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Foyle Buyout

It's done - Adonal Foyle has been bought out.

He is likely to join the Boston Celtics now - terms have not been released. Team is suspected to save about $3mill, but I can't confirm that yet.

Obviously, this gives the team more wiggle room for extensions to Biedrins and possibly Monta (but I've heard that his deal won't be until next year).

What this possibly means:
Could Kosta be a contributor now?
Is the team more likely to move the TPE?
Is Biedrins asking for more than we thought?

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[Moderator's Note, by OptionZero:]

Pree has just put up his Hoops World article explaining the details of the buyout. As usual, pree drops the knowledge for us.

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[Moderator's Note 2, by OptionZero:]

Link posted by UKswarriorsfan to the story on Warriors Official Site. Exerpt:

"We will certainly miss Adonal’s presence, both on and off the court," said Mullin. "However, we think this move is in the best interest of both parties as we move forward. Adonal was a true professional in every sense of the word during his decade-long tenure with the Warriors. We wish him the best as he begins the next phase of his career."

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[Moderator's Note 3, by OptionZero:]

BREAKING NEWS: Foyle only got $13M total!

Thanks to JudBooshler for the link to Marcus Thompson's CC Times article:

With the $13 million payoff, Foyle's salary will account for $5.9 million on this season's salary cap, saving the Warriors $3 million based on Foyle's presettlement salary. During the 2008-09 season, when the Warriors would presumably have to start paying starting center Andris Biedrins and guard Monta Ellis big money, Foyle would count $6.4 million against the cap -- a savings of $3.4 million. He would get the remaining $700,000 or so in the third season.

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YAY REJOICE!

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by coma on Aug 13, 2007 2:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Let this be known
Aluminum Tin Foyle still owns the City! And he will put up 20/10 in Boston or wherever he goes. You just watch.

by Aluminum Foyle on Aug 13, 2007 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pree
Zorgon might hate you for life. As for me, sounds like good news.
COWABUNGA!!!

by Tim N Chris Burger on Aug 13, 2007 2:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
I'm surprised this happened. Thanks for the info pree.
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by olympicmike on Aug 13, 2007 2:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess...
he finally found some interest from another team which made it worth his while to accept the buyout. This also solves the problem with not having any open roster spots which has been discussed a lot lately.

The real question is who will carry injured players off the court when they get hurt now that he is gone. (does anyone esle remember him carry MP off the court... for some reason that made me laugh for like ten minutes)

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by olympicmike on Aug 13, 2007 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No more
"WE WANT FOYLE!" chants.... :(

by WarriorForLife on Aug 13, 2007 2:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this is great news
bon voyage foyle, have fun on the celtics.  Looks like the warriors are officially involved w/kg...only that warrior is Adonal Foyle.

by GameSix on Aug 13, 2007 2:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No offenese to Adonal
but finally! I wish him luck with the Celtics or whoever he ends up with though, he just wasn't right for this team.  Im gonna have to check back later to see what Zorgon says, lol.  Btw I like your wii believe webpin. The Wii is the best!

by drizztismoneybaby on Aug 13, 2007 2:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

oh man
Now we can have pob be our end of the bencher/portable stretcher for mp and others. I'm glad we got this done, I wonder if Foyle will actually get some minutes with the celtics. Other than his ambassador abilities, I think I'm going to miss his ability to potentially pad salaries for trades, but oh well.

by Bayareaballa86 on Aug 13, 2007 2:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Weird
I was telling OptionZero last night that Foyle could take a buyout. I didn't know anything was in the works, but I told OZ that Foyle would be open to taking a buyout because the team-option $10-million (third year) would be included in it (that's money Foyle wouldn't have gotten otherwise).

I'm writing up what this means ..

by pree on Aug 13, 2007 2:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope this means...
We can re-sign Powell because we're going to need some extra big bodies to bang on the low block against the power post players in the league.  Glad to see that Adonal has a chance to play some minutes now, I kind of wished that Nelson had given him more playing time, it would have helped with his trade value.
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!

by warriorsfiend on Aug 13, 2007 2:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Too late?
I'm pretty sure Powell signed with the Clips.
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by olympicmike on Aug 13, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow!!
never thought this would actually happen..moving to the eastern conference would be perfect for him. that would be crazy if he joins the celtics..talk about a come up.

by JudBooshlur on Aug 13, 2007 2:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch so we ended up paying him
for the third year which we would have saved 9 million minus the 1 million to buy him out that year, this seems like an awfully expensive way to clear a bench spot.  So I'm to understand that with this in place we payed him for all three years minus 3 million so 26 million!!!  Oh my friggin' lord.  So if we would have waited until the 3rd year we could have bought him out for a million and only paid him around 19.7 million and could have possibly traded him before the last year????  Why would anyone pay this kind of money to a player for nothing???  I'm confused please help explain to me why this was done Pree?
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!

by warriorsfiend on Aug 13, 2007 2:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Working on it my man
I'm on all three of my phones trying to figure out why this was done.

by pree on Aug 13, 2007 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly, why?
I'll eagerly await pree's update, but I will spend the interim scratching my head. If the rationale is to clear a roster spot, why not just buy-out Cabbages or trade him for a pick? This seems like a REALLY expensive way to clear a spot, especially when you consider how valuable the 'Donal's expiring contract would have been in a year.

I'm sure this will be in the update, but how does this work with the cap? Does it count against the cap all 3 years? just this one? not at all?

by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully it's because
The Warriors want to win now and the roster spot is just too valuable.

by BiedrinsORBust on Aug 13, 2007 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

who cares? it's not our money
cohan and mullie had to bite the bullet on the awful deal they made.  this allows us to truly move on from the early mullie era, when he weighed us down with ridiculous contracts with murphy, dunleavy, foyle and fisher.  we are so much better off now.

by OaktownWarrior on Aug 13, 2007 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

O wow
ure on top of ure stuff pree. thanks for the news. that means there won't be "foyls loyals" banner in the oracle.

by baller90210 on Aug 13, 2007 2:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Some clarification
Most "buyouts" pay roughly 80% of the gauranteed amount remaining on the contract.

Troy Hudson (3 years remaining), Steve Francis (2 years), and Webber (dunno) all probably got 80% of what they had left on their contract.

Foyle had about 8.9M guaranteed this year; 9.8 guarnateed next year. That totals approximately $19M.

IF That were all that his contract entailed, we would have simply been able to pay him 80% of 19M, about $15M. That would have counted as about $7M against this year's cap; $8M against next year's cap (approximate figures).

That would save us about $2M each year, and of course we'd be done with it by '09.

HOWEVER, Mullin, genius that he was, gave Foyle a team option at $10M in '09-10 with a $1M buyout if we declined it.

Under the terms of this buyout, as I understand from talking to pree, the 3rd year must be activated. So for the purposes of a buyout, his guaranteed amount is about $29M.

That's why we had to give him what is likely to be $24M (roughly 80% or so of the $29M).

Once that percentage is determined, the amount that it counts against the cap is proportional to the amount of the contract each year.

Since he is due $8.9M this year, 80% of that counts against this year's cap.

If he's due 9.8M next year, 80% counts against next year's cap.

In '09, it's $10M on the contract, so 80% counts against the '09-10 cap.

bear in mind 80% is a guess, the exact amount has yet to be released.

Pree's doing an article on the buyout; I'm planning a diary on the Warriors financial future a little later.

Stay tuned!

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 2:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

hrm
There's some confusion about the 3rd year. Since it had a built in buyout amount ($1M),...its more messy.

So what I posted might not be totally accurate until we know whats up.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terrible!
It counts against the cap even in the option year?! That means we will now be paying him for 3 more years INSTEAD OF 2 and we will now be paying him $24 mil instead of $19 mil and we will not be able to use him as an expiring contract in a year. Yeah, it clears a roster spot but Cabbages or POB are such better candidates to do that with.

Is there something I am missing? This seems like financial suicide.

by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops
sorry, posted before I saw your second comment. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but I really hope you're wrong, OZ.

by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

expiring contract
There's a danger to that.

If you trade Foyle's $9.8M expiring contract next year, you have to take back about $7.5 or $8M back, and presumably, we'd be trading for someone with multiple years left. Now, that player might be better than Foyle (likely), but we certainly wouldn't be saving money- we'd be be bringing in another long term contract.

Again, i hope to get something visual done in a diary, but for now...

-Foyle now-
'07-08: $8.9M
'08-09: $9.8M (expiring)
'09-10: pay him $1.5M buyout and he's gone
'10-11: nothing
'11-12: nothing
so on and so forth

-Foyle with a trade-
'07-08: $8.9M
'08-09: $7.5-$11M (new guy traded for Foyle's K)
'09-10: $$$ new guy's contract
'10-11: $$$ new guy's contract
'11-12: $$$ new guy's contract
so on and so forth

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The worst part of all
I just realized...any savings we got....we basically spent on Kosta Perovic.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch
That stings a bit

by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

true
True, we would absolutely have to take at least that much back but I guess I should have been more specific. He would be valuable if a rebuilding team was looking to dump a big salary/big talent player. I have no specific players in mind, just seems he could be a significant piece of a big trade (Ratliff in the KG trade). If he's off the books after 2 years, instead of counting against the cap in the option year also then it's cool. But, if he is on the books that year, I would much rather have traded him for a much more valuable player.

by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you...
...Mang!

by UweBlab on Aug 13, 2007 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not quite
Foyle's already got a contract. We're trying to get him to take less than what he's "owed" on paper to bounce.

Nellie's got a contract too- and he wants more than what he's "owed".

We're already "payiing nelson"- the question is whether we should pay him more, and if so, how much.

It's never as simple as "let's pay him".

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree
obviously there's more involved in the process than just throwing money at him.  

but what this foyle buy-out tells me is that cohan is willing to dig into his pockets and spend money now to resolve a problem - the problem being a wasted roster spot on an overpaid & unproductive player.  

this nellie hold-out is a cheaper problem...sounds like nellie just wants a couple mill extra for the next few years - far less expensive than dishing out $20+ to foyle.  nellie wants to be paid more, and deservedly so.  

by JudBooshlur on Aug 13, 2007 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HOORAY!!!!!!
It's Christmas in August!!!!

by Jeremy Belvins on Aug 13, 2007 3:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cohan reads the Merc site
There has been a debate going on the last few days on Adam's blog on the Merc's site about whether or not Cohan is cheap. Dude read the site.

by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 3:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think my jaw just hit the floor
this is crazy news i must say

by Anomaly on Aug 13, 2007 3:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

check the main story
pree's article is up with all the details

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 3:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm
If I am reading that right then it sounds like his contract will only count against the cap for two years (not three) and the 1mil third year buyout will be divided between the first two years, or does the extra mil to buy out the third year not count against the cap at all? I am still confused...
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by olympicmike on Aug 13, 2007 3:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

3rd year
does not count

so we are free of him in '09

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are u sure about that?
From Pree's article:
However, the third year team-option had a $1-million partial guarantee, so Foyle's guaranteed figure rests at $19,687,500 for the next three years, which includes his salary for the next two seasons and the partial guarantee figure.

Sounds like it will be divided over the next three years... No?

by Joe Frank on Aug 13, 2007 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait....
Does that mean it would be like $6 mil each year or would it be just that $1 mil year 3?

by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay, good stuff
All is well. Is it just me, or has Nellie completely taken over this franchise? He's qualified, don't get me wrong, it just seems like every unemotional, ultra-rational move we have made this summer, the J-rich trade, playing hardball with Barnes and MP, and now this, they all seem to have Nellie's signature all over them. I hope Mullin's learning. If Nellie would ahve been around a few years ago, no way Mullin doesn't use the one time exemption to waive Foyle's contract (that's right, remember, we could have just waived it, not bought it out).

by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Allan Houston Rule?
If you are refering to the Allan Houston Rule we still would have had to pay him his money, it just would not have counted against the Lux tax/Cap. This would have been a great move of course but IIRC some owners were not too high on the idea of paying a guy 8 mil/year to play for someone else for the vet min. I'm not sure if this was the case with us or not but it seemed that most teams who used it were in danger of paying Lux tax that year.
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by olympicmike on Aug 13, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clarification
The buyout would be frontloaded, last year will be very small .. but there will be something in that year.

Remember, the numeber the team takes on the cap is a percentage of what he was owed that year in correlation to the buyout figure.

Hope that clears things up.

by pree on Aug 13, 2007 4:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In the Foyle buy-out specualtion dairy
JAE speculated that the Warriors would front load the buy-out.  Maybe the entire buyout amount is around $16 million, with most of it being paid this year?  

I'm surprised that the Warriors aren't waiting on Foyle's contract as a potential trading chip, but if this gives them more salary room under the luxury for next season, it makes sense.  This is clearly something Mullin has been giving a lot of thought to, as it appears to be a priority to sign Biedrins (and maybe Ellis).

A downside is that a front loaded buy-out probably puts them against the luxury tax for THIS season.  If that's the case, they may have to waste their TPE, which would be a shame, since that was a big part of the Richardson trade.

I'm not sure that getting Foyle off the roster is much of a prirority in all of this.  After all, we're talking about the 15th roster spot.

by San Francisco Slim on Aug 13, 2007 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

front loading
Just a point of clarification:  when Foyle gets the money has nothing to do with when the Warriors take the cap/tax hit on it.  If they pay him everything now, it is still divided over the life of the contract for purposes of computing the cap payroll figures.  

The front loading option is simply a way to make less money more appealing to Adonal.  $16 million in his bank account now because it's in his bank account.  At a reasonable zero risk CD rate on that amount of money, he'll do better with that than the payout over three years at the $19.7 guaranteed.  If he's got a good financial person, it could be worth quite a bit more than that.

Adonal's not a fool.  My guess is that he doesn't have fools managing his money either.

by jae on Aug 13, 2007 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Front loading
Got it.  So, let's say the buy-out figure is $16 million.  We'll assume a good deal of it is front loaded, which is why Foyle agrees to a lower figure (plus he is allowing for $2.4 million which he could make with another team at the minimum).  If the percentages are the same (including the option buy-out?), the numbers would be $7.2 million in 07-08, $7.9 million in 08-09 and $.8 million for the buy-out.

Warriors have a couple of $million more to maneuver under the tax each season.  Not a lot, but something.

Under this scenario, they would actually have a better chance of using their TPE this season, than before the buy-out.

Sound right?

by San Francisco Slim on Aug 13, 2007 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

roster spots
I don't think the TPE exception is a part of it so much as freeing up room on the roster.  As it was, even making a trade would be difficult.  CBA rules dictate 15 contracts maximum, with a 16th allowable for an interim period in the case of specific deals (or injury hardship petition).  The Warriors couldn't sign Lasme, couldn't audition a backup point guard.  They couldn't add players at the minimum salary, let alone trying to trade picks for a guy making closer to $9million.  Multiple player deal comes down the line?  Better hope the cap numbers work, because you can't except that 17th or 18 contract, even in guys expected to be cut immediately in order to make the numbers work.  There are penalties for having too many bodies and if a guy isn't going to play, it's time to let him walk.

If the TPE comes into play, it's more likely during the season when a team looking to rebuild starts looking to unload.  That depends heavily on how the Warriors are doing at that point as well.

by jae on Aug 13, 2007 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and
if we use the TPE, it should be for an expiring contract- NOT a multiyear one (like gooden).

we're gonna need the space next year, every bit of it, for biedrins and ellis and any improvements we awant to make

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think
the Warriors still have a lot of salary and roster juggling, through trades and the like, in their future.  It wouldn't surprise me to see them take on a Gooden sized contract, which is not too onerous and only two years long, in order to achieve their goal of acquiring a PF.  The Foyle deal makes gives them more flexibility in order to use their TPE, if they can swing a deal.

by San Francisco Slim on Aug 14, 2007 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It makes you wonder
more and more about the Perovic deal.  It turns out that the $13 million buy out figure is a surprisingly good money saver for the Warriors, but Perovic not only took up not an extra couple of $million in salary, but an added roster space for a guy whom Nellie is unlikely to play.  I also feel the same way about Lasme (although HE would sign for the minimum).  The Warriors also appear to have the option of letting Jasikevicius go to a Euroleague team, in order to cut their roster.  It's likely they need another wing guy and/or back-up PG, than another unused big man.

by San Francisco Slim on Aug 14, 2007 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The TPE
I agree that a trading deadline use of it is very possible.  Not only is another team possibly looking to unload, but it costs the Warriors less, since they are paying for only a half a season's salary.  This way, they could possibly go all the way up to their $10 million TPE limit without going over the luxury tax.

But at the same time, this takes their Pietrus included payroll down to $61 million (I think), which now gives them an option to fit a TPE-traded Gooden or Wilcox under the luxury tax budget, if they so choose.  They may want to start the season with a new PF.

All in all the Foyle buy-out is a great salary saving device for the Warrios, and even though I think there were (and are) other ways of cutting their roster, it accomplishes that as well.

by San Francisco Slim on Aug 14, 2007 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On
NBA.com is this, dnt think its been posted yet, just a little more info on it
http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/Warriors_Request_Waivers_On_Adonal_Foyle.html

by UKgswfan on Aug 13, 2007 4:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

buyout
I can't imagine that they'd have bought him out for more than the $19.7mil that he was absolutely guaranteed.  That doesn't make any sort of financial sense as releasing him without the buyout, something that was always a possibility, would then have been cheaper.  The only possible advantage in that would be if they were certain to be over the tax next year, hoping to divide some of this into a 3rd year, but in that case, the savings would be very, very small (a little less than $2 million this year and next). Further, in the 3rd year, they'd be paying him more than if they let him walk, to the tune of about $7.5 million that counts towards the cap and tax.  

There's no sense in paying him more than what he's owed at absolute minimum.  It doesn't help the cap situation much short term and provides a huge problem long term.

Pree's guess of about $16 sounds more or less on target with what I figured would be an amount that made financial sense for Foyle if he gets the lump sum. My guess is that the financial equation makes sense for him at that point and since the Warriors weren't going to be able to use him this year, any savings at all is worth it since otherwise, he's blocking someone else from getting onto the roster.  

Whether or not the buyout uses the million figure in year 3 or the $10 million figure in year three determines how much of a savings will be realized in each year, but this doesn't factor much if at all into the price at which a buyout makes sense to both parties, a figure that's got to be lower than $19.7mil.

by jae on Aug 13, 2007 4:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No $10-million for year 3
Use the $1-million partial .. pretend like the $10-million doesn't exist.

by pree on Aug 13, 2007 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.
OK, that clarifies things quite a bit.  means that the savings this year and next are smaller, but in year three, it's smooth sailing.

by jae on Aug 13, 2007 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
Where is that young man? I'm starting to get concerned...

Sounds like a great move, for both parties. I'm hoping Foyle shows his true gentlemanliness buy giving us a couple mil off the total pricetag.

I'd also love to see him go to the Cs and get a ring. Can't really see him and Pollard co-existing, but I guess they could bring both into camp and see who's got more left.

Any more word on the identity of the new team, Pree? Seems like he wouldn't accept a buyout unless his agent had received at least some interest from another team.

by Sleepy Freud on Aug 13, 2007 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

MAGIC
I don't know if the MAGIC are interested in FOYLE, but he has expressed his interest in playing for the MAGIC.
ESPN
Associated Press:

The 32-year-old Foyle appeared to have interest in joining the Orlando Magic, which would be much closer to his homeland of tiny Canouan, in the cluster of Caribbean islands called St. Vincent and the Grenadines.

I know he's not the best player on the court, but he could probably teach HOWARD a few tricks, shoot or even vice versa, and then revive his career! =P

Here's a link to the rest of the article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2973336

"GO BIG or GO HOME!!!"

by scottiepimppen on Aug 13, 2007 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's also on SFGate.com
If Adonal gave us a good-guy discount, this could be HUGE!!!

by UweBlab on Aug 13, 2007 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pros and Cons
In terms of finance; we have saved ourselves a bit of money (if we don't have to pay more than $1 million for his third year in the buyout).
In terms of clearing a roster spot, it helps and it means we can sign Lasme or anyone else who impresses at training camp.

On the downside; we will have to rely on young players Kosta Perovic and POB as backup centers which won't be a bad thing if they play well but if they struggle, we will have a bit of a problem. Foyle was a good, experienced option to have off the bench and he was popular in the dressing room and amongst other players and coaching staff.

