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So what's going on in the world of free agency and how does it affect the Warriors?

Darko Milicic
The signing of Rashard Lewis to that ridiculous contract has made Darko expendable by the Magic as they've pulled their initial qualifying offer off the table. Apparently he's on Don Nelson's list of big men to pursue this year. I've never really been impressed with him and I think people are still caught up on his potential. If the Warriors were to sign him, he'll only be blocking the development of Brandan Wright (if he's still on the team) and we'll certainly have to overpay for an average big man. I think he'll play better in Nellie's system than in Orlando, but depending on his contract, I don't think it's worth the risk especially if it's 4-5 year deal.

Darko Milicic, anybody? Mr. Enigma isn't everybody's cup of tea, but I've heard that he's on Nelson's maybe-list for big-man pursuit. Milicic is very available now that Orlando has agreed to sign Rashard Lewis and pulled its offer for Milicic.

If the Kevin Garnett talks stall again, or if Mullin and Nelson conjure ideas of a KG/Darko front line, Milicic could be a big Warriors factor.


Matt Barnes and Mickael Pietrus
Both players are being pursued by the Miami Heat. Dallas is also reportedly in the mix for Barnes. I would like to keep both around at the right price starting with Barnes and then Pietrus for a little cheaper. We'll probably only be able to keep one at most. Losing both will kill our depth, but I have confidence that Mullin can find someone to fill in.

The Miami Heat has contacted agents for several small forwards, including, among others, Mo Peterson (Toronto Raptors), and Golden State Warriors Matt Barnes and Mickael Pietrus, while maintaining dialogue with James Posey.


Kevin Garnett
Guess who's entered (again) into the KG sweepstakes? Mark Cuban and the Dallas Mavericks are after the superstar.

Mark Cuban is confirming on the record to DallasBasketball.com that he is involving the Mavs in the Kevin Garnett Sweepstakes "because this is about trying to be opportunistic,'' says the team owner, adding that Dallas' willingness to pursue this deal is not a permanent change in overall philosophy but rather something "dependent on the situation.''

KG could really swing the balance of power in the Western Conference. He's rumored to be going to the Mavs, Suns, Lakers, or Warriors. If either of these teams pick him up, they'll instantly become legit contenders to knock San Antonio from their throne.


Kosta Perovic
In non-free agent news, the Warriors are about to bring Kosta Coast over to the NBA.

"He's jumping out of his skin and so are we," Duffy said. "It's been a long journey and he's excited to get here. ... This was about the right move at the first time of his career."

"It was his full objective to get to Golden State," said Duffy, who wouldn't go into specifics but described Pervoic's contract as being "pretty creative" and "well north of a conventional second-round contract."

Of course, his Serbian boss isn't too happy about the move which means he won't be playing for the national team.
The president of Serbia's basketball association, Dragan Kapicic, has been stung by Perovic's withdrawal, and that of FMP guard Zoran Erceg.

"Some of those individuals have publicly said to their people, 'We don't care about you, or your needs'," Kapicic said.

"It is a shameful attitude to our nation. "We are in a situation that, almost, players could easily say, 'Well... if I don't go with my girlfriend to the movie, I think I'll be available for the national team'. That's a huge impact on our state, on our sport, on single thing that was holy for us all these years ."

I find the girlfriend analogy funny and also confusing, not sure how it applies here. Anyways, I can understand the anger the Kapicic has towards the players leaving the national team. Outside of the USA, when your best players are not playing for your country, it's going to hit you hard. It's not clear why Kosta can't play in the NBA and on the national team, but it's clear he's looking out for #1, himself first.


Luxury Tax?
Are the Warriors really willing to exceed the salary cap and pay the luxury tax that goes along with it? According to President Robert Rowell, the team is willing to exceed the cap.

"I've always said this team will pay a tax if we're in a position to put a team out on the court that's going to compete at the highest level possible," Rowell said. "I'll also back up and say that in the history of who's won championships in this league, the San Antonio Spurs have won four championships and they've paid tax once. ... So it's very doable."

This brings up all kinds of possibilities. I'll have to see it to believe it, but if the Warriors are willing to exceed the cap, then signing GWallace, Biedrins, and Monta could be a possibility. Hmmm...

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Deleted the Darko diary
Sorry, deleted the Darko diary because I just put this up here and there was really only one relevant comment on there.

by Fantasy Junkie on Jul 5, 2007 1:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Plus
It didn't follow the rules. No link, no love.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 5, 2007 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was mistaken
I thought the rule was no glove, no love. My bad.

by Tony Stark on Jul 5, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch
diary pulled and no love for being the first to post this info. Alas, maybe if it had something to do with Yi....

by Tony Stark on Jul 5, 2007 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alas
Maybe if you followed the rules and didn't take a cheap shot at the writers of this blog.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 5, 2007 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
I thought I gave a fairly reasonable excuse as to why I didn't post the link (I'm not going to repeat it at this point, it doesn't matter) and I stated the article's source and the author who wrote it. We can't look up something on our own? We all need a direct link? Gotcha. I'll keep that in mind. Go ahead and delete this post, heck even my account while your at it. It's all good.

by Tony Stark on Jul 5, 2007 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Honestly it's getting really, really old. We've said the rules a hundred times and they're clearly stated. No need to whine throw a tantrum. Your account is not going to get deleted and it's pretty paranoid to think that- no one's account has ever been deleted except for one Jazz fan who came over here and had a pretty bad potty mouth with some racist and homophobic nonsense.
We can't look up something on our own? We all need a direct link? Gotcha. I'll keep that in mind.

For the one millionth time- when you hijack content from another place without posting a link you're stealing another site's traffic and not giving them their due. That's unfair. It's also stealing their content instead of quoting it.

Again and this goes for everybody- if you don't like the rules, there's plenty of other places for you to go to online. Have fun.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 5, 2007 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoh there
I wouldn't quite define my actions as "stealing" their content when I state the author's name and the website that he wrote it on. That's not giving him credit? Can you explain that to me further? Forget it, I'm obviously missing something here and I'm just going to duck out now...sorry for the "tantrum"

by Tony Stark on Jul 5, 2007 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah!
Your account is not going to get deleted and it's pretty paranoid to think that- no one's account has ever been deleted except for one Jazz fan who came over here and had a pretty bad potty mouth with some racist and homophobic nonsense.

And hopefully 49GIANTwarriors


http://westcoastbiased.blogspot.com

by coma on Jul 5, 2007 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deleted because
I, in part, deleted the diary because there have been multiple requests to clean up the diary section. Thank you for posting the link, but since there weren't many comments on the subject and you did not write much more than a comment's worth of material there was no reason for it to be in the diaries section when I had written a main page piece for it.

We're trying to consolidate diaries. If you want your diary to stay up there, please write more than 3-5 sentences on the topic.

Continue to be proactive, just know that if you only write a few sentences and your link gets duplicated on the main section, there's a chance you'll get deleted. Don't take it so personal, it's in response to multiple requests to keep the diary section cleaned up.

by Fantasy Junkie on Jul 5, 2007 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No no
I totally get it Fantasy, I was completely kidding with my comment about getting no love for the post. And I totally appreciate the effort to consolidate the diaries, they have been getting out of hand. Your article here was extremely well done, and much more expansive than my original one was. I just caught the article from the Merc, and posted what the quote that was of particular importance. Your boy Atma here just seems to be looking for a confrontation when there is no need for that. Lighten up man, this is such a silly thing to be upset over. Thanks for the civilized post here Fantasy, keep up the good work.

PS. Atma, my paranoid banter about my account deletion was actually more of a request than a worry. But it's all good, I'm hoping this conversation ends here. And I get it now with why the link is more important than just stating where it came from, site traffic, etc. Just didn't appreciate the tone. Ok NOW I'm done..haha

by Tony Stark on Jul 5, 2007 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh my
Your boy Atma here just seems to be looking for a confrontation when there is no need for that. Lighten up man, this is such a silly thing to be upset over.

You whine about your diary being deleted and take a shot at us saying things would've different with your diary if was about Yi and then accuse me of looking for a confrontation? Haha, you've got to be kidding me.

I'm not trying to be confrontational and never was my intention, but I can't tell you how sick we all are of seeing pointless diaries and people not following the extremely simple rules. It's like a broken record that people still don't seem to listen to.

I understand you don't appreciate the tone (which I think you're reading into too much and being too sensitive), but hey- after a million tries if this gets results, that's what's going to happen.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 5, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Let's try this again:
You whine about your diary being deleted and take a shot at us saying things would've different with your diary if was about Yi and then accuse me of looking for a confrontation? Haha, you've got to be kidding me.

Argh! I WAS KIDDING!

I was completely kidding with my comment about getting no love for the post.

The same goes for the Yi comment. I don't think it's any secret that there has been a ton of Yi posts on this website over the past month or so and I was trying to make fun of the situation. I don't know what else to say.

by Tony Stark on Jul 5, 2007 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's Getting So Tired...
So tired of your inflated sense of importance and crappy attitude.  Maybe your inflated ego isn't allowing you to see it but you completely take a hostile tone in your responses.  I've seen it over and over w/ your comments.

Either get used to people giving you sh.. for it or change you attitude Atma.

by faithndraft on Jul 5, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again
Again and this goes for everybody- if you don't like the rules, there's plenty of other places for you to go to online. Have fun.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 5, 2007 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please
We've let a lot of stuff slide for the past year or so here and now it's gotten out of hand. We've been nice about the restrictions before and not calling people out on it. It's out of control right now. Unless we take a hard stance on it now, it's just going to get worse. If you don't like Atma's attitude, you're free to visit another site where you can share whatever thoughts you have there.

