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Recap: Warriors 104, Hornets 116- Stormy Weather

The storms and winds hit Northern California today really hard. It was a rare unpleasant day in the beautiful Bay today and the Warriors didn't exactly provide that bright, shining rainbow after the rain.

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Oh it was raining in Northern California. It just wasn't raining game.

Final Boxscore

Make sure to head on over to Hornets247.com to see what our friends in the big easy thought about the game: The Hornets beat the Warriors

In case for some strange reason you haven't had enough, make the jump for more stormy weather.

Track of the Day: Ray Luv featuring Tha Outlawz- "Stormy Weather"
(We takin' you way back!)

Star-divide

There are next to no positives to take from this Warrior loss on their home floor, but I will say this:

  • For the 1st 3 quarters of this game I thought Baron Davis was winning the star PG battle against Chris Paul. BD was scoring more, playing tougher D, and looked like a more savvy vet. The 4th quarter was a different story of course.

  • Al Harrington shot the ball extremely well tonight. He had a few nice finishes and jumpers to complement his 5 treys that came at a nice 62.5% rate.

  • Stephen Jackson's shooting was off all night, but he made a good effort finding his teammates and creating for Andris Biedrins in particular. His 9 dimes tonight were no joke.

  • Andris Biedrins as usual did an excellent job cutting to the whole and finishing for two. His teammates did a nice job finding him.

  • He didn't shoot the ball all that well, but I though Mickael Pietrus put in some good minutes off the bench. He made a beautiful block on a seemingly gimme Peja Stojakovic layup which led to an easy BD score on the other end.

  • The Warriors 39 fast break points to the Hornets 12 are the only thing that kept them in this game. It's odd that their usual spark plug on the fast break Ellis only had 3 points all night, yet the Warriors were able to still have so much success in this area. That's a good sign in case of emergency (i.e. employee #8 not showing up to work).


This game wasn't worth the drive to the Oracle.

Attack of the Killa Bees
No this ain't a shout out to the Wu-Tang Clan (although that's always perfectly acceptable on GSoM- C.R.E.A.M.). It's a run down of the Hornets that bugged the Dubs like no other tonight:

David West: Let's hope he recovers from that hip injury because this guy is a pleasure to watch. I walked away very impressed. Through less than 3.5 quarters David Wessyde absolutely destroyed the Warriors with his spins, jumpers, and damage inside. His final stat line was 20 points (8-14 FG and 4-5 FT), 4 boards, and 3 assists. You hate/have to wonder what his line would've looked like if he finished the 4th. You hate/have to wonder by how many more points the Hornets would've blown out the Warriors by.

Tyson Chandler: Chandler was quiet simply a BEAST. He exposed the Warriors interior softness and inability to box him out big time tonight. He walked away with a superstar stat line of 22 points and 22 boards and you have to admire his hustle even it he looks like he's going to easily lead the league 3 second violations. Tyson has arrived and the Bulls messed up big time by giving him away pretty much for free. Horri-bull.

Chris Paul: Tonight's highly anticipated All-Star match up centered at the point guard and for the first 3 quarters of the game I thought Boom Dizzle stood head and shoulders above Paul. CP3 didn't look strong and big enough for the match up. However by the time the 4th quarter rolled around Baron seemed to run out of gas (playing 46 minutes and asked to be the team's shut down defender on Paul and even give help on West, while running the offense and being the team's #1 scoring option is just a little bit too much to ask... just a "little") and CP3 ran the Hornets' offense brilliantly and really took over.

The main difference between Paul and BD? Paul gets to play with a 2 Legit 2 Quit (Pick Up the Hammer!) big man tandem in Tyson Wessyde plus a lights out shooter in Predrag. Give BD a 4 who can create his own shot down low, a 5 who controls the boards and is a tough, rugged defender, and an assassin from downtown and I doubt he has to play 46 minutes tonight and runs out of gas. Instead Baron doesn't have a single low post option to dump the ball into, has to draw 2-3 defenders before his starting 5 can score, and dishes out to wide open, high volume 3pt shooters in Stephen Jack, Matt Barnes, and Pietrus and it's anyone's guess if it's going to go in on any given night. Starting alongside an undersized 2-guard in Monta who didn't show up offensively or defensively tonight doesn't exactly make Baron's job any easier either.

This is a match up where you'd really like Monta to step up and be able to guard Paul or at least hang with him. #8 did none of the above and just isn't in CP3's or even Deron Williams' league. Hopefully the Warriors remember that when they're planning on this mythically bright future that they're selling their fans on.

Peja Stojakovic: Peja looks slower than ever and I can't remember his dribble being so hesitant or clunky, but the man can still drain the trifecta with his slightly awkward flipping release. He's an ideal outside shooter to pair with guys who do their damage down low (Chandler and West) and a penetrating PG in Paul. I can see what the Hornets were thinking when they inked him to that big money deal 2 summers ago. Not saying it was the best contract given his injury history and limitations, but I can see what they were thinking.


The storms brought in some killa bees too.

Just like Eric B and Rakim, these killa bees ain't no joke. They're legit and they're very well constructed. I think their lack of depth is going to hurt them as the season progresses, but if these guys make it to the playoffs which they should- watch out. The Hornets have a good thing going here and if they can stay healthy and avoid fatigue (no easy task), they're going to be very successful. They are 1-2 solid bench guys from being a real force in the West for years to come. Unfortunately, I don't know if I can really say the same about the Warriors.


Questions

Aside from the dominating second quarter effort where the Warriors looked good on offense and were playing shut down D, this was a pretty bad performance all-around. It's becoming a broken record

  • The biggest question of all- where was Monta tonight?

  • Why does Monta seem to struggle so much when the other team has a quick or talented PG (even when he's not matched up against him)? I'm taking about your Chris Pauls, Deron Williams, Devin Harris', etc.

  • Are you honestly surprised the Warriors got hammered on the glass? (Warriors- 35, Hornets- 45) Is anyone really that surprised the West and Chandler dominated the Warriors?

  • If Biedrins is a future star and a player the Warriors are going to dedicate a huge chunk of their payroll to in the not too distant future, shouldn't he able to win the match up against or at least hang with guys like Tyson Chandler? Is he ever going to be a capable one on one defender against opposing 4's and 5's? Chandler's good, but he's not 22-22 good.

  • Why did Nellie start Brandan Wright if he didn't feel comfortable having him match up against Tyson Chandler or David West? Did he really think putting Wright on Mo Pete was a good idea? Actually GSoM friend Tim Kawakami has some answers for you on this one over at Talking Points: Brandan Wright, Nellie and the Warriors: It's a start I wasn't all that impressed with Wright's first meaningful minutes in a long time, but it's way too early for me to really say much here. In the back of my mind I'm still a little terrified we have Joe Smith part II here though. I'm not exactly sure why. I just have this feeling.

  • Why did the Warriors forget that Peja can shoot 3's with his eye closed? The rotations to him were late all night long. If you give this guy so much as a milisecond to get a good look his quick release is going to kill you on most nights. The Warriors gave him megaseconds tonight. (Sorry bad joke.)

  • What can Nellie really do to avoid playing Baron Davis 46 minutes and Stephen Jackson 42 minutes with the roster he has right now?

  • What exactly does Patrick O'Bryant do in practice?

  • How much longer before the front office wakes up and corrects their offseason misses? They've left Nellie incredibly empty handed and forced this cast of Warriors into roles they don't fit into.


Somewhere in Between

Nellie was saying the other day on The Don Nelson show on KNBR that he doesn't think the Warriors were as good as their 19-7 record (as of Thursday). I'd have to agree and tonight's bad loss to a team they need to compete with or hopefully dominate them at home in Oakland really supports that. I don't think the Warriors are as bad as they looked tonight. They're somewhere in between and that between area leaves them as a fringe playoff team that might barely make it into the loaded Western Conference playoff bracket for most likely a quick first round out. I think even Beyonce would advise- this roster needs an UPGRADE.

Baron Davis isn't consistently an efficient enough scorer to be counted on as the #1 scoring option. Asking him nightly to quarterback the squad, shut down the opposing team's top guard (Monta gives him no help here), and lead the team in scoring is just a ridiculous burden to put on one player. Similarly asking Stephen Jackson to shut down the team's best scorer regardless of whether they're a guard or big man plus be the second scoring option is just asking too much. I'd venture to say that Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins wouldn't start on over half the teams in the league. Al Harrington is your typical gimmick Nellie player off the bench- sometimes he's one of the main reasons the Warriors win and other times he really, really struggles. Matt Barnes, Kelenna Azubuike, and Mickael Pietrus are all really, really inconsistent. You have no idea what you're going to get from them. They're either hot or cold.

Welcome to mediocreville.


Mediocreville is going to be a little watery for the rest of the weekend.


It's feels strange awarding this prestigious honor after such a lackluster performance, but there's one Warrior who should out from the rest. Tonight's award goes to the legendary Cal Ripken-like, staple of Warriors basketball... Tom Abdenour! When Hornets forward David West fell down in pain with what looked like a very, very painful hip injury Abdenour raced the length of the court from the Dubs' bench to lend a helping hand. Gotta give it up to the Hall of Famer!


Another Hall of Fame performance!

Photos: Jay Solmonson/Tri-Valley Herald, AP Photo/Ben Margot, Laura Morton for SF Chronicle, Renée Fernandes/NATA

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a veteran move by a veteran trainer

by dj fuzzylogic on Jan 5, 2008 12:01 PM PST   0 recs

Problems/Solutions
I think we were all a bit surprised that NO manhandled us so easily last night.  Not a good portent.  But, there are answers -- and some are being instituted now.

First, good move by Nellie to start BW, who wasn't great but was good enough to show he needs to keep playing.  Nellie says he will.  If Coach sticks to his guns here, it'll all pan out for the better.  My guess is that after BW starts developing the confidence that comes with playing regularly, we're going to see something special -- perhaps even this year.

Second, two games in a row now that BD has absolutely lost it (and the W's the game) at the start of the 4th Q.  Not his fault: Nellie's GOT to get him off the floor.  BD said after that it was tough chasing CP around for "48 minutes" -- and, indeed, BD played 46 minutes (again, Ugggh!).  But Paul, who was terrific in the 4th Q, played only 35 minutes.  (And BD, who's a lot "older" than CP, needs more rest, whether Nellie -- and we -- like it or not.)  Now, if BD had had to play only 35 minutes, do you think he might have had more (anything, really) in the tank at crunch time?  Two games in a row that BD's died at the end.  If this continues, we're dead.

What's the answer: GET A GOOD BACK UP POINT.  How?  Trade MP and/or POB and the trade exception for just about anyone -- except Smush.  Stoudamire's probably the best option, but Nellie and Mully need to put their heads together and get this done now.  Monta isn't there (see below) and Jack can only do it in short spots.  We need someone to play 10-12 minutes EVERY game (5-6 minutes spanning Qs 1-2 and 3-4, it's that simple).

Third, Jack is now starting to wear down, too.  Tho he conserves energy more effectively than BD, he's still playing far too many minutes.  (4-15 last night is less and less an aberation; he's still a good passer, but we need his shooting, too.)  More BW play should help out here, since BW can be expected to play some 3, at least until he bulks up in a year or two.  So Jack's minutes must be cut, too.  And I'm not just talking about long-term, next year: these guys won't make it to April at this rate and the competition has never been better.

Fourth, Monta needs coaching.  He's back to playing in streaks.  When he's on, he's terrific.  But when (as in the past week) he's off, he just disappears.  Nellie properly pulls him early, but maybe Monta is not handling that well.  Keith Smart should be living inside Monta's pants, keeping him properly focused and training him how to play when the opponent puts a really good point on the floor (speaking of points, good oner on this issue, Atma).  And while we're talking twos, what's up with KAZ lately?  Smart should be focusing in on him too.

Fifth, you can't carp on AB for last night, just because Chandler went off (and got 22 rebounds).  AB was 10-11, pulled down 9 boards, himself, and was the only W (not unusual) down low on defense working against three guys.  If Nellie is going to allow his Center to play defense alone down low, he's got to get Mbenga into the game more often.  Tho he slows down the offense, Mbenga is a wide body who is effective on defense and can give AB a break from having to carry the defense on his back.  As good as BD and Jack have been this year, I shudder to think where we'd be without Andris: he's the ONLY W down low, taking a beating night after night, his great hands are back, he and Jack have perfected that PNR, he leads the league in shooting percentage, he's always in good position on offense AND defense, and his attitude is uniformly terrific.

Finally, let's note that, like the Mavs, NO played very well last night.  They were hitting their shots and they out-quicked us in the end.  I'd like to think that with a longer bench we'll ultimately prevail.  But I'm sure that if we keep playing seven, and larding 40-45 minutes a night on BD and Jack, we'll all be watching other teams in the playoffs this Spring.  Nellie seems to finally have grasped this; now Mully's just got to get his a good back up point.  Let's see what happens.

by johnl on Jan 5, 2008 1:47 PM PST   0 recs

I don't think...
...Stoudamire can be that guy, because he's not agood enough defender. Our offense would drop off enormously from Baron to Stoudamire anyways, but the loss of D would be brutal.

I'm more and more coming around to OZ's suggestion of Sebastian Telfair. I hope he can still be had. Would Pietrus/POB get it done? They could use a guy as big/athletic as POB to pair with Jefferson, who doesn't have legit center size.

by Zack Vank on Jan 5, 2008 2:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Agreed
wholeheatedly on all points.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Jan 5, 2008 5:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I like that Nelson started
BW but then he puts him on Peterson and JAX on West which seemed odd to me

Give the kid a chance to be around the basket and play in postion

Its like he simply can't give a straight match-up

by Zig on Jan 5, 2008 6:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

come on
biedrins is not soley at fault for chandler going off like he did. most of the time biedrins was trying to cover someone other than his man because the defense on the perimiter was non existant. of course this leaves chandler open to dominate the glass. biedrins deserved warrior wonder

by AJC3317 on Jan 5, 2008 2:23 PM PST   0 recs

I think,,,
...that the recap is too hard on Biedrins. Who beside Baron was better last night than Andris? Given how much hard work he has to do with little to no help, I think to blame him for Chandler's great night is a little hasty. I would say overall the front page articles over the start to this season have been a little hard on Biedrins, from mentions of Andris having an "ugly" game, to saying he shouldn't be extended, to referring to the Warriors interior D as "Charmin soft," which while it doesn't specifically mention him can be viewed as an indictment of AB.

Also, I don't know what wouldn't impress about Wright's start, seeing as he only played five minutes. Rather, I understand if it isn't scintillating, but I can't see what about his start wouldmake somebody nervous. 3 points, 3 rebounds, 5 minutes. Missed a perimeter jumper, got in on a fast break. Pretty decent all told.

by Zack Vank on Jan 5, 2008 2:51 PM PST   0 recs

our bigs
I disagree completely with all the hate on our bigs.

The focus of our offense has always been Baron and Jackson, who take the largest chunk of our shots. The offense gives them this freedom and is designed to give them those opportunities- not to mention Nellie insists on running them into the ground with regular 40+ minute stints.

Harrington CAN create his own shot- low block, midrange, elbow extended. We just don't make a concerted effort to give him the ball.

Last night Biedrins got 20 and 9 in a mere 32 minutes, only missing one shot. I thought he played pretty solid defense when asked to step out on the quicker David West, as well. Really, how do you defend against that blind Paul-Chandler lob? Only if you smother Paul and deny him that pass or have a telepathic weakside defender to come interrupt Chandler's cut, it's damn near impossible.

Even Brandan Wright was ridiculously productive- 5 and 4 in 7 minutes.

That you're complaining about the quality of our bigs only underscores your faulty motives and analysis. They are not the problem- the team's use of the bigs is the problem.

Chandler doesn't have many offensive moves; West does. Both, however combined for 42 points because their team was geared at forcefeeding them the ball in a position where they could do something with hit.

While you're bitching about needing a stalwart defensive big man, check out West and Chandler's dominating defensive stats: 1 block in 74 minutes.

Yeah, hand out the defensive player of the year award to one of them.

David West got 4 boards. Yippie, I guess he sucks?

Those who paid attention will tell you that AB/Al did not spend nearly enough time on the court together, and very often AB is the only guy trying to rebound. Everyone else stands around.

The real solution is to keep Harrington at power forward NEXT to Biedrins, play them TOGETHER, and use Brandan Wright, Croshere when he's healthy, Mbenga, or POB...two bigs on the floor at the same time.

Harrington and Biedrins played 33 and 32 minutes respectively; West and Chandler played 33 and 41. Harrington and Biedrins outscored West and Chandler despite fewer minutes (44 to 42); Chandler's rebounding advantage is easily explained by more minutes and getting to crash the glass against Barnes and Pietrus, since the Warriors went small as usual and leaked out on the break before securing the rebound.

Chandler had the game of his life, but it wasn't like our bigs are crap. They just didn't get a chance.

You know who Stojakovic was dropping those points on? Not AB, not Wright, not Harrington...but Stephen Jackson, Matt Barnes, Mickael Pietrus. Yet our glorious leader doesn't have the stones to call them out in his glorious recap.

Asking Barnes and Pietrus to play PF and defend that position is just trouble.

Offensively, playing Barnes and Pietrus at PF just means we're even more perimeter oriented and stagnant. Unless they're on fire from 3p, they're useless.

Seriously, it's SO MUCH easier to whine about how the Warriors suck just like you "predicted" (obviously, we suck because we're not pushing the luxury tax), how the front office f-ed up this offseason, how our big men are horrible because you don't like them

Questioning Biedrins despite a fantastic night only demonstrates your bias against him for whatever reason. He drops 20 and 9 and OMG he can't beat Chandler? Remember when people thought he sucked because Kaman was dominating? Turns out Kaman dominated the whole freakin' league (who was it that said Kaman wasn't so bad? i think his initials were o.z.)

Brings some useful analysis instead of pushing your agenda. Your customers...er...fans...wait...readers deserve more. This is supposed to be a blog about the Golden State Warriors, yet it's becoming a blog about Golden State of Mind. If you want people to rock  your gear like the privilege you think it is for them, then give them something to actually be proud to rep and post worthwhile material.

A Golden state of mind Indeed.

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Jan 5, 2008 2:55 PM PST   0 recs

Wow, surprised
to read the author of this well-argued post was OZ.  Waving his flag, he makes a good point.  Although Harrington seemed to forget to box out several times, they can rebound when they want it bad enough.  This game reminded me of the Orlando one even though that was played at a much higher level.  We were able to cut the lead in the 3rd.  But, we didn't respond quickly enough to their reply in the 4th.  We need to want this.

by eshock on Jan 5, 2008 3:41 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I agree with you on the bigs point
Andris really is a good center and defending/rebounding center (even though I hate him).

But what you're suggesting is that, basically, Don Nelson gives up the small-ball format he's been touting all of his life. The man is way too tubborn to do that, especially in his twighlight days....it would basically be admitting he's wrong (which he is).

It raises and even bigger question: Would we be better without Don Nelson? Someone who will actually make these changes?

Anyway, the point of Atma pushing some sort of Agenda is correct, but aren't you also pushing an agenda? The OZ agenda? This recap isn't going to get him anywhere in selling T-Shirts, tickets for GSoM night, or getting buddies in the Warriors organization. Nor will it influence the Warriors in any of their descision making. It's simply Atma giving the analysis that he wants, on his website. It may be wrong, it may be bias, but the bottom line is that it's their site and their analysis.

And don't get me wrong, I think your analysis is way better (no offense Atma). I think the problem may be you looking at the different floor situations, and how different things may have happened, whereas Atma may just be looking at the starting lineups and the boxscore. But, at this point, I think I'm just getting in wayyyy over my head.

Tony.psd = Da Man

http://adonalobsessed.blogspot.com/

by Zorgon on Jan 5, 2008 6:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The OZ Agenda
The OZ Agenda is quite simple- post the best analysis you can. I think whatever AB1 posted was a pile of crap, and it's the same pile of crap he's been spewing before in the face of evidence to the contrary.

The GSoM store and SB nation advertising is supposed to pay for the running of GSoM, which includes tickets and such. Well, if the "writers" (loosely) are gonna go to the game, they should bring back something worthwhile. They haven't.

I do not ask for any money, I do not ask for attention, I do not bitch about how much trouble it is to come here and post. All I do is log in and contribute whatever I can. People can read what I write and judge whether it's worth reading or whether it has any value; I'm not hiding anywhere.

Do you want me to lie and say he's spot on, or tell the truth and point out how wrong it is? I've read the recap, and i'm offering my opinion, which is what the comment section is for.

If I were content to just be a faceless statistic that's another tick in the website hit counter (triggering more ad revenue, no doubt), I guess I could just order a new GSoM sweatshirt and continue to post crap like OMG THAT DUNK WAS AWESOME! YAY I GOT A CALENDER!

but i'm not a big fan of mediocrity.

Popularity is not a measure of quality.

SB Nation Quality Control

AIM: Jetforze

by OptionZero on Jan 5, 2008 6:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

although
I'm not hip to people's agendas on this board - I agree with OZ analysis of what plagues the W's. It's more poor coaching (distrust) and lackadasical play than anything else. The "standing around" and "leaking out" were on full display the other night.

by triplesix on Jan 6, 2008 12:01 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Warriors limitations
The thing about this loss, is that it does glaringly show our teams limitations.  We have clearly not been able to hang with the teams that can bully us and dominate us inside, and wear out our key player, our point guard.  Teams that can match up with us in this way have a clear advantage because they can continually get higher percentage shots than us.
They outrebounded us by 10.  That's not too surprising.  But, what the heck, they had 10 steals to our 3.  That is not acceptable, if we're going to be an upper echelon team.

In my opinion, they fix the issues by fixing the 2 worst problems that we have as a team.  

The number 2 problem we have is to find a point guard to spell Baron.  A bonafide 1.  I have a hard time saying that getting a good backup 1 is our biggest problem, when we've got such a good starting point guard.  We are so deep in 2's and 3's, and even 5's that don't fit.  We should be able to make a trade and get what we need to fill that spot.  This should be a doable fix.  I'm pretty sure Ellis or Bellinelli can't do this, although Ellis sure would be good if he made the mental commitment to do that.

I think the number 1 thing we have to fix is to get a 4/5 player who is a bruiser, wants to rebound, wants to play inside, do all the dirty work.  A Dennis Rodman type, we don't need his scoring, we need him to win the rebounding battle, defend any big man, and do all the little things.  This person would rotate in with Biedrins and Harrington, but be the enforcer of our team.  I think we have one possibility  in DJ Mbenga.  We should lock him in a video room and make him watch 48 hours of Dennis Rodmans career when he was with the Pistons and the Bulls.  DJ is such a physical specimen, and since he never played until he was 19, he is still learning.    I don't think we've tried him at the 4 at all, and I think Nellie should give that a shot now and then and see if he can dominate the boards and shut down a power forward or two.  Wright isn't ready for the bruiser role yet.  

by mayelamingi on Jan 5, 2008 3:36 PM PST   0 recs

Tyson Chandler's crowing
oh, did y'all catch tyson after his alleyoop dunk with all the starters off the floor in garbage time?  barnett was none too amused.  in a way, i think its great he's so proud of himself.  refs can't like it, and he depends on their mercy since he camps in the lane.

the dubs just need to get win 20.  they'll be okay.  we have the will to win.

by eshock on Jan 5, 2008 3:45 PM PST   0 recs

yeah...
I saw that, and I was none too amused either.  I was sitting there, thinking to myself, "why does NO still have their starters in?" when Tyson got the dunk and started raving to the first row at the Oracle.  Yeah, can't say that I'm a fan of him now.

by kinetic on Jan 5, 2008 6:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The Hornets loss
was weird. The Warriors completely went away from what was working for them in the first half - in the first half, they led the Hornets in points in the paint AND fast break points. They weren't taking many three-pointers (for them, at least) and really just were playing smart basketball.

Then, all of a sudden, they started taking those god-awfule pull-up threes in the third. I was sitting next to Marcus Thompson II of the BANG and he called it the worst shot in basketball. At least in the first half, the Dubs were shooting threes with some rhythm and within the offense.

As to why Monta didn't play well, I wrote about it in my Courtside Blog for the postgame .. he was ill.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Blogs/CourtsideBlog.asp?GAME_ID=21474&LEAGUE_CODE=NBA

You know .. Tim Kawakami and I had an interesting conversation about the Warriors' shooting coach .. 15/27 from the free-throw line is completely unacceptable. I know December went well from the line, but I don't understand how a home team did so poorly form the line last night.

by pree on Jan 5, 2008 4:55 PM PST   0 recs

Good points
But I continue to believe the biggest problem is playing BD and Jack far too many minutes -- and their dying in the second half (and 4th Q especially) the last few games is symptomatic of how things will be going real soon if Nellie doesn't start playing 8 guys for real.

OZ makes good points above, especially as to the starters -- which leaves Monta, Barnes and BW as 6,7 and 8, for me.  We've gotta package MP and POB and, frankly, anyone else, for a good back up point.  We need that more than anything now in order to get BD some bench time -- so he'll be strong at crunch time.  (I'd like Telfair, too, if he weren't so light -- Monta seems bigger zand stronger; I don't see how he'd defend.  But anything -- except Smush -- would be better than what we've got.)

by johnl on Jan 6, 2008 2:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

dead horses and drums
need to get beat until something changes:
  • GSW roster is flawed
  • Opponents will pound it inside at every chance
  • Offense needs to drive more to make up for roster flaws
? did anyone see any fastbreak baskets - I didn't. Monta sick or not the Dubs need to run - if we can't run because Ellis doesn't get any run-outs, are we really a running team?

lots of good analysis above - only additional comment from here is that imo Wright was showcased. It's the only logical reason for starting him - I don't know for who, but I won't be surprised if he is on the move.

by hardcore on Jan 6, 2008 12:13 AM PST   0 recs

One more observation
Even when Monta wasn't in the game, Baron hardly played point - he was at the wing a ton in the half court sets. Not sure whether that was to save his legs a bit (like the zone was intended to) or whether that was to keep Paul from dogging him with the ball in the open court ... just thought it strange

by hardcore on Jan 6, 2008 12:19 AM PST   0 recs

hornets
Two of our strengths are a dynamite point guard and a center who, though rarely a big force on offense, rarely misses shots and pulls in more than his share of rebounds.  The Hornets have a better, younger point guard and a better, stronger center of the same variety.  

When Baron was regularly playing 40+ minutes/game in November, I predicted he'd be hurt by mid December.  I'm happy that I was wrong about this, but he's clearly tired and I suspect strongly that we're going to see him miss some games soon.

by jae on Jan 6, 2008 9:50 AM PST   0 recs

its finally sunny here
gosh raining 3 days; thunder storm.
i havent seen this in a long time

by 8monta on Jan 6, 2008 12:05 PM PST   0 recs

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