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Adonal Foyle: The Life, The Legacy, and the Future of Zorgon

Hey guys,

I'm sitting in a hotel right now with an extremely slow computer that won't let me open more than three windows, a very low chair, and a very high monitor (I must crane my neck). So, in other words, excuse the sloppiness.

I can't begin of what to think or say....Ever since I picked up that first copy of NBA Live '98, Adonal has been there. I watch a Warriors game, whether on the court or the bench, Adonal is there. No matter how good or bad our record gets, Adonal is there. No matter how heavily or lightly a new coach plays him, he's there.

And now....he's not.

The one constant throughout the whole time I've watched the Warriors...gone.

Gone.

I understand some of you older guys will come up and say, "I've been through three generations of players, stop crying." But the first time....it's always the hardest.

I mean, I know Adonal will get to play on the Celtics or Magic....But it's not the same. It's like seeing Patrick Ewing on the Sonics or Michael Jordan on the Wizards.

I really do hope he can win a championship, and demonstate his new 12 foot shot next to KG. I'd really like that.

As for my future as a Warriors fan...I don't know. It's hard. There's a huge part of me that just want's to say, "Screw the Warriors, go pick up a Celtics shirt and forget it all happened."

But no. I know it's not right to follow a player around and ride the Celtics to the championship. It's just wrong.

So, I'm going to be a Warriors fan. Will I start enjoying Nellie-ball? No. Will Baron Davis become my new god? No. But I will continue to cheer the Warriors on, even if it takes 50 years for me to really and truely like them again.

So, Zorgon? Who's your new big obsession?

Adonal Foyle will always be #1 to me. Whenever we play the Celtics, I'll cheer for him first and foremost, the Warriors second. Now, I want the Warriors to win, but I want Adonal to score 50 at the same time. :)

As for my new favourite Warriors player?

Probobly Kelenna Azubuike. I saw his debut against NOK and he was simply fantastic, especially for the first time playing in the NBA. I've been hooked ever since.

Will Kelenna become a new Foyle-like obsession?

No. Foyle is always #1. More or less, you'll see me become a regular (if a bit kooky, and hating of Don Nelson) GSoM member.

Your take on the Warriors' and Adonals' future?

I think the Warriors arebasically a steady boat, waiting for development this season. We could get lucky, or we could go right back to 30 some wins. But, rest assured, I'll be there all the way.

Adonal probobly has 267 years left, at least in the NBA. He will be MVP for 13 seasons straight (interrupted once by a zombie takeover) and average 77 points, 45 rebounds, 12 assists, 92 blocks, and 10 steals per game.

So why the Foyle love?

Well, its because he plays like me on the court, and I am a huge fan of his values off of the court. On the court, I fumble the ball all the time, and my only real value is post defense, rebounding, and hustle. Same for Adonal. As for off the court, Democracy Matters works to have clean elections, and get money out of politics, so it is easier for lesser known or poorer candidates to run. Its not a soup kitchen, but I am sure as hell for it.

I will close this long, sloppy rant with my thoughts on the buyout itself.

"Godd** it! F*! S*! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! C*! G*J! AAAAARGH! SH*****!!! ********************************** ********************************

Censored

********************************** **********************************CRAP !"

Adonal Foyle will always live on in our hearts....

But in the eyes of Warriorsnation, he is now but an empty shell in the sands of time....

Star-divide

PS: In my poll, please value hs basketball playing abilities and his person. NOT his contract.

Poll
Adonal: Sorely Missed?
Yes
94 votes
No
86 votes

180 votes | Poll has closed

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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My Letter to Adonal
Hey Adonal,

It is treuly sad news for me that you have been bought out by the Golden State Warriors. You have always been my favourite player, and will continue to be. I loved cheering for you and the team here in OKC, and even went down to Dallas to show my appreciation.

The best moment of all was when I showed you I had your jersey, and you turned around and gave me an approving point. It's a moment I'll appreciate throughout my whole life.

There are so many things I'd like to say, but I'll wrap it up here, as you are a busy man. Whether you go to Orlando or Boston, I'll cheer you on till the end of your playing days. Hey, maybe even in future elections...but lets not get too carried away.

I appreciate all you stand for in Democracy Matters and on the court. I'll miss you, man!

- One of your biggest fans-
Zeb

I won't be back for a while, so don't freak out if I don't respond to your comment.

Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 13, 2007 9:40 PM PDT   0 recs

Wow.
Are you serious?

by turbulence24 on Aug 13, 2007 9:41 PM PDT   0 recs

N00b
Heard about the new Warrior shoes from Addidas?

JK

If you didn't know it, I'm the #1 Adonal Fan on this site. So....yeah.

Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 13, 2007 9:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Or
anywhere, I might add.
Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 13, 2007 9:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well
Other than that "Aluminum Foyle" poster. But then, I always suspected he was an alter-ego for you. ;-)

Very nice diary, by the way. You need to stick around here if only to continue to improve your promising writing skillz. With Foyle out of the picture, your thoughts and observations are almost certain to become more "reality-based"...

by Sleepy Freud on Aug 14, 2007 1:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That is true
My obervations will probobly become slightly more "realistic".

Yeah, of course I'll stick around. Thanks.

Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey!
I thought I was the #1 Adonal "Aluminum Tin" Foyle fan. whats up with that?

by Aluminum Foyle on Aug 14, 2007 5:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well
looks like you don't look around enough.
Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 15, 2007 10:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

brilliant.
simple, and from the heart. i wish you the best in your efforts to rediscover your passion for the warriors. as you mentioned above, we can all take solace in the fact that adonal foyle will be around for generations of NBA fans to enjoy.
Go Tigers! Back to back to back Big West champions! ...and Warriors

by pacifictigerpepband on Aug 13, 2007 9:49 PM PDT   0 recs

Thanks
and yes, I am very glad that my great great great great grandchildren will be able to cheer him on.
Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Zo, you are a real fan
I have to admire your post--wearing your heart on your sleeve--well, that is showing a lot of guts and vulnerability.  What is really sad to me is Foyle will mostly be remembered as one of the really stupid early contract extension moves Mullins made as a new and inexperienced VP of Operations. His contract was an albatross around the organizations neck, not to mention Nellie really forcing the issue by essentially banning Foyle from any playing time or role.

I have a signed jersey and will mostly remember Foyle being the guy who really interacted with the crowd in the shootaround, being an ambassador of good will and high standards and values, and using his resources to make the world a better place for many people.

As a fan who wants the best for the team, I am glad he is leaving for all the reasons we already have covered ad infinitum.  As a fan of Foyle's humanity, I am glad he's leaving so he can find a better situation for himself.  To me it is win-win and I actually applaud the Warrior management for having the will to actually accomplish this timely seperation.

You call me ancient, I say "oldguysrule"

by commish on Aug 13, 2007 9:58 PM PDT   0 recs

I agree
it really was the best thing....I just wish it could've worked out. Thanks.
Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

wtf u gotta be kidding rite
1st j rich now adonal...
its all backwords.... i wanted 2 see adonal go 1st .. than maybe J rich.. im glad adonal left.. he didnt do anyhting but take up our cash.. we coulda had 2 haringotns on our team..
but anyway.. i hope foyle does go 2 boston.. and i hope he does go 2 the finls.. but i dont want the celtics 2 win. i want the warriors 2
hahaha.. i hope we do summthin.. get like3 stars.. plus keep our yungsters

by goldenstatewarrior4lyfe on Aug 13, 2007 9:58 PM PDT   0 recs

Adonal
was a great person. Get that outta my face. At least you hope he can win in Boston....
Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

All good Zorgon...
I thought you were gonna blast him, but your unbiased nature showed up
at least you hope he can win in boston
otherwise you would have overlooked that comment!...seriously Zorgon, your an asset to this site...for what it's worth I hope Adonal and JRich could come back and finish thier careers here but that's just wishful thinking...the reality of it all is that we are fans, and as fans we are allowed to dream...

by RubberDubDubs on Aug 15, 2007 2:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Foyle
"I mean, I know Adonal will get to play on the Celtics or Magic....But it's not the same. It's like seeing Patrick Ewing on the Sonics or Michael Jordan on the Wizards."

Thats an insult to Jordan & Ewing.  You can't compare the greatest player of all time and one of the top 50 players of all time to Foyle.  

by swisher on Aug 13, 2007 10:05 PM PDT   0 recs

Ummm
I think Zorgon understands the distinction.

And I think Jordan and Ewing will survive the insult.

by Sleepy Freud on Aug 14, 2007 1:20 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Zo meant
that those were two players that were tightly associated with their teams. When you think Ewing you think Knicks. When you think Jordan you think Bulls. Similarly, when you think Foyle you think Warriors.

by xacto on Aug 14, 2007 10:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Foyle
When I think of the Warriors, I think of Baron Davis becuase the Warriors go as far as BD can take them.  Foyle had absolutely no impact on the Warriors success last year.

I understand being faithful to a player.  It was difficult to see the A's part ways with Giambi, Hudson, Mulder, and Zito.  All have done great things for the Bay Area, and more importantly had an impact on the team's success.

I understand appreciating a guy for his community work, but lets be honest, Foyle epitomized what was wrong with the Warriors for so many years.  Bad draft picks & money spent foolishly.  Well maybe in that regard, xacto is correct.  When I think of all the losing seasons, I do think of Foyle.  When I think of the playoff Warriors, I think of BD, Stephen, Monta, Al, Biedrens...Its no coincidence, Warriors start winning with Foyle sitting on the bench (usually yawning or resting his head in his hands).

by swisher on Aug 14, 2007 8:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You'll
never understand....
Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 15, 2007 11:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

First of all
thats what you took from my diary? Pssshhh....

Second of all, Adonal IS the greatest player of all time.

(But, as Sleepy says, I do understand the distinction, dude. And I really meant what xacto was saying. So there.)

Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

so zorgon
who are you going to root for now? zarunas, pob? some guy off the bench. i feel sorry for you when i got that warrior email saying they put him on waivers first thing that went to my mind was dam poor zorgon.

by 24k state fan since 87 on Aug 13, 2007 10:11 PM PDT   0 recs

If you read the diary
it's Kelenna Azubuike.
Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hmm
but kelenna could turn into a monster player. the beuty of adonal though was he was like us common folk, he played hard and got what he deserved

by 24k state fan since 87 on Aug 14, 2007 4:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey
I don't solely root for bad guys.

Anyway, LAsme is pretty close to Kelenna on the list, so if he shows me something, he could become the next Foyle.

Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 15, 2007 11:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"got what he deserved"?
Too true. I, the common man, also got $13 million and then a $15 million buyout for sitting in my cubicle.

by leee on Aug 15, 2007 1:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it is sad to see Adonal go
not like we didn't like him as a person or a Warrior, it's just kinda...not where our team was and we all figured that out at the wrong time. Like gsw4lyfe said, I'd have rather seen Adonal go first, cuz JRich was still contributing to this team, and Adonal's spot (on the court at least) is filled by Wright, but as for JRich...maybe Belli but then again no, not the same heart, determination and fire he brought to the team for years. But we still could have gotten Belli at 18 and kept JRich, and maybe a different option after letting Foyle go. It sucks, but in all just the right move, as the NBA still is a business
...never a fairweather fan...

by BayBoyNLA on Aug 13, 2007 10:19 PM PDT   0 recs

No
I'd always see Adonal as going last. But, that's just me.
Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep.
It's times like these your loyalty is truely tested.
Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sad to see him go
But I felt almost EXACTLY the same way when J-rich left, and I'm about halfway over it now.

by DubsDominate on Aug 14, 2007 12:00 AM PDT   0 recs

Yeah
I'll definately get over it eventually.
Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

As much as
I dislike his game, Adonal is a true professional.  He will be missed, but probably not for long and not as much as J-Rich.  Anyway, he's a good guy and I wish him to best.

by semarubaka on Aug 14, 2007 12:02 AM PDT   0 recs

Oops
typo, I mean "the best"

by semarubaka on Aug 14, 2007 12:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He will be missed
for all 200+ of his years in the NBA.
Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well...
Obviously Foyle will spend exactly 10 years with the rest of his teams. So, he'll be with over 20 teams the rest of his carreer. There's a good chance he could come back to the Warriors and 90 year old Zorgon will wear his Adonal Foyle Warrior jersey from when he was a teenager. And Adonal will sign it.