We're cracking down on the diaries and disrespectful comments. If you see it as rude or an "inflated sense of importance" then you're completely misunderstanding the reasoning (and frustration) behind it. There's absolutely no need to take shots at anyone, especially Atma.

by Fantasy Junkie on Jul 5, 2007 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not about the rules...
It's about the attitude.  Cool... you want to call people out because they are not following the rules, go for it.  But I am going to call you guys out if you do so disrespectfully.  I appreciate the work you guys put into the site but that dose not exempt you all from accountability.  

by faithndraft on Jul 5, 2007 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to admit
Fantasy Junkie, DJ Fuzzylogic and I are all trying on this "no more Mr. Nice Guy" stance after over 2 years of mixed success with the Mr. Nice Guy stance. I think you're relatively new here, so you're don't have the full context. We're simply sick of the filth which includes people not following the rules, taking personal shots at each other, starting flame wars, not reading properly, and putting words in people's mouths.

Accountability is expected, but I can't say I agree with your stance that it's being done disrespectfully.

And as a parting shot- scanning over your diary and comments on this site the majority of them are either complaints or shots at other people. It would be nice to see you focusing that energy on actually talking about hoops here. Practice what you preach brotha!

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 5, 2007 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Atma
If I may toss in my two cents. I have been frequenting this site since January and I think I have a pretty good sense of the mood and atmosphere around here. I could definitely feel a difference in the way you and the rest of the guys have been handling things lately and I have to honestly say that I'm not a big fan.

You have a very hard job keeping this place from falling apart and turning into what most blogs/forums turn into (ughh). I have to say that one of the things that kept me coming back early on was seeing your friendly "Mr. nice guy" comments calmly and politely yet authoritatively reminding everyone that this is a "family show" and such. I remember clearly taking notice of your tone and found it incredibly refreshing and effective. Just remember that most of the time negativity breeds negativity and positivity breeds positivity.

I'm sure there are some repeat offenders that require a firmer hand, but on the whole, even if it doesn't work, the "Mr. Nice Guy" approach does keep the community feeling like a fun safe place to come and talk hoops. And those of us who do come here to talk hoops do learn to identify and ignore the idiots until they get bored and go away.

Anyway I just want to say that I really appreciate all the hard work and great writing you and the other guys put into this blog. I have thoroughly enjoyed sharing the past few months with all the Ws fans here. I hope I wasn't out of line sharing my thoughts on the matter, I just thought I would toss my perspective your way. Take it for what it's worth. (not much, haha)

by olympicmike on Jul 6, 2007 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the thoughts
I appreciate them. I can't say it's really our style to put on this "no more Mr. nice guy" facade, but we're honestly just extremely frustrated with people acting silly right now. I can't say I really have the solution.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 6, 2007 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
I can definitely understand your frustration. Keep up the good fight.

by olympicmike on Jul 6, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My $.02
Olympic Mike, I hear what you're saying, but, personally, I see the "change," such as it is, as a reaction to the increased flaming and negativity of late, not as the cause of it.

As far as I can tell, the GsoM boys are cracking down not on stupid posts and diaries per se but against the miffed reactions said posts and diaries have been provoking (in yours truly, among many others).

And honestly, while I totally respect your opinion on the matter, I have nothing but disrespect for the opinion of a particular poster in this thread who's made a total of seven comments on this site, out of which five were hypocritical anti-GSoM rants, one was an off-the-wall Marxist screed, and a grand total of one had anything to with basketball or the Warriors. (I say this as a guy who thinks most of Marx's ideas were pretty cool).

I mean, you'd think people would at least have the courtesy to take off their coat, wipe their shoes, and say hello before trying to rearrange the furniture and fry up bacon in the kitchen...

As for Tony Stark: ah well, he gets a bit more of a pass from me, for, you know, taking that shrapnel to the heart, and having to walk around in that iron suit...

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 6, 2007 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clarification
"I see the "change," such as it is, as a reaction to the increased flaming and negativity of late, not as the cause of it."

I agree with you and I hope that I didn't come across as believing that Atma's new tactics were the cause. I just tend to think that setting a positive example and keeping a friendly attitude goes a long way in making it not fun for jerks to hang around very long. Of course if I was in Atma's shoes I would probably tire quickly of seeing the same guys abuse the blog and disregard the rules of conduct. All in all I think that the boys do a great job and I can support this "no more Mr nice guy" strategy even if it's not my prefered way of handling things.

by olympicmike on Jul 6, 2007 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey
how about we ease the tension here and talk about Mr. Warrior himself, "Aluminum Tin" Foyle! Read to Achieve!!

by Aluminum Foyle on Jul 5, 2007 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listen up (Read up?)
We're not here to be the bad guys in this, especially Atma. He's been the one who has to babysit all of these diaries and constantly tell people the same thing over and over. I can understand his frustration and so should you. So when he reprimands you for a mistake, it's not a personal shot, but a way to make people understand that we won't stand for it anymore. We all work hard to keep this site going strong and don't want people violating simple rules. It's a headache and doesn't allow us to concentrate on more important things.

Just don't do it again and don't take shots at people while admitting you screwed up. It's classless. End of story.

by Fantasy Junkie on Jul 5, 2007 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the love of all things holy...
Don't sign Darko. The absolute best thing about the Warriors in the latter half of last year was their chemistry and their desire. While jetisoning JRich doesn't help us in either category, picking up Darko would hurt so much more. He clearly doesn't care when he's on the court, his intensity is nil, and, well, he's just not that good. We've got Adonal Foyle and POB to be pseudo-bogus big men. Do we really need another one?

Then take Barnes: he's the exact opposite. He's a player without a ton of skills, but he's cold-blooded, he's clutch, and he plays with passion. What he doesn't have in potential and height (Darko's only upsides), he makes up in actually playing like he wants to win. That's invaluable in my opinion.

For the record: Pietrus is spotty. Think they should let him go if he's going to cost us anything substantial.

by Tenorca on Jul 5, 2007 1:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Darko...
is a poor man's Aluminum Foyle

by Aluminum Foyle on Jul 5, 2007 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Donnie Darko, please
He will commend a big contract. It's not really worth it to sign a potentially good player with massive amounts of potential to a big FA contract. It'll only hinder our quest to compete in the playoffs. It could also wreck havoc on team chemistry. I'm more willing to pursue a possible/potential trade for KG or just get Gerald Wallace via FA. I would also rather sign Matt Barnes to a bigger contract with more years to improve upon our roster than wait on Darko Milicic's potential to blossom. He was picked No. 2 overall in LeBron James' draft, but I don't really wanna risk our playoff chances on this guy. Let him sign to Dallas. Let Dallas develop him into Pau Gasol. We have a lot to lose if we wanna break the bank for potential.

by Phil T28 on Jul 5, 2007 1:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I havent seen Darko play
very much. What is the concensus around the league with this guy? Does he fit the Nelson system? And how is he defensivly. I have looked at the stats but how does he fit?
THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE W'S

by dallaswarrior on Jul 5, 2007 1:50 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The skinny on Darko
He doesn't produce. He's your all-time "upside" guy. We're all waiting for him to bring his A-game. Right now, we're at about a C+. It probably won't get much  better.

by Tenorca on Jul 5, 2007 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FA newz
Darko = part of plan B if we do not snatch KG? Unexpected opportunities like picking him up cheap are the result of having the "flexibility" Mullin was championing. If we get him for less than big $ I think there'd be enough minutes for him to share with Wright and AB (never enough bigs) and allow Harrington to stay out of the 5 spot. Those four are all versatile. That would also mean the JRich trade landed us Wright and Darko. Hmm.

Loss of Barnes/Pietrus - are partially offset by the drafting of Belinelli and will be replaced by more of the same (Barnes was a cheap pickup, some have mentioned Udoka as an option - Nelson has a knack there). Barnes is worth keeping but only at a decent cost

KG - absolutely swings the balance in the west - and you are plucking a chord that others have missed about GSW picking up KG - is there any chance of GS advancing any further in the playoffs during the BD/Nelson era if LA, Phx, or Dallas were to snag him? Hopefully Cuban is just playing possum and trying to drive the price up for the locals, but it does reinforce the dynamic impact KG will have next season whether or not he's here...

... and GHill - although not in your post, it's also worth pointing out that players like Hill sign for less in exchange for a shot at a ring (he's reportedly agreed to a biennial exemption of a mere 1.8m, http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6994610) another potential effect of landing KG

by hardcore on Jul 5, 2007 1:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Darko?
I'm big time Darko apologist, but just don't see the Warriors signing him. If the warriors were will to spend the $$$ necessary to get Darko, then they could have justified keeping J-Rich around. Thought Darko has proven he do two things that Al Harrington cannot. REBOUND and BLOCKING A SHOT. That said, isn't that the reason Mully brought in B. Wright?

by mcwalter44 on Jul 5, 2007 1:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Darko is a big guy who can
guard a legit center

If they did bring in Darko and with this Kosta signing I have to think Foyle will be cut and POB might be traded

by Zig on Jul 5, 2007 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kosta singing is odd
without more moves

Having three deadweight and/or young centers (Kosta, POB and Foyle) plus a rookie PF in Wright and then thinking about bringing in Darko must be part of a larger strategy

Otherwise the roster is greatly lacking depth at the 3

Signing Kosta might mean POB is gone or Foyle will be cut

by Zig on Jul 5, 2007 1:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kosta singing
Could it be any odder than Monta rapping?

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 5, 2007 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monta rapping
if true, seems about par for course in the NBA

by Zig on Jul 5, 2007 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bring Darko
Dude is only 22 and averaged double digit points in the nba playoffs. If I have to pick him or Brandan Wright, I pick Darko for this team right now. Darko and Biedrins would be a tough matchup for any team because they can both run. Darko also has a decent J to bring the opposing big man out of the lane, and we now what Monta and Diddy do with an open lane-FINISH. I'm all for bringing this dude in.  

by steezelle on Jul 5, 2007 3:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and now for the negatives...
Bringing in Darko means bye-bye cap room and by extension, bye-bye to Biedrins & Monta next year.

His stats look decent, sure, but have you watched the dude play. He looks like I do when I come into work, and, trust me, I get a lot less money to do something a lot less enjoyable. What I'm saying is the W's got rid of Murphy and have no passionless slouches on the team anymore. You get Darko, you get one of those and a guy like that can derail chemistry and ruin your chances for years.

Say no to this bum.

by Tenorca on Jul 5, 2007 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darko v. Murphy
There's not really any comparison. I thought Murphy had plenty of passion, he just didn't have the talent and athleticism to compete with most NBA 4s and 5s. Darko may lack passion, but he's a legit, athletic NBA 5 who can run the floor and defend the rim -- really the two most important qualities in a Nellieball big man.

Blocks per 40 minutes, career
Darko 3.2
Murphy 0.6

A factor of 5. That should tell you all you need to know about the main differences between their games.

Also: Darko just turned 22 last month, and has never really gotten regular PT. I'd give him at least a couple of years before writing him off. If he starts to show consistently what he's he's so far shown in flashes, he could be the bargain of the century. I'd say he's clearlly worth a gamble, at the MLE or even a bit more.

Basically, the Magic are fools. I'd take Darko over Rashard Lewis, at the same price. 5 years/$80M for a soft, no-D jumpshooter? To quote Jim Barnett: my word!

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 5, 2007 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darko won't help us
Darko will do nothing but hurt the Warriors. He doesn't have any heart & plays scared IMO. We need to resign Barnes to maintain our bench/SF & then hope to either get KG via trade or pick up G.Wallace via FA. I really hope we stay away from Darko's filthy ass cuz he is soft & we already have Foyle & POB holding down $$$ and giving us practically zero production!! Darko will just be another big making a big paycheck & giving the Dubs nothing in return.

by DubsGonDoIt on Jul 5, 2007 3:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

news
1. Darko
He's a perfect fit for Nellie and complement to Biedrins. For anyone that wonders what the hype is and why he's still in demand despite lack of numbers, watch this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6Y7WtlRjVM

Forget the dunks...you can even forget about the blocks. Watch him move:
-When he shows on screens, he's able to cut off smaller guards. Even when other forwards try to take him off the dribble, he does a pretty good job moving his feet and staying on front

-Toward the end of the clip, you see him make some really, really nice feeds, so the high post passing ability that Nellie demands is gonna be there.
-Now bring the blocks back into the picture, and look at how he uses his length and quickness to get into position. His block rate is higher than that of Biedrins.
-His range extends to the top of the key

That's a pretty alluring package for a big man in his early 20's with legit 7 foot size.

He's asking for $9-10M which is too much, and he won't settle for the MLE if he doesn't have to. We are one of only a few teams that can split the difference and offer him something like $7-8M (if it came down to that).

2. Barnes and Pietrus.
Why would anyone want Pietrus back? He sucks.

Barnes I'd like back, but it's not looking good. Today, the bulls offered Andres Nocioni 5 years, $38M, an average of over $7M/year. Nocioni is a more proven performer than Barnes, but last year the two were pretty comparable. If it takes something like 5 years, $30-35M to keep him, then I don't want him back. You can't pay bench players that much money if you want to be financially responsibile at all, and you can't let the thought of "keeping the team together" cloud your judgment. Barnes is not worth that kind of money- his value to us was the versatility at a minimal cost. When you give him that sort of contract, you have to get back more, and given that Barnes had a career year from 3 pt range, you can't really count on him to repeat or maintain that over his contract

3. Perovic.
Makes no sense to bring him over

4. Luxury tax.
Bullshit. I want copies of the receipts if Cohan wants us to buy this.

5. Garnett.
The best time to take advantage of the market is the very start (beating people to the punch) or the very end (when everyone's spent their wad). I hope the Garnett chase is actually progressing, or else we're obsessing over this at the cost of other moves. Flexibility can be lack of direction real easily, Mullin better have clear priorities and deadlines laid out.

by OptionZero on Jul 5, 2007 3:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agree with the Barens stuff
His value is inflated because of our system

I like your Darko analysis too.  He would be a steal at 6-8 million and I like that he is big enough to guard big centers and even bang on guys like Carlos Boozer (something AB, POB and Wright will never be able to do)

With the Perovic signing POB must be on his way out.  With a Darko signing I can't imagine Foyle will be hanging around either.  There are only so many roster spots and with Wright and the 2nd round pick this year along with POB, Foyle, AB, Kosta you are already using up half of them without even adding Darko to the mix.  A very un-Nellie like logjam of big guys

by Zig on Jul 5, 2007 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

although
Remember the start of last year?
I believe we went into the season with Murphy, Foyle, Biedrins, POB, and Diogu (and Dunleavy was for a while thought to be playing some power forward for us, laughably enough).

More than a few Warrior fans pointed out that this was a real ugly logjam that was going to be uglier with Nelson's preference for skill over size.

There were also rumors we were after Chris Wilcox and Melvin Ely (and hHarrington), both of whom are really power fowards only. Of course, it makes a little more sense now that we wanted another rebounding, athletic, big man, but at the time, it was stupidity.

What do I take from this? Don Nelson and Chris Mullin don't particularly care about log jams: they will get the players they think fit better and will produce more, the leftover guys be damned. Later in the season, they'll sort out the mess somehow later on because they aren't afraid to make deals.

I like this attitude; go out and get your guys, make the team better, MAKE the roster fit. Round hole? Meet square peg and giant Nellie-sized hammer. Awesome.

So what we might have at play here is Nelson sees something he likes in Kosta and Darko, Mullin's gonna get these guys on the team. The two of them will find a way to ditch Foyle (buyout?) and POB (Trade?) sometime before the next trade deadline, even if it means those guys sit on the bench. If you can move Dunleavy/Murphy, you can move POB easily enough. Foyle's probably gonna hit us bad either way (bench or buyout), unless you want to flip Ellis to move Foyle and pickup an expiring contract + lottery pick

by OptionZero on Jul 5, 2007 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice
Nice analysis of Darko.  He in fact does move very well for a guy his height/weight and he would be our response to players like Boozer and Duncan.

I'd really like to see Darko on the Warriors, but I don't think he should get paid anything more than the MLE until he proves something in the NBA.  Unfortunately, there will be someone out there willing to do it.

by jlagace on Jul 5, 2007 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im betting mavs are targeting
Garnett because we are targeting him. Its all a plan cuban is making to try and beat us

by GSwarrior on Jul 5, 2007 4:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dallas Mavericks
Somebody please tell me how Dallas will get KG in a trade without having to give up Dirk Nowitzki? I don't think Minnesota will make the move unless Dallas' superstar is involved. Even if Dallas uses Jason Terry and Devin Harris along with Josh Howard and future draft picks, Minnesota will not let KG go with that kind of value. Expect Dallas to make no significant trades, only getting good free agents this off-season. Mark Cuban, you gotta be kidding me.

by Phil T28 on Jul 5, 2007 4:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Stackhouse
Just re-signed for MORE than the mid-level exception, more than $21M/3 years IIRC.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/46933/20070705/stackhouse_sticking_with_mavs/

If that's true, they are pretty much done moving around pieces, Terry and Damp are too expensive, they overvalue Devin Harris, Howard is their second best player, and Diop is worth more to them than another team.

$7M for Stackhouse is just excessive...he shoots in the low 40's, doesn't do much else except get to the line alot.

by OptionZero on Jul 5, 2007 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

poss to pair KG & Dirk
Howard + Harris +  Diop + Greg Buckner + picks ...

can't believe McHale wouldn't get a better offer than that

by hardcore on Jul 6, 2007 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KG Likely Destinations (in my opinion)
I believe that if Minnesota is gonna deal KG, I think he could most likely end up in Phoenix. Phoenix is the best destination for him because they have always been in contention of a title, even though they haven't reached the Finals since Charles  Barkley has led them there. KG has always flirted with the idea of wanting to get to the championship game. He only came close in 2004 in the West Finals against the Lakers and lost. Ever since, he hasn't been to the playoffs. Phoenix is almost guaranteed to make the 2nd round of the playoffs and is always willing to improve their roster. One bit of concern for them is that they wouldn't want to give up their best trading asset in Amare Stoudemire. Other than him, Phoenix can include Shawn Marion in a deal to entice Minnesota, but both parties don't want that deal. If Phoenix really wants to win that elusive title, they should let Amare go to Minnesota and they'll persuade them to let KG go. The second most likely team would be the Lakers unfortunately. Even though the Lakers have been sucking since losing to the Pistons in the Finals, KG would definitely welcome the Tinseltown atmosphere. He would also love the fact that he'll have an established All-star in Kobe Bryant playing alongside of him. Both will have to share the superstar status and ball if a trade goes down here. We would be the 3rd most likely destination for KG. We have a lot of young tradeable assets to entice Minnesota for such a deal. We also have that $10M trade exception/exemption. Brandan Wright is probably what Minnesota covets most from us along with our young stars such as Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins. KG would definitely benefit from playing Nellieball here. He'll be an instant fan favorite and likely help us pursue the West Finals in the playoffs. Another likely destination would be Chicago because KG's a Chicago native and Chicago has a lot of young tradeable assets as well. Dallas would be a long shot like I've posted before, if they don't wanna part with Dirk Nowitzki.

by Phil T28 on Jul 5, 2007 5:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

GSW Not the Best Option
KG may not come to GS because other teams have more to offer.  It would have to be a three-way trade.

The Warriors have a problem.  They now have a slew of rookies that will take some time to develop.  Don Nelson does not work well with rookies.  He will only coach this year if the Warriors can challenge in the playoffs.  If he has to go with rookies he may retire.  If he retires, what happens to the system?

Jim

by jarforcefathwerofforce on Jul 5, 2007 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who has more to offer?
Of the possibilities mentioned, really only Phoenix (Amare+) and Boston (Jefferson+) seem like they could trump our bid. KG has said he doesn't want to go to Boston, and if Phoenix were willing to part with Amare it seems to me a deal would already have been struck.

Even with Amare and Jeff in the mix, I'm not sure the Ws can't put together the best package, if they really go balls-out. In terms of youth, talent, and $$$, there may be no package out as appealing to MIN as Biedrins/Wright/Monta/Harrington/Cabbages, plus the ability to absorb a couple of their crap contracts. I think personally that's too much -- I'd ask to hold out one of Wright or AB, or for them to include Ricky Davis as one of their crap contracts, or to switch out Foyle for Harrington. But after the Wright deal, we certainly have the means to get something to done. Whether we have the will is another matter.

Honestly, if we could get Darko for cheap, I'd consider breaking that last barrier and including AB, Wright, and Monta. I'd want them to take Foyle -- not the most ridiculous request since he's only a year removed from being the expiring contract they crave. I'd actually think we could make ourselves a much more desirable destination for Darko by offering him the starting C role. At his age/development stage, that, more than anything else, could be the determining factor in where he lands.

Baron
Jax
Harrington (or Artest, if we can swing it)
KG
Darko
----
+ whatever bench we can cobble together: R. Davis (?), Hudson (?), Bellini, Buki, Lasme, Perovic, Udoka (?)

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 5, 2007 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if we sign darko, we might lose biedrins
we've already shown a willingness to trade monta and harrington, and if we have darko, AB is "expendable", or at least might be, and then we can offer a sweet package of biedrins, ellis, wright, and al harrington (+foyle's contract?) for KG.

as for all the back and forth at the start of the post, my recommendation is: less dialogue; more moderators (i.e., the OG GSOM team) who simply delete off-the-wall stuff.  having 10 posts with a couple newbies mouthing off at the top of this page is a pain.

by OaktownWarrior on Jul 5, 2007 7:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Right on the same page.

On the crybabies ... noobs or not, the whining up there is just pathetic, isn't it? "Waahhhhhhhh!!!!! If you call us out, do it respectfully!!!! Mommeeeeeee!!!" Honestly, not to suck up to hosts, but I really have no idea how Atma and FJ can make their requests any more respectfully than they do. As someone who occasionally indulges in snarkiness/flaming on this board, I'm constantly amazed at their forbearance.

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 5, 2007 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deleting
as for all the back and forth at the start of the post, my recommendation is: less dialogue; more moderators (i.e., the OG GSOM team) who simply delete off-the-wall stuff.  having 10 posts with a couple newbies mouthing off at the top of this page is a pain.

Haha, man people would go nuts if we deleted their posts just because they were silly! That would result in 100 ridiculous "you're a Nazi" or "this is America" type posts.

Thank god for the old timers like you and the rest of the long time GSoMers though man. Thank god.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 5, 2007 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can opt out after this year
hence all the trade talk. If they don't trade him now, he's likely to walk for nothing.

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 5, 2007 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but who could sign him?
If he left it would most likely be in a sign and trade. They would get what the want but they would get something.

by Psion on Jul 5, 2007 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that's a good question
Probably one for JAE. Obviously no one is $20M under the cap.

I could foresee a couple of possibilities

  • Over the course of the season, interested teams could start jettisoning decent players to clear space for him.
  • He could take a big pay cut to play where he wanted.
  • He could threaten to take a big pay cut to play where he wanted, thereby forcing MIN to accept a sign/trade for pennies on the dollar. From what I've gleaned on this site, sign/trades very rarely bring back close to equal value for the original team.
In any case, the chances of his re-upping with MIN seem to be pretty much nil. Unless they actually think a disgruntled KG + a bunch of young kids makes them a serious playoff contender, I can't see why they'd be very keen to call KG's bluff.

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 5, 2007 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

to which someone will ask:
why not just wait? ... (someone's gonna ask it eventually, I'm not responding to you per se Sleepy, though we might be the signature members of the GSoM-GFIN club ...)

Anyway, if we wait, we lose momentum, and maybe Nelson along the way & decide what to do as Baron is closer to asking for a biiiig extension. KG will either be a sign and trade or a virtual FA depending upon how you look at it, and our chances to land him then become even less than they are now - this is our best shot.

by hardcore on Jul 5, 2007 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garnett's options and the cap
Garnett is one of the players who has a contract above the 'maximum salary' and is grandfathered in to have contracts above this when signing a new contract.  It's a ridiculous sum of money and he's fabulously wealthy unless he's been fabulously stupid with his money, so perhaps he'd take less, probably much less, to go somewhere else.  That's real leverage he has though a few teams might be under the cap.

But it's not the only leverage. Charlotte has the possibility of offering him about what he's making (provided they don't break the bank for Wallace) in a year's time and so will Atlanta and Orlando if they don't do anything stupid in the mean time.  Orlando would look to be his best option at that point as they could have the cap room if they maneuvered properly with Howard, didn't offer him the early extension, computed the salary with the qualifying offer, got Garnett and then re-inked Howard.  That seems to be the best team situation, though Richardson and Okafur in Charlotte could seem enticing if any of the younger guys start to not suck and if he's still got roots in South Carolina, Charlotte may seem close to home, which makes people overlook places that suck at times.  

So there are a couple of ways that Minn could get nothing for him, and they probably fear that and fear makes people do stupid things.  

Instead of watching him walk, they could offer sign-and-trade possibilities to him and his agent for an even better destination, but sign-and-trades don't bring back much in most cases.  Part of this is because a player (or more to the point, his hopefully savvy agent) won't agree to a sign-and-trade that does give up much because it means he is going to be playing for a team that was just gutted in order to get his client. Some teams can afford to give up a valuable player (e.g. Odom) and some salary match (e.g. Kwame Brown) where LA would come out ahead in talent, still retain enough to make sense for them and Minn would get enough back at low enough risk that they'd perhaps be better off than having nothing, but more often, subtracting Garnett's salary in players off of a team means they've lost a substantial amount of talent and start looking like Minn without Garnett all of a sudden.  

Because of this, it means picks and scraps for the deal to make sense for Garnett and the team he's going to and to make sense for Minn in not taking back a burden worse than letting him walk.  The scraps to get Garnett at his price are big scraps and thus he's again in the position where he may have to take less still.  Minn has little incentive to take people's problem contracts unless they're getting something very good in return (like picks for the next millennium and/or a rookie scale all-star or 17) just to get something for Garnett.  They're better with the cap room.  Sign-and-trade doesn't seem like it's worthwhile for them because of his enormous salary.  Minn will want picks, but they'll have to take salary too. Does anyone have 22 million in expiring contracts that they can move?   Taking things back is an issue.  If they can't get young talent plus expiring contracts this year, they're better off holding him and just taking the cap room.  

I give a deal this off season no better than 50-50.  I've heard the "they have to move him now after all this talk" but what if they don't?  They lose him in a year for the cap room.  McHale hasn't really been a good GM since getting lucky with Garnett more than a decade ago, so perhaps he'll do something rash and stupid.  But if he's got half a brain, he'll see that making a bad deal to get something before you can get nothing at all is usually worse than nothing at all.  

by jae on Jul 6, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to clarify...
I think the chances of KG re-signing with MN are close to nil. But I am starting to think the chances of his staying with MN for one more year are better than the 10-25% I originally gave it. One MN paper (no link, sorry) seemed to think "all signs" pointed towards him staying. I still don't see why they wouldn't rather have a package of, for example, AB/Wright/Monta/Foyle/Cabbages than wait -- but ah well. Maybe we're better off.

Kobe to LA, KG to MN. How incredibly boring.

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 6, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kosta Perovic
The comment on Kosta bailing on his national team is interesting.  The only thing I can think of is that the European championships may be played during NBA training camps.   So his country is upset he may miss them.

It's just like the issues with Yao Ming, Wang Zhi Zhi and eventually Yi Jianlian.

The Chinese government wanted Yao and Co. to return and play in the Asian basketball championships that usually occur around late September and early October.  That was a cause of tension with Wang Zhi-Zhi when he chose not to return to practice with the chinese national team back in 2002.

This isn't too unusual.  Many countries worry about losing their "best players".  

by coach41 on Jul 5, 2007 11:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Many countries
gotta understand that professional basketball is a business. Their star players always dreamed of playing over here in the United States in order to play for American money. With a lot of success in players such as Yao Ming, Manu Ginobili, Dirk Nowitzki, Tony Parker, etc., other international stars wanna bank on being an NBA superstar making big bucks. There are probably more of those players making themselves look bad for their squads overseas due to a lot of NBA teams not giving those players much-deserved playing time. They gotta also look at it at a competitive standpoint. They're making a lotta money and have to produce. There have been countless examples of sports players earning huge contracts and playing either terribly or mediocre. Another benefit would be generating more revenue on an international media basis.

by Phil T28 on Jul 6, 2007 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

QUESTION
Would any of you trade Monta Ellis, Al Harrington, and Patrick O'Bryant for Andre Iguodala, Steven Hunter, and Joe Smith?
This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Jul 7, 2007 4:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kosta
Does anyone know whether Perovic would be allowed to play in the summer league if he came over in time?

by Palmerman on Jul 8, 2007 10:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kosta
Hate to be a dousch and answer my own question but it just said that he wont play in the summer league in the paper this morning...sorry

by Palmerman on Jul 8, 2007 7:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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