Foyle Buyout
It's done - Adonal Foyle has been bought out.
He is likely to join the Boston Celtics now - terms have not been released. Team is suspected to save about $3mill, but I can't confirm that yet.
Obviously, this gives the team more wiggle room for extensions to Biedrins and possibly Monta (but I've heard that his deal won't be until next year).
What this possibly means:
Could Kosta be a contributor now?
Is the team more likely to move the TPE?
Is Biedrins asking for more than we thought?
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[Moderator's Note, by OptionZero:]
Pree has just put up his Hoops World article explaining the details of the buyout. As usual, pree drops the knowledge for us.
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[Moderator's Note 2, by OptionZero:]
Link posted by UKswarriorsfan to the story on Warriors Official Site. Exerpt:
"We will certainly miss Adonal’s presence, both on and off the court," said Mullin. "However, we think this move is in the best interest of both parties as we move forward. Adonal was a true professional in every sense of the word during his decade-long tenure with the Warriors. We wish him the best as he begins the next phase of his career."=============================================
[Moderator's Note 3, by OptionZero:]
BREAKING NEWS: Foyle only got $13M total!
Thanks to JudBooshler for the link to Marcus Thompson's CC Times article:
With the $13 million payoff, Foyle's salary will account for $5.9 million on this season's salary cap, saving the Warriors $3 million based on Foyle's presettlement salary. During the 2008-09 season, when the Warriors would presumably have to start paying starting center Andris Biedrins and guard Monta Ellis big money, Foyle would count $6.4 million against the cap -- a savings of $3.4 million. He would get the remaining $700,000 or so in the third season.NOTE: Viewing the CC Times article requires free registration.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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werddd

http://westcoastbiased.blogspot.com
by coma on Aug 13, 2007 2:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let this be known
by Aluminum Foyle on Aug 13, 2007 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pree
COWABUNGA!!!
by Tim N Chris Burger on Aug 13, 2007 2:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
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by olympicmike on Aug 13, 2007 2:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess...
The real question is who will carry injured players off the court when they get hurt now that he is gone. (does anyone esle remember him carry MP off the court... for some reason that made me laugh for like ten minutes)
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by olympicmike on Aug 13, 2007 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No more
by WarriorForLife on Aug 13, 2007 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is great news
by GameSix on Aug 13, 2007 2:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No offenese to Adonal
by drizztismoneybaby on Aug 13, 2007 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh man
by Bayareaballa86 on Aug 13, 2007 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Weird
I'm writing up what this means ..
by pree on Aug 13, 2007 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope this means...
by warriorsfiend on Aug 13, 2007 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Too late?
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by olympicmike on Aug 13, 2007 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow!!
by JudBooshlur on Aug 13, 2007 2:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ouch so we ended up paying him
by warriorsfiend on Aug 13, 2007 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Working on it my man
by pree on Aug 13, 2007 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly, why?
I'm sure this will be in the update, but how does this work with the cap? Does it count against the cap all 3 years? just this one? not at all?
by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully it's because
by BiedrinsORBust on Aug 13, 2007 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who cares? it's not our money
by OaktownWarrior on Aug 13, 2007 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
O wow
by baller90210 on Aug 13, 2007 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Some clarification
Troy Hudson (3 years remaining), Steve Francis (2 years), and Webber (dunno) all probably got 80% of what they had left on their contract.
Foyle had about 8.9M guaranteed this year; 9.8 guarnateed next year. That totals approximately $19M.
IF That were all that his contract entailed, we would have simply been able to pay him 80% of 19M, about $15M. That would have counted as about $7M against this year's cap; $8M against next year's cap (approximate figures).
That would save us about $2M each year, and of course we'd be done with it by '09.
HOWEVER, Mullin, genius that he was, gave Foyle a team option at $10M in '09-10 with a $1M buyout if we declined it.
Under the terms of this buyout, as I understand from talking to pree, the 3rd year must be activated. So for the purposes of a buyout, his guaranteed amount is about $29M.
That's why we had to give him what is likely to be $24M (roughly 80% or so of the $29M).
Once that percentage is determined, the amount that it counts against the cap is proportional to the amount of the contract each year.
Since he is due $8.9M this year, 80% of that counts against this year's cap.
If he's due 9.8M next year, 80% counts against next year's cap.
In '09, it's $10M on the contract, so 80% counts against the '09-10 cap.
bear in mind 80% is a guess, the exact amount has yet to be released.
Pree's doing an article on the buyout; I'm planning a diary on the Warriors financial future a little later.
Stay tuned!
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 2:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hrm
So what I posted might not be totally accurate until we know whats up.
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terrible!
Is there something I am missing? This seems like financial suicide.
by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
expiring contract
If you trade Foyle's $9.8M expiring contract next year, you have to take back about $7.5 or $8M back, and presumably, we'd be trading for someone with multiple years left. Now, that player might be better than Foyle (likely), but we certainly wouldn't be saving money- we'd be be bringing in another long term contract.
Again, i hope to get something visual done in a diary, but for now...
-Foyle now-
'07-08: $8.9M
'08-09: $9.8M (expiring)
'09-10: pay him $1.5M buyout and he's gone
'10-11: nothing
'11-12: nothing
so on and so forth
-Foyle with a trade-
'07-08: $8.9M
'08-09: $7.5-$11M (new guy traded for Foyle's K)
'09-10: $$$ new guy's contract
'10-11: $$$ new guy's contract
'11-12: $$$ new guy's contract
so on and so forth
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worst part of all
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we can pay foyle
by JudBooshlur on Aug 13, 2007 3:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not quite
Nellie's got a contract too- and he wants more than what he's "owed".
We're already "payiing nelson"- the question is whether we should pay him more, and if so, how much.
It's never as simple as "let's pay him".
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
but what this foyle buy-out tells me is that cohan is willing to dig into his pockets and spend money now to resolve a problem - the problem being a wasted roster spot on an overpaid & unproductive player.
this nellie hold-out is a cheaper problem...sounds like nellie just wants a couple mill extra for the next few years - far less expensive than dishing out $20+ to foyle. nellie wants to be paid more, and deservedly so.
by JudBooshlur on Aug 13, 2007 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOORAY!!!!!!
by Jeremy Belvins on Aug 13, 2007 3:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cohan reads the Merc site
by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 3:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think my jaw just hit the floor
by Anomaly on Aug 13, 2007 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
check the main story
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 3:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
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by olympicmike on Aug 13, 2007 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
3rd year
so we are free of him in '09
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are u sure about that?
Sounds like it will be divided over the next three years... No?
by Joe Frank on Aug 13, 2007 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay, good stuff
by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allan Houston Rule?
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by olympicmike on Aug 13, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
Remember, the numeber the team takes on the cap is a percentage of what he was owed that year in correlation to the buyout figure.
Hope that clears things up.
by pree on Aug 13, 2007 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In the Foyle buy-out specualtion dairy
I'm surprised that the Warriors aren't waiting on Foyle's contract as a potential trading chip, but if this gives them more salary room under the luxury for next season, it makes sense. This is clearly something Mullin has been giving a lot of thought to, as it appears to be a priority to sign Biedrins (and maybe Ellis).
A downside is that a front loaded buy-out probably puts them against the luxury tax for THIS season. If that's the case, they may have to waste their TPE, which would be a shame, since that was a big part of the Richardson trade.
I'm not sure that getting Foyle off the roster is much of a prirority in all of this. After all, we're talking about the 15th roster spot.
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 13, 2007 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
front loading
The front loading option is simply a way to make less money more appealing to Adonal. $16 million in his bank account now because it's in his bank account. At a reasonable zero risk CD rate on that amount of money, he'll do better with that than the payout over three years at the $19.7 guaranteed. If he's got a good financial person, it could be worth quite a bit more than that.
Adonal's not a fool. My guess is that he doesn't have fools managing his money either.
by jae on Aug 13, 2007 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Front loading
Warriors have a couple of $million more to maneuver under the tax each season. Not a lot, but something.
Under this scenario, they would actually have a better chance of using their TPE this season, than before the buy-out.
Sound right?
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 13, 2007 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
roster spots
If the TPE comes into play, it's more likely during the season when a team looking to rebuild starts looking to unload. That depends heavily on how the Warriors are doing at that point as well.
by jae on Aug 13, 2007 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
we're gonna need the space next year, every bit of it, for biedrins and ellis and any improvements we awant to make
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 14, 2007 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes you wonder
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 14, 2007 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The TPE
But at the same time, this takes their Pietrus included payroll down to $61 million (I think), which now gives them an option to fit a TPE-traded Gooden or Wilcox under the luxury tax budget, if they so choose. They may want to start the season with a new PF.
All in all the Foyle buy-out is a great salary saving device for the Warrios, and even though I think there were (and are) other ways of cutting their roster, it accomplishes that as well.
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 14, 2007 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On
http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/Warriors_Request_Waivers_On_Adonal_Foyle.html
by UKgswfan on Aug 13, 2007 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
buyout
There's no sense in paying him more than what he's owed at absolute minimum. It doesn't help the cap situation much short term and provides a huge problem long term.
Pree's guess of about $16 sounds more or less on target with what I figured would be an amount that made financial sense for Foyle if he gets the lump sum. My guess is that the financial equation makes sense for him at that point and since the Warriors weren't going to be able to use him this year, any savings at all is worth it since otherwise, he's blocking someone else from getting onto the roster.
Whether or not the buyout uses the million figure in year 3 or the $10 million figure in year three determines how much of a savings will be realized in each year, but this doesn't factor much if at all into the price at which a buyout makes sense to both parties, a figure that's got to be lower than $19.7mil.
by jae on Aug 13, 2007 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No $10-million for year 3
by pree on Aug 13, 2007 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Sounds like a great move, for both parties. I'm hoping Foyle shows his true gentlemanliness buy giving us a couple mil off the total pricetag.
I'd also love to see him go to the Cs and get a ring. Can't really see him and Pollard co-existing, but I guess they could bring both into camp and see who's got more left.
Any more word on the identity of the new team, Pree? Seems like he wouldn't accept a buyout unless his agent had received at least some interest from another team.
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 13, 2007 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAGIC
Associated Press:
The 32-year-old Foyle appeared to have interest in joining the Orlando Magic, which would be much closer to his homeland of tiny Canouan, in the cluster of Caribbean islands called St. Vincent and the Grenadines.
I know he's not the best player on the court, but he could probably teach HOWARD a few tricks, shoot or even vice versa, and then revive his career! =P
Here's a link to the rest of the article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2973336
by scottiepimppen on Aug 13, 2007 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's also on SFGate.com
by UweBlab on Aug 13, 2007 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pros and Cons
In terms of clearing a roster spot, it helps and it means we can sign Lasme or anyone else who impresses at training camp.
On the downside; we will have to rely on young players Kosta Perovic and POB as backup centers which won't be a bad thing if they play well but if they struggle, we will have a bit of a problem. Foyle was a good, experienced option to have off the bench and he was popular in the dressing room and amongst other players and coaching staff.
Good Luck Adonal, I hope you do well in Boston.
by zaki on Aug 13, 2007 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
all is not done...this is just start of
by streetballer on Aug 13, 2007 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Downside
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by olympicmike on Aug 13, 2007 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel like
by gogomaplata on Aug 13, 2007 4:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
by ilubthedubs on Aug 13, 2007 5:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so...
by warriorgirl on Aug 13, 2007 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
one of the best days of my life
by david240z on Aug 13, 2007 6:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This worked out for both parties!
by ballin on Aug 13, 2007 7:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Best wishes
...never a fairweather fan...
by BayBoyNLA on Aug 13, 2007 7:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My life is but an empty shell....
It is treuly sad news for me that you have been bought out by the Golden State Warriors. You have always been my favourite player, and will continue to be. I loved cheering for you and the team here in OKC, and even went down to Dallas to show my appreciation.
