Harrington sings karaoke: "Please release me...let me go"
by VonteegoCummings on Oct 28, 2008 11:40 PM PDT
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This is a repost from a previous fanpost that was deleted (accidentally?). Anyway, Marcus Thompson has confirmed Tim Kawakami's report that TMNT has FORMALLY requested a trade since he can't stand Don Nelson.
We've seen this before, this happens everyday in sports, disgruntled player asks for a trade, then team with the disgruntled player well of course...gets screwed.
This only adds to the domino effect of the off season, it would be interesting on how the rest of this drama unfolds....So what if Jack doesnt get his? would he request for a trade too? Monta comes back 75% of his old self? what happens? The Warriors void his contract? Do the kids get their options picked up?
Bring back those 42.00 lower bowl seats!!!!
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god
this is just what we need right now.
by gorillas on Oct 28, 2008 11:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
heres more from Marcus Thompson
A source close to Al said the meeting included Al telling Chris Mullin that he can’t take any more of coach Don Nelson. Harrington has been unhappy since the end of the 2007 season, when he was relegated to supporting cast. He had said he came into this season willing to give it another try. But Harrington isn’t convinced, according to the source, that things will be different after he was benched late in the Lithuania preseason game. Nelson tried to put Al back into the game, but Al refused.
from: http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2008/10/28/more-drama-harrington-wants-out/
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Oct 28, 2008 11:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
f-that
u want a bigger role? step up and earn it. he hasn’t done enough to be more than supporting cast
by AJC3317 on Oct 29, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Werd.
TMNT seems like a sweet, cool guy, but we’ve seen more than enough to know exactly what we’re getting with him: a big, talented guy who consistently comes up soft: soft on the glass, soft finishing at the rim, soft defending the rim, soft in the clutch. Nellie’s not always totally rational in his assessment of players, but I think he’s spot on in his lack of reverence for Harrington.
I agree with others who’ve said, essentially, if we can get a bag of balls whose contract expires no later than Al’s, do it. Between Randolph, Wright, Maggette, and Buki we have more than enough manpower to can replace all his minutes, only more efficiently. And Randolph and Wright have the added benefit of having tons of upside. I’d just as soon not see Harrington take any PT from them.
Arrivederci Donatello…
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Oct 29, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He lied then
Means he lied to Geoff Lepper (http://48minutes.net/)…
by mosdl on Oct 28, 2008 11:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
according to kawakami
Harrington actually ddnt blatantly lie to lepper since he talked to Lepper by mid-day and asked to be traded by mid afternoon.
Here’s another tidbit from Kawakami:
It is not clear if the Warriors–or who on the Warriors–will move with urgency in this situation. There are several teams that are believed to have expressed some interest in Harrington recently, possibly including Chicago and Cleveland.
So who can we pry away from these teams? Delonte West? Kirk Heinrich? Some guy wearing #23 in Cleveland? The kid with the jersey #1 from chicago?
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Oct 29, 2008 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrington said
that all was fine, which was a lie. He could have said “no comment”.
by mosdl on Oct 29, 2008 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrington saidthat all was fine, which was a lie
Maybe he has mixed feelings about it?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2008 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
from rumorpress.net
Bulls make offer to Warriors for Harrington
No more than a couple hours after Al Harrington demanded a trade out of Golden State, the Bulls and Warriors had discussions about a trade that would send him to Chicago. The Bulls likely would send one of their many guards to the Warriors. Many scenarios have been thrown out, but apparently the Warriors are most interested in Kirk Hinrich and Thabo Sefolosha. If Sefolosha would be in the deal someone with a larger contract would have to be included.
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Oct 29, 2008 12:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
donatello for derrick rose…straight up…i’d do it if i was the bulls..
by markdavisbodyslam on Oct 29, 2008 12:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i would
by saintdee on Oct 29, 2008 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we couldve
fleeced them Rose but Al just had to open his big mouth darn it!
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Oct 29, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I hope you guys are kidding, because Rose is better then half the Dubs Roster already.
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Rose is better then half the Dubs Roster
he didn’t even have to play a single game!
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Oct 29, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they have rose
….why do they need hinrich???
by war i are. on Oct 29, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Machine says:
Harrington
Bellinelli
Wright
for
Heinrich
Tyrus Thomas
Sefolosha
works…..
also
harrington/bellinelli for Heinrich/sefolosha works as well
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Oct 29, 2008 12:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They better send us a conditional pick then as comp.
Cause Al is an expiring after this season and Hinrich just signed his deal a year ago. I’m indifferent about Thabo. I think he’s a wash since we have Azubuike. If we do get Thabo, i’m guessing we send back Marco in the process.
Another trade that i’ve heard suggested is Eric Snow + JJ Hickson for Al straight up. I think it’s an intriguing trade since Snow is an expiring and JJ is a rook. Only problem is that it further solidifies this season as a rebuilding season. We’d have a huge jam at the 2 frontcourt spots with no real true offensive weapon that is key in Nellie schemes. Oh well, i’d be down for that trade anyway if Al truly doesn’t want to be here anymore.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
basically
we just need to get the deal that’s going to screw us the least…as we all know we are not in a position of strength here. At this point even marbury looks enticing.
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Oct 29, 2008 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much, we're taking on extra years or less talent
Marbury makes too much. if the Knicks are involved, it’d likely be Eddy Curry along with a 3rd team who wants Eddy Curry.
if we’re looking to make a lateral move (or just a small step back) and not take back albatross contracts, we could see if the Clippers are willing to just swap Tim Thomas.
there are overpaid should be bench players with only 2 yrs left, like bobby simmons, darko milicic, Andrea Bargnani (w/ Bargnani you’d need some throw ins).
albatross contracts like Boris Diaw’s and Andres Nocioni’s may be available. are the rumors that Charlotte is looking to shed salary true? if we use Brandan Wright as bait, maybe Gerald Wallace or… JRich are available? or maybe Kirilenko is still unhappy. (Though I would rather not see the Warriors take back huge contracts for above avg players)
another option is looking at aging title contenders. we take back their garbage and future non lottery protected draft pick that may or may not turn out to be high.
i’m also wondering how the right’s to Josh Childress’ contract works or if it’s even available.
by the evil monkey on Oct 29, 2008 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ehh
I droubt J-rich wants to come back here after that trade. Hopefully we trade Al for a 1st round pick. Or we trade Al and Brandan “the bust” Wrong for Al Throthon. It won’t works, but we could try to screw the paper clips over. lol
by warriorfan4life on Oct 29, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Snow
just started working as a commentator on NBATV. He doesn’t look like he’s even in playing shape, especially not for Nellieball…
by EternalWarriorsOptimist on Oct 29, 2008 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al is an expiring after this season and Hinrich just signed his deal a year ago.
For sure we don’t want to get stuck with Hindrich, I made the mistake of picking him for a fantasy team once and it was painful to watch. If we could work out something for Rose we’d be doing great. Maybe Montay and Al for Rose and ??
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Montay and Al for Rose and ??
I’m glad you didn’t finish that thought.
www.jettisonhigh.com
by BALLINelli on Oct 29, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad you didn’t finish that thought.
Yeah, I don’t know enough about the bulls to know the other part. Montay for Rose and Al for who ??
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrington for Tinsley
I don’t know about the numbers, but would a Harrington for Tinsley trade work out?
by Kobe_No_Means_No on Oct 29, 2008 1:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
um
why would we want tinsley? he has a horrible contracts. he under performs. he is a cancer in the locker room. I have never heard anybody say anything nice about tinsley. At least with Jackson you had Timmy Duncan’s vote of approval.
by saintdee on Oct 29, 2008 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually it was shown that
the difference in total money between Harrington and Tinsley is only about 3M dollars. Its just that its for a year longer than Tinsley’s. Ultimately I don’t think the Warriors would look at Tinsley because of all the PG options we have already and because Tinsley has sat out of training camp.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tinsley
Spends more time in a civil court, then a basketball court. NO. We need an experienced big man, if we get rid of ours. Or we can OFFICIALY nuke this season and go for the #1 pick next year with Ricky Rubio ( yeah, not a ton of talent next year )
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess everyone would rather run with a rumor as apposed to what
Nellie and AL actually said. When I hear AL say I want to be traded I’ll beleive it. Until then this is nothing more than rumor and its time to play ball.
by smearthebeard on Oct 29, 2008 7:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
um......
this has been confirmed 10x over
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/warriors/detail?&entry_id=32069
check the time – midnight last night.
by the evil monkey on Oct 29, 2008 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe Detroit?
Billups for Harrington + Marcus Williams
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=633083039&teams=988&te=&cash=
Detroit might make that trade to clear cap space for 2010. Warriors management probably wouldn’t go for it, since Billups is owed 36M over the next 3 years.
Another trade that works, but that Detroit would probably never go for is
Sheed for Harrington + Marcus Williams + Belinelli
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=88331903083039&teams=9888&te=&cash=
by EternalWarriorsOptimist on Oct 29, 2008 7:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Detroit doesn't really need Harrington
Dumars isn’t Wallace, Bird or McHale…
and besides, do we really want a 32 yr old guard on a huge 4 year deal?
by the evil monkey on Oct 29, 2008 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we even trade williams yet?
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Oct 29, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
one more
This trade would be sweet, although I doubt the Bucks would be willing to part with Sessions so easily:
Harrington
Marcus Williams
for
Ramon Sessions
Dan Gadzuric
Charlie Villanueva
by EternalWarriorsOptimist on Oct 29, 2008 7:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sessions would be the perfect point guard for us
by steelekord on Oct 29, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not impressed with Sessions.
Yet.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way
Charlie V cant rebound worth a damn
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 9:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also...
If this is true about him asking all summer long, this will further prove of how under control Mullin has things. How can you let this go for this long? Sure you can get a deal by draft night, and get some picks. This year’s draft was loaded.
If Mullin doesn’t clean this up, he will make Rowell and Nelson look amazing, and he can forget his dream job in New York, because it won’t happen.
Christ, can the Warriors PLEASE GET A GM THAT IS NOT A COMPLETE SCREW UP!?
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 9:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How about we just get rid of Rowell-Cohan?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+123, 804, 324, 123, 739, 012, 908
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Oct 29, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol why?
and bring who else in? He might not be a great owner, but if you think these issues are due to him, then you are sorely mistaken.
Mullin brought in Nelson. Nelson is good, and very bad at the same time. Every employer of his, hates him on his way out, INCLUDING THE WARRIORS. He sued Cohen lol. 3 years into it things are messy? Shocker!
Gary St. Jean ruined everything before!
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 9:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And who's been the one constant?
Cohan and his Right Hand man—Rowell.
Rowell is in charge of the business side of basketball. Look back on things like the Jrich trade, the pocketing of the TPE….those all sound like financial decisions to me. I think its more of Rowell breathing down Mullin’s neck and forcing him to make certain decisions.
Sounds like you’re still diluted.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rowell has not been calling the shots for the apst 4 years.
The Dunleavy, Murphy, Fisher, Foyle contracts were some of the worst in history. Maybe thats why they are breathing down his neck?
If I owned the Warriors I would have pimp slapped him myself after giving Foyle 36 million. YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME.
So yeah I am diluted.
Keep blaming the problems on the ownership, its worked for the last 12 years… Start holding the GM/Coach/Team accountable people, they are the ones who control things ultimately.
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
the owner is ultimately responsible because it’s his job to hold the Executives & GM accountable.
by the evil monkey on Oct 29, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well sure
but thats why he hires a GM, Coach etc.. to advise him.
Clearly you are ultimately correct. However theoretically wrong.
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do believe that Rowell has been calling the shots since the end of summer.
But…His influence on Mullin can be seen throughout his tenure. The Jrich trade, TPE, and Baron Davis veto.
And now we have him negotiating deals directly with Jax and now Nellie. Come on. Rowell been behind the scenes pulling strings. I’m NOT saying Mullin didn’t convince ownership to bad long term deals (Fisher, Murph, Dunnothing, and Foyle). I am saying that the Warriors have been bottom feeders for most of the past 15 years. The 2 seasons we were actually relevant were with Mullin as Director of Player Personnel. The other 13 years we’ve had a rotating door of GM’s and coaches. THE ONE CONSTANT HERE—COHAN AND ROWELL.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So.,
Gray St. Jean is off the hook? And you’re acting like screwing up 100+ million dollars doesnt warrant a nervous owner from making sure his money is being used efficiently.
We did offer 2 max contracts this offseason didnt we? We did Offer Gilbert years back max contract ( best we could ) didnt we? We did sign Antawn to a long deal?
I think necessary steps have been taken, and what has been horrible is our draft untill Mully came along. Now the contracts are out of control, and Rowell is controlling that.
Again if you dont think not resigning Davis was a bad move, just wait and see.
So in short: Draft picks cost us but we did good on contract.
Mully comes in: Draft kicks ass, but contracts suck.
Thats it!
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to add
Jerry Krause was friggin HORRIBLE GM for the Bulls for years, YEARS. Still is. However the team kept winning. Another testament that no matter how bad management is, business does not effect the floor performance.
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm reiterating that RoHan is the one constant factor with Warriors sucktitude the past
15 years. To BELIEVE that they aren’t at least partially to blame is diluted. Total and complete blame cannot be placed on one person when they have superiors to answer to. I believe that RoHan are smart men, and aren’t easily taken to the cleaners.
I disagree that the Warriors have had good drafts as well. But that’s another story.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
" business does not effect the floor performance."
Please, who else agrees with this statement?
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
" business does not effect the floor performance."
and vise versa. Even a sucky team makes money and appreciates in value so maybe Rowell is the smart one here? Anyone know what he paid for the franchise, what it costs to run it per year, profit per year and present franchise market price?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rowell is the smart one here?
oops, put in the wrong villian, Cohen is the smart one.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 29, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle Anyone?
How is Seattle’s franchise?
Oh wait they dont have one. So maybe staying in business = good?
What I ment for business and on the floor production was the current state of the Warriors. There are teams in much much worse shape then the Warriors.
Again, keep attacking Rowell. From what I see its a hatred created by captain skeptical Tim Kawakocky, and no one else.
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh i get it...
TK was the one who orchestrated the veto of Baron’s contract.
It was TK who decided to punish Monta twice and risk alienating a young superstar.
It was TK who advocated to give Jack an extension when there was no urgency for one.
You are so right. TK is the straw that stirs the drink.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+10000000000000000
and an order of sisig
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Oct 29, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Head on over to TK's blog again and read the latest in Rowell's Genius.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
the way it works is owner finds & hires execs, execs find & hire GM, GM finds &hires coaches (though of course the owner has final say on all those decisions).
Cohan’s not the worst owner, but his problem is he’s letting Rowell (like Paraag Marathe in the 49ers organization) have too much power. he needs to reign his man in. i don’t know if you own a company, but good owners set up a good organizational structure with well defined roles.
look at it this way – a parent doesn’t give a teenager a credit card and let him or her run free with it. he or she sets limits and ground rules as to when and how it should be used.
when you hear about a chaotic front office, it’s b/c there is no organizational structure and no one is being held accountable (by the owner) to maintain that structure. good owners don’t hire ppl and give them authority just b/c they like said person. good owners aren’t afraid to make decisions and be blamed for them.
so b/c Cohan is afraid of blame and is buddy buddy with Rowell (from what has been reported),
we now have Rowell making some basketball decisions,
Jax getting a 3 yr ext 27 mill during age 33,34, & 35,
Monta upset b/c of Rowell trying to potentially punish him twice for the same ‘crime’ ,
Mullin unable to negotiate w/ other GMs (so things like Prince for Jax seem dead),
Baron not being extended & joining the Clips.
we don’t know how much he had to do w/ the JRich trade (which was to keep them out of luxury tax territory this year) or the non use of the trade exception (which might have put them in luxury tax territory).
i assume you’re young with a moniker like sjboy. the fact that you think i’m “theoretically” wrong also belies this… wait till you join the adult work world and you’ll see that i’m philosophically correct.
by the evil monkey on Oct 29, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few things:
#1: That Jackson deal is not final, and you dont know how many years are guaranteed.
#2: Monta deal being punished twice? First off, 30 game suspension is just a money thing, and honestly MOnta should stfu and take it, because he is a complete idiot in the first place for getting hurt the way he did. Second, why shouldnt you as a business reserve the right to re-analize talent after an injury? Do we really want to be held hostage by a contract, ala, Allan Houston in New York? Terrel Brandon? Hakeem Allajuwon? No I am fine with them ensuring MOnta is MOnta when he returns.
If I gave you $1,000,000 to blow up baloons, and put it in your contract that you cannot smoke because you would start sucking at inflating baloons, and you ended smoking a pack a day and developing emphazima. I RESERVE the right to negate that contract. Its a business. Hello!
#3: Again Mullin has screwed up too much, and seems like he is on his way out, and is probably taking a back seat right now, and honestly rightfully so. You can’t keep screwing up and not get slapped on the hand. He should be happy he didnt get fired!
- Baron to Clips was a good move on our part. Why dump a ton of money that you will need over the next few years to bring in new talent to support Monta and Biedrins, the true pillars of the franchise!
Listen, this is personal for most of you who grew up watching Run TMC. A wise man once said, dont mix business with pleasure. Currently we want ‘our guys’ to be doing well, but their not. The ship has to be run steady, and stop granting everyone, everything.
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand your reasoning for the Monta situation.
It’s the way Rowell went about doing it. Everyone thought the decision was final at a 30 game suspension and a pay cut of roughly 2-3M (I can’t remember). But then he wants to go ahead and add on to the punishment by reserving the right to terminate. He should have stated that in the beginning instead of waiting inbetween.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
missing the point again. maybe if you ignore that section my post will make more sense
i’m not saying whether those are good or bad things. we don’t know and won’t know.
it’s that he’s even making these decisions and causing conflict in areas that don’t need conflict.
jackson: i did put reported, did i not?
Monta: come on, this is not a perfect world. there are things such as arbitration. justice & opinion doesn’t matter.
i understand your sentiment on Monta, but the business world isn’t about justice. all they’re doing is creating a rift w/ a player they invested heavily in and probably won’t win an arbitration case against. that’s just how these things work.
if you go back to run tmc, then you should at least remember what happened w/ spree. suspended for a year by nba, w’s tried to punish a 2nd time, lost arbitration and spree’s suspension was reduced as well. and that was all spree, just like this is all monta.
besides, what constitutes decline? so if Monta starts jacking up shots to get to 20 pts, but only shoots 45% instead of 50+ is that decline? or was his FG% spike this year an aberration? he doesn’t play a lot of d, but what if he abandons defense to save energy so he can make sure to put up offensive #’s, is that decline?
let me clarify. i don’t support Mullin. he’s an average GM. but when you do what Rowell is doing to him…. what top flight GM would want to come here??
Why dump a ton of money that you will need over the next few years to bring in new talent to support Monta and Biedrins, the true pillars of the franchise!
we just did this with Maggette who is injury prone (never played a full 82 games, which BD just did), is the same age as BD, is about 2/3 the player BD is, and would only be making a little less than BD. plus more years on the contract. if Jackson gets his deal as reported, he’ll also fall into the why dump money category.
by the evil monkey on Oct 29, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a good note about Maggette...
Baron had swagger, and while we haven’t seen Mags enough to know what his demeanor will be like on this team, we know that year after year he gets to the line, and he gets his points. There were countless games the last 2 years that Baron took a lot of terrible shots. I don’t see Mags as that kind of player. He takes what he can get, and perhaps most importantly, he gets superstar calls, which brings a totally different dimension to this team. While sure, we would love Baron to take the last shot, we don’t want him playing 40 minutes on half a leg shooting 3-17. I would rather have Baron here, but I can’t wait to see Maggette Ohs kill on this team. Lets stay positive about Mags until he proves to us that he either is not worth his contract or lets us know that he doesn’t want to be here.
by mattmonay on Oct 31, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw... i just want to also clarify that i'm not against you. i agree with most of your logic.
i’m just saying that that’s not all there is to it.
maybe the only thing i’m probably really on the opposite end of your standpoint is how Rowell is going about doing what he’s doing and how that affects the organization as a whole.
oh, my thing with Cohan is that, in the end, he’s willing to sacrifice the winning side of his organization for the money side. that’s not a good owner from a fan’s perspective.
by the evil monkey on Oct 29, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good reply
Yes were both on the same issue. My deal is that I think business needs to be cleaned up before court play can be successfull. I think you’re thinking players before business?
At any rate were on the same track, I just dont think Rowell is ruining the Warriors. We have a good product on the floor. Whether its a Championship product in the making, thats still to be deciced.
Compare our current situation to the last 10 years, I’d say were doing well. I just think that after at 07 playoffs ( which was a nice run…. but it was just that… a run! ) people started thinking we could contend. We’re far from. We caught a very weak Dallas team, we had their coach, and we just own them.
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
heres more of KING ROWELL's powerplays
How many people in the Bay Area know what Robert Rowell’s reaction was when the Warriors executive Chris Mullin acquired Stephen Jackson on Jan. 16, 2007, from the Pacers?
The team president wanted to put Jackson on waivers. Wanted Christopher Cohan to eat the $24 million remaining on Jackson’s guaranteed contract and point him in the direction of J.R. Rider.
Earlier this week, Rowell branded Jackson the best player Golden State has, asserted no other player during Cohan’s ownership has embraced the organization more, and said he would like to see him stick around.
In other words, Jackson figures to secure the extension he’s angling for minus any help from an agent; longtime rep Dan Fegan was dismissed, I’m told, after Rowell told Jackson they could handle this negotiation by themselves
from: http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/sp20081029pv.html
Fegan is Harrington’s agent….jackson fires fegan after king rowell says lets do this by ourselves…NOW WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT FEGAN WOULD SCREW THE WARRIORS MORE THAN THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE SCREWED??
just another day in Clipper land…oh I meant warrior land
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Oct 29, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea...stupid ster... i mean RoHan.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure
If this is an anti Fegan or Rowell post but…
We need to get off this “Rowell the Ruiner” bandwagon. Im not saying he is the greatest, but he is not letting guys get layups. He is not refusing to play defense. He is not holding back young players from get experience on the floor. He is not getting on a moped and shredding his ankle. He is not arguing with a coaches decision of when he should be played. He is not the one PLAYING THE GAME.
Get off it!
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A REMINDER TO ALL THOSE TRADE PROPOSALS
for the umpteenth time ladies and gentlemen……with Harrington crying his way out of here we are not in a position of strength, we have no leverage. if we can get Al for a plate of Pansit Palabok, we should take it.
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Oct 29, 2008 10:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
haha
pansit palabok sounds pretty good right now!! Let’s screw this season up and draft brandon jennings next season!!
by Young Moolah on Oct 29, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily true,
Because when a team wants you and knows other teams are interested. They know they still will have to out offer the other team. So they start bidding for you and drives up the offers. So the more rumors come out that a team is interested the better. That could make a better deal in return come back.
Mark McGwire proved a couple years ago teams shouldn’t even think short time deals are not good to deal for. When the A’s said they were trading McGwire. The Angels came out and made a big play for him as talks moved on. The Angels said wait why give a lot up for him, he wants to be here so we will just sign him as a free agent this off season. Angels got burned bad by this. Cardinals end up trading for McGwire. Even though McGwrie originally planned on signing in so-cal in the off season. He was treated so well in St Louis by the team and fans that he resigned there before anyone else had a chance.
Now teams realize if you really want a player, you will have to make a fair or more than fair offer.
by The Golden One on Oct 29, 2008 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: if we can get Al for a plate of Pansit Palabok, we should take it.
Throw in some lumpia shanghai and you’ve got yourself a deal! haha
by scottiepimppen on Oct 29, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we could get
tyrus thomas for harrington, i’d be OK with that.
by Foulacy on Oct 29, 2008 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There's absolutely no way that happens.
Come on now.
Something like Gooden and Sefolosha for Harrington and a pick…maybe
But Tyrus? LOL.
When I watch NBA games I often call the fouls before the referees do. Sometimes it’s a gift. Most of the time it's troublesome. - NBA Observer
by Illini15 on Oct 29, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
You do realize Tyrus Thomas is a dunk machine and nothing else right?
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago fans will probably chew you out for saying that.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rather have dunk machine
than get blocked while trying to post up inside when he’s not too busy jacking up 3 after 3 machine.
by misterjennings on Oct 29, 2008 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch more then
2 games with tyrus thomas, and then get back to me. No one with a straight mind would RIGHT NOW take that guy over Harrington.
by sjboy on Oct 31, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recent developments have me very concerned about the Warriors’ future. Mainly Nelson’s contract extension. I’m getting sick of him and his “doghouse.” People always defend him when he doesn’t play players because they say that he sees them play in practice. Well, recently, when Marcus Williams played well in a preseason game, Nelson refused to acknowledge it. Once he labels a player, that player is labeled for his entire time here, and that is dangerous. I thought this would be the last year of Nelson, and we would finally get ot move on from him next year. Having him another year will hold back the development of this team from a gimmicky pretender to a team that is comfortable with the role of favorite. He says he will allow the bench more playing time this year, but it is too hard to believe that coming from him. He has free reign with the franchise, and with that job security he could very well go back to old habits of playing 6 men and try and exhaust the franchise in order to achieve the wins record.
Harrington was right to say something. He was a much better player for the Warriors before Nelson forced him to become a defense stretcher. During the games Jackson was suspended he was one of the Warriors best players, probably because Nelson needed him. Azubuike should have been playing a lot more after the beginning of the season. Biedrins should have been playing a lot more, and I hope he does this year, but still.
The first year Nelson came, it was a meritocracy. Now, it is an autocracy that rewards Nelson’s favorites.
Nelson is overrated as hell by most of the NBA. I recognize his gameplanning skills, but he builds teams for entertainment, thrills and if he has a good enough team, regular season wins. One thing he doesn’t build them for are championships, his handling of the team last year proved that.
I’m praying that he does attempt to develop our team this year, since we have no shot in hell of making the playoffs hopefully he will realize that. And I will be optimistic and believe he will realize this. However, next year, I am concerned that he will mismanage what we have and stick us into a long run of mediocrity.
by belilaugh on Oct 29, 2008 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agree 100%
Nellie IS overrated — WAY overrated. The long and the short of it is he took a really bad team and made them better. And considering how lousy the Warriors had become, that really isn’t saying much but it does seem to make alot of people think he is god-like. He may be ok as a transition coach, but give the guy more than a year’s contract and things start going downhill fast.
We lost Baron over one more year in his contract, but we sign Nellie up for two more to help him try and claim the “most winning coach” title before he retires (if he ever really does retire – I’ll believe it when I see it) to console him for not ever winning a championship or getting into the Hall of Fame (because he is so widely unpopular). It wouldn’t be the first time the Warriors took a hit to indulge Nellie — think Chris Webber and the fiasco of last season when what could have been a nice rest period for the team during the All Star Game was spent in trying to find a way to blend an aging and weak Webber into the starting lineup because Nellie felt the need to make amends for his behavior over a decade ago. It wasn’t long after that Webber went bust and retired, all that time and effort was wasted. and our starting lineup began to suck from being wore out from all the minutes they were playing. Think they could have used that All Star break to energize instead of attending Nellie’s mandatory training camp??? Think that may have an an impact as to why we didn’t make it into the playoffs? Nellie got his chance to “make nice” with Webber, and we ended up with a starting lineup that was falling apart from exhaustion (not to mention what it did for the overall team morale).
do you think Al is the only Warrior wanting to bolt after learning Nellie’s contract had been extended?? dream on – his style of coaching does not inspire loyalty.
Mully will probably get the boot before the season is half over
Monta is filing a grievance
We couldn’t entice Brand even after offering 10 MILLION more than he’s getting from Philly
Hinrich has suddenly turned into gold (and would he even want to come here???)
I say ditch Nellie and keep Al.
by centerre on Oct 29, 2008 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Name a better Warrior coach
we’ve had the past 13 years.
by JakeGittes on Oct 29, 2008 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't that argument ever get old?
If you continue to set the bar at the level it was during “the drought years”, anybody that comes in and gets the team over .500 is going to achieve a god-like status in your mind. I remain of the opinion Nelson is a good transition coach but not one that is going to make a team progressively better in the long run. He is too inflexible.
by centerre on Oct 29, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree Nellie's not a genius, but look at this list of Warrior's coaches
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/coaches.html
players don’t want to come here b/c like all west coast teams not named the Lakers, you get no national media attention. most of our games haven’t started and sports shows like ESPN’s Fastbreak are already over. look at this Al Harrington trade demand. hardly anyone cares. Brand, like Baron, wanted to go home. Brand also delusionally thinks that (b/c it’s the East) they have a good chance of going deep into the playoffs.
let’s get this straight. there is no loyalty in the NBA. Al just wants minutes, he’s said he’d be fine with Nelson if he gets minutes. common sense tells us that this is about his next contract.
every coach has players that don’t want to play for them b/c of minutes. off the top of my head, Maggette & Dunleavy, Kirilenko & Sloan, any name here & Larry Brown, Artest & Carlisle, Riley & Haslem, Phil & Horace Grant…
players upset over how a coach uses them? the list goes forever, Flip Saunders with Rip, Big Ben. Mike Woodson & Josh Smith, BD & Byron Scott, Kidd & Lawrence Frank, Mo Cheeks & Matt Barnes, Larry Brown & every player he’s ever coached, Pat Riley & Shaq n’ Antoine among others, Phil Jackson & Odom, Shawn Marion & DeAntoni, Carmelo & Karl, Webber w/ every coach he’s ever played for save Adelman.
and these are just some of the ones that became public and that i can remember. there’s likely much, much, more. like i know Sam Mitchell had something w/ someone, but i can’t remember it.
Nellie is too old school and goes small way too much, but the grass isn’t always greener. if you were truly around the 1st time and not just a bandwagon fan, you’d realize that. ppl were saying the same thing back then as you are now after the original Webber debacle (which was a real personality clash).
or are you just upset over POB? he didn’t get in for Doc Rivers and the Celtics last night EVEN AFTER Kendrick Perkins fouled out…….and they don’t have a back up center… only guys off the bench are undersized (vertically) PFs in Big Baby Davis and Leon Powe.
by the evil monkey on Oct 29, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nellie overrated?
That;s why he’s the second winningest coach in history, and by the time he retires, he will be the winningest coach? He’s definitely overrated.
Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement
by StSaints408 on Oct 29, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lenny Wilkens
Is the winningest coach ever.
Which Coach makes your top 5?
Does Lenny? Cause I can think of 7 coaches before Lenny Wilkens.
NUmbers mean nothing. Impact means everything bro.
by sjboy on Oct 29, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
If taking a below team in the Western conference that has had three previous season with records of: 34-48, 34-48, and 37-45, and turning them into a playoff team in his first season, with a winning record of 42-40, then making them even better the next season with a 48-34 record. is not making an impact, then I dunno what is.
Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement
by StSaints408 on Oct 29, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes but...
they expect Nellie to win a championship with this roster otherwise he’s an overated coach hah!
by misterjennings on Oct 29, 2008 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on man lol
Thats not fair. That teams was 180 degrees of what it was for those 34 – 48 records. They only had Baron for half of the 37/45 season.
So no, not impressive!
by sjboy on Oct 31, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PLEASE...........
Nellie is the best thing the dubs have had for the last 2 decades and he has posted winning records the past 2 seasons. I dont give a crap if harrington cries about his role on the team. Hes getting paid ten mill suck it up big boy! People are in Nellies doghouse for a reason, and unless they do something about it they will continue to be there. Dont you think Nellie would play MWill if he thought he gave us the best chance to win? Of course he would Nellie will do anything to win! God some of us are so spoiled to sit here and complain about Nellie! I for one will give the fat old man some props for bringing life back into our franchise while the rest of you cry about how your team isnt perfect. I manage a grocery store and think I am very fair and make all my descisions within the best interest of the store, so I think Nellie should do the same. If people are crying cause they dont wanna be there, screw em! The grass isnt always greener on the other side as harrington will find out once hes gone. If players dont wanna play Nellie ball get rid of em theyre just spoiled overpaid brats. Ill do whatever Nellie asks me to do for ten mill thats for sure.!
by bigshotbob05 on Oct 29, 2008 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Building for the Future
Al Harrington
Marco Belinelli
1st round pick
To Oklahoma City for:
Nick Collison
Kyle Weaver
1st round pick
The Oklahoma City Thunder are without a scorer at the four spot. Nick Collison for Al Harrington would be a good trade for them because it would provide them with a some offensive punch at the four, a three-point shooter (which they don’t have), and instead of having Collison for 3 more years, they would have Harrington for just one and this would allow them to pursue a BIG time free agent at the end of the season to team up with Durant. (Boozer?) Big picture for OC, they do this trade because it puts them into position to get that star veteran from the free agent pool, who will help lead their young team, and allow their core to grow together. It also makes them a better team for the year.
Collison for Harrington would be a good trade for the Warriors because he is a rebound machine who will average a double double every game, YET, he is not the offensively demanding player Al Harrington is, and this would allow you to start Wright at the four, bringing Collison off the bench, where he should flourish. Now, there are no more excuses for stunting Wright’s growth, and we got some more rebounding help for AB and Turiaf. Collison is not bad at all under the rim either, he averages 10 points a game.
Swapping 1st round picks
This would undoubtedly work in the Warriors favor as I believe that they are a much better team than the Thunder. Maybe the teams on paper would suggest otherwise, and I suspect that teams around the league only expect the Warriors to be a marginally better team than the Thunder without Monta Ellis. To sum it up, people are counting us out of contention and into the lottery. The addition of their lottery pick for ours along with Collison’s 10 rebounds a game, is more than enough for me to be willing to eat the 3 remaining years of Nick’s contract. Essentially we would be getting a shot at a player like Blake Griffin, a top 3 pick, for an expiring, disgruntled Harrington, Belinelli who has underachieved, and our probable(I believe) 10-12 draft pick.
Belinelli for Kyle Weaver
Kyle Weaver is a 6-6 combo guard who handles the ball and passes extremely well for his position. He can defend, he can score, and he’s a particularly unselfish player. He is a better prospect then Belinelli. The hype of the league may prove otherwise, but we can use that hype to manipulate this early on in his career. The key word here is potential, and we would be using that ugly word to our advantage this time.
Anyways, this is what I would love to see happen in a somewhat perfect world. I just can’t see the beneficiary of adding a Tinsley. Why add another injury prone point guard who can’t run or defend just for the sake of having a “veteran” point guard? How would this help us continue on our journey of building a “core” to contend with? Obviously I would not object to adding another distributor, but not some old croak over 30 who’s just going to help keep us above water. If your going to build for the future with prospects, then do just that.
by JakeGittes on Oct 29, 2008 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Teams don't usually swap 1st rounders till after the lottery.
They usually want to see where they stand first.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Oct 29, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrington 4 Luol Dang
Dang I’d do that trade immediately !
Dr. Jeff
by JEFFSJAZZ on Oct 29, 2008 4:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
getting rid of nellie
and keeping al…..weve done that before and with a player 10000x more talented than Al and we all know what happened there. Sure Nelson hasnt won a ring as a coach but 1,000 won games means something i guess?
Tonight is going to be really really interesting.
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Oct 29, 2008 4:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
btw
i just want to punch rowell in the face..just to put it out there….
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on Oct 29, 2008 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nellie is the man
You guys shouldn’t be hating on Nellie. Love him or hate him, he’s a great coach. Just because some players can’t get along with him doesn’t make him “old school.” He seems to get along fine with Baron, Sjax, Monta, DeMarcus Nelson, etc. Hey, the people who under perform for him gets put in the doghouse as they should. He has a philosophy and it has garnered him a lot of wins…and soon to be the most wins. Nellie is a pimp, don’t hate.
-No Signature
by Doctor Kajita on Oct 29, 2008 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Al Harrington for Gasol and Crittenton
Do it.
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet. A Warrior in 09.
by ejdacanay on Oct 29, 2008 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ta'hellwit'em'all
would rather take the expiring than another overpaid player …
by hardcore on Oct 29, 2008 4:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope not
So I don’t know if anyone mentioned this, but it looks like Eddy Curry is not fitting into D’Antoni’s plans in NYC…and I really really hope Mully doesn’t get trigger happy and send Al for Curry..that would be disatrous…and it’s scary because the trade works financially, but on the bright side, Curry only has 2 years left on his contract as opposed to Al’s 1 year…So it’s not that long term….
Article about Curry
by markdavisbodyslam on Oct 29, 2008 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
no way in hell
curry is your prototypical underachieving, lazy, onceigetpaiddontneedtowork kind of player. you say he only has 2 years left, well why not just wait harrington’s contract out instead of add another year for a crappy player that nellie won’t use. the thing i hate about curry is that he doesn’t rebound well for a big man. his best season rebounding was a whopping 7rpg. shoot at this rate i’d rather trade harrington for a late 1st rounder.
by jurras1c5 on Oct 30, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
let him go
start magette at the 4, buike at the three. no problem
by dso on Oct 30, 2008 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If Harrington left...no biggie
Al was given as many minutes as he could handle last night and what did he do? Nothing really of note. He complains he isn’t being played enough and that Nellie is too hard on him. Well Al, you got your minutes and youwonder why Nellie rides your ass? Average player on an average team-point blank.
by gabezgsw on Oct 30, 2008 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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