Seriously Zorgon, when I first saw the headline at the top of GSoM, I thought "Oh, what's Zorgon gonna do?" He was a great guy (Adonal I mean, I know you're not leaving Zo) and will be missed.

Golden State of Mind- We iBelieve

Golden State of Mind- We iBelieve

by goGSW24 on Aug 14, 2007 12:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"Oh, what's Zorgon gonna do"
I swear that i was thinking the very same thing when i heard the news.  will we always remember where we were when we heard this (whew..lots of W's in that sentence)?  Kinda like 9/11 or JFK's assassination (that one's for the baby boomers tho).  Is it the new (Awkwardly taken jump) shot heard around the world?

by sadleavy on Aug 14, 2007 8:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Lets hope so
I'll always remember I was in a hotel with a crappy modem. And I'll also always remember how I hit my head on the table once it happened, and immediately regretted that action.
Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 15, 2007 11:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree.
On the first part.

And on the second part, I do appreciate that I'm kind of "associated" with Foyle.

Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 15, 2007 11:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

dude.... calm down....
If you're not going to be a Warrior fan just cuz we got rid of Foyle, you really need to evaluate some things. As Seinfeld once said, in sports, you're just rooting for laundry.

onwards: yea Adonal will be missed. Great guy, great blocking, not so great hands, but still, he was a nice guy. Hard to believe he was there when Sprewell choked out PJ. ah, yes, the good ol days indeed. Best of lucck to him. Hopefully he lands on a team where his skillset will be put to good use.

by spartan21 on Aug 14, 2007 12:59 AM PDT   0 recs

If you didn't notice
Adonal isn't "just that backup Center" to me.

And of course, as stated in my diary, I'll continue to root for the Warriors.

Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There goes my go-to guy
Adonal was my guy in the locker room - I'd talk to him about everyone on the team before/after a game and he'd give me great scoop about what Nellie was telling people. We've had so many discussions about things that aren't basketball related because dude was just an enlightened man.

It's good to have guys like that around. As much as I wish it would've worked out, this was the best solution for everyone involved.

He's going to be a good asset to whoever gets him, methinks.

by pree on Aug 14, 2007 2:47 AM PDT   0 recs

Sorry man
hoefully Lasme, Bellinelli, or Wright can fill out that new role.

And, hopefully, we can get a new "good guy" on the team.

Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

check it out.
http://www.adonalfoyle.com/FC_home.shtml

On Adonal's website he wrote a letter to the fans. Class act dude.

The Future

by tadams1080 on Aug 14, 2007 8:18 AM PDT   0 recs

Yeah
I've read it several times. And responded. Response is at the top of the comments.

Nice letter, it is.

Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

RIP
Adonal Foyle and Zorgon.

Dude is a class act on and off the court and he's made significant contributions outside of basketball so for that I wish him well and I wish him the best. I hope he catches on with another team. Basketball wise though, he might be the worst player in the NBA. He has 0 offensive skills whatsoever. Other than rebounding and blocked shots he was pretty useless. Hopefully he can latch on with the Celtics in a back up roll where he will be expected only to play defense and nothing else.

by J Rich 4 MVP on Aug 14, 2007 9:31 AM PDT   0 recs

Don't worry
I'm not dieing....I'm going to be here for a very, very long time.

Worst player in the NBA? I don't think so. There's a whole crapload of crap out there.

But yes, I'm hoping that his backup role with the Celts goes well. And thanks.

Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 14, 2007 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank You..Finally
Yeah, class act, plays with kids, etc...  The fact remains he is the worst player in the NBA.  Most of his block shots were  on broken plays against point guards that anyone taller than 6'6 would have gotten a block on even Dunleavy.  No hands.  Foyle & Offensive...no comment needed.