The best moment of all was when I showed you I had your jersey, and you turned around and gave me an approving point. It's a moment I'll appreciate throughout my whole life.
There are so many things I'd like to say, but I'll wrap it up here, as you are a busy man. Whether you go to Orlando or Boston, I'll cheer you on till the end of your playing days. Hey, maybe even in future elections...but lets not get too carried away.
I appreciate all you stand for in Democracy Matters and on the court. I'll miss you, man!
- One of your biggest fans-
Zeb
It's not much, but I'm at a loss for words right now. Not to mention I'm on a crappy hotel modem. What a vacation.....
Tony aka Drawlz600 is AWESOME!!!!
by Zorgon on Aug 13, 2007 9:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Foyle is your favorite player?
by SeasonTicketHolder on Aug 14, 2007 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
never?
by Psion on Aug 15, 2007 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finnally
by warriorfan4life on Aug 13, 2007 9:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
they bought him out for 13 mil
With the $13 million payoff, Foyle's salary will account for $5.9 million on this season's salary cap, saving the Warriors $3 million based on Foyle's presettlement salary. During the 2008-09 season, when the Warriors would presumably have to start paying starting center Andris Biedrins and guard Monta Ellis big money, Foyle would count $6.4 million against the cap -- a savings of $3.4 million. He would get the remaining $700,000 or so in the third season.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/entertainment/ci_6614614?nclick_check=1
by JudBooshlur on Aug 13, 2007 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
by Lifelong on Aug 13, 2007 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOLY CRAP!
I'm moving that to the main diary because it is worth noting and celebrating.
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Follow-up:
Webber, Francis, Hudson...they all reportedly got 80-90% of their guaranteed salary.
This is a rare, rare instance where a player gave up money he didn't have to, just to help his old team (and himself along the way by going to another team, but still...).
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero on Aug 13, 2007 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
<3 <3 <3
So what do we do with this unexpected windfall? With over $3M cleared and the TPE to play with, we suddenly have some real flexibility. Do we really just sit on it till next year and use it to extend Monta and Biedrins? Or is this a sign one of the remaining big names rumored to be on the outs -- JO, Artest, AK-47, Kobe -- could be on their way here? AK-47 in particular seems like a better possibility than before: basically the savings we've reaped by playing hardball with Barnes and Foyle equal the salary difference between Harrington ($8M) and Kirilenko ($13M). Then again, it's hard to imagine the Jazz would deal their disgruntled star to one of their closest competitors ...
Anyone have any other bright ideas?
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 14, 2007 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foyle is a great guy
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 14, 2007 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What they will do with the extra $3 million
I'm with you, I see more deals in the future. And the extra $3million increases their options.
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 14, 2007 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by racsan on Aug 14, 2007 12:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
if he signs with a nother team...
by Jeremy Belvins on Aug 14, 2007 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by pree on Aug 14, 2007 2:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow! 13m
This means we have more Cap space to save for next year for Ellis and Biedrins' contract extensions or we have more to spend now on getting a starting SF or a back-up PG. I am not keen on getting Jason Williams because I don't think it's worth taking on his salary just to have him as a back-up. I would rather go for Jarrett Jack from Portland through a trade, maybe giving up Wright. Then I would try and get AK47 from Utah giving up Harrington, POB, Jasikevicius and a couple of picks - if we had to, we could give up more. These trades aren't likely to happen but I think they would help us considerably and Utah and Portland would hopefully agree to them.
by zaki on Aug 14, 2007 8:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Helping the team?
By all accounts Adonal is a great guy, but let's not all of a sudden conclude that there was anything altruistic towards helping out the Warriors. It helped the team most likely, but I doubt very much that entered into Adonal's equation.
by jae on Aug 14, 2007 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 14, 2007 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just mean
by zaki on Aug 14, 2007 10:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, what a great move!
charlotte: 48minute standing ovation
boston: "we want foyle"
by jdmsir20 on Aug 14, 2007 5:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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