
by jae on Aug 1, 2007 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Safe doesn't necessarily = bad.
In 2007, with hindsight as an evaluation tool, he can be considered a bad pick. Like I said, you can't truly evaluate a draft until years later.
I remember McDyess being considered the pick with the most upside but it's hard to find articles from that long ago on the internet. It would be cool to find some 1995 mock drafts but this is the only thing I could find that even analyzes that draft:
http://nbadraft.net/1995retrospective.asp
Doesn't prove my point, but a fun read. . .
by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 1, 2007 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the sake of clarity
was poorly written. It would have made more sense as: :Twardzik made the safe choice, which was his M.O., and that usually came back to bite him in the ass.
by bloodsweatndonuts on Aug 1, 2007 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Weight issue...
BW is listed at 205 lbs (probably around 200 more),
Other skinny guys.
KG is listed at 220lbs
Bosh is at 230lbs
AK47 is at 225
For contrast
Boozer is listed at 258lbs (daym!)
So this leads me to believe that even though BW is going to be a "athletic" speed type player, he's still going to need to put on at least 20
to weight as much as other the "athletic" big men in the league if the weight issue is any indication of success (very loose indicator outside of talent/skill and other factors I might add)
He is still growing into his body, and he has the frame to add some weight without losing mobility, so hit the weights Rookie!
by q00pster on Jul 30, 2007 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
At the pre-draft combine
His wingspan was 7'4", the same as Oden's and an inch less than Durant (who's the same height). But a red flag was that he was able to do TWO bench presses compared to 13 for Mike Conley (a point guard), 17 for Jeff Green (a small forward) and 20 for Al Horford. I bet Kevin Garnett can easily do 20, probably 30.
If you watch tapes of Wright, he doesn't have a great motor nor a nose for the ball. His rebounding stats are very poor for a highly touted big man. He doesn't go after the ball and he's very weak. He's a project, despite all of his athleticism.
The thing is, POB is a very soft player. You can't be soft and make it as a big man in this league. But Wright doesn't have the skills to play a smaller postion, at this point.
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 31, 2007 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
by zaki on Jul 31, 2007 2:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think its more about...
Rather than being strong and overpowering.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 31, 2007 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OAn3GqWyI4M
by yehyeh82 on Jul 31, 2007 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
by San Francisco Slim on Jul 31, 2007 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so....
And what happens when we inbound the ball without Baron on the court? Run, run, run isnt as simple as it sounds. Try to think more about the game in its entirety, rather than just seeing a bunch of highlight scenario's in your mind...
I'll let you in on this, the reason why you never saw us dump the ball down low last year under Nelson, is because we had virtually no one to give the ball to. If we coulda, we woulda.
I am actually for giving Biedrins about 8 or 10 more touches a game, and would encourage him to match his quickness and skills against some other slower C's.
That said, Wright, like Biedrins, has shown the ability to make anything within 8 ft. He's shown some extremely quick spin moves and rolls off defenders like butter. He really has the chance to be dominate offensive player, as well as a dominate low post defender/shotblocker.
Its kind of narrow-minded to say that 10 more pounds of strength would mean nothing at all...
If it didnt mean anything to Nelson, then why would he be asking Harrington to get lighter?
Or why would he pride himself so much in putting Baron up against a PF in the post, using his strength?
The fact is, it does matter. Its a long season, and these are men. A 6-10 205 pound 19 yr. old kid will get mirked by stronger guys. Since Nelson is the coach, does that entitle Wright to some magical power where no one can touch him, or lay into him? After 20 games, he'll feel like he just went 10 rounds with Sonny Liston.
by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 31, 2007 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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