Adonal Foyle: The Life, The Legacy, and the Future of Zorgon
Hey guys,
I'm sitting in a hotel right now with an extremely slow computer that won't let me open more than three windows, a very low chair, and a very high monitor (I must crane my neck). So, in other words, excuse the sloppiness.
I can't begin of what to think or say....Ever since I picked up that first copy of NBA Live '98, Adonal has been there. I watch a Warriors game, whether on the court or the bench, Adonal is there. No matter how good or bad our record gets, Adonal is there. No matter how heavily or lightly a new coach plays him, he's there.
And now....he's not.
The one constant throughout the whole time I've watched the Warriors...gone.
Gone.
I understand some of you older guys will come up and say, "I've been through three generations of players, stop crying." But the first time....it's always the hardest.
I mean, I know Adonal will get to play on the Celtics or Magic....But it's not the same. It's like seeing Patrick Ewing on the Sonics or Michael Jordan on the Wizards.
I really do hope he can win a championship, and demonstate his new 12 foot shot next to KG. I'd really like that.
As for my future as a Warriors fan...I don't know. It's hard. There's a huge part of me that just want's to say, "Screw the Warriors, go pick up a Celtics shirt and forget it all happened."
But no. I know it's not right to follow a player around and ride the Celtics to the championship. It's just wrong.
So, I'm going to be a Warriors fan. Will I start enjoying Nellie-ball? No. Will Baron Davis become my new god? No. But I will continue to cheer the Warriors on, even if it takes 50 years for me to really and truely like them again.
So, Zorgon? Who's your new big obsession?
Adonal Foyle will always be #1 to me. Whenever we play the Celtics, I'll cheer for him first and foremost, the Warriors second. Now, I want the Warriors to win, but I want Adonal to score 50 at the same time. :)
As for my new favourite Warriors player?
Probobly Kelenna Azubuike. I saw his debut against NOK and he was simply fantastic, especially for the first time playing in the NBA. I've been hooked ever since.
Will Kelenna become a new Foyle-like obsession?
No. Foyle is always #1. More or less, you'll see me become a regular (if a bit kooky, and hating of Don Nelson) GSoM member.
Your take on the Warriors' and Adonals' future?
I think the Warriors arebasically a steady boat, waiting for development this season. We could get lucky, or we could go right back to 30 some wins. But, rest assured, I'll be there all the way.
Adonal probobly has 267 years left, at least in the NBA. He will be MVP for 13 seasons straight (interrupted once by a zombie takeover) and average 77 points, 45 rebounds, 12 assists, 92 blocks, and 10 steals per game.
So why the Foyle love?
Well, its because he plays like me on the court, and I am a huge fan of his values off of the court. On the court, I fumble the ball all the time, and my only real value is post defense, rebounding, and hustle. Same for Adonal. As for off the court, Democracy Matters works to have clean elections, and get money out of politics, so it is easier for lesser known or poorer candidates to run. Its not a soup kitchen, but I am sure as hell for it.
I will close this long, sloppy rant with my thoughts on the buyout itself.
"Godd** it! F*! S*! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! C*! G*J! AAAAARGH! SH*****!!! ********************************** ********************************
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Adonal Foyle will always live on in our hearts....
But in the eyes of Warriorsnation, he is now but an empty shell in the sands of time....
PS: In my poll, please value hs basketball playing abilities and his person. NOT his contract.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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My Letter to Adonal
It is treuly sad news for me that you have been bought out by the Golden State Warriors. You have always been my favourite player, and will continue to be. I loved cheering for you and the team here in OKC, and even went down to Dallas to show my appreciation.
The best moment of all was when I showed you I had your jersey, and you turned around and gave me an approving point. It's a moment I'll appreciate throughout my whole life.
There are so many things I'd like to say, but I'll wrap it up here, as you are a busy man. Whether you go to Orlando or Boston, I'll cheer you on till the end of your playing days. Hey, maybe even in future elections...but lets not get too carried away.
I appreciate all you stand for in Democracy Matters and on the court. I'll miss you, man!
- One of your biggest fans-
Zeb
I won't be back for a while, so don't freak out if I don't respond to your comment.
Adonal Foyle Forever....
N00b
JK
If you didn't know it, I'm the #1 Adonal Fan on this site. So....yeah.
Adonal Foyle Forever....
Well
Very nice diary, by the way. You need to stick around here if only to continue to improve your promising writing skillz. With Foyle out of the picture, your thoughts and observations are almost certain to become more "reality-based"...
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 14, 2007 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions
That is true
Yeah, of course I'll stick around. Thanks.
Adonal Foyle Forever....
Hey!
by Aluminum Foyle on Aug 14, 2007 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
brilliant.
by pacifictigerpepband on Aug 13, 2007 9:49 PM PDT reply actions
Zo, you are a real fan
I have a signed jersey and will mostly remember Foyle being the guy who really interacted with the crowd in the shootaround, being an ambassador of good will and high standards and values, and using his resources to make the world a better place for many people.
As a fan who wants the best for the team, I am glad he is leaving for all the reasons we already have covered ad infinitum. As a fan of Foyle's humanity, I am glad he's leaving so he can find a better situation for himself. To me it is win-win and I actually applaud the Warrior management for having the will to actually accomplish this timely seperation.
You call me ancient, I say "oldguysrule"
wtf u gotta be kidding rite
its all backwords.... i wanted 2 see adonal go 1st .. than maybe J rich.. im glad adonal left.. he didnt do anyhting but take up our cash.. we coulda had 2 haringotns on our team..
but anyway.. i hope foyle does go 2 boston.. and i hope he does go 2 the finls.. but i dont want the celtics 2 win. i want the warriors 2
hahaha.. i hope we do summthin.. get like3 stars.. plus keep our yungsters
by goldenstatewarrior4lyfe on Aug 13, 2007 9:58 PM PDT reply actions
Adonal
Adonal Foyle Forever....
All good Zorgon...
by RubberDubDubs on Aug 15, 2007 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Foyle
Thats an insult to Jordan & Ewing. You can't compare the greatest player of all time and one of the top 50 players of all time to Foyle.
by swisher on Aug 13, 2007 10:05 PM PDT reply actions
Ummm
And I think Jordan and Ewing will survive the insult.
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 14, 2007 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Zo meant
by xacto @ Golden State Of Mind on Aug 14, 2007 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Foyle
I understand being faithful to a player. It was difficult to see the A's part ways with Giambi, Hudson, Mulder, and Zito. All have done great things for the Bay Area, and more importantly had an impact on the team's success.
I understand appreciating a guy for his community work, but lets be honest, Foyle epitomized what was wrong with the Warriors for so many years. Bad draft picks & money spent foolishly. Well maybe in that regard, xacto is correct. When I think of all the losing seasons, I do think of Foyle. When I think of the playoff Warriors, I think of BD, Stephen, Monta, Al, Biedrens...Its no coincidence, Warriors start winning with Foyle sitting on the bench (usually yawning or resting his head in his hands).
by swisher on Aug 14, 2007 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
First of all
Second of all, Adonal IS the greatest player of all time.
(But, as Sleepy says, I do understand the distinction, dude. And I really meant what xacto was saying. So there.)
Adonal Foyle Forever....
so zorgon
by 24k state fan since 87 on Aug 13, 2007 10:11 PM PDT reply actions
hmm
by 24k state fan since 87 on Aug 14, 2007 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
"got what he deserved"?
by leee @ Golden State Of Mind on Aug 15, 2007 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
it is sad to see Adonal go
...never a fairweather fan...
Sad to see him go
As much as
Well...
Seriously Zorgon, when I first saw the headline at the top of GSoM, I thought "Oh, what's Zorgon gonna do?" He was a great guy (Adonal I mean, I know you're not leaving Zo) and will be missed.
Golden State of Mind- We iBelieve
Golden State of Mind- We iBelieve
"Oh, what's Zorgon gonna do"
by sadleavy on Aug 14, 2007 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Lets hope so
Adonal Foyle Forever....
dude.... calm down....
onwards: yea Adonal will be missed. Great guy, great blocking, not so great hands, but still, he was a nice guy. Hard to believe he was there when Sprewell choked out PJ. ah, yes, the good ol days indeed. Best of lucck to him. Hopefully he lands on a team where his skillset will be put to good use.
by spartan21 @ Golden State Of Mind on Aug 14, 2007 12:59 AM PDT reply actions
If you didn't notice
And of course, as stated in my diary, I'll continue to root for the Warriors.
Adonal Foyle Forever....
There goes my go-to guy
It's good to have guys like that around. As much as I wish it would've worked out, this was the best solution for everyone involved.
He's going to be a good asset to whoever gets him, methinks.
check it out.
On Adonal's website he wrote a letter to the fans. Class act dude.
The Future
by tadams1080 on Aug 14, 2007 8:18 AM PDT reply actions
RIP
Dude is a class act on and off the court and he's made significant contributions outside of basketball so for that I wish him well and I wish him the best. I hope he catches on with another team. Basketball wise though, he might be the worst player in the NBA. He has 0 offensive skills whatsoever. Other than rebounding and blocked shots he was pretty useless. Hopefully he can latch on with the Celtics in a back up roll where he will be expected only to play defense and nothing else.
