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First game is PRIME EXAMPLE why I cant stand Don Nelson

I know some will say that the Warriors played a close game against one of the supreme teams in the NBA, but I saw the same overshadowing problem from last year.

That problem is not the players (though I'm sick of Harrington two years ago), but coach Nelson himself. Honestly, why are people supporting this man so hard? He has brought the Warriors to a competitive level, but I ponder why there always seems to be a large roadblock in-front anytime there is a chance for a win like tonight. Again, I KNOW THEY WERE IN THE GAME TILL THE END!!!, but Coach Nelson played 7 players (Watson does not count). THREE played 40+ minutes, FIVE total about 30+ minutes! mistakes happen with fatigue, and that is what cost the game in the end.

Before the possession where the Warriors turned the ball over on a simple inbounds with a chance to win, I said to my dad "they usually don't even get a shot off at these moments" and look what happened. Nelson did his team in way before that moment due to tiring them out up to that play. Yet the Warriors still had a shot to tie and what did they do???? the same ANNOYING play they did too many times last year....get the ball to AL HARRINGTON!! He is the last one I want to shoot, I'm sorry but that should NOT be his play. Again, BAD coaching, STUBBORN coaching.

My thing with Nelson is that he talks a good game, but he does not have the GUTS to expand his teams options. He sticks to what he feels comfortable and safe regardless if other options may pay greater results and be more logical. He refuses to step up and ever take responsibility for poorly coached games and he refuses to open his mind to what seems like common sense by now. What I am getting at is this:

- A few minutes for Marco to get some shots up and get us some points when we are running on a dry spell (We drafted him for his shooting right?). Marco’s gift is shooting, point-blank-period! Use him when there is a scoring drought. A couple threes would have helped tonight in certain points in the game like at the end of the first half where we gave up an 11 point lead (dry spell) and at the end of the game (AL Harrington???!!)

- A few minutes for B Wright and A Randolph for rebounding, aggressiveness, shot blocking, athleticism, FRESH LEGS giving time for the starters to catch their breath. We know Wright and Randolph are LONG and jump out the gym, they have a nose for the ball and make up a lot of ground on the court (I have always tried to point out Harrington, Biedrins and Jackson are “Bottom Heavy” players who are not jumpy NBA athletic). Wright and Randolph are momentum changing players at the very LEAST right now, and in a game where bodies are tired and need a rest or boost, fitting these two in for a spell make the greatest sense in the world!

- Draw some plays to get the offense moving around while in half court (something I thought would happen with B Diddy out, but no, still stagnate). This is a major factor that allows this team to get into those COMMON scoreless sprees and lose those leads FAST! Being stagnate leads to no flow to your game, allows the other team to rest and catch up to you and then leads to a loss, plain and simple.

These are all simple and also "common sense" points, yet coach Nelson seems too stuck in his ways to incorporate anything else but gutless, cancer-like game tactics that do nothing else but lead to 5-7 worn out players, 8 other players with DNP's and wasted resources and another missed shot by Al Harrington.

I still love my Warriors, but I feel as a loyal fan, the Warriors are not going to excel in any fashion with this coaches fake talk, spineless actions and stubborn attitude.

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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yup

we should just replace him with bob lanier, brian winters, adelman, cowens…………………..

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Oct 29, 2008 11:31 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

In the 4th quarter I was thinking about how we’d be down 20 without Nellie.

by sam23 on Oct 30, 2008 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

On my Bart ride home yesterday

from the game i thought about the awesome post i was going to make about why Don Nelson pisses me off. After reading this post i thought to myself, “Why mess with perfection?” Thanks for this post, now i know i’m not the only one who wants to ship Nelson back to Maui… Oh but wait he just got a contract extension.

I don’t care if the Warriors don’t make the playoffs, they’re not going to win jack with a seven man rotation anyway so develop your rookies! I’d rather see our players develop and lose some games than exaughst our veterans, win 49 games miss the playoffs, draft another rookie with great potential then watch him sit. I know there’s still 80+ games left this season but until i see change i’m gonna bitch since i’ve watched it happen for 3 years straight.

by VERY VERY BUSY on Oct 30, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

look at it this way, if you were the coach, having watched training camp

would you play a guy who is getting schooled by Al Harrington when Al isn’t practicing very hard and that guy is?

would you play Jiri Welsch? especially if you’re trying to win the game with defense?

would you play an overweight Mark Jackson, currently 43 yrs old, when all he wants to do is score 20 points a game and make razzle dazzle passes instead of doing what he does best which is distributing the ball and running the offense?

or the 2 inactive guys that couldn’t beat out these guys to make the active roster?

if you would, you’d probably be fired w/in a year.

by the evil monkey on Oct 30, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

You make good points except this was the first game of the season. And yeah, we were in the game…in fact, we had several chances to win the game. I thought the “fatigue 3” by Jax could have been avoided. That wasn’t Nellie’s fault. Jax had a choice of not chucking up a three at that time. So, that being said, I don’t see how you can fault Nellie for giving the Dubs a chance to win against the Hornets. Chris Paul made a great play at the end because that’s what he does.

I’m sure we’ll be seeing a lot of the bench on the upcoming road games…

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by Doctor Kajita on Oct 29, 2008 11:40 PM PDT reply actions  

This is more out of fustration of Nelsons coaching from the past season too

I see too many flaws with his strategy, tactics and reasoning. This has been an ongoing feeling I have had and I have yet to see any progression and change in his approach to coaching.

by ineemoney21 on Oct 30, 2008 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

your right about the fatigue 3

thats not nellie’s fault. jax has the green light to shoot. but nellie didnt give the them a chance to win in the end by playing jax the whole game. by having the starters log heavey minutes he didnt give them a chance. that was poor game management. this team proved the last 2 years that they can log 40+ minutes and still be effective in crunch time. thats his fault for not recognizing that.

be the change you wish to see in the world.

by Rach on Oct 30, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup x 2

It is ridiculous to watch this undrafted Nelson try to run the team. You gave up a # 1 for Marcus Williams. Let him play. Why have a draft if never going to let the players you draft play…except fot an undrafted guard that can’t shoot. Warriors are definitely a lottery team. You thin Jax is going to hit 3 like that on the road. Then I have to watch the high lights of Baron shaken and baken. What a joke. Then they stick it in your…and have the highest increase in ticket prices and didn’t even make th playoffs. Warriors were only in the game because Paul set out the first quarter. Beids and Maggete looked good. I cannot watch this if Nelson is the point guard. Wht a joke.

by Warriors Suck on Oct 29, 2008 11:43 PM PDT reply actions  

You’re kidding, right? DeMarcus Nelson held his own tonight. For an undrafted rookie, he did alright in his first NBA game playing against an elite team.

BTW, the Warriors played GREAT defense. Where’s the love for that? Everyone is so stuck on Nellie not playing the bench. It’s a non-issue. It’s the first game of the season…we lost to Chris Paul and the Hornets.

Here’s a quote from Nellie:

“They have two of the best players in the league on the same team. We knew they would hurt us…not that we played error free…but we followed our game plan pretty well. I was pretty proud of the fellas. I told the subs that I’m not going to be able to play these guys this many minutes on this next road trip or for long periods of time, so we’re going to use our bench more as we move on. I chose really just to play six or seven guys most of the minutes tonight. I thought we needed to do that to have a chance to win this game. I thought it was a good game. I enjoyed the competition and they’re very good. We played at a very high level so I have no complaints.”

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by Doctor Kajita on Oct 29, 2008 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

what?

there is a reason he wasn’t drafted……………….watch…..west have some of the best point guards out there and he will get schooled every night…baron to demarcus…..sleep floyd is rolling over in his grave

by Warriors Suck on Oct 30, 2008 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

do you think

that the warriors suck?

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Oct 30, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

You...

do not know SHIT about DeMarcus Nelson. He has more talent than you make it seem. For someone that has NEVER PLAYED POINT GUARD ON ANY LEVEL, DeMarcus is doing a damn good job. And if you think the Warriors suck, then go find something better to do with your time than talk shit about them.

FYI Sleepy Floyd ain’t dead homie, so get your facts straight.

by dindin on Nov 1, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

For someone that has NEVER PLAYED POINT GUARD ON ANY LEVEL, DeMarcus is doing a damn good job.

 But they don’t score the games by the curve.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 1, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

uh oh

now it’s starting to sound like 94-95.

by the evil monkey on Oct 30, 2008 12:20 AM PDT reply actions  

It's a long season

Do your heart and blood pressure a favor and pace your angers and frustrations.

We played well and were in the game vs. a possible title contender that played at virtually full strength. This is the kind of loss that you accentuate the positives of instead of dwelling on the negatives.

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Oct 30, 2008 12:37 AM PDT reply actions  

our bench sucks

Marco cant make a game time shot and he plays no defense, marcus was supposed to be our point guard… but so far in training camp and summer league hes been garbage. CJ watson is injured. AR and BW are practically rookies. In such a tight close game, how do u expect any nba coach to bring in subpar players and inexperienced rookies?

by Jollibee415 on Oct 30, 2008 12:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Last time I checked

Your not allowed to shoot when your sitting on the bench. I don’t understand where all the Marco hate comes from, the guy moved from Italy 1 year ago to a new system, a new game and a new country. Biedrins took 3 years to develop after 2 years of consistant game time.

by VERY VERY BUSY on Oct 30, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

dude...

seriously…you’re just making yourself look dumb now. Put in Marco? Really? So the other team can run circles around him while he shows off his horribly overrated shooting skills? AR so he can turn the ball over more then Jax?

One of the worst armchair coaching posts ever.

by kinetic on Oct 30, 2008 2:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Thank you I totally agree... Put in Marco, Randolph? Please

We were in this game the whole time, first game for this group together, I am impressed actually… that being said I would like to insert Marco early and see if he has his stroke, if not yank him quick, he is either on or off, I would have liked to see BWright get a few minutes also, but coach knows these guys better than us, I probably would disagree with having Demarcus out there with 30 seconds remaining as well as Harrington when he was having such an off night shooting, but Biedrins really let us down with his free throw shooting again, over all I find it hard to complain when you are in a game with a team as good as NOH…

by warriorbum on Oct 30, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did I say put Marco in for 30 minutes, NO. Lets not get Hostile and freak out

I’m just saying use what you got to help out what you rely on so what you rely on has some breaks and help. I can’t believe how close minded and unable to comprehend what is being written. I hope you guys are more educated than what you all are replying…..WOOOOW! I believe YOU are looking, sounding and surely are being as you suggested “Dumb right now”

Why is everyone bring up old coaches, “it was a close game” and young players are not that good? Lets use common sense…..

Old coaches with different players, people here are making pointless points. The fact is his coaching tactics have not done much to help the team and obtain the potential they can have. We have seen this team start to realize its potential in the playoffs against the Mavs, but since then the game-plan has not lead to much (that is a fact). If everyone is OK with the “same ol same ol” then that is fine, but I strive for more and in sports all the warriors are doing is setting themselves up for another competitive yet non playoff season with a HUGE possibility of turning our young talent frustrated, irritated and unsatisfied that they just up and leave to another squad and reaching their potential elsewhere. That is the reality of this coaching and management process. It is called "stagnate coaching" where yes they stay competitive, yet do not make the proper adjustments to et to the next level.

All I’m saying is that I see no growth, no change. Same old outcome.

by ineemoney21 on Oct 31, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, it appears that Nelson has dispelled the notion that he’s going to play Wright more this year.

by jae on Oct 30, 2008 2:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Well, I believe he was on the active roster. If he wasn’t ready to go, it’s curious why Hendrix or Morrow weren’t activated instead. I suspect it’s still just a case of Nellie being Nellie.

by jae on Oct 30, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

probably

though if he really told the subs they weren’t playing beforehand. it could be about protecting Wright from an image of being too soft to play through pain and a rep of always being injured.

it’s just weird that he dressed, yet didn’t play in the open practice.

i know he had the big toe infection or something like that and there were murmurs that he’s injury prone. obviously, it’s all conjecture and could be a moot point by Friday, but those toe things tend to linger.

by the evil monkey on Oct 30, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

ONE Game people, just one. If we know Nellie, he probably just experimented tonight. Obviously there were a lot of major flaws, but Nellie is what, 53 wins from the all time win record for coaches? He knows what to do, he’s just gotta figure out what type of cards he’s been dealt. Once he establishes who his players are, he’ll get it right.

Obviously he was trying to win this game by playing the Vets to the max, but when we play teams like Minnie, Memphis, OKC, the Nellie experiments will come into full effect because he can afford to experiment more, while trying to win the game (his ultimate job). He is not going to throw away some games so the younger kids can get some run. Nellie knows pre season performances mean very little, so I think the next 4-6 games we’ll be seeing all kinds of minutes and lineups for all of us to judge where we stand (not good for Harrington though since the only thing keeping him happy right now is consistant minutes).

by q00pster on Oct 30, 2008 2:56 AM PDT reply actions  

ONE Game

I agree with you, but it is important to remember that one game can be the difference between the playoffs and a mediocre pick in the lottery. And as for Nelson playing more bench players… the first thought that comes to mind is something about old dogs and one’s ability to teach them new tricks.

by Axel Foyle on Oct 30, 2008 5:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with each word in this post

Nelson has lost credibility in my eyes after tonight.I mean WTF jackson couldn’t even take a breath in the fourth which lead to five straight bricks.This is so depresing having all that talent just to watch them rotting on the bench since the coach is a COWARD who IMO only cares about his record and gives a s..t about our future.Young players can improve only by playing and experience will come if you play with the best (CP3) not Memphis scrubs.I guess we will see a lot of seven man rotation this year which will worn out our players and bring us mediocre results.

by buky on Oct 30, 2008 4:06 AM PDT reply actions  

This is so depresing having all that talent just to watch them rotting on the bench since the coach is a COWARD who IMO only cares about his record and gives a s..t about our future.

Nellie’s job as a coach is to win games. If he put in one of the turnover prone rookies or defenseless, supposedly sharp shooters in a very close game versus a very good team, alot of you guys here would be crying about that too. I dont mind if Nelly puts in the rookies during the bobcats or versus oklahoma… but if we have a chance to beat new orleans at home… we better leave the damn vets in.

I guess we will see a lot of seven man rotation this year which will worn out our players and bring us mediocre results.

No we wont… we might see mediocre results because our team is a little bit lacking compared to most of the other west teams, but we wont be limited to 7. CJ makes 8, monta makes 9… All the other guys will make their way into the rotation once they prove themselves a little bit more.

by Jollibee415 on Oct 30, 2008 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Go Warriors!

Nellie did an outstanding job keeping us close to the Hornets. The guys played hard and with a lot of heart. Good things to come.

by obiandandy on Oct 30, 2008 7:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Warrrios matched up well

Nellie is one of my favorite coaches, he knows the up tempo ball. Having said that I agree with the first post. In my opinion a 7 man rotation will not cut it. Jax missing his last 7 shots because of playing 48 minutes! No other TEAM only rotates 7 players ( not including Watsons 1 1/2 mins) Being a high school coach myself, you find a way to give your starters 2-3 minutes a quarters rest. Yeah it’s excruciating but your starters have energy to finish the game/ 4th qtr.
How are Wright, Bellineli, Randolph supposed to gaing experience, confidence and prove their “potential” ? Did you see when he put D. Nelson in the last 15 secs and he tried to go at CP3? Thats allot to ask of a guy whos been sitting the bench for 30+ minutes. He was cold and was not in rythym, he got caught in the air and passed the bal out of bounds. My point is with a short rotation you bench guys aren’t ready.
Nellie said he’d play the young players and give them a chance. Jax played 48 minutes and that didn’t help on when we were down 1pt with 17 secs and all he had to do was pass it to Maggette….if Monta was playing we might of stole this game from a top seeded team.

by GGMan on Oct 30, 2008 8:47 AM PDT reply actions  

This is a test..

We can all see Nellie was experimenting:

He had Jackson, Azabuke, Harrington, Turiaf, and Biedrins all at once at one point in the game. I like this direction – we are going big and quick!

by Darkcloud on Oct 30, 2008 8:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah...

It’s going to be a long season of different lineups and rotations. I just hope we don’t hear the same people complaining about the 7 man rotation when we use a 9 – 10 man rotation and lose to the Clippers. BTW, the OT said he was watching Baron shake-n-bake on ESPN…yeah, he went 4 for 13 and had 11 pts and 7 assists.

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by Doctor Kajita on Oct 30, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

...what are you basing it on?

-bellinelli started the preseason off ok, but for the past 3 weeks, the word is he can’t hit a shot (open or contested) in practice or in preseason games…just look at his stats…

-anthony randolph is a turnover prone rookie…this would have been his first game out of college (where he was only there for a year)…how many rookies make it into a close game the first game of their career against a western conference semifinalist?

-brandan wright has shown definite potential and improvement over the past year, but the one thing he has not shown is aggresiveness. putting him inside against the likes of tyson chandler would have been depressing to watch…tyson is one of the dirtier inside players in the league and bwright wouldve gotten torn up at this stage…

AND how can you say those 2 lefties are momentum changers?! Randolph hasn’t played in an NBA game EVER…and BWright never changed a game for the Warriors last season? You can’t seriously be basing everything you say on Hollinger and the rest of those fools at ESPN.com…

-Nelson did call out some plays…but he can’t implement an elaborate offensive scheme right now because…THERE’S NO POINT GUARD…Jack did a pretty damn good job, but you start asking him to do too much and he becomes turnover prone…Frankly I’m surprised he didn’t turn it over more…

And what about the TEAM defense? They played some pretty good defense against the hornets…their rotation was pretty good (slow at times) but for the most part…they slowed down a really good Hornets team that could not miss a shot…

I agree that Jackson was tired at the end and was probably why he started missing shots…but this was the HOME opener…I don’t blame Nellie for running out the veterans cuz honestly, this game had a playoff feel to it…(the home openers usually do)

…and to his credit we were close…if he threw the rookies (and sophs) out there, i don’t think there’s any way this game is close…the warriors had an opportunity to steal this game and just barely missed it…

As for Harrington taking the last shots…I think Nellie was just trying to call him out and put him on the spot….

If Harrington makes those shots…great…the team wins…

If he misses…that’s why Nellie doesn’t put him as much as he wants…

(And for all that talking Al did….how about that clutch possession with under 2 minutes to go and he gets blocked by david west from behind 2 feet from the basket? maybe that’s why Nellie likes to have you patrolling the 3 point line)

by wizard5ive on Oct 30, 2008 9:31 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Marco’s gift is shooting?

   Haha, Marco’s gift was getting drafted.
         I’ve got lots of problems with Nellie and his style of play and was glad when he left last time but I think he did as well as could be expected against the Hornets , and I did like the big line up. The main problem is thinking D.Nelson can lead a playoff team, we should been looking for a guard when it became apparent that Williams was not gonna make in in Nellieland.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 30, 2008 10:11 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah we should have

started one of our other guards like….. ummm……Monta! No Monta is injured….. Ummmm, how about CJ Watson? No Watson was hurt too….. Marcus Williams? The dude was sitting at the end of the bench the entire game, Hendrix and Morrow were in street clothes higher on the bench then Williams, I almost thought he was a hardcore fan in full Warriors gear!

Nelson did well in the situation, if we can give JTO Sullivan a chance and Mike Nolan all those years of GOD AWFUL FOOTBALL, PLEASE GIVE OUR ROOKIES A CHANCE!

Besides any playtime for a rookie under Don Nelson is like winning the Lotto on a leap year wearing Ruby Red slippers in the land of OZ. Just be thankful it happend!

by VERY VERY BUSY on Oct 30, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

jto has been benched, nolan fired

not a strong arguement there

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Oct 30, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he was given his chance.

I’m not saying Nelsons the answer, not even saying he’s any good, but don’t cut him down right away. JTO is benched because he deserves to be after his failed performance, but nobody in the world can say that Nelson doesn’t deserve to play given that our next option at PG is Jackson.

by VERY VERY BUSY on Oct 31, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

WE BELIEVE sure as hell went South, That was a great game... you haters suck

I still believe, how do you haters criticize, the only way for the top guys to gel is to play together, that is what they were trying to accomplish last night, and be the way that is the only chance we had to win that game, Jax did great, sure he got tired but he did great, Maggette showed he is worth every penny, Buike showed he was a steal at 3 mil per, Turiaf showed he is worth his weight and a great addition, D. nelson played great for a rook, I personally do not think either him or TMNT should have been in last 30 seconds but not my call, I STILL BELIEVE…..

by warriorbum on Oct 30, 2008 11:05 AM PDT reply actions  

AMEN!!!

I BELIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEVE

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by Doctor Kajita on Oct 30, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow!

finally another warrior who hasnt jumped ship. looks like the old school adam okeefe bimbo coles fans are showing through again!

by BillieHoyle on Oct 30, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did I say I jumped ship? read the end of the post. WOW....there sure are some

people here that seem to not like to read or cant read well, which one are you little Billie???

I said at the end of my post:

“I still love my Warriors, but I feel as a loyal fan, the Warriors are not going to excel in any fashion with this coaches fake talk, spineless actions and stubborn attitude.”

This is just a post, let go of your internet hater badge and just accept that there are some different views than you about SOME details about the team we all love.

P.S. If you need help improving your reading problems, I am willing to help.

by ineemoney21 on Oct 31, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

One thing pessimistic people overlook....

The Hornets are a QUALITY TEAM! They’re playoff bound, and probably championship material. I was at the game last night and the fact that they were even that close makes it the best opening game I’ve been to in the past few years.

I biggest qualm about the team right now is even though we have a different cast of players, we still play the same as we did last year. What that means is, everyone is still gonna be involved in the helter skelter type of offense, we’re just going to have lower calibur players taking the shots. When the shots fall (which will be less often than last season), we can win games. When they don’t, everyone will complain how horrible of a coach Nellie is.

Seriously, when the best player out on the floor is Stephen Jackson or Corey Maggette, you’re just not going to win games like these as often as you’d like. When Monta comes back, we’ll have a more well balanced team with one slasher, two shooters and a player to clean up the mess in the middle.

Unfortunately, we don’t have the type of players to change this because our objective right now is to win, not to groom the youngsters. If the season gets progressively worse, then we can give the youngsters time to grow… but until then, put the best team out there to get the win.

by Mr. Monday Night on Oct 30, 2008 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

could not agree more

First off, hello to everyone, first post. I agree with ineemoney21. Playing seven men does not get the job done! Does not instill any confidence or experience in our youth. I thought with the 2 year extension that nellie signed, there would be a lot less of something like this happening, you know- the win now at any cost, because he doesn’t have the Warriors future in his mind- but that is not the case, if nellie {or us} is going to have a winning team in the future, the younger guys MUST get some minutes. I also think last night would have been the perfect time for nellie to give some of the youth some minutes, unlike some have suggested {including nellie}, the younger guys play better at home in front of a friendly crowd, saving them for a road trip, will again do nothing for there confidence. What is the difference between exhusted veterans making crucial turnovers & missings open shots, to cost us a game, or our youth making those mistakes earlier in the game against the oposing teams second unit? The answer is both end up without a win, buy only one, gives the playing time to gain the experience, to become a better team.

by trophyfish on Oct 30, 2008 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

+ 1

Win now with this team will lead us to another mediocre season 38-44 which we saw for thirteen years.Is this team that stupid that it can’t learn nothing from that many looooooooooosing seasons?
And our young players will run away to a rival team where they will at least have a chance of displaying their talent.

by buky on Oct 31, 2008 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Win

It seems everyone likes that fact that we were playing to win but how in gods name does harrington starting a media circus and going on to play a mediocre game give us the best chance to win when we traded away one of our best players in our playoff runs to get a player that plays harringtons position?

by muftak on Oct 30, 2008 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Get Ready Folks

Last nights game is going to illustrate how the rest of the year will go. The Dubs will be a competitive team in the West. I can see them losing a lot of games this year where they are in the game for a very long time, but when it really counts, the lack of a star and real bonafide talent will expose how they aren’t a Playoff caliber team and are very average at best in the West.

Nellie, that’s nice you “had” to play the best players out there to win. If that’s the case and you play your starters 40 minutes a night, where will they be 40 games from now? On the bench with an injury? On the floor shooting air balls like SJax because they are sucking wind? Please play Randolph. Please play Wright. At least do so when we play virtually anyone in the East and teams out West like Oklahoma, Minn, Clippers, Grizz and SacTown. I love Nellie, but we all know the Dubs aren’t going to make the Playoffs in a conference that has 75% of the elite teams in the entire NBA, so with that being said, is it time to divert from the Nellie we all know that plays the hell out of his best players, or will Nellie adopt a new method of exposing his newbie’s to the riggers of the NBA so at the least he and the rest of us can see what some of our young guys bring to the table in a game time situation-not just practice.

BTW Harrington, you can leave at any moment you wish. Average player on an average team.

by gabezgsw on Oct 30, 2008 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I totally disagree

let me start off by saying i like nellie, but hes not my favorite. i wouldnt mind keith smart next year, but thats out the window.

anyways, lets be honest here. we dont have our best player, Monta. the hornets might be top 3 in the west. we were in it until the end. how can you blame fatigue during the last 3 minutes of the game? these are professional athletes. Its the first game of the season. when the game is on the line adrenaline alone could have put them through 2x overtime periods.

i do think we should have seen at least some spot minutes from AR, B-Wright and even A. Mo but lets be honest. we were in it. the turnover on the in-bounds had absolutely nothing to do with fatigue or coaching. Players have to take responsibility for mistakes like this. if Jax was so tired that he wasnt able to throw an in-bounds pass he needs to hit the gym. maggette is went off the curl and the ball was the other way. just bad communication with 2 players who played their first nba game as teammates.

btw. if harrington doesnt shoot it who will? jax will probably hoist a 3 when all we need is a 2. I think maggette should have took it to the hole but if not him i like harringtons chances.

by BillieHoyle on Oct 30, 2008 1:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Did you watch the game?

Didn’t you saw Jackson grasping for the air in the fourth quarter?And he played the point!

by buky on Oct 31, 2008 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

some of you guys are nuts

we aren’t trying to say play our bench half the game, we’re saying give them a minute or two, just enough for some of our starters to take a breather and possibly to see if any of them can get it going. jacks missed, what, his last 7 shots, i’m attributing that to being tired and that stems from bad coaching. all of you guys are saying well it’s our first game and it’s cuz of nelly why we were so close to beating a powerhouse like NO. it wouldn’t have been as close if jackson would have made half of those last 7 shots, and he would have done that if he had some legs under him. we needed this game. a W would have given the dubs a lot more confidence, especially with all these road games ahead of us.

And what’s with all this “armchair” coaching. I’ve been a fan forever so I’m allowed, as well with every other dub fanatic, to be a F&@$ING ARMCHAIR COACH…

all in all it was a good game, i just wish we could close out more games like this one. I’ll tell you one thing i loved, THE DEFENSE!! Finally we showed we can play descent D!!

by Young Moolah on Oct 30, 2008 2:32 PM PDT reply actions  

strange play call at the end

harrington was 5-17 from the field, struggling with his shot…and the play was drawn up for him?? i’m a wandering sonics fan and this was my first full warriors game i have watched, is this normal from nelson? it seems the play should’ve been called for maggette and a quick drive to the hoop for points (8 seconds left on the clock), because jackson was too tired to shoot anything. harrington though?!?

also, it doesn’t make sense to play only 7 players, especially when you can have four quality rotating players on the floor at all times (jackson, maggette, biedrins, azubuike, harrington, turiaf) and add one developing player (bellinelli, randolph, wright) who’s weaknesses will be covered by the FOUR other capable players. that’s what i consider reasonable for a team with a good mix of young players, veterans, and potential break out players.

by Brickowski BOOM on Oct 30, 2008 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

EVERYTHIN YOU SAID IS WHAT I WAS THINKING

From the end of the 1st quarter to the end I was laughing because of what don nelson said in the middle of the offseason. “IM GOING TO PLAY THE YOUNG GUYS” not the exact quote. I was laughing at how silly his lie was. Give them 4 to 8 minutes at leasst with mags, or 1 out of the three captains on there. at least dont let them ride the bench. I know this will sound so damn redundent but fuck, NELLIE GIVE YOUR players a chance especially belli, wright, and anthony a chance, how the fuck are they going to develop. Since all of those three were drafted in the first round, one in the top ten, 2 from the top 15. When will he play his draft picks huh, when we get a FUCKING number 1 pick, hah like that will ever happen!

BD-FOR-P!

by BDForPresident on Oct 30, 2008 3:47 PM PDT reply actions  

With Nellie you have to use the reverse of what he's saying

So I’m waiting for a day when he says he will not play the young guys anymore.

by buky on Oct 31, 2008 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

this game was really important to them

it was important to them because if would set it off right, and no way i mean winning 50-30 in the season, but hey it could set the teams hopes and confidence up

BD-FOR-P!

by BDForPresident on Oct 30, 2008 3:50 PM PDT reply actions  

if i could do the opposite of rec on this post

i would.
don nelson kept this game close. players didn’t make shots. while i would have liked to have seen wright, i believe he’s hurt. ya, put in marco… lol.

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Oct 30, 2008 4:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I CAN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE!!

i agree with you 100%. we’re never going to be an elite team under Don Nelson! he is too stubborn and stuck in his ways! all he’s good for is riding the veterans til the wheels fall off, a couple of good inbounds plays here and there and ruining young rookies careers!! i can’t stand this guy and i hate the fact that we extended his contract for 2 more years. that is not good news for the warriors or the development of any of our young guys! i love the warriors but i’m done with Nelly!! let’s start a fire nelly movement!! who’s with me?

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Oct 30, 2008 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

...

It’s great for the warriors. If the young guys don’t come along in a year of practice and a year of garbage time, they weren’t good enough to begin with.

by mattmonay on Oct 30, 2008 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Year of practice! You must be joking

Tell me when do you practice on a 5 game road trip? In NBA you play there is little time to practice in the regular seasons. In Europe players have 3 practices in a day allmost every day.

by buky on Oct 31, 2008 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

i agree with you 100%. we’re never going to be an elite team under Don Nelson! he is too stubborn and stuck in his ways!

you’re right… and we’re never going to be an elite team under bob lanier, rick adelman, pj carlesimo, gary st. jean, dave cowens, brian winters, eric musselman and mike montgomery. None of these coaches were able to take us to the playoffs, even when the west was a lot weaker. Theyre subpar coaches who did a subpar job. Dont be crying later on when Keith Smart gets us only 30 wins per season.

Its not like the league is overflowing with top elite coaches. Don Nelson is a hall of fame coach… he was the only coach to get us to the playoffs, since his last tenure… Respect that.

by Jollibee415 on Oct 30, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

??
Don Nelson is a hall of fame coach

that’s news to me

by centerre on Oct 31, 2008 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

that's news to me

perhaps you should try reading a newspaper once in a while

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Oct 31, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why is everyone bring up old coaches? Lets use common sense.....

Old coaches with different players, people here are making pointless points. The fact is his coaching tactics have not done much to help the team and obtain the potential they can have. It is called “stagnate coaching” where yes they stay competitive, yet do not make the proper adjustments to et to the next level.

All I’m sayin is that I see no growth, no change. Same old outcome.

by ineemoney21 on Oct 31, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

The fact is his coaching tactics have not done much to help the team and obtain the potential they can have

  His coaching was the reason we played the hornets so close. Play the kids and we’d been down 20 points by the 3rd quarter. Sure I’d like to see us play like the Kobe/Shaq lakers or the Jordan/pippen bulls but we don’t have the personnel, Nellie gets a lot out of nothing. his real fault is he likes to keep the roster weak so he can play the under dog part . It is what it is, as long as nellie is here the best we can expect is winning games we shouldn’t from playing the vets. If he starts to play the rookies we’ll know we are screwed.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2008 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

So how many games did we won with Nelson tactics?

000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Yeah but it’s okay at least it was close we warriors fans like to be around no matter the outcome!!!jackson averaging 45 min. most of it at the point is REALLY PROMISING.Mediocre warriors once again.Damn i surely did miss them.

by buky on Oct 31, 2008 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

So how many games did we won with Nelson tactics?

         What was it, 46 last year? Better than average as jae would say.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 31, 2008 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

And how many important ones did we won when playoff was on the line?

00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000And why?
Hmmmm……Exhausted players maybe?

by buky on Nov 1, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

that's a lot of zeroes

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 1, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

exhausted players is a myth. no other team makes this excuse.

the warriors had only 1 guy (Baron) in the top 10 in total minutes. Jackson was 31st.

Baron played 4 more minutes all regular season than Kobe. why wasn’t Kobe exhausted during the post season?

the Answer, Lebron and Joe Johnson are the only players who averaged over 40 a night. man, how come they weren’t exhausted by season’s end.

the w’s weren’t exhausted from playing, they were exhausted from partying the night before a game.

by the evil monkey on Nov 1, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why you on his jock so hard?

why u so in love with Nelly anyway? the Warriors will never get to championship status with him. with all the talent that we have, i can coach this team and win more ball games in a season than him!! even though you’re dumb and blind, you can probably coach this team and you’ll have a winning season! haha!! he should just go retire already and live in hawaii with his gay dog Lucky! i’m fed up with his “I’m the boss” attitude! he needs to give in and let our young players thrive! he’s done! he shouldn’t be coaching anymore and that’s it! NELLY LOVERS MOVE OUT THE WAY!! THE OVERTHROW NELLY MOVEMENT BEGINS NOW!!

by ItsDatFriscoSwag415 on Oct 31, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

um. i agree Wright and Marcus should get 10-15 minutes a game, but.... "all this talent?"

don’t be such a homer. in 30+ years of coaching, name me one player that nellie hasn’t liked that turned out to be a player… i mean come on. just recently, he’s been right about Diogu (even though you all were clamoring for him), looks like he’s right about POB and Lawrence Frank/Rod Thorn/Kiki Vandeweghe pretty much brought in Keyon Dooling ahead of Marcus Williams.

right now, Wright’s game is that of a poor man’s Chris Gatling. guy got destroyed by Andres Bargnani. he would had 0 pts in his 1st game. Wright let him get going and built up his confidence, probably why we lost the game.

Belinelli is Jiri Welsh.
Randolph’s game is a PF version of a homeless man’s AK47 w/ MP’s propensity for traveling.
as much as fans wish for it,
Hendrix is no Millsap
Morrow is no Redd

sheesh, i’m willing to put money that you also think the refs screw the Warriors over.

by the evil monkey on Oct 31, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow

You people actually think that putting in the rookies (and/or young people) would have helped? Sure, as the season goes on we need some people to pick up the slack and give the big boys a rest, but jesus, there is NO way in any part of that game that a rookie in there changes the outcome for the better. Ok… Ronnie Turiaf had a terrible game (24 minutes, 0 points, 4 boards, 4 fouls), maybe Randolph coming in for 12 of those minutes would have helped. I can’t see him not getting a point, and I can’t see him bricking 2 layups. Regardless, I’m completely sick of the people on here calling for Wright and Bustinelli to get minutes. That is ridiculous- one is a big man with very little offensive talent, no mass to help out his minimal skills on the defensive end, and NO fire or killer instinct. The other is a 3 point specialist who can’t hit shots in real games. Get the f(*& over this. Fast. If you want to watch these totally unpolished guys play basketball, realize you don’t have the teams success in mind.
/Rant over.

by mattmonay on Oct 30, 2008 7:33 PM PDT reply actions  

p.s.

I thought I was going to like Turiaf… Boy did he prove me wrong.

by mattmonay on Oct 30, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well clearly playing vets for the whole game didn't help

How many games did we win?????????
Team success-HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH you must be joking

by buky on Oct 31, 2008 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

well get used to it, Nellie for 2 more years. i guess you can always become a Kings fan.

 Yeah, Why din’t we draft that Spencer Hawes kid? Was he in the Bellinelli draft class ?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 1, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

i'm not a hawes fan at all

he looked awful in the summer league…always battling with the refs and whining about something. he got D’d up by kurz pretty well.

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 1, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

well you sure don't make a whole lot of sense

judging by your 00000000000000000000000 posts

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 1, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

judging by your 00000000000000000000000 posts

  Reminds me of a parking lot full of Edsels.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 1, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

uh... yeah. where'd i say you were a bandwagon fan?

so… for example… if i said that something you said was an oxymoron, would you think i was insulting you?

seriously, you’re ultra sensitive. i’m guessing, the way you react, you must be made fun of a lot. you should seriously look into anger management.

read, i was saying that we’re stuck with nellie for 2 more years. IF we want to see youngsters play, we could always watch those 4 teams, b/c on those 4 rebuilding teams, that’s all they do.

by the evil monkey on Nov 1, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

IF we want to see youngsters play, we could always watch those 4 teams, b/c on those 4 rebuilding teams, that’s all they do.

  Haha, You could market a special cable package for rookie lovers, on the learning channel.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 1, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

agree, but let's not go crazy after one game

I think not playing Wright or Williams was the biggest mistake. What could Nelson do that Williams couldn’t? And don’t say defense cuz they just put him on Peja where he got abused anyway.

However, this is just one game. Nelson promised more PT for Marco and Wright, and I believe him. He probably just didn’t like the matchup. Wright (or Randolph for that matter) would’ve been absolutely abused by West down low, and I don’t want to even think about one of them trying to guard Peja on the perimeter.

Wright should play (maybe start) against Toronto. Bosh matches up perfectly for Wright, and Marco should be able to handle whoever the Raptors throw out there at shooting guard. Just give it some time.

by ERock386 on Oct 30, 2008 9:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Don Nelson

is nuts for not playing more people. He is playing to win and not to develop. Something honestly right now is ridiculous. Have you guys seen the Lakers? lol. THanks Don, thanks alot for nothing.

Its no wonder EVERY SINGLE TEAM he goes to he leaves with burned bridges.

by sjboy on Oct 31, 2008 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Realization

Yes the Dubs would of had a better chance with Mag’s or Buike taking the last shot against the Hornets.
Yes the Dubs needed SJax to take a breather.
Yes Monta will come back while being gone almost 1/3 of the season.
Yes that BWright/Randolph/Belinelli are not as talented as our best 7 guys.

But, the question is, will the Dubs make the Playoffs? If they are headed in a direction at some point in the next 6 weeks to stay in the “realistic” hunt for the palyoffs, maybe the 7 player rotation should be adhered to. I don’t think the Dubs will be in the mix though, thus we should play our younger players for christ sakes. If they are being payed and aren’t playing, the Dubs should trade their asses for some productive players that will help this team get to the playoffs.

From this point after watching the two summer leagues and pre-season, while also having a good understanding of Warriors history(‘85-present), I don’t see them going to the playoffs. With that said, just fu*king play the youngsters at some point Nellie and give the Dubs the ability to say they have explored all their options!

by gabezgsw on Oct 31, 2008 10:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Why is everyone bring up old coaches and young players? Lets use common sense.....

Why is everyone bring up old coaches, “it was a close game” and young players are not that good? Lets use common sense…..

Old coaches with different players, people here are making pointless points. The fact is his coaching tactics have not done much to help the team and obtain the potential they can have. We have seen this team start to realize its potential in the playoffs against the Mavs, but since then the game-plan has not lead to much (that is a fact). If everyone is OK with the “same ol same ol” then that is fine, but I strive for more and in sports all the warriors are doing is setting themselves up for another competitive yet non playoff season with a HUGE possibility of turning our young talent frustrated, irritated and unsatisfied that they just up and leave to another squad and reaching their potential elsewhere. That is the reality of this coaching and management process. It is called "stagnate coaching" where yes they stay competitive, yet do not make the proper adjustments to et to the next level.

All I’m saying is that I see no growth, no change. Same old outcome.

by ineemoney21 on Oct 31, 2008 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

play everyone

i completely agree that don nelson has to play everybody
he also needs to play the rooks more!

by thedagger on Oct 31, 2008 6:38 PM PDT reply actions  

He cannot play everyone...

…yet?

I have a love-hate feeling about Nellie. He is a great game coach but his Ego is bigger than any active player in the NBA which drives me crazy. He is a business man first and is not worried so much about us loyal fans. He is funny but extremely arrogant…nobody loves Nelson more than Nelson..not even Joy loves the guy that much. Smoking cigars, hanging with Willie and Woody in Maui…gimme a break…what happened to that tractor driving good ol boy that coached the Bucks? You seemed so real and now you just name drop and come off more like Jimmy Buffet than the coach I once loved? Please do not defend Jimmy Buffet…he is a complete waste of music!

Nelson likely has a plan of when he is willing to start playing the younger players. It has less to do with how they do in practice than it does ticket sales. If the Nelson starts playing the youth and they lose, fans will think he is packing it in and concentrating on the future. For loyal fans, this is great because we all know that (even with Monta), the Warriors will not make the playoffs. They will be lucky to win 30 games this year. I hope I am wrong but Jackson at point guard, hahahaha. They made the playoffs because of Baron Davis. Remember how good Monta was in the playoffs? He was about as good in the playoffs as he is at peddaling a moped (if that story is even true).

Nelson has to win to get people to come to the games, it’s his job! We just have to hope that he is not more worried about himself (his record) and honestly cares about the future of this team. The future is sitting on the bench for now but we’ll see what happens when they are 5 and 15?

I love the way he coaches, I love the style and pace of the games but I could never love anything as much as he love himself. Go Warriors!

  

by Moped Army on Nov 1, 2008 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

They will be lucky to win 30 games this year.

 Actually they surprised me with their competitiveness these first two games. We coulda very well won both so I’m now hoping for a .500 season . I like the bigger line up better than the small ball. I’m just waiting for the other teams to start pressing Jax when he plays point to end that experiment, but as long as they let him bring it up we might as well take advantage of the larger size it allows.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 1, 2008 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

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