Warriors $2.1 Million Trade Exception Expires Tomorrow

by Atma Brother ONE on Jan 16, 2008 9:54 AM PST in News Comment 11 comments

Tomorrow is not only the 1 year anniversary of the Indiana pillage, but also the deadline for the Warriors to use their trade exception obtained from the trade. A little bit more after the jump!

GSoM friend Marcus Thompson has got you covered with the details [Bay Area News Group]:

The $2.1 million trade exception the Warriors got in exchange for forward Ike Diogu expires Thursday.

Diogu was part of that eight-played trade with Indiana on Jan. 17, 2007, which landed the Warriors forwards Jackson and Al Harrington . But Diogu's part of the trade was officially a separate transaction, allowing the Warriors to get the exception.

This trade exception is pretty small, but with a lot of teams like the Bucks, Bulls, Heat, Nuggets, Cavaliers, Kings, SuperSonics, Trail Blazers, Rockets, Lakers, Hornets, and Knicks possibly looking to deal [Trade Talk: Ten Teams to Watch - TrueHoop] maybe it'll come in handy.

Do you see any creative ways the Warriors can use their $2.1 million trade exception before it expires tomorrow?

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what happens...

when a trade exception expires? Is it just wasted away or does it go back to something?

SHOOT THE J! SHOOT IT!

by slipnslide on Jan 16, 2008 10:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'm

Probably going to get some haters on this one, and I'm not entirely sure it works (it did in trade machine), but I think an "under the radar" guy would be better to get than using this trade exception on a veteran. The Warriors do better when they're the underdog.

A guy that intrigued me coming out of college was Leon Powe. He hasn't really gotten a chance to play in Boston this year and lord knows they could use salary cap relief, however small it is.

His per/40 numbers are pretty good and I think he'd make a serviceable backup at the 4 spot. He's not a terrific shooter and does have a rather high amount of turnovers, but he is good at what we would need him to do. Lots of rebounds and respectable free throw percentage. He is also very athletic and runs the floor well. He was a beast at Cal and is from the Bay (Oakland, I think). He was injury prone coming out of college but seems like he's been pretty well preserved riding the pine for Boston.

I could see him playing more than Brandan Wright since he is physically much more mature than Brandan. I also think he'd be a good player for Wright to go up against in practice and it would teach him how to muscle up.

This is a guy that fits into our plans for NOW, as well as the future. Beans, BWright and Powe have the potential to be a very explosive front court.

by BALLINelli on Jan 16, 2008 10:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

yup

i can get behind this

i've been campaigning for months to bring Powe and House back to the Bay!

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by nativeson on Jan 16, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It goes away

For 2.1 mil, I'm not sure what the W's can do that will be productive without giving away draft picks. only single players can be traded, so they can't really make a package deal, and the more glaring need of a low post presence on O and D probably won't be filled by the value of the TPE.

That said, and looking at Kawakami's thoughts on who the Warriors can grab, I'm not convinced that a big blockbuster trade is necessarily good. Looking ahead, the Warriors have some tough decisions to make after this year. Barnes and Pietrus are Unrestricted FA's, and you'd havta think they'll be gone. Baron and Monta are due some big money, and the flexibility the W's have with the cap right now is the envy of a lot of teams in the league. Instead of trying to grab a top level big and eating a lot of salary, I think the three man rotation of Beans Al and Croshere in the front court might work well enough. Croshere was the only W who had any real effect on O'Neal the other night, and is strong enough, hopefully maybe, to provide more stout D in the low post. Offensively, no one is going to argue the W's don't score enough, and it's really not worth breaking the bank or giving up a great young player like Monta to earn a little bit more D, when offensively the Warriors can't gain much more. Maybe this should've been a diary, but I'm afraid Mullin will make a panic trade because the deadline is coming, and will give up more than they could possibly get back given the type of talent that'll be available. I'd rather see them unload some expiring contracts for some draft picks, and to focus on re-signing baron and monta after this season.

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by sfwarriorcvg on Jan 16, 2008 10:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

rofl

OH NO!

EVERYBODY PANIC!

by xcoma on Jan 16, 2008 10:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

value

the small amount of this TPE belies it's value - we can take back a bigger contract trading a $3m player for a $5m player could help.

that said, it'll likely evaporate now ...

by hardcore on Jan 16, 2008 11:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't work

Actually this is not legal under the CBA. The exception can only be traded by itself, not in combination with a player. It'd be cool if we used the exception to get a young cheapie with upside. Powe is a guy that seems like we could use and is actually a good fit for Nellie Ball since he has some handles as we saw when he occasionally lead his own break at Cal. Kirk Snyder is another guy I have always liked and Houston needs to shed a couple million in salary to get under the luxury tax threshold. The Ws have to cut someone to make room on their roster though. I guess they could cut Troy Hudson, but I'm not sure they are ready to do that.

by SilkySmooth on Jan 16, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

guaranteed contracts

Now the only player thats not guaranteed is CJ Watson. So all other players can't be cut without either paying their contracts in full or them agreeing to a buyout. Now if we did this to T-Hud we would have to pay his full contract instead of half, like now with the league paying the other half. This is why we haven't cut him yet because it would cost us more to cut him. Now saying this it's make more sense that we will not being useing at least this TPE.

by Psion on Jan 16, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

TPE

It can't be combined with a player like you are saying. It can be used with daft picks, but not with a player. I'm wondering if it can be combined with our other TPE to give us over 12 million to take back. No saying we should take back that much salary, I'm just curious.

by Psion on Jan 16, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No

TPEs can't be combined.

by olympicmike on Jan 16, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

defer to JAE on this, but

I didn't say we were combining TPE with anything - I was saying we could have taken back more salary using the space ...

moot with the $2m TPE that evaporated, but relevant to the Richardson-trade $9.9m

for reference only, a recent post from JAE on another thread is instructive here:

Here's the reality: Our TPE allows us to make a trade for any player making less than that. We can send out whatever we want in return, players, picks, chewing gum futures. The thing is that nothing we send out increases the value of what we can bring back USING the TPE. I say using, not trading because we don't trade a TPE. It's a cap space we currently have. We can use it.

The 'can't be combined' references only trying to combine it to bring on a player making more than the exception. It does not mean we cannot use the TPE in a trade involving a player on our end. It just means that the player's salary essentially means nothing to us.

The team on the other end has to make whatever we send out fit. If it's just picks, it's never a problem. They can also absorb players up to the value of whatever we receive because they won't be gaining salary. If we took an $8million player from someone, they'd instantly have an $8million TPE of their own to receive anything from us. They could take any part of that back instantly.

Effectively, we could trade a 2nd rounder to a team for their up-to $10mil player, giving them an exception of that size. They can turn around and take player(s) making up to that amount (but potentially less and never more) from us for that same 2nd rounder. We could take on A $7mil Maggette for a $600k Azubuike (I am not saying this is a good trade, just a legal one). Effectively, it's a single trade, even if the cap mechanics to make it kosher regard it as two trades.

The ESPN trade machine is not close to 100% accurate. It has problems with some of the issues surrounding exceptions. It's very good at calculating 125%+100k, not that this is particularly difficult, but not so good at anything else. It's not so good at figuring out if a single trade can be broken into multiple simultaneous trades that are legal using existing exceptions. It appears to fail in anything using the TPE from Richardson currently. It's a good start if your math ain't so hot, and many proposals that fail are failures, but that's not a given. There are ways around the limitations it imposes though.

by hardcore on Jan 20, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs