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The Stephen Jackson Quandary

So I was at the game last night vs. the Spurs.  First off, that game was awesome to be at in person.  It rivaled the Lakers game earlier this year and the Playoffs last year.  Way to go Dubs on being 2-0 vs. the Spurs in a month and a half.

So Stephen Jackson had a absolutely horrible first 2.5 quarters last night and its funny how many times he shot an air ball, was doubled even tripled and took strange contorted shots that didn't hit the rim, turned the ball over off his leg when dribbling into the lane and absolutely got his ankles broke by Manu Ginobli.  There was a guy behind us that relentlessly clowned and dogged SJax screaming how horrible he was, how stupid he was, how he needed to stop shooting, how he needed to pass the ball as soon as he touched it. It took all the control in my body to not turn around and punch the living daylights out of this guy.  The crappy thing is that he's a guy I see every game I go to so I didn't want to possibly ruin all the future games he and I would be attending just to tell him to STFU.  The sad thing is he is a huge Dubs fan.

How can you sh*t on a player that has been the lifeline (aside from BD) of the team since he returned.  The ironic thing was that as usual, SJax stepped it up big time when needed and was the hero of the game.  How can someone just talk so much smack at the top of their lungs about SJax and be a Warrior fan?  Is it possible?  Is SJax that bad?  Am I the only one who can take the good with the bad when it comes to SJax because as annoying as he can be, the guy just seems to be the man when needed.  I'd take him all day long and to that guy, the supposed warrior fan who hated SJax, no more high fives when he saves our butts as he often does...

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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Game 6 vs. Mavs, 3rd Quarter.
You take any bad with THIS good!  You just do.

by SleepyFloyd on Jan 8, 2008 11:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

well you were at the game, but Fitz said something
that describes Jack perfectly, "its not what he shoots, but when he shoots" just like Baron, Jack can go 1 for 8, but what he does when the game is on the line matters most.  You have to give shooters like Jack confidence and let them do what they do.

by I SAY WHA I WANNA SAY on Jan 8, 2008 11:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

supposing
their still in the game after a 1-8 performance when he shoots his last shot.

I like Jax, but still hope he and Baron shoot the ball better in the second half.

With their slashing ability, don't you think they should shoot more ft's than they do? I'd gladly take more FT attempts than increased 3-point attempts.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jan 8, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Love/hate relationship
As much as I hate his TO's, bad shots & being late on D for jawing at the refs for 2-3 quarters, I love his fearlessness in the time of need.

He'd probably save a few fans from heart attacks if he didn't start shooting until the 2nd half of games.  I'd be curious to see his shooting numbers in the 2nd half of games compared to his 1st half numbers.

Best duo since...

by Tim N Chris Burger on Jan 8, 2008 11:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jax has done a lot of great things here
and I see no reason for a fan to be that disgusted with his play, but I think its okay to be a bit disappionted with Jax's play of recently. I totally agree that Jax always shows up when it matters most though. For example, last night Jax was awful for the first part of the game, but then stepped it up in the clutch. When Jackson is going well he can hit 5 shots in a row after missing 5 in a row, the guy has no conscience and never loses confidence in himself. He also has that ability to ignite the team with his ability to get to the rim and hit those slow release threes. When he's going bad he dribbles the ball into three defenders and turns it over, and hoistes up air balls with 20 seconds left on the shotclock. These sequences will make you tear your hair out sometimes, but you'll accept these flaws knowing that with Jax the positive outweights the negative.

by Byron Houston We Have A Problem on Jan 8, 2008 12:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I will give him props
for his Mental Toughness though as Fitz was talking about.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Jan 8, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is tough!
Ive never seen a player dribble the ball his leg as much as SJax.  He is very frustrating to watch, and yes i am a lot like that hardcore fan behind you screaming at the top of his lungues, because im doing the same thing at home.  Dont get me wrong, I totally understand what he brings to the team and it showed when he returned from his suspension.  I just realized i need to live with him dribbling it off his foot, or trying to take everyone one on one off the dribble with that ugly crossover, or when he drives into the paint into traffic, or when he yells at the ref, bla bla bla.  Is he really the reason why this team has made this turnaround, if so gimme gimme more of SJax.  I just want to freakin win! I guess thats what makes this team so unconventional.

by krazybalr on Jan 8, 2008 12:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Easy solution
For the first 3 quarters, Jackson should look pass-first (or "create" first). He needs to be an opportunistic, not volume, scorer.

Late in the game is the only time he should think about taking over.

When we repeatedly clear it out for him or send him to the low box, the team gets stagnant. He starts looking shot first, second, and third, and we get really in efficient.

He is not really qualified to be the second highest usage guy on a team, but in the absence of ready candidates, he's gonna have to do more to help everyone else.

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by OptionZero on Jan 8, 2008 1:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

dude
what section are you in???
Make your freethrows... PUHLEEZ!!!

by maybenextyear on Jan 8, 2008 1:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

i think
just because a player has been an important part of the team doesn't mean he can't be called out when he's having a bad game

by AJC3317 on Jan 8, 2008 1:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Calling out a guy is one thing
Yelling at the top of your lungs during the majority of the game is another. I can handle 6-7 times, but for the majority of the game-just stuff it bra!  BTW, I'm in section 420:)

by gabezgsw on Jan 8, 2008 3:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously what section were you in
Because maybe it was me you're refering to and I was pissed off to see his ugly ass uncoordinated dribbling going into the lane time after time, getting double and tripled teamed and throwing up ugly shot after ugly shot, or losing the ball.  The truth is he is not as good as he thinks as far as taking the ball to the hole and he had allready had more assists to Spurs players than ours, he had an awful game!  The fact that he kept doing it and that Nellie didn't bench his ass for playing like that was really the problem I had.  If you have a problem with what I was saying you could have said something I would have still called him out, he played like crap for nearly all the game, he was one of the main reasons we weren't up by 20 in the fourth quarter.  So yeah I get a little frustrated when a guy on my team plays like he's playing street ball in the pan handle if you are sucking it up and turning it over maybe you should let someone else create a shot, we have many more effecient scorers than Jackson, I much rather see Kelenna or Monta take it to the basket!  
It's all about the killer cross-over baby!

by warriorsfiend on Jan 9, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what section are you in??
i'm just curious.  i couldnt make it to the spurs game...

by maybenextyear on Jan 9, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson = 3 Pointer
I liken Jackson to the old adage about the three-point line: you live by it or you die by it. Sometimes he's going to look like a renegade out there, making horrible decisions with the ball and taking himself out of the game with demonstrative tirades at the officials. But let's face it: we need him to do what he does in order to win games. Sometimes it doesn't work out so well, and other times, like last night, he comes through in the clutch and makes you forget about the dreadful 2.5 quarters he'd just played.

by ffgolden on Jan 8, 2008 4:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

i challenge
anyone to find a game this season where the warriors won in the last minute or two where jackson didn't play a key role in the clutch.
straight g

by RC650 on Jan 8, 2008 4:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Clutch, but...
We wouldn't need him to be clutch if he could avoid making the dumb plays earlier.  Points are points, a layup in the middle of the second quarter counts just as much as a layup at the end of the game.

There's definitely something to be said for being clutch at the end of games, but we'd be in a better spot if we could avoid a few wasted possessions earlier in the game.

I still want him on my team, and you've got to take the good with the bad.  But at the same time, he could be so much better, and it's hard not get frustrated when he doesn't get that.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2008 7:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

its not
one person's fault when a team is in a close game. not every posession can be a perfectly exicuted play when the team runs a fast break style. the warriors live and die by rhythm threes that other teams wouldn't dare take. sure the warriors take some "ill-adivsed" shots but thats the system they run. nelson's teams always take a ton of jumpshots. jackson is a very streaky shooter and always takes awhile to heat up. he's not perfect but he can sure stroke when he's on.
straight g

by RC650 on Jan 8, 2008 7:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not true
Jackson touches the ball quite a bit- he takes the second most shots usually and gets the rock all the time on offense even if he doesn't get an assts or to or rebound. He also plays huge minutes.

While wins and losses cannot be solely attributed to him, it would be foolish to ignore that he plays a large role in our performance, whether good or bad.

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by OptionZero on Jan 8, 2008 8:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, everybody makes mistakes
And in a single game, it's not one person's fault.  Would I like to reduce everybody's turnovers and improve their shot selection?  Of course.  Is that gonna happen?  No.  Who commits the most turnovers?  Jax.  Who takes the most bad shots?  Jax.

The volume of Jax's impact on the game is much higher than that of anybody but BD.  If you Jax's stupid turnovers (unnecessary no looks, dribbling off his leg, etc.), that's probably an average of one possession/game.  If you get him to drive to the basket on a fast break instead of taking his awful 32% from outside the arc, that's probably another 0.5 points/game scored.

Another thing.
I've never understood the whole "rhythm 3s" thing.  I just think BD and Jax (our other captain too) take way too many and make way too few.  Baron's step back at the end of the LAL win was pretty amazing, but is that really a high percentage shot?  Really?

Our captains shoot 16.4 3's per game and make 5.5 for a wonderful rate of just under 33%.  The rest of the team (including Monta, THud, and Belly) shoots 10.9 3's per game and makes 4.2 for a very respectable 38.5%.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2008 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's one thing
It's one thing to have Chris Mullin, Tim Hardaway, Steve Nash, and Dirk taking those jumpers.  It's another to ask career 40% shooters to do the same.  Sure, it's somehow working for us.  But to expect that fomula to turn into a championship is pretty silly, when it didn't work in previous iterations.

I'd say there's a reason that a team Nelson crafted was more successful after a defensive/accountability minded coach like Avery Johnson took over.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As a side note...
Just to let you know, I wouldn't lump Tim Hardaway in with Mullin, Nash, and Dirk as to who I want shooting the ball. Check the shooting percentages

by Fantasy Junkie on Jan 8, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't bother...
But 35.5% from 3 is at least marginally respectable...

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2008 11:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

asdf
And many of those poor shooting performances came in Miami in the latter part of his career.
He shot over 45% for the Dubs.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2008 11:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure
Pre-injury Timmy was awesome. Post-injury Timmy, rapidly declined.

I was just merely pointing out that he's not in the same league as Mullin, Nash, and Dirk in shooting. But I would certainly take him shooting the rock in his GSW years over what Jax is doing now.

by Fantasy Junkie on Jan 8, 2008 11:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Threes
In theory, if you shoot 33.3% of your threes, you're scoring just as efficiently as if you hit 50% of your twos -- though you probably need to subtract a bit for the fact that your misses will lead more frequently to easy buckets by your opponents (partly because there's more of them, partly because they tend to be longer).

B-Ref's "True shooting percentage" is a pretty good metric for comparing guys who shoot threes and guys who don't.

PTS / (2*(FGA + (0.44*FTA)

Hardaway shot generally in 53-54% range during his prime, dropping off the 48-49% in his Miami days.

Action Jackson shot a very respectable 54% last year -- 55% with the Dubs. For his career he's at 52%, just a hair worse than Hardaway (53%). This season he's right at his career average: 52%.

Basically, Jack's doing his thing. When you factor in his defense, "intangibles," and reasonable price-tag, it's hard to imagine he's not an overall net positive.

by Sleepy Freud on Jan 9, 2008 4:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The complaint isn't that Jax is a bad player
Far from it.  He's great and a big reason for our success.  The complaint is that he could make simple changes in his game to GREATLY improve his positive impact on the game and become FANTASTIC instead of "Great, but frustrating at times."

Look, everybody can make improvements, but if Jax's are more concrete and easy (run back on defense instead of arguing with refs, take high percentage shots in transition) while others are more theoretical difficult (Monta needs to grow, either mentally, as a PG or physically, as in 2 inches and 25 lbs of muscle.  Beans needs more touches).

It's like asking for whistle tips on your beamer.  It's a very nice vehicle without them, but the whistles go WOO WOO, and that's so much better.

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 9, 2008 9:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Preaching to the choir
I certainly didn't mean to imply that Jax was above constructive criticism. I'm a consistent defender on this board of criticizing our best players. Indeed, the better the player, the more worthwhile the critique. If the Ws had LeBron James and Dwight Howard <...drooling...> I'm sure we'd find all kinds of flaws in their games worthy of exposing.

On Beamers: I bequeathed my '87 325i to my little Bro in Santa Cruz when I left the Bay Area. I always though that model was such a pure, perfect design that any bells and whistles (spoilers, fancy rims, etc.) would have been gilding the lily.

Since I left the Bay I've been using public transportation exclusively, which is better still. With or without whistles, gas-burning cars are inherently evil. Stephen Jackson, by and large, is good. :-)

by Sleepy Freud on Jan 9, 2008 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Live with SJax
SJax is fearless and like someone above said, he's been in every crunch time win.  I do not think he's the type of guy who can just start shooting late.  He needs to get into rhythm.  

While Ginobili may have abused him a few times last night early, he did not do it late.  SJax has played Carmelo, T-Mac, Dirk and Ginobili tough this year and without him the W's would be in huge trouble.

We need to recognize his faults and just take it because he adds so much to the team.

Nothing better than "The City".

by philsmith75 on Jan 8, 2008 4:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jax was in a funk
Simple as that--he was so frustrated by the non-calls he didn't get especially after he got clobbered by Duncan.  He seemed in a fog with no energy or focus.  Then he worked through it and was exceptional in OT.

He is such an emotional player; and, as was stated, you take the good with the bad.  Fortunately for us it is mostly good.

You call me ancient, I say "oldguysrule"

by commish on Jan 8, 2008 4:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well...
My question is, why doesn't the concentration and  "clutchness" show in the first 3 quarters? Why only the 4th and OT? Does that mean he's not playing up to his ability in the first 3 quarters? What would it take for him to have that killer instinct for 4 straight quarters? Is that too much to ask?

by Fantasy Junkie on Jan 8, 2008 9:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

he is clutch but it is only
recently that he has exhibited this pattern.  Early and last year it was more or less a streaky thing where he could get off in the 1st or the 4th

by Zig on Jan 8, 2008 10:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

people on here have some short
memories.  Where would we be without him?  Where were we with Baron and J-rich?

Sure he is a flawed player, sure it would be great if he was a third option rather than the second but that isn't the reality and Jax knows it and Nelson knows it.  Nelson sets the offense for him to exploit match-ups and to position himself for the top of the key three.  For the most part he is doing what he is being asked to do.

I do wish he cut out some of the the pull ups but hey I wish Baron would stop with that sometimes too.  

Otherwise, he is doing what Nelson wants, he has been a low percentage shooter his whole career, the Warriors are winning for once in over a decade and I am just going to enjoy it.

by Zig on Jan 8, 2008 10:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jackson
If Jackson were smart enough to realize he's not a great 2nd option, he should tell Nellie to gear the offense toward Harrington and Biedrins more, given that they are far, far FAR more efficient offensively.

No one says he has to jack up the second most shots when he's stone cold.

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by OptionZero on Jan 8, 2008 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Uhhh.... yeah
Yeah... what he said.

And it seems that they might just start doing that.

Wait?  So you mean it's a good idea to give the ball to the guy who leads the league in FG%?  You think?

I still don't understand why Harrington keeps getting benched after going 2/2 from 3's in the first quarter...

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 8, 2008 10:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Nelson has a pretty solid
handle on what he wants and isn't running his team like a democracy

That said I agree that the transition 3's can be a bit much.  Still for the most part I don't think Jax is doing anything that Nelson isn't asking of him

With AL don't you think Nelson is squeezing what he can out of him?  He isn't a second option either

by Zig on Jan 9, 2008 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Harrington
Harrington might not be a true "second best player on a good team", but offensively he can do much more than he's done this year. His FG/FT/3P%'s are all up from last year, yet his PPG is down because he's getting 5 fewer minutes.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me for our second most efficient scorer to be getting fewer minutes when our offense is getting bogged down by perimeter, triggerhappy jumpshooting.

Al and Biedrins should be on the floor together, and the offense should focus on getting them the rock.

If David West and Tyson Chandler can be emphasized in New Orleans, then we should most certainly be trying to take advantage of our own tandem of quality bigs.

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by OptionZero on Jan 9, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't disagree with this
I'd like to see more Harrington, AB and Wright and not totally obsessing on match-ups to start games

Nelson though seems to think otherwise

That line-up tonight against Portland bothered me

by Zig on Jan 9, 2008 10:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

short memories?
I think we're just opening up his game for discussion. I don't think anyone does not appreciate what he did for the Warriors last year and what a tremendous impact he's had this year.

I love Jax as a player, but his game is flawed. Criticism != disrespect

by Fantasy Junkie on Jan 8, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

his game is flawed and so is the team
I believe Nelson is damn near a magician squeezing all he can out of Harrington and Jackson

by Zig on Jan 9, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

love jax
If Jax was in any other jersey he would continue to please himself by sh*ttin on the warriors.. because he is a certified warrior killer..

but he he got his ankles BROKE by manu..
I know everybody seen that

Bob Fitzgerald couldn't have said it better: "i'm sure stephen jackson wouldn't want to see that on a highlight reel"

is latrell sprewell gonna have to choke a b*tch?

by Spree4Threee on Jan 8, 2008 11:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

ankle breaking
While I'm sure it amuses the carefree fan, "ankle breaking" doesn't mean squat. Iverson once broke down Jordan, but nobody gives a crap.

In basketball generally and in this day and age especially, it is impossible for a defender to completely and utterly shut down an offensive player.

Fact: you will get beat. The game is too fast, there's too much space, players are too good athletes, offensive game plans and executions are still too good.

Bruce Bowen's man WILL score. He WILL get free. He might get a highlight or two along the way.

Top defenders know, however, that losing a battle or two doesn't mean you can't win the war. You just pick urself up, keep chasing, keep banging, whatever it takes.

For the most part, Ginobili shot roughly what he normally shoots (44% season, 7/15 game), and adjusting for minutes and pace, his boards/assists  were about on par. Jackson and the Warriors did lead Ginobili to commit 5 turnovers, more than his usual 2.7 in 28 minutes (he played 40 min in the game).

The quickest guys like TJ Ford or Parker will make you look stupid at some point or another, the key is to make them work as hard as possible that night and funnel them to wherever the scheme dictates (baseline or help middle, whatever).

Lately we have gone more to Baron on the quickest/best opposing scorer, and Jack on the best swingman scorer; this is where the need to get others involved offensively becomes even more apparent. Jack and Baron can be top tier defenders, but the energy necessary to do so is expended by their attempt to carry the offense.

Let Harrington, Biedrins, Ellis, Buike handle a greater scoring load, we'll be more efficient on offense, and Baron/Jack will have more intense on defense. Everyone wins.

(As an aside, I think Ginobili likes playing at the Warrior tempo, as its closer to the FIBA/Int'l game, so maybe he gets excited and makes mistakes he'd normally not make in the Spurs tempo. I'd kill to have him as our SG).

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by OptionZero on Jan 9, 2008 12:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

squat?
jax fell on his ass. And it wasnt the result of a well placed screen. You didnt find that entertaining?
is latrell sprewell gonna have to choke a b*tch?

by Spree4Threee on Jan 9, 2008 1:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not really
I don't find it entertaining to see one of the Warriors fail on defense, since I see Ellis and Pietrus regularly look stupid when they blow their defensive assignment.

did you find the Pietrus failed close out on Parker entertaining? How bout the Ellis one on an earlier play?

Jackson fell down, ok. Move along.

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by OptionZero on Jan 9, 2008 1:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed...
did manu even make the 3 point shot?

by saintdee on Jan 9, 2008 2:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nope
he rotated the ball to the corner for a brick. that's why it didn't really make any highlight reels.

by saintfloppy on Jan 9, 2008 3:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

dude
basketball is a very fan-friendly sport and that is one reason why.. If baron broke Duncan's ankles like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RKpnAkmE9o
then ya'll would be ranting about that as well

This isn't the AND 1 league

Who cares?


It doesn't need to be AND1.. What's Tim Hardaway famous for? his dimes and his "Killer-Crossover".. so you were never entertained by watching Hardaway break down his defenders? I guess not cuz its not streetball

Tim Hardaway:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0HRPIu02Xo

is latrell sprewell gonna have to choke a b*tch?

by Spree4Threee on Jan 9, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if
if that's all basketball is to you, then that's fine

Some of us think basketball is a deeper sport than that.

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by OptionZero on Jan 9, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

dude
don't even..

I love the game as much as anyone else on this website..
Watching players get their ankles broke to me is similar to watchin players get dunked on..

Its all part of the fun of watchin basketball

is latrell sprewell gonna have to choke a b*tch?

by Spree4Threee on Jan 9, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yet
No one saw fit to make a big deal out of Jack falling down as you did.

Which is fine, because you may derive pleasure out of whatever you please, as long as it is not so obscene as to harm the rest of society.

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by OptionZero on Jan 9, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

huh?
i DIDN'T make a big deal out of it.. YOU did.. you replied to my original comment with a comment that was like 5x as long..

i just said he got his ankles broke pretty badly.. which was also mentioned in the original diary

turned the ball over off his leg when dribbling into the lane and absolutely got his ankles broke by Manu Ginobli.

chill dude

is latrell sprewell gonna have to choke a b*tch?

by Spree4Threee on Jan 9, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

remember that dairy?
with the title "Baron Davis stalling the offense"
this dairy is equally rediculous. If Jackson didn't take so many bad shots we wouldn't be the team without any conscience. If we lose our identity as the team with the poorest shot selection who would we be? We'd sink into mediocrity like the Rockets.

by saintdee on Jan 9, 2008 12:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, though...
Aren't you tired of having to always come back to make up for horrendous starts?  

Jax and BD are the two best on the w's at creating their own offense.  Neither needs screens or ball movement to get their shots off.  Both are pretty adept at shooting with contact or hands in their faces.  Since they dominate the ball, neither has a problem of standing around on offense.  So they(Jax & BD) shouldn't HAVE to hoist up shots to get warmed up in the 1st quarter.  They can get their shots anytime they want.

THey should use the 1st quarter to get guys like al, buke and dre in the mix.  Get others involved so they don't get in the habit of standing around, saving their chucking for when the team really needs it.

I don't have a problem when jax has only 5-6 pts at the half.  Its when he takes 8-10 shots and 4 TO's to get that 5-6 pts.  The warriors would have been better off if he defered to others - acting as a decoy and concentrating on D - and saving his best for last.

Best duo since...

by Tim N Chris Burger on Jan 9, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Were the dairies
creamy or cheesy?

by mikej on Jan 12, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and then
there was the classic Pietrus setting a pick out of bounds. I had to laugh at that one.
CJ Watson. From San Andreas to the Bay!

by tadams1080 on Jan 9, 2008 6:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Pietrus Again?
You had to do it.  Another TO by Pietrus?  He's the smartest guy on the team, basketball wise.
Nothing better than "The City".

by philsmith75 on Jan 9, 2008 12:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oiajsdlkj
he just needs to look to swing the ball around a couple times to maybe get other team mates involved earlier in the games. those rhythm threes will always be there for jackson. i think its more important that you build up monta and biedrins' confidence earlier in the game so they can have a larger impact in the later quarters.

by dandydaniel on Jan 9, 2008 1:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

When I read "rhythm 3"
I hear "They just jacked it up because they felt like it".

Can someone please explain what a "rhythm 3" is (beyond my current understanding).  Please also explain why it's good to jack up three pointers instead of either trying to take the ball inside or swing the ball around for an OPEN 3.  If you look at the players taking OPEN 3s (Buke, Pietrus, etc.) and the players taking "rhythm 3s" (the captains), you'll notice a MARKED DIFFERENCE IN PERCENTAGE.

Is it to try to encourage the speed of the game by generating long rebounds, etc?  Is it used to draw the defense out, keep them on their toes, and open the lanes?  Or is it really just a way to excuse our better players for taking bad shots?

by Dubs fan in Boston on Jan 9, 2008 10:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

new idea
Revoke Jack's license to shoot entirely. His new job is spot up shooter and defense.

The offense ran so much better with the ball in Al's  hands in the center of the paint. That's the kind of  spacing we need, not 4 guys on one end and Jack holding the rock for an eternity before hoisting a slow-as-molasses fadeaway J for the brick.

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by OptionZero on Jan 9, 2008 11:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Revoking licenses
will go against both Nellie's and Jackson's strongest tendencies.  If we're going to revoke, we might as well trade, because we'll lose Jack and start a chain reaction, undoing the sense of team Nellie has established.  He made that mistake with his handling of Chris Webber years ago, and I'm sure he won't make that same mistake again.

by mikej on Jan 12, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what trade
No one's said anything about trade, your conclusion that handcuffing his freedom necessitates a trade is wrong.

Jackson has improved his board work, we know he can pass when he put his mind to it.

Even against the Grizz, you saw how he can take a backseat to the others. Ellis and Harrington were effective, so Jack did not force his game.

He took Gay off the dribble a couple times and posted Lowry. His 3's were on ball rotation from others. Few of his shots were the result of facing up, holding the ball for 8 seconds, and hoisting a fadeaway. I can probably name only a couple "bad" shots from  him (he had one fadeaway going laterally off the dribble and made it).

If he were to play within the offense more frequently, he'd be fine. Since his shot was falling, he did his job.

When his shot isn't falling- that's when I want to see him shoot even less and look for drive-and-kick opportunities more.

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by OptionZero on Jan 12, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No question
that Jack is capable of some improvement in his decision-making, including shot selection; the question is how to effect that improvement.  My contention was that revoking his license to shoot, taken at face value as a coach's imposing restrictions on his shooting, is exactly the wrong approach.  The approach that seems to work better is the one that has happened between the miserable Portland game and the more-encouraging
Memphis game:  Nellie challenged Baron to distribute more and continued to work more high-screen situations into the half-court offense, presumably in order to diversify the looks we get.  The shooters responded well, Jack had less to carry, no one had to revoke any licenses.

by mikej on Jan 13, 2008 12:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Remember One Thing
19-10 with Jack.  It's all about the W's, baby.

by Fall Back Baby on Jan 10, 2008 9:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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