Zorgon, please come up with players worse than Foyle. Strictly based on their skills on the court, and players who have actually logged playing time (POB doesn't count or someone's grandma)  

I started a diary about Foyle being the worst player in the NBA but it got deleted.  I guess because it was too offensive for Foyle (you get it?), however this site loves the Dunleavy photos (so do I), and rags on Dunleavy all the time.  Double Standard, for sure, but I understand.

by swisher on Aug 15, 2007 6:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Your diary
Was deleted because of the way it was written (not merely because it said Foyle sucks), and the fact that it was the 4th Foyle-related diary on the front page, not even counting the main page article. The Dunleavy stuff here is mostly in jest- your tone was vitriolic.

Your "post" could have been put in any of those diaries.

As for players worse than Foyle:

  • Jerome James
  • Eric Snow
  • Damon Jones
  • Scott Pollard
  • Antoine Walker (under 40% FG, under 30% 3P, under 45% FT, more To's than Ast's, wow)
  • Jake Voshkuhl
  • Cedric Simmons
  • Antoine Wright
  • Bernard Robinson
  • Malik Rose
  • Raef LaFrentz
On top of that, Foyle isn't even the worst contract in the NBA- that belongs to Larry Hughes.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 15, 2007 7:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Foil
Hughes does have a horrendous contract, but it can be somewhat validated with the fact that he was 1st Team All-Defense in 2005.  Much more than Foyle has ever put together, besides being  Amare's personal poster boy.

As much as I hate Walker, the guy still has career PTs/game average of 18, which is more than Foyle's combined points, rebs, blocks, assists, steals, personal fouls career average per game.

At some point in their careers, Rose (spurs), Snow (sonics, 76rs), Jones(heat), Raef (mavs), and even Pollard(sac) were critical role players on playoff teams, something that eluded Foyle.

Voshkuhl- more Pts & rebs per game than Foyle.

Simmons- only 1 year in the league, could be the next Foyle

Bernard- thats a good one, never even hear of him, his best season is similar to Foyle's, but heck the guys is a lot younger, and I'm sure doesnt have that contract

James- similar career numbers to Foyle's again, same argument as Bernard, whole lot younger, I think he has a bad contract, but not as bad as Foyle. He is legit 7footer, with a big body unlike Foyle.

As far as the diary getting deleted, no big deal. I know if a regular GSoM had posted that it would have been in "jest" and everyone would be having a great time, but since it was my 2nd post and whoever is in charge doesn't know me of course its gonna get deleted.

by swisher on Aug 15, 2007 8:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

funny
that you get to go back in time with these guys

As it stands, Foyle is better than those guys...at this moment...now...which is what matters.

As for Voskuhl, it's not even close.
Per 40 numbers:

Foyle
9.2 Pts
10.6 Rebs
4.2 Blks
47% FG
4.8 PFs

Voskuhl
11.6 pts
9.5 rebs
1.0 Blks
49% FG
7.0 PFs

Foyle crushes Voskuhl on defense. Despite being an inch taller, Voskuhl doesn't block any shots and fouls are a POB-like rate. Cedric Simmons isn't much better.

Go back and look up some prorated numbers, Foyle will compare favorably.

Walker's 18PPG is unimpressive when you consider how turnover prone and inefficient he is. He's an atrocious defender, can't shoot for crap, and gives the ball away. Not sure why he's less deserving of scorn than Foyle.

When you separate Foyle from his contract, you see  good shot blocker and post defender. As a role player, he has value. His only fault is failing to live up to the expectations and pricetag of a starting center.

He's not the worst player in the league, get over it.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 15, 2007 8:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Foil
At least those players have the option of going back in time.  They are still better players today than he is.  Speaking of "what matters," professional sports is a business, and it was a great business decision to cut loose a career 2pt/2reb/1 block shot guy with that contract.  Pro-Rated stats can be misleading, its easy to produce in garbage minutes, its a whole different story when your a starter, ask Foyle.  Worst player in the league. His D has always been overrated, why do you think centers like Olawakandi-Man and other journey-men always had career bests against GSW??

