Is again the killer.

At this stage, his ability to score is doubtful. He averaged only 40 FTA/40, so he's not getting to the rim, and he shot just 33% from 3P and 39% FG overall. That tells me he's losing his biggest asset- speed.

His AST/To ratio is still good, but he would be a liability on defense.

I'd say pass- but if we could get Memphis to chip in something extra for his contract, like a pick, i'd listen.

the warriors simply cannot afford to pay their #3 PG $4 million next year, assuming Monta and Biedrins come back.  

WHAT ELSE?

With that aforementioned loss of quickness said, how would be able to hang in NELLIE's style of play?  He's not just a liability on defense, but on offense as well.  He needs to be able to run up and down the court, and if he's not able to, he's pretty much useless to the W's.

If he'll come cheap and we don't have any other options, I guess it wouldn't hurt to give him a try.

bring in dee brown

the question is:

are any of these guys better than Pierre Piece?

If so, how much better?

cuz Pierre Pierce can be had for $700k. Can any of those guys?

It seems the ideal situation would be to bring in a young, talented PG who the W's believe will be the PG of the future (let Monta be Monta!).

This year, sign Pierce (cheap) or Dee Brown (cheapish to cheap).

Next year, draft a PG who will be our future PG barring a bust (already debated in another diary, I know). We can afford to take someone who is a slight project because no young/back-up PG will get better experience than BD's back-up. It's a basically guaranteed 15-20 min/night, plus starting and running the whole game 15-20 games a year.

Of course, that all depends on what happens with BD, if he opts out, gets extended or what. Ideally, we would just let him walk but unless the W's have a better than average replacement, that will be hard to both do and to sell to the fans.

with bringing in Pierre Pierce....He is the cheapest option of any listed, and I truly believe he is the best....He is a big point guard (6-4, about 200), with nice college avgs 16,5 and 5....Everybody knows that Nellie likes his guards to rebound, which is something Pierce did well at the college level....If he does not work out, no big deal, only costs us the minimum....If Stoudamire or J-Will don't work out, it'll cost us much more....peace, dan

move. Rewind to Vegas -> remember where they put PP when he wasn't running the point?? KS isolated him low post and PP scored against the slower smaller PG.  Hmm...

I don't think PP fits our team at all.  Granted the kid can score and he has good size but at this point in his career he is not what we need.  

For all of you who watched some of the Summer League action, did you not notice the frantic way in which PP played.  The flow of the game when he was in was very awkward.  He showed he has skills but he did not in any way carry the attitude that is prevalent on our team right now & that allowed us to take down Dallas - unwavering confidence.  

Rather, he looked like a kid who has a lot to prove & because of that is blind to a lot what is going on around him.

It's understandable, I mean the kid recently got out of jail & hasn't played high level basketball in a very long time.  I think he needs to go play abroad for a year or two, regain some leadership presence and then come back and give the NBA a shot.  

One thing about Baron is that he raises the level of everybody else's game out there.  I think that for PP it's the exact opposite right now.  

However, someone from Summer League action that I thought had a great presence was T. Bailey.  Now that kid (alright at 32 he's not quite a kid anymore) brings an attitude that would be good for the Dubs.  He has worked his ass off in the trenches these past few years, he has valuable experience from playing international ball & he brings that contagious, confident attitude that Barnes exemplafied last year.  

We need to bring in more players with that kind of attitude and stay far away from PP whose current motivation comes way too much from a position of desperation.

Finally, I agree w/ Sleepy... We don't need to bring in a traditional backup PG right now.  Give Monta the chance to step up.  

Whether or not you agree with his past transgressions, he plays with a passion that we all have come to love in Oakland.  Look at Matt Barnes....That man played with some serious desperation last year, and look how much we loved him....Obviously things looked a bit disjointed when he played in the Summer League, b/c none of the those guys were used to playing with each other when the league started.  Everybody who has ever played ball knows that it takes time (esp. at the point guard position) to get truly comfortable with your teammates, and you simply did not have that comfort in the summer league.  I don't dispute that S-Jax can not initiate the offense, however, I think if you watch when he played point, our offense was initiated noticeably later in the shot clock with Jax at the point (which is something that Davis did well).  I think that PP can make his teammates better, and there is no better tutor (besides maybe J-Kidd) for him to learn from than Baron.  I see it as a almost no risk/ big reward situation....peace, dan

"I don't dispute that S-Jax can intitiate the office"

How about Dhantay Jones?  Looked like Memphis is not signing him.  He is a cousin of Harrington (if it helps) and is a tall PG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAiu9LXO6A

I think is better PG for Nelson's style.  He demonstrated a LITTLE bit of leadership while at Utah.  Payton is okay but no future, PP might have too much luggage, Jack might be traded to the east, and Mulson might buyout Sarunas for $2M.

I hope Mulson will tryout Dee Brown!!!

He tended to be out of control and it worked out in Vegas because .. it's Vegas. If he played that same type of game in the NBA, he'd get torched.

Delonte West is the backup the Warriors should be looking at. I'm just saying, is all ..

The point of getting a 3rd PG is to keep Baron healthy by reducing his playing time during the beginning and middle of the season and preventing the team from getting screwed in the first place.

In order to limit Baron's minutes, the warriors need one more true PG on the roster who can play 10-15 minutes in a blowout (or for that matter if said 3rd PG is simply having a good night) and 5-10 minutes in regular games.  

Heck, the warriors could have used a true PG in the Utah series when no one but Baron could even set up the offense, although Monta will hopefully progress enough to fill that need.

From the new rumor linked back in the original diary, looks like we're interested in Darrel Armstrong. Surprisingly, he had a 15.1 PER last year at age 39. Crazy.

Had solid ast/to ratio (2.4 to .9) in limited time, decent rbr for a PG.

Not a great 3p shooter, but he has that range. On defense he's a pesky little guy (.9 stls in 15minutes) that will bug opposing ballhandlers.

His contract is not guaranteed for next year. If the Pacers cut him, i could see us going after him with the veteran's minimum for a year, and I wouldn't have a problem with that at all.

I wouldn't give up anything in a trade for him.

if you're gonna merge the diaries at least change the title to fit the general-purpose content of this thread. i don't think looking through old comments on completely different players really fits under the title of "warriors after armstrong".

as for getting armstrong, i say no only cuz he's old and has a history for injury. we need someone reliable to fill in when bd goes down.