Don't worry
Worst player in the NBA? I don't think so. There's a whole crapload of crap out there.
But yes, I'm hoping that his backup role with the Celts goes well. And thanks.
Adonal Foyle Forever....
Thank You..Finally
Zorgon, please come up with players worse than Foyle. Strictly based on their skills on the court, and players who have actually logged playing time (POB doesn't count or someone's grandma)
I started a diary about Foyle being the worst player in the NBA but it got deleted. I guess because it was too offensive for Foyle (you get it?), however this site loves the Dunleavy photos (so do I), and rags on Dunleavy all the time. Double Standard, for sure, but I understand.
by swisher on Aug 15, 2007 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Your diary
Your "post" could have been put in any of those diaries.
As for players worse than Foyle:
- Jerome James
- Eric Snow
- Damon Jones
- Scott Pollard
- Antoine Walker (under 40% FG, under 30% 3P, under 45% FT, more To's than Ast's, wow)
- Jake Voshkuhl
- Cedric Simmons
- Antoine Wright
- Bernard Robinson
- Malik Rose
- Raef LaFrentz
Questions? Complaints?
(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)
by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Aug 15, 2007 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Foil
As much as I hate Walker, the guy still has career PTs/game average of 18, which is more than Foyle's combined points, rebs, blocks, assists, steals, personal fouls career average per game.
At some point in their careers, Rose (spurs), Snow (sonics, 76rs), Jones(heat), Raef (mavs), and even Pollard(sac) were critical role players on playoff teams, something that eluded Foyle.
Voshkuhl- more Pts & rebs per game than Foyle.
Simmons- only 1 year in the league, could be the next Foyle
Bernard- thats a good one, never even hear of him, his best season is similar to Foyle's, but heck the guys is a lot younger, and I'm sure doesnt have that contract
James- similar career numbers to Foyle's again, same argument as Bernard, whole lot younger, I think he has a bad contract, but not as bad as Foyle. He is legit 7footer, with a big body unlike Foyle.
As far as the diary getting deleted, no big deal. I know if a regular GSoM had posted that it would have been in "jest" and everyone would be having a great time, but since it was my 2nd post and whoever is in charge doesn't know me of course its gonna get deleted.
by swisher on Aug 15, 2007 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
funny
As it stands, Foyle is better than those guys...at this moment...now...which is what matters.
As for Voskuhl, it's not even close.
Per 40 numbers:
Foyle
9.2 Pts
10.6 Rebs
4.2 Blks
47% FG
4.8 PFs
Voskuhl
11.6 pts
9.5 rebs
1.0 Blks
49% FG
7.0 PFs
Foyle crushes Voskuhl on defense. Despite being an inch taller, Voskuhl doesn't block any shots and fouls are a POB-like rate. Cedric Simmons isn't much better.
Go back and look up some prorated numbers, Foyle will compare favorably.
Walker's 18PPG is unimpressive when you consider how turnover prone and inefficient he is. He's an atrocious defender, can't shoot for crap, and gives the ball away. Not sure why he's less deserving of scorn than Foyle.
When you separate Foyle from his contract, you see good shot blocker and post defender. As a role player, he has value. His only fault is failing to live up to the expectations and pricetag of a starting center.
He's not the worst player in the league, get over it.
Questions? Complaints?
(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)
by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Aug 15, 2007 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Foil
The bottom line is Foyle is gone. As a warriors fan, I never have to see him yawn on the bench again, and think GS took the center from Colgate over T-Mac. Cry if you want, thats your perogative. Being a warrior fan, I'm happy to see them free up some money & a roster spot. There was no point in keeping a player that the head coach would never play anyway.
by swisher on Aug 15, 2007 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
misleading?
but raw per game stats aren't misleading to show that jake Voskuhl did not get his minutes in garbage time, despite playing for the charlotte bobcats
Right, makes perfect sense.
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Aug 15, 2007 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Swisher
That you choose to use this heartfelt diary by a devoted and bummed-out fan as a forum for your anti-Foyle screeds is the essence of pr*ckishness.
Nobody's "crying," but a few, for mostly irrational, emotional reasons, are a little sad to see the longest-tenured member of this team go. I'd ask you to have a little compassion and respect, but, alas, those are qualities you either have or you don't. Would that, a la the Grinch, your heart could magically grow a few sizes.
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 15, 2007 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Grinch
Players come and go, we should know that well being in the Bay with 6 pro sport teams, our favs & not-so-favs come and go. As fans we're entitled to our opinions, if you wana believe Foyle is whatever you want to believe he is, then fine, I can believe Foyle is the worst player in the league. I'll leave it at that. Go Warriors.
by swisher on Aug 15, 2007 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Sports is a business
Foyle sucks, some fans like him, that makes no sense because "sports is a business" and should be about objective analysis?
If such is the case, then its even more strange that you reject any statistical, unbiased counterargument to your assertion that Foyle is the "worst player in the NBA."
Your hatred and blatant disregard for any honest discussion about the matter is as bad in my eyes as Zorgon's obsession is in yours.
In the end, it's as you say. If some fans can throw their support behind Foyle in the face of objectivity, then you and throw your hate at him in the same manner. But don't pass off your opinion as somehow better than Zorgon's, or anyone else that shed a tear for Foyle's departure, because it isn't.
Questions? Complaints?
(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)
by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Aug 16, 2007 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice try
I'm also not sure how Baron and Jax got lumped in with that group. There's nothing remotely grinchy or pricky about either, in perception or reality. Those are a couple of very charismatic dudes who everyone seems to love being around.
As for Foyle, you could try to make a case for him being the "worst player in the league," but, as OZ has shown, such a case would fail by almost any statistical or non-statistical measure -- PER, win shares, anecdotal evidence, whatever. When I posted on a Celtics board that Foyle might sign with them, the response was unaninimous that he'd be a much better option than Scot Pollard.
Foyle's a below-average player. Duh. Stop the presses. Everything else is just hyperbole and unnecessary meanness.
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 16, 2007 3:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Villains?
As interesting as blog sites and team messageboards can be, just remember they are only a small percentage of the sport's fans, even on a team-by-team basis. Just read the discussion in the SF Chronicle site about Foyle's departure. Everyone in the GS community except this site loved that Foyle got released for obvious reasons, I'll never understand why a small percentage of people were fascinated with him, but I'll let you guys be. I don't care go ahead and have the last word. I try to be a fan of the team because it is a team sport, people come and go. The Warriors have a better future now that have freed up cap space, they won't be affected by losing 2pt/2reb/1 block guy.
by swisher on Aug 16, 2007 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
the difference
You seem to hold that giving Foyle any credit, even for his off-court activities, automatically makes such a person "not a fan of the team".
There isn't a single person here who hasn't reacted positively to the additional salary relief. Yet some members manage to simultaneously express appreciation for what he has done and appreciate his contributions so society, not just the Warriors.
I'm glad you're "trying" to be a fan of the team because it is a team sport, but if you want to be a member of a fan community, perhaps it will serve you well to look at issues with greater depth.
I mean, what if I classified YOU as either a resource waste or a contributor to society. After all, a community is a team sport. Let's waive you, then guage the reactions of all the members of the community. Maybe I'll call out those people who were "fascinated" by you despite your lack of production; maybe someone will dub you "worst poster on GSoM", without bothering to actually look at what you've done. What if?
Questions? Complaints?
(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)
by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Aug 16, 2007 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I read the whole thing
Swisher- We all know the NBA is a business and such, and I understand that. This diary was more of a reminiscence, since the buyout/trade of Foyle with the new system we're running was inevitable.
You orginially went to the argument that Foyle was the worst player in the league, then you resorted to he's the worst player for his value, then it turned into a cat fest.
As far as worst player, don't even try. Plenty of crap is out there. I'm too tired and jet lagged ATM to pull up a list.
Worst player for their value....maybe. You could point to the inefficency of Antoine Walker or someone like that, but I'll take a better route. Three Names: Zarko Cabarkapa, Bob Sura, and Allan Houston. They all combined for a grand total of 0 everything last season. So, technically, Allan Houston is the worst there. For guys who actually played, he might be, but you forget that he didn't really play. So, my judgement call is "unable to determine."
As for the salary relief....it's good. I mean, what cna I say?
Sorry my arguments are lame, I'm just tired to the max ATM.
To OptionZero and Sleepy, Thanks.
Adonal Foyle Forever....
Trying?..What If?
As far as waiving me or calling me the worst poster on this site, it wouldn't bother me. My social network and life doesn't revolve around GSoM, which is only a small sample size of the GSW community. It really wouldn't hurt, sorry. Don't say I'm not a fan of a team just because I don't agree with what the regular posters at this site believe in. I apologize for having independent thoughts. I still believe Foyle is the worst player in the NBA and the worst contract as well.
by swisher on Aug 16, 2007 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Trying
You can have independent thoughts all you want- whether you want to apologize for doing so is also a choice thats on you, not us.
All I'm saying: don't think to pass off your "independent thought" as somehow more legitimate than Zorgon's, or anyone else that expressed their sadness over Foyle's departure.
My independent thought is that you are wrong, Foyle is not the worst player in the NBA.
Another independent thought is that you didn't bother looking at any of the objective data set before you to show that your independent thought was wrong.
But again...these are just my thoughts. The weight of my thoughts is dependent on the one that's reading them- to judge based on the reasons and support that i've provided and compared against the "support" that you have.
Questions? Complaints?
(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)
by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Aug 16, 2007 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Wahhh
The problem isn't the "independence" of your thoughts per se, it's their independence from reality, and from anything that has actually been written here.
Basically, you're confused. You've lost track of the original thread of the debate and are now just whining about a bunch of totally unrelated stuff -- classic persecution complex. Put it to rest and try contributing something interesting next time.
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 16, 2007 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
All Hail Sleepy!
Adonal Foyle Forever....
Ending?
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 16, 2007 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahahahah
Adonal Foyle Forever....
1
2 More! We can do it!
Adonal Foyle Forever.... Member #1 of the "Bring Back Adonal" Movement!!!!
Oooops
Wait....
This means only one more!
Adonal Foyle Forever.... Member #1 of the "Bring Back Adonal" Movement!!!!
+1
by Sleepy Freud on Aug 17, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Chalupas LOL
.
When I heard this
by xacto @ Golden State Of Mind on Aug 14, 2007 10:02 AM PDT reply actions
kinda wierd Zorgon....
Thanks for everything big man, and keep ballin hard whereever you go.....peace, dan (PS-i think clutch city might be a nice fit, deke is seriously again and foyle could play that role next year, just a thought)
by BeLEGENDelliAllDay on Aug 14, 2007 10:11 AM PDT reply actions
Hahah
Adonal Foyle Forever....
whoops
by BeLEGENDelliAllDay on Aug 14, 2007 10:12 AM PDT reply actions
Zorgon Is A True Fan
Cabangbang
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with these things < > at either end
Like so

by Sleepy Freud on Aug 14, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
fixed
Questions? Complaints?
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by OptionZero @ Golden State Of Mind on Aug 14, 2007 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing I'll remember most about Foyle is.......
Ballin' like its '88!
Foyle
I think I know what Zorgon is filling because I had a similar attachment to JRich although I admit Zorgon is a bigger fan of Foyle. When JRich got traded, I was cussing for about 3 hours and acting stupidly while playing NBA 2K7 with my friend. I felt like ditching the Warriors too but of course that won't happen but I do think that I feel a little disconnected from the Warriors.
My bad...
lol
by Proof on Aug 15, 2007 12:44 AM PDT reply actions
What I'll miss most about Foyle, the Player
We should nominate POB as Foyle's successor as the Dub's garbage time king.

COWABUNGA!!!
by Tim N Chris Burger on Aug 15, 2007 1:46 AM PDT reply actions
for someone
for someone just begining
by Lat We N Trash on Aug 15, 2007 4:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone thought
Most of us think the same about POB right now!
So who knows?
by back2back51s on Aug 15, 2007 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
The Human Victory Cigar is dead...
by sadleavy on Aug 15, 2007 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Garbage Time
Adonal Foyle Forever....
You can be still a fan of the Foyle man
Foyle to the SuperSonics, then the Sonics to OKC?
^Best case scenario, no reason to make a worst case one, you already got the worst news this offseason.
The first part....
As for the second part....after 2008-2009, I could care less what comes to OKC. I'll be off at college (99% sure Out of State) so hopefully it will be in a city with NBA ties.
Adonal Foyle Forever....
This ones for Zorgon...

Is that you holding the sign? LOL- man you held it down on this post, I don't ever wanna talk mess about Foyle again!
Lol Thanks Man!
Thanks for the compliment. Too bad I never got to see Foyle play in the Bay Area....
Adonal Foyle Forever....
Live box score...
Zorgon the high scorer with a Kobe-esque 41.
I don't think anyone else cracked double digits, though this "free throw" gets me to 8 or 9...
Zorgon did you catch this article last week?
http://slamonline.com/online/2007/08/adonal-foyle-mde/
Probably nobody is looking here anymore and this is 5 days late, but nonetheless it belongs here more than anywhere else, even if its tardy.
Awesome!
What must've been even scarier about Adonal in the Patriot conference: He had a flat-top.
Adonal Foyle Forever.... Member #1 of the "Bring Back Adonal" Movement!!!!

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