Good Luck Adonal, I hope you do well in Boston.

by zaki on Aug 13, 2007 4:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

all is not done...this is just start of
2 more talked about deals inside.  Again a 6 -> 8 man rotation is over!  Fitness for purpose!

by streetballer on Aug 13, 2007 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Downside
I think we will only "depend" on Kosta and POB as much as we did Foyle last year which was... not at all. I suspect we will still be seeing a lot of Al at center and probably some Croshere and Wright as well. I do not expect to see POB logging any meaningful minutes and as far as Kosta goes... who knows, nobody has seen much of him and by all acounts we did not have much reason to sign him but maybe Mullin knows something we don't.
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by olympicmike on Aug 13, 2007 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i feel like
a weight has been lifted off of my chest!!!  thanks pree....  u made my day.
gdubb

by gogomaplata on Aug 13, 2007 4:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
i didnt think i would ever see this day arrive. This is truly a great moment for the GSW.

by ilubthedubs on Aug 13, 2007 5:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

so...
should we do something special when Foyle visits? No JRich treatment? =)

by warriorgirl on Aug 13, 2007 6:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

good news
thanks pree

by maybenextyear on Aug 13, 2007 6:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

one of the best days of my life
and consequently one of the worst days for someone else.  

by david240z on Aug 13, 2007 6:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This worked out for both parties!
I love Adonal as a person and wish him best of luck to wherever he lands. If he lands in Boston, all the best wishes to him as he will get a shot to be a role player and have a chance to win a ring. Thanks for finally buying out the contract so the W's got some more cap space!!

by ballin on Aug 13, 2007 7:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Best wishes
Foyle, good citizen just a bad fit here. All I wanna know is what next?? Maybe the young bucks will have more time to bang around in the offseason in prep for a bigger role come crunch time, let's just hope at least one of them is up to it. What do you think Pietrus' future is??
...never a fairweather fan...

by BayBoyNLA on Aug 13, 2007 7:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My life is but an empty shell....
Hey Adonal,

It is treuly sad news for me that you have been bought out by the Golden State Warriors. You have always been my favourite player, and will continue to be. I loved cheering for you and the team here in OKC, and even went down to Dallas to show my appreciation.

The best moment of all was when I showed you I had your jersey, and you turned around and gave me an approving point. It's a moment I'll appreciate throughout my whole life.

There are so many things I'd like to say, but I'll wrap it up here, as you are a busy man. Whether you go to Orlando or Boston, I'll cheer you on till the end of your playing days. Hey, maybe even in future elections...but lets not get too carried away.

I appreciate all you stand for in Democracy Matters and on the court. I'll miss you, man!

- One of your biggest fans-
Zeb

It's not much, but I'm at a loss for words right now. Not to mention I'm on a crappy hotel modem. What a vacation.....

Tony aka Drawlz600 is AWESOME!!!!

by Zorgon on Aug 13, 2007 9:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Foyle is your favorite player?
What did he do to earn that title?  He's never done anything on the court that impressed me.

by SeasonTicketHolder on Aug 14, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

never?
I can't see why he's Zorgon's fav player, but come on never done anything to impresses you. Last season he averaged a block every ten minutes he played. Plus not one of his 1,140 career blocks impressed you. I can remember so many for sure dunks he blocked. He was even that good of a player, but when it comes to blocking the dude is a stud.

by Psion on Aug 15, 2007 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow
that is realy pathetic that you dont know zorgons fav player is Foyle.

by duggie25 on Aug 17, 2007 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Finnally
Yes, I been waiting for this day. Oh wait we still have to pay him. Oh well, at least we don't pay after 2 yr. So it all good. lol

by warriorfan4life on Aug 13, 2007 9:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

they bought him out for 13 mil
this move keeps getting better...i can't wait to see what they do next..

With the $13 million payoff, Foyle's salary will account for $5.9 million on this season's salary cap, saving the Warriors $3 million based on Foyle's presettlement salary. During the 2008-09 season, when the Warriors would presumably have to start paying starting center Andris Biedrins and guard Monta Ellis big money, Foyle would count $6.4 million against the cap -- a savings of $3.4 million. He would get the remaining $700,000 or so in the third season.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/entertainment/ci_6614614?nclick_check=1

by JudBooshlur on Aug 13, 2007 11:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Whoa
If the CC times has that $13mil figure right, you need to put Mullin on that webpin b/c Mullin is DOIN THANGS!! Godamn, $13 mil- is that even allowed under the CBA? Thank you, Adonal, thank you. He obviously gave us a HUGE discount.

by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HOLY CRAP!
THAT IS AWESOME!
I'm moving that to the main diary because it is worth noting and celebrating.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Follow-up:
By the way, $13M of the $19.7M or so he was guaranteed equals about 66%.

Webber, Francis, Hudson...they all reportedly got 80-90% of their guaranteed salary.

This is a rare, rare instance where a player gave up money he didn't have to, just to help his old team (and himself along the way by going to another team, but still...).

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

<3 <3 <3
Wow, This makes me love Foyle even more than I did before. There's no reason for him to accept such a low figure, other than that he's a good guy who thinks of larger concerns than lining his pockets -- e.g. getting meaningful playing time, not trying to stick it to the team who nurtured him, etc.

So what do we do with this unexpected windfall? With over $3M cleared and the TPE to play with, we suddenly have some real flexibility. Do we really just sit on it till next year and use it to extend Monta and Biedrins? Or is this a sign one of the remaining big names rumored to be on the outs -- JO, Artest, AK-47, Kobe -- could be on their way here? AK-47 in particular seems like a better possibility than before: basically the savings we've reaped by playing hardball with Barnes and Foyle equal the salary difference between Harrington ($8M) and Kirilenko ($13M). Then again, it's hard to imagine the Jazz would deal their disgruntled star to one of their closest competitors ...

Anyone have any other bright ideas?

by Sleepy Freud on Aug 14, 2007 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Foyle is a great guy
No doubt.  And currently, he is my hero.  We were calculating that the buy-out would have been about $16 million.  I calculate that by agreeing to the $13 million figure, he actually cost himself a couple of $million, after taxes.  Amazing.

by San Francisco Slim on Aug 14, 2007 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What they will do with the extra $3 million
I see the Warriors having an easier time using the TPE now without having to worry about necessarily going over the luxury tax.

I'm with you, I see more deals in the future.  And the extra $3million increases their options.

by San Francisco Slim on Aug 14, 2007 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
I can't believe someone would take a 34% paycut just to help his old employer out.

by racsan on Aug 14, 2007 12:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow
I projected $16 .. but $13 means the Warriors have "saved" a ton .. I think you'll see a S&T with MP2 now.

by pree on Aug 14, 2007 2:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow! 13m
That just shows what a great person Adonal is, agreeing to that and it helps us out a lot for cap space. I wish him all the best at Boston, Orlando or wherever he goes (even if it is in the Western Conference); unlike almost everyone in the NBA, he was prepared to accept less money in order to help his team out and that is a great gesture.
This means we have more Cap space to save for next year for Ellis and Biedrins' contract extensions or we have more to spend now on getting a starting SF or a back-up PG. I am not keen on getting Jason Williams because I don't think it's worth taking on his salary just to have him as a back-up. I would rather go for Jarrett Jack from Portland through a trade, maybe giving up Wright. Then I would try and get AK47 from Utah giving up Harrington, POB, Jasikevicius and a couple of picks - if we had to, we could give up more. These trades aren't likely to happen but I think they would help us considerably and Utah and Portland would hopefully agree to them.

by zaki on Aug 14, 2007 8:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Helping the team?
We don't know that "helping the team" had anything to do with it.   What it did was free him up to try to have a more rewarding job rather than have to show up for practice for a team that won't ever use you and may not even keep you on their active roster.  

By all accounts Adonal is a great guy, but let's not all of a sudden conclude that there was anything altruistic towards helping out the Warriors.  It helped the team most likely, but I doubt very much that entered into Adonal's equation.

by jae on Aug 14, 2007 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,
it does appear that after interest, taxes, agent's fees,etc.. that he is going take home about $2 millin less than he would have if he had kept his Warrior's contract.  Whether he did it for his own pride/self worth or for helping out the Warrirors, it's still an impressive thing.

by San Francisco Slim on Aug 14, 2007 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just mean
He agreed to a 66% buyout. Most buyouts are normally 80/90%; Foyle's was 66% - considerably less - That helps the team and he agreed to it despite knowing this.

by zaki on Aug 14, 2007 10:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

wow, what a great move!
games to attend next year:

charlotte: 48minute standing ovation
boston: "we want foyle"

by jdmsir20 on Aug 14, 2007 5:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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