The bottom line is Foyle is gone. As a warriors fan, I never have to see him yawn on the bench again, and think GS took the center from Colgate over T-Mac.  Cry if you want, thats your perogative.  Being a warrior fan, I'm happy to see them free up some money & a roster spot. There was no point in keeping a player that the head coach would never play anyway.

by swisher on Aug 15, 2007 9:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

misleading?
so pro-rated stats can be misleading to show that Foyle got his minutes in garbage time

but raw per game stats aren't misleading to show that jake Voskuhl did not get his minutes in garbage time, despite playing for the charlotte bobcats
Right, makes perfect sense.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 15, 2007 9:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Swisher
It's bad enough that you confuse hyperbole and trash-talking for reasoned statistical analysis.

That you choose to use this heartfelt diary by a devoted and bummed-out fan as a forum for your anti-Foyle screeds is the essence of pr*ckishness.

Nobody's "crying," but a few, for mostly irrational, emotional reasons, are a little sad to see the longest-tenured member of this team go. I'd ask you to have a little compassion and respect, but, alas, those are qualities you either have or you don't. Would that, a la the Grinch, your heart could magically grow a few sizes.

by Sleepy Freud on Aug 15, 2007 9:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Grinch
As I said before, pro sports is a business.  "Pr*ckness" and "Grinches" are everywhere in pro sports and they usually are the winners, get over it.  Kobe, Bonds, Rasheed, A-Rod, Steinbrenner, the Bad Boy Pistons, and our very own BD & Jackson are all potrayed and perceived as "Grinches," but they all produce and are appreciated by fans who value them because they do what they are paid to do effectively.

Players come and go, we should know that well being in the Bay with 6 pro sport teams, our favs & not-so-favs come and go.  As fans we're entitled to our opinions, if you wana believe Foyle is whatever you want to believe he is, then fine, I can believe Foyle is the worst player in the league.  I'll leave it at that. Go Warriors.

by swisher on Aug 15, 2007 10:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sports is a business
I think you're trying to use the catchphrase "sports is a business" to put down a fan (Zorgon) who's emotional investment in Foyle seems irrational because Foyle isn't a good player.

Foyle sucks, some fans like him, that makes no sense because "sports is a business" and should be about objective analysis?

If such is the case, then its even more strange that you reject any statistical, unbiased counterargument to your assertion that Foyle is the "worst player in the NBA."

Your hatred and blatant disregard for any honest discussion about the matter is as bad in my eyes as Zorgon's obsession is in yours.

In the end, it's as you say. If some fans can throw their support behind Foyle in the face of objectivity, then you and throw your hate at him in the same manner. But don't pass off your opinion as somehow better than Zorgon's, or anyone else that shed a tear for Foyle's departure, because it isn't.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 16, 2007 12:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice try
Aligning yourself with guys like Bonds, A-Rod, and Steinbrenner as fellow "Grinches." I think it's probably safe to say pr*ckishness is where the similarities begin and end. Basically you're using a lot of Neo-Machivellian mumbo-jumbo as an excuse for acting like a big meanie.

I'm also not sure how Baron and Jax got lumped in with that group. There's nothing remotely grinchy or pricky about either, in perception or reality. Those are a couple of very charismatic dudes who everyone seems to love being around.

As for Foyle, you could try to make a case for him being the "worst player in the league," but, as OZ has shown, such a case would fail by almost any statistical or non-statistical measure -- PER, win shares, anecdotal evidence, whatever. When I posted on a Celtics board that Foyle might sign with them, the response was unaninimous that he'd be a much better option than Scot Pollard.

Foyle's a below-average player. Duh. Stop the presses. Everything else is just hyperbole and unnecessary meanness.

by Sleepy Freud on Aug 16, 2007 3:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Villains?
BD and Stephen aren't villains around the league???  Take minute away from the computer screen and GSoM, and actually talk to real human beings away from this messageboard and other team's messageboards.  I love BD & Jackson as much as anyone, but if you don't think they are players that cities root against or other fans consider "thugs" then you're living in a strange alternate reality.

As interesting as blog sites and team messageboards can be, just remember they are only a small percentage of the sport's fans, even on a team-by-team basis.  Just read the discussion in the SF Chronicle site about Foyle's departure.  Everyone in the GS community except this site loved that Foyle got released for obvious reasons, I'll never understand why a small percentage of people were fascinated with him, but I'll let you guys be.  I don't care go ahead and have the last word.  I try to be a fan of the team because it is a team sport, people come and go.  The Warriors have a better future now that have freed up cap space, they won't be affected by losing 2pt/2reb/1 block guy.

by swisher on Aug 16, 2007 8:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the difference
It is possible to celebrate the loss of his contract while mourning the departure of a fixture.

You seem to hold that giving Foyle any credit, even for his off-court activities, automatically makes such a person "not a fan of the team".

There isn't a single person here who hasn't reacted positively to the additional salary relief. Yet some members manage to simultaneously express appreciation for what he has done and appreciate his contributions so society, not just the Warriors.

I'm glad you're "trying" to be a fan of the team because it is a team sport, but if you want to be a member of a fan community, perhaps it will serve you well to look at issues with greater depth.

I mean, what if I classified YOU as either a resource waste or a contributor to society. After all, a community is a team sport. Let's waive you, then guage the reactions of all the members of the community. Maybe I'll call out those people who were "fascinated" by you despite your lack of production; maybe someone will dub you "worst poster on GSoM", without bothering to actually look at what you've done. What if?

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 16, 2007 10:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I read the whole thing
sorry, it was just too annoying to get back onto that crap computer the next day, and I'm home now.

Swisher- We all know the NBA is a business and such, and I understand that. This diary was more of a reminiscence, since the buyout/trade of Foyle with the new system we're running was inevitable.

You orginially went to the argument that Foyle was the worst player in the league, then you resorted to he's the worst player for his value, then it turned into a cat fest.

As far as worst player, don't even try. Plenty of crap is out there. I'm too tired and jet lagged ATM to pull up a list.

Worst player for their value....maybe. You could point to the inefficency of Antoine Walker or someone like that, but I'll take a better route. Three Names: Zarko Cabarkapa, Bob Sura, and Allan Houston. They all combined for a grand total of 0 everything last season. So, technically, Allan Houston is the worst there. For guys who actually played, he might be, but you forget that he didn't really play. So, my judgement call is "unable to determine."

As for the salary relief....it's good. I mean, what cna I say?

Sorry my arguments are lame, I'm just tired to the max ATM.

To OptionZero and Sleepy, Thanks.

Adonal Foyle Forever....

by Zorgon on Aug 16, 2007 5:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trying?..What If?
So I'm only "trying" to be a fan of the team because  I don't like one player on the roster?  So does that mean the entire GSoM community are only "trying" to be fans as well because they hated Dunleavy?  I have a colleague who has had season tickets for the last 25 years, and he hated Dunleavy, Mookie Blaylock, Manute, Lister, Foyle, so he's not a true fan, even though he never missed a game, even through all the ups & downs the Warriors have been through.  He's just "trying."

As far as waiving me or calling me the worst poster on this site, it wouldn't bother me.  My social network and life doesn't revolve around GSoM, which is only a small sample size of the GSW community. It really wouldn't hurt, sorry.  Don't say I'm not a fan of a team just because I don't agree with what the regular posters at this site believe in.  I apologize for having independent thoughts.  I still believe Foyle is the worst player in the NBA and the worst contract as well.

by swisher on Aug 16, 2007 8:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trying
was a word you used, not me.

You can have independent thoughts all you want- whether you want to apologize for doing so is also a choice thats on you, not us.

All I'm saying: don't think to pass off your "independent thought" as somehow more legitimate than Zorgon's, or anyone else that expressed their sadness over Foyle's departure.

My independent thought is that you are wrong, Foyle is not the worst player in the NBA.

Another independent thought is that you didn't bother looking at any of the objective data set before you to show that your independent thought was wrong.

But again...these are just my thoughts. The weight of my thoughts is dependent on the one that's reading them- to judge based on the reasons and support that i've provided and compared against the "support" that you have.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Aug 16, 2007 8:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wahhh
Not to pile on, but didn't you say you had said your piece?

The problem isn't the "independence" of your thoughts per se, it's their independence from reality, and from anything that has actually been written here.

Basically, you're confused. You've lost track of the original thread of the debate and are now just whining about a bunch of totally unrelated stuff -- classic persecution complex. Put it to rest and try contributing something interesting next time.

by Sleepy Freud on Aug 16, 2007 8:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs