Gary Payton interested in the Warriors.

by BTT on Sep 8, 2007 4:15 AM PDT Comment 44 comments

http://www.insidebayarea.com/sanmateocountytimes/ci_6837171

I have no real opinion on this. It would be great for him to retire in his hometown but thats about it. He's completely worn out and his shot/assists would never be the same. He would be a good mentor for Monta and even Baron.

By the way, I'm high as hell so if that made no sense. cool.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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when it come to bball

im intreasted in GP
i think he would be great in the warriors backup PG spot also he lived in oakland or born there.

Best seat in the House

by kaszowski on Sep 8, 2007 6:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

dump jassy

if we can get the glove, then i think we can let go of he valuable exp contract of cabbages. the glove's gotta be able to get some steals and make a great outlet pass. he would win us some games for sure. and, now i realize what BT stands for... bong toke.

by eshock on Sep 8, 2007 7:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Cabbages > The Glove

Payton's 39 and is 100% cooked. Might as well bring back Sleepy, Bimbo, Vonteego, Mookie, Muggsy, or Keith "Mister" Jennings for our backup PG. If this weren't a family site, I'd ask you to give me some of that stuff you're smoking.

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 8, 2007 8:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i'm just smokin' cabbages

something i'll never understand keeps this guy riding pine even when MP2 chokes the playoffs away at the stripe. is it poor defensive positioning? lack of penetration? GP is not a good shooter, but i still think he'd contribute more than jassy next year. probably won't make a better cheerleader, tho. let him dominate europe, jassy's in his prime.

by eshock on Sep 8, 2007 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Poor D

I think Jasi's D wasn't up to par. Nelson's 1st priority is defense and he couldn't really keep up. Mikael may be so-so, but he fits in with the W's scrambling defensive schemes pretty well. I think that another reason that JRich was traded is that his defense was not up to par as well.

In any case I would rather let ellis or beli get more time at the point than giving up minutes to a veteran.

by bol on Sep 8, 2007 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

huh?

"Nelson's 1st priority is defense"? That's a joke, right?

by jae on Sep 8, 2007 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree

the dude is a bit cooked. BUT, mentality, toughness, defensive intensity, mentor....ill take him

by jrizzle on Sep 9, 2007 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

if we could get rooney to leave, why not?

Sure GP's old, but playing for the Dubs in his final nba season would be a fitting end for the oaktown native!!

He could play 5-10 mins a game, backup Baron, teach Monta about the PG position, how to play lights out D, how to set up the offense, etc...

Remember, the Dubs are a hella young team and they could use another wise vet...

http://www.eurobasket2007.org/en/files/%7BA2D71633-59FC-4256-9017-ACAF9ECD0AC9%7Dhs_small.jpg I will break you!

by easyyi80 on Sep 8, 2007 8:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

The

Dubs aren't in the business of giving people a fitting end to their career, they're suppose to win games and GP will not help the Dubs do that.

by J Rich 4 MVP on Sep 8, 2007 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

GP

To me its about two years too late. But if he still has gas in the tank and can handle 15-20 minutes a night to give Baron a rest why not? He's definately a better play maker than what we currently have. Maybe he we trade Petrius for him and a #1 pick to get the contract room.

by Ultimate Warrior on Sep 8, 2007 8:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Why not?

I'd take this guy over Pietrus OR Jasikevicus. I'm tired of Mickaels stupid mistakes, and Jasikevicus has proved nothing. Payton could be a valuble backup PG, and could take some time off of Barons gigantic workload.

As for him as commentator....I don't think I'd like it. But it would be fun to see a Atlanta-Minnesota game commentated by Stephen A. Smith and Gary Payton, with Stuart Scott doing sideline commentary.

Tony.psd = Da Man

by Zorgon on Sep 8, 2007 9:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

KFJDHSKJHFSD

NO GARY PAYTON! This cat is washed up and has nothing left in the tank, I seriously cannot understand why anybody would want him on our team. We need a PG who will be dependable through all 82 games, we already have an oft-injured PG, WTF would be the point in bringing in another creaky body? I don't get you people that clammer at recognizable names and have to make a diary saying how he would be a good fit, take a second, breathe and realize what a horrible fit this actually is.

by J Rich 4 MVP on Sep 8, 2007 10:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Payton is a distraction

If he still had some talent I would say it might be ok but he has slipped pretty far and seems to be a dick so forget it

I don't see him as being a mentor to anyone

Jason Kidd on the other hand in a few years I would welcome

by Zig on Sep 8, 2007 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I never

really liked this guy, especially his attitude. But, he could be a nice addition though he probably would be no use since we have enough guards.

by ballin on Sep 8, 2007 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

You've got it 100% backwards

In his prime, GP may have been the best all-around PG of the post-Magic era: as good as Kidd, better than Nash, better than Baron.

Unfortunately, he's 39 now, and no closer to that guy than the 44-y.o. Jordan is to the Jordan of the early 1990s.

Payton PER by year
-----
01/02 -- 22.9
02/03 -- 21.1
03/04 -- 17.3
04/05 -- 15.1
05/06 -- 10.7
06/07 -- 9.0

If that doesn't bespeak someone who has totally fallen off a cliff, I don't know what does.

By way of comparison, MJ in his last two creaky years put up PERs of 20.8 and 19.3. Basically, the 44-y.o. Jordan would likely kick the 39-y.o. Payton's ass, on the NBA senior tour.

I suspect a lot of the people on this board are too young to grasp the concept of an athlete being DONE. As JRich 4 MVP says, "the Dubs aren't in the business of giving people a fitting end to their career." The topic of this thread shouldn't even be a question.

by Sleepy Freud on Sep 8, 2007 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

BRING IN JORDAN

Lets start a movement!

Tony.psd = Da Man

by Zorgon on Sep 8, 2007 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

no way

If even GP himself is wondering whether or not to even try to play this year, than he shouldn't. No way he handles 15-20.

by Lifelong on Sep 8, 2007 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

solution?

nongauranteed contract

Is th at possible? I'm of the opinion that he's totally washed up, but if he wants to come to training camp and prove us wrong, he's welcome to do that.

We would lose a little leverage in our attempt to "lowball" Saras into taking a buyout, since if we signed Payton we'd need a roster spot (we would be at 16 with payton and pietrus' qualifying offer) before the season starts.

And Saras can still play, as evidenced by his Euro performances...Payton has been done for a couple years now. His value is strictly as a novelty and "hometown" heartwarmer.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Sep 8, 2007 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i heart GP

Gary Payton was my favorite player for the better part of a decade, but I have to agree with the others. Sentimentality is probably the majority of the value he'd bring to the team. While I agree that he could teach Monta, I think Baron's setting an excellent on-court example as it is.

by mojo X on Sep 8, 2007 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Dee Brown

would be a much better addition than GP. All GP puts an effort in is trash talking.

by unblinded on Sep 8, 2007 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

on a different note...

What if Ricardo Sanchez Rosa was "downtown" tonight? Do you guys think we could use him?? Would be getting crowded at the 4 and 5 position?

by streetballer on Sep 8, 2007 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm

Well I watched Puerto Rico two or three times during the FIBA Americas Championship and I can't say that he really stuck out to me. I'm sure they must have liked what they saw if they are bringing him in for a look.

Looks like he's a legit 7 footer and honestly it wouldn't take much to be our second best player 7 foot or taller. If he came in to camp and impressed I could see them cutting POB outright to make a spot for him. Just looking at his stats it looks like he likes to shoot the three and is probably more of an outside player offensively.

Maybe someone can shed some light on this guy. Anyone have a better feel for this guys game? Can he rebound? Can he defend NBA centers? Is he even a center? I don't see a weight listed for him.

by olympicmike on Sep 8, 2007 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

2006-2007 season NBA development

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/ricky_sanchez/game_by_game_stats.html

by streetballer on Sep 8, 2007 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

oops...my bad

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2007/players/index.jsp?player=carlos_powell

Our own summer leaguer is downtown.

by streetballer on Sep 9, 2007 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It becomes a choice between Payton, Pierce or

Bailey or someone else under the radar. Barring a trade of course.

Assuming at least one of either MP2 or Sarunas comes back, there will be one roster spot. Would you rather use that for? An "upside" guy like Pierce or someone who has demonstrated an ability to contribute by playing to his strengthis in Bailey or a one-year-at-best former great?

From a long-term basketball standpoint, I can't even start the conversation, much less formulate a reasonable argument as to how Payton would be a net-positive at this point.

The leadership/mentor argument is a difficult one to make, considering the personalities that dominate the locker room on this squad (read: Jackson/Baron).

In a nutshell: No thanks on GP.

by bloodsweatndonuts on Sep 8, 2007 8:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

bailey and pierce

won't make the warriors. GP has a better chance than they do. even that chance is slim imo.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Sep 9, 2007 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gary Payton interested in the Warriors?

Um... good for him? I don't think that the W's would be particularly interested in his services at this point (or at least they shouldn't be). Speaking purely sentimentally I would kind of like to see him in a dubs jersey but I don't think he has anything left. It would have been nice a few years ago but oh well... at least he can come to the Oracle and cheer the dubs on when he retires. lol.

by olympicmike on Sep 8, 2007 8:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree GP over Jasi

First off, to hell with GP's game, Im interested in him mentoring the youngster, Monta Ellis on the defensive end of the court. No doubt Ellis has the potential to become one of the best defensive gaurds in the league with his quickness and size.

Remember Kobe and Payton together about 5 yrs ago at the all star break? Kobe told the media that Payton was helping him gaurd smaller players and keep strong ball handlers in front of him. The next year Kobe had the best defensive year of his career, and he attributed his new technique and improvements to none other than the glove.

Not to mention D-Wade's announcement last off-season that he was going to work with Payton and improve greatly on his defense.

Besides, whats it going to hurt having a prideful vet who isnt afraid to scrap come playoff time? I dont know how he and Baron would get along or he and Jax since they both share that fire...but I am sure these men have alot of respect for eachother.

Let him teach Monta how to be a lock down, and let him be our insurance agent. Who here would agree with me on this?

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Sep 8, 2007 8:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

the mentor schtick

First of all, we're not so good that we can waste a roster spot on a guy who can't play...and it's been fairly established that Payton can't play anymore

Second, mentoring? don't we already have Baron and Nellie to mentor Baron?

Third, if we want Payton to be a mentor...let's just hire him as an assistant coach, or hire him as an offseason trainer for Ellis.

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Sep 8, 2007 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont think

GP cant fill out our roster. The man can still shoot and he knows every angle of the game. As far as mentoring goes, Im not sure you see exactly what I mean. Baron's too busy running the team to be worried about Monta's improvement, and Nelson's not going to make Ellis a better defender.

For the mininum K, offer the guy a contract, let the old man push Monta to be a better player, let him holler at the youngster in practice and on the bench. I really think he can make him a better player. He's made other star player's better in this department.

I think Monta would relate to him more than Baron or Nellie anyways, and if you believe as I do that Ellis is part of our future, then it would be wise to assign all the help you can, before the upcoming off-season. A locker room presence, a teacher, someone who can push the young guys in practice... why wouldnt you do that, instead of a guy who rides the pine and doest make anyone else better in Jasi?

Payton doesnt want to be an assistant coach for GS. He wants to do that in Seattle. I thought he was very clear on that.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Sep 8, 2007 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

payton

First of all...Payton can still shoot? His FG% was 39%. His 3p% was 26%. You want to hand him an excuse, say he didn't get consistent playing time?

Fine.

His FT% was 66.7%, worst of his career. Any explanation for that? Gary Payton cannot "still shoot".

Second, what evidence do you have that Baron/Nellie don't help Ellis improve? Isn't that speculation, just like it's speculation that Payon would be willing/able to help Ellis?

Third, how do you know who Ellis will relate to better? Payton's far older than Baron, so there is a generational gap (he's 40)

Fourth, Nellie yells at players plenty in practice- we certainly don't need help in that department. If Ellis needs ANOTHER guy to yell at him, then we need to seriously think about whether he's got his head on straight.

Fifth, giving Kobe a tip isn't the same as giving Motna Ellis a tip.

Sixth, if Payton doesn't want to be a coach for us, then so be it. He can head up to Seattle for however long they still have a team up there.

Seventh...Saras can play better than Payton at this point, although I suspect (hope) neither will be on the roster come October

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Sep 8, 2007 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

first of all...

the FIRST thing I said is to hell with Payton's game. He's 39. Obviously the cat cannot still ball at this level, or else he would not be considering retirement. But I wont number all the reasons why I still back up GP coming to Oakland for a season like u did.

Being a Oakland native, I have pride in my city and would love for Gary to come back to the town and give whatever he has left. Ive always admired him as a player. I take pride in a hall of famer coming out of my city, as I hope most Warrior fans should.

SO WHAT if he yells at Monta during practice. Thats a good thing. What is this? last time I checked it was a mans league, and if your name aint chris webber, you shouldnt have problems with a hall of fame coach or player telling you what to do... But I could see why you would take that as a bad thing. (by the way, Nelson says hes toned it way down. Stop speculating)

I didnt say Nelson and Baron wont help Ellis improve. They have already obviously. Stop taking everything literally when I know that you know what I mean. Has Baron taken Ellis aside and spent hours with him after practice? I dont know.
Has Nelson put in the time too? Probably, but you or I still dont know any of that.

ALL I SAID, read carefully.

I would rather have GP for ONE/his last season, rather than Jasi.

Why?

Because I believe that Payton can work with Ellis, and improve his defensive game dramatically to a point where Ellis now impacts the game with his on-the-ball defense. We dont know if Gary can instill a pride in Ellis as well as a knowledge that could make him a great defender for the rest of his career. But it has happened with other players in the past...

and Jasi will not play for us. Nelson has refused to play him even when we were short and played a 7 man rotation. What makes you think Jasi will play at all next year? I wouldnt give a damn if Payton didnt play next year, but I do want his presence and paying 3 mil less for a bench player would be nice too...u think?

Age means absolutely nothing at all. I relate to people twice my age more than alot of people I know that are my own age. Times change, the people stay the same.

I said that he would relate to Payton better, because I believe that they share a similiar personality. And at this point in his career, Baron has much more to focus on rather than Ellis' individual benefit. At this point in Payton's career, he has ALL to offer Ellis. Gary's responsibilities on our team would be minimal.

If anything, Payton being old enough to be Ellis' father would be a plus, as I, as well as many other young men listen to those who have a wealth of life experience, rather than someone 6 yrs older than them.

How do you know Payton just gave Kobe a tip?
I mentioned that because Kobe said himself that Gary has helped him improve as a player. They WERE on the same team. Why would it matter if its Kobe or Ellis Payton's preaching to? Anyone could improve from a mulitple first team defender.

Player's have bad shooting years, and they have good ones, it comes and goes. That doesnt make anyone a bad shooter. Once youve got a shot, it stays with you for most of your natural life. Ryan Howard is about to set a record for strike outs this season. Does that make him a bad batter? Fact is, you nor I know who will have a good or bad shooting year. I would have loved to hear your reaction last year if I bumped into you and told you that Barnes would light up the stat sheet like he did this year. Youd tell me to go f*** myself. Doesnt matter.

Dont mean to sound rude or anything and I hope you dont take offense to this, but everytime I seem to have a discussion with u about ball... you got this lil smart ass attitude like you know so much more than the next guy. Whats with that?

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Sep 8, 2007 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

payton

1. You specifically said that "the man can still shoot". That is clearly not the case. The free throw line hasn't changed in a while, and there's no defense. If a decline in his ability to shoot a stationary shot from a distance he's shot from a billion times doesn't evidence that he can't shoot anymore...well...

It's not fair to chalk it up to a singular bad year either, given that his FG% and 3P% have been horrible the past two years.

Beyond shooting, the rest of his game has noticeably fallen off as well: fewer steals and more fouls mean less athleticism; almost no FTA's mean his speed/quickness with the ball have pretty much disappeared. He's 40 years old; no shame in being a worse player now than he used to be.

It's great that you have pride in Oakland. Props. But that does not take the place of analyzing whether Payton will help the team or not.
You believe Payton can help Ellis. You're entitled to that belief. I disagree with it. It may or may not have happened in the past, but that's only minimally probative that it will happen here.
I don't know what Kobe got from Payton. Neither do you. Therefore we have no idea whether doing the same thing will help Ellis or not; anything further is, again, speculation on your part.
Age doesn't matter. Speculation on my part, sure. Your overriding point, though, is that Payton will somehow add something to Ellis' game; more than what he has already gotten or will get from resources we already have, including but not limited to Baron and Nellie.
Saras v. Payton. Not the best comparison given Saras' situation with the team and Payton a mere rumor at this point. It's only relevant because Saras is currently holding on to a roster spot and Payton would be taking one away from someone else (whether Pierce, Bailey, POB, whomever).
Me. Any attitude you believe I have is inference on your part; I highly doubt I'll be able to talk you into "liking" me or thinking differently, so I won't bother. If you want to get to know me, you're free to IM me as a number of members have, email me, or buy me a drink. Any of those means will suffice.

By way of explanation, however, I will say that I post unequivocally because I believe I am right. I generally look things up before I post; when I don't, I'll say so. U can usually tell when I'm serious or not based on how I type; when I use "u" instead of "you", u can guess how hard I'm trying. Ditto on the grammar and capitalization.

If I realize I am wrong, or it is shown that I am wrong, I will say that I will wrong (typo, missed fact, misunderstanding, me being an idiot, as in some CBA affairs). If I have changed my position, I will say why I have done so (i.e. Rasheed).

That's all there is on me, anything else can be discussed elsewhere, as this diary is about Payton

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Sep 8, 2007 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok

I guess we can just agree to disagree then.

You dont think Payton can help Ellis. I think he can.

Its not that I dont like you, I just want to know why you approach arguements like that. I have know clue who you are and I have no window in your lifestyle. Im not judging you, I just look at whats given.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Sep 8, 2007 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually

To distill my position a bit more:

I don't want to bet a roster spot that Payton will help the team (Ellis included).

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Sep 9, 2007 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I figured

that was a big part of your position in the first place... my take, we're probably gonna run an 8 man rotation anyways so whats the 15th spot. God forbid someone gets injured, or two or even three... but even if 3 players were out at a time, we'd still have twelve more guys to run...4 more than we need...

Im not saying a roster spot isnt a beautiful thing, cuz it is... Im just not sure if its a make or break in our situation.

Anyways, I think you bring up good points and I'd read your postings over 95% of the people on here...and more than not, Ill agree with what u got to say. Dont think I dont appreciate what u got to say cuz I do, even if i think u act like an encyclopedia sometimes.

This is my team There are many like it But this one is mine. My team, without me is useless. Without my team, I am useless

by BlueNgoldBlood on Sep 9, 2007 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Baron's health

Until otherwise proven, Baron is a 60 game player. Ellis isn't ready.

The need for a 3rd PG who can play is higher for us than with a healthy lead guard; it's much harder for us to blow a roster spot on a GP to chase his "mentoring" than it is for a veteran team or healthier team.

Obviously a 3rd guard wont be a stud, but a guy that can actually suit up and give us 15minutes (Payton can't do that) if it came to it would be nice.

Unless you guys wanna see Jackson as a PG...

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Sep 9, 2007 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i detect no smart ass attitude

not really my argument, just wanted to jump in.

dont take it personally, blue n gold. If hes wrong, just simply SHOW him hes wrong, and then thats that. its just arguing. thats how i take it, at least

by jrizzle on Sep 9, 2007 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i would loveee gp

depending on the contract. his athletic ability is all but gone but he still is extremely savvy, smart and clutch. would make a great backup for 10 to 15 minutes a game. we'd basically use him like the lakers used ron harper in the beginning of their championship runs.

by dso on Sep 8, 2007 11:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

do it

so what if hes old...he'll give our guys guidence and stuff and we'll get him for cheap..while you're at it bring back cwebb too!

by djchuckdeez on Sep 9, 2007 2:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

i say let him wear the uniform for a day

that way, we can buy GP G-State jerseys, then he can retire and lead our community programs.

skyline high, baby!

by OaktownWarrior on Sep 9, 2007 8:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Gary Payton

is way too old...he's gone selfish and chucks up shots whenever he gets the chance.

by mistererickk on Sep 9, 2007 10:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

give GP sum luv

I was hoping we could've gotten the Glove about 7 years ago. At the time, we really needed the toughness and the attitude at the point guard position. We already have that with Baron and Ellis coming up.

I'm not really sure if getting GP would make much sense. Having said that, I wouldn't mind having him so long he accepts hanging out at the bench, playing a mentor role for Monta, at the bare minimum contract, playing maybe 10 minutes a game. If he shows any signs of greediness or disruption, then NO WAY to GP.

However, I've always had respect for him. Wish we had the old GP cuz he was SiCK bAck iN thE dAy!

Where the !@#$ are you now, Billy Owens????

by Manute4Three on Sep 11, 2007 2:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/DimeMagazine/2007/09/09/Golden_State_of_Mind

I noticed this article while browsing foxsports.com. I was wondering if you guys wrote it or if they indeed decided to just jack your site name. Foxsports.com has always been lacking.

by ThermoElectro on Sep 11, 2007 3:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs