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RECAP: Warriors 103, Hornets 108 – More Questions than Answers

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Welcome to the Bay!

The Golden State Warriors went toe to toe with the 2nd best team in the Western Conference and arguably 3rd best team in the league and nearly came away with a win. They matched the Hornets blow for blow all the way down to the wire and started off this season with a lot of excitement. Some questions were answered about whether or not this team would be competitive but there are lots of open questions about leadership, rotation, and big shot capability. Despite the loss, the Warriors showed they could hang with the elite teams - definitely encouraging for the fans.

The Warriors staged a nice comeback after the game seemed to be slipping away. After being down 6 with 5 minutes to go, with some nice defensive plays and key shots, they were able to grab the lead with 28 seconds left. But alas, the Hornets were just too good. Well, Chris Paul was just too good as he drove by Jax for the layup to take the lead for good.

Hit the jump for some more thoughts on the game...

Update: Also check out SB Nation's New Orleans Hornets blog , At The Hive for their recap.

 

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Lineup and Rotation
I guess we should have seen this coming. The combined minutes of Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli, Anthony Randolph, and Marcus Williams were exactly 0. I didn't expect all 12 guys to hit the court, but I thought at least Wright would play. Perhaps it was a bad matchup for Wright to play against the bigger Tyson Chandler or the bull David West. Nellie talks about playing the young guys, but when it comes down to real game scenarios where he wants to win, those guys never touch the court.

Can you blame him? He's got his best guys out on the court in a close game. He simply can't afford to give up a bucket here or bucket there because of the young guys. You saw how quick he was to pull DeMarcus Nelson - he played just 2.5 minutes before being pulled and only 13 minutes overall.

Nellie is a creature of habit and trust. If he doesn't trust you, you won't play. So any thoughts of Wright or Belinelli starting or playing significant minutes can just go out the window. Nellie's going to go with who he trusts and that's basically 6 guys: Biedrins, Jackson, Maggette, Turiaf, Harrington, and Azubuike. Jax never left the floor tonight. Harrington played 42 minutes, Kelenna played 43 minutes, and had Biedrins not fouled out, you can bet he'd be playing around 33 minutes. If this is the lineup Nellie uses, it'll be interesting because he has to go big with it. Quite often, Biedrins and Turiaf were on the court at the same time with Al and Jax. The problem is these guys cannot keep up these minutes the entire season. In fact, they probably can't keep up those minutes even until Monta gets back. There needs to be a solution for establishing the bench and getting these guys breaks.

 

Point Problems
There are going to be some serious problems at the point guard position if Mullin doesn't go swing a trade for someone who can actually play point. I know Nelson is a rookie, but he just wasn't very good tonight. Nellie gave him the opportunity to play, but he didn't deliver. For someone who's supposed to be a defensive stopper, he didn't do a lot of stopping. First off, Jax had to guard Chris Paul and when Nelson guarded Peja, he got shot over too easily.

Okay, so why not try CJ or Marcus Williams? Well CJ played a couple minutes and was ineffective. Marcus Williams is in the doghouse and I don't expect him to get out anytime soon.

So, Jax had to run the point nearly the entire night with Azubuike sprinkling in the ball handling duties. Not the ideal situation. There were occasions when the two of them had trouble bringing the ball up against pressure by the Hornets guards. Even on defensive rebounds, when the Warriors want to get out and run, there's no point guard who's going to go retrieve the ball and push the break. So they end up either bringing the ball up themselves or looking to push with someone who's decision making skills in the open court are below average.

Unless Mullin brings someone in who can play the point, there will be a point by committee and eventually teams will figure out how to pressure the Warriors ballhandlers into mistakes.

 

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Yea, we're trading you for that guy in the first row.

 

Who's the Man?
In critical possessions, I never got the sense that any of the guys on the court wanted the ball. It's a huge difference from last year where we knew Baron was going to get the ball and control the game. This year, does the ball go to Jax? Maggette? Al? Tonight there was no sense of anyone on the team where I felt, this guy should have the ball. Someone will have to establish themselves as the guy who can get you a bucket when you need one. When the opposing team is making a big run, who's the run stopper? When the shot clock is winding down, where does the ball go? When the quarter is about to end, who takes the shot? When the game is on the line, who can you count on to take a shot? I just don't know right now.

Jackson has taken on that role in the past but without Monta and Baron to balance the floor more, he seemed to have a little trouble establishing himself as the man.

This is all evidenced by the Warriors' last few possessions. It was just awful. Turnover, near turnover, blocked shot, made bucket, and a few misses. Didn't it seem like they had never practiced an out of bounds play before? Did Nellie draw up these plays? That one where DeMarcus caught the ball at the top of the key, drove right on Paul, jumped in the air like he was going to take a shot and then heaved a pass along the baseline which got deflected out of bounds? That was an excellent possession. First, where were Jax and Maggette? Go get the ball. Second, why was DeMarcus even in the game? You ride a certain 6 guys the entire game and then in the final minute you get the ball to a guy who didn't do much the entire game? Hmmmm...

 

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Pick and Roll, Pick and Roll
The Hornets were precise tonight running the pick and roll. Everyone knows the Warriors automatically switch on the pick and roll, so the Hornets decided to take advantage. They'd set a screen for Chris Paul with Tyson Chandler and since the Warriors switch everything, now Andris Biedrins is guarding Chris Paul. That's a problem. And if it wasn't Paul hitting a mid-range jumper it was David West. He must have hit 4 or 5 shots in a row in that 4th quarter. The guy is a bull on the inside but then uses that fadeaway jumper to create extra space to drop his sweet looking shot.

The other thing about the Hornets tonight was that they're not nearly as good when only one of Paul or West is in the game. The Warriors were able to build an 11 point lead in the 2nd quarter with Paul out of the game. When Byron Scott decided to play both of them, the Hornets made a huge push to take the lead in the final seconds before the half. Only DeMarcus's runner at the buzzer kept the Warriors in the lead. Apparently, as Paul and West go, so go the Hornets. Figure out a way to get one of them in foul trouble, and you have a chance of taking out the mighty Hornets.

 

Some Random Thoughts
1) Biedrins looked improved today vs last year. He had this one move where he got the ball in the post against Chandler, he spun right into Chandler's chest which pushed him back a bit and then Biedrins went right up over him. Basically he took the ball up strong on a power move - something I've never seen before from him. He looked a little smoother today and is still quite agile with nice hands.

2) Turiaf didn't score but he contributed in other ways. He hustled no doubt and goes after every loose ball. He made some forgettable plays, but he's got an excellent energy to him that the Warriors need right now.

3) Jax is going to shoot and shoot and shoot. I was telling my buddy at the game that Jax is the first option on offense. He's also the 2nd option and the 3rd. Maggette is a distant 4th.

4) Booing Al Harrington? I understand why people would boo him but he's just frustrated with his role and has been for over a year now. I don't see anything wrong with him finally going to the media to vent his frustration. The problem is, he's just not that good right now. I don't think he's a spot up 3 point shooter, I think he's better suited for out-quicking the opposing big man and getting in the lane. He's just got to learn how to finish. The Al of this game was no different than the Al of last year. He still played hard, but his shots just didn't fall.

5) I really liked what Kelenna brought to the table today. He went right at Paul a few times and tried to overpower him. He's going to get some significant playing time this year and I expect that he'll do well. 1 issue with him tonight: on the two shots he missed in the 4th, both misses were the result of him fading away on his jumper. If he had made those 2 shots, this might be a Warriors win instead of a loss.

 

GSOM Night 5
Tony dropped an awesome t-shirt. It looked even better in person than it did online. It was just too bad it got drowned out with the generic yellow shirt the Warriors handed out. The Nellie image really represented his character well. I heard more than a few times, "oooh I want that Nellie shirt".

 

Where Were the Fans?
First off, the arena wasn't even sold out tonight. The Warriors are just pricing their own fans out of the games. I mean at the cheapest, it was $40 for a discounted GSOM Night 5 ticket. Our first GSOM Night 1.5 years ago, the exact same tickets were $20. Given the state of the team and the price of the tickets, I don't expect too many sellouts.

My big question about the fans was why were people leaving in the final minute after Al missed the 3 and Peja went to the line for 2 free throws? It's still a one possession game no matter how many he makes! Stephen Jackson is known for hitting clutch 3's. That was disgusting to me. Why do you even go to the game if you're not willing to wait out the extra few possessions to see if someone hits a big shot? Lame.

 

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Tonight's Warrior Wonder is the new guy, Corey Maggette. He shot ridiculously well from the field (8-11) and the line (9-10). Throw in 8 boards and a couple three's and I was impressed with how well he played. He attacked the rim and even threw his body around on some hustle plays. He gets my vote for WW.


 

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We lost this game

more than the hornets won it. Corey was encouraging though. I’m not sure why Nellie kept taking out demarcus, I thought he played well and brought a stability to the team.

by Foulacy on Oct 30, 2008 2:04 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He seemed nervous

He basically looked like a rookie out there which is why Nellie pulled him so quick in the 1st quarter.

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by JonDoe on Oct 30, 2008 8:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey tony

saw u yesterday at the game, showed you the GSOM GTA wallpaper on my iphone.
what i didn’t mention was that earlier this summer i was at yankee stadium and they make up turn your phone on to show them it works (some security thing at the gate) and dude who checked mine was like, that’s freakin sweet!

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Oct 30, 2008 2:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Demarcus Nelson was on the floor for 13 minutes. In those 13 minutes, we were outscored by 9. Probably not all his fault, but I can’t blame Nellie for pulling him when his team was getting beat with Demarcus on the floor.

by jae on Oct 30, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A bit hard on DeMarcus there...

He went 6 points on 3/6, had 2 rebounds, 1 assist and 1 steal, in 13 minutes of pt. Downside, he had 2 turnovers. Upside, he had a clutch shot at halftime! When’s the last time a Warrior rookie showed the kind of confidence Nelson showed tonight? He looked like he belonged. Patrick O’Bryant, Ike Diogu, Brandan Wright, Marco Belinelli all went one season or more and still didn’t look like they belonged (Wright and Diogu have/had games here and there). I don’t even think Monta showed the same confidence until a few months into his rookie season. The only other guy I can think of recently that was somewhat impressive in his first game was Azubuike (guess what, another undrafted pickup).

I’m not saying Nelson was amazing out there or anything, but I found very little to be disappointed in, especially since his presence on the team is essentially a bonus.

"Hold it. The Schwarzenegger Library?" - John Spartan after hearing Arnold became President, from Demolition Man

by 61st Amendment on Oct 30, 2008 2:25 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And

your criticism of Nelson guarding Peja? Well, I have to question whether that’s really his fault, considering Peja’s 6’10" and Nelson’s 6’4" 200lb. Of…course he got shot over too easily, he shouldn’t have been guarding Stojakovic in the first place. Question Nellie’s judgment on that one.

I’d understand your complaint if he did nothing on defense, but a steal and a board in 13 minutes show he was working out there. I don’t remember the context of his two fouls, so I can’t defend or criticize those, maybe someone else can.

"Hold it. The Schwarzenegger Library?" - John Spartan after hearing Arnold became President, from Demolition Man

by 61st Amendment on Oct 30, 2008 2:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and

he guarded chandler

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Oct 30, 2008 2:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1 assist

How many shots did he create for people? not many.

Worst +/- on the team.

If he was playing well, he would have played more minutes. The only reason he was in there is because Nellie needed to see if he could get something out of him.

If he could guard Chris Paul, he would have been guarding him instead of Peja.

by Fantasy Junkie on Oct 30, 2008 8:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

way too hard on him

you’re holding him to unrealistic standards.

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Oct 30, 2008 8:43 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"you’re holding him to unrealistic standards."

My standards are, I want a starting point guard who’s going to help us win games.

What are your standards?

by Fantasy Junkie on Oct 30, 2008 9:54 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

someone needs to call the waaaambulance!

Seriously, DN played about as well, if not better, than any other undrafted point could do. First game dude. Give him a break. He DIRECTLY helped the Warriors win the first half. If we’re gonna blame people, what about Biedrins’ free throws? That arguably lost the game for us.

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by BALLINelli on Oct 30, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How exactly did he “DIRECTLY” help the Warriors win the first half? The team is -8 with him on the court in the first half.

by jae on Oct 30, 2008 11:08 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mostly because

chris paul got taken out at the same time DN did

proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..

by Azmanz on Oct 30, 2008 2:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ummmmmm. How long have you been a fan?

The team does NOT rely on Biedrins free throws to wing games.

And how the hell did he “directly” help the Warriors win the first half? By walking over to the bench and sitting on it?

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by StSaints408 on Oct 30, 2008 5:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my standard

for an undrafted PG playing his first game? probly something like demarcus’ line last night, maybe a little worse.

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Oct 30, 2008 11:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's great

That would be my standard for an undrafted PG too. Something not too great.

But who cares about the standard for an undrafted PG? It’s completely irrelevant where someone got drafted. All I care about is the standard for the starting PG on my team. And DeMarcus does not meet that standard. It’s nothing personal against him, he’s just not ready to fill that role.

What’s your standard for a starting PG on the Warriors?

by Fantasy Junkie on Oct 30, 2008 12:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dude

you plug in an undrafted pg, you’re gonna get undrafted pg results. you’re expecting league average from a totally untested commodity. i understand that we all want a decent point guard, but that has nothing to do with demarcus williams.

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Oct 30, 2008 2:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Demarcus *Williams*? Who?

Standard for undrafted PG. How does that compare to the best low-fastball hitter in Kabul?

It didn’t sound like Fantasy actually expected better results, but merely wishes that the Warriors weren’t relying on someone for whom average PG results would be a stretch.

Demarcus did fine for a undrafted converted SG pushed into a starting role. It wasn’t good enough to run the club though. Unfortunately NBA games don’t give extra credit for doing fine considering .

by jae on Oct 30, 2008 2:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Worst +/-...

but with the rotation Nellie played last night – any Warrior riding pine while Paul was on the bench had a much worse +/- and the Warrior whose line that affected the most is Nelson’s. That stat in particular in this game is misleading to his overall effectiveness. I wold have to argue that at least when he was in the game he was the best ball-handler the Warriors had.

And as for guarding Paul… I guess we will never know since Nellie never gave him a chance. IMO he should have let him at least try b/c it’s not like Jackson was locking him up. Nelson is quick and could have prevented some of that penetration – he did get that steal while playing Chandler in the post and that was pretty impressive.

Overall – I don’t think it was a quick leash due to Nellie’s frustration with Damarcus’ play as much as how the Hornets were exploiting the mismatch, he was constantly guarding a bigger man and he played hard. IMO he should have put him back in sooner and given him more run.

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by triplesix on Oct 30, 2008 1:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as

i been saying he played 4 years he is a different type of rookie. the 4 year guys usually play well in the beginning, and not to mention hes playing at home cause hes from VALLLLLEJO!

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Oct 30, 2008 2:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When’s the last time a Warrior rookie showed the kind of confidence Nelson showed tonight?

When’s the last time a Warrior rookie got the kind of playing time Nelson got last night? No t in garbage time.

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by StSaints408 on Oct 30, 2008 5:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My first time at the game and my views:

After many years of listening to the game and watching it on tv, I finally got a chance to go watch them in person. I got to say that I was mildly disappointed in the atmosphere in the Arena. I dunno if it was the fact that the fans needed to have more drinks in them or what, but the fan participation was almost dead (in my eyes) until the end of the 3rd into the beginning of the 4th. I had a brought another friend out and told them to expect an exciting night and to not be able to talk tomorrow. In regards to the lower level “spectators” walking out of the game, it made me angry/ashamed that these “fans” would take the time and spend the money to attend the game but leave when the game is on the line. Where’s the faith? Being able to afford the tickets definately doesn’t equate to fan loyalty, that’s for damn sure. if us upper level folks can trade in enthusiasm for seats, then we’d show the team what fan love is about.

As for the Jackson PG experiment, I’d rather we stop doing that. It’d be less stress for me. There were a few times where he should have made a few passes but didn’t. and that pass out of bounds in the final 40secs? wtf. There was this one section where the Warriors started to play Warrior ball; the back and forth scoring followed but the now famous ill advised, we’re shooting 3’s till we make a rush/make it/make out fans tear out their hair section. ….warrior ball, you gotta love it and hate it at the same time.

On a postitive note, the new off season signings seems to be doing well. Buike and Maggette are producing nicely. Turiaf is as described. I just wished he would have scored some points for all his hard work. The fact that Demarcus was the only rookie, much less 2nd year (Buike and Watson doesn’t count for me) player to have contributed tonight just makes me sad. Beans did good. More minutes and less fouls should = to good things in the future.

Over all, not too bad. As described by fantasy Junkie, we took on a top 3 team and made it a winnable game. Could have been worse. Next up, I need to see a win :D

by slackerb21 on Oct 30, 2008 2:53 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you

just went two years to late. b4 than a game was so easy to get to and all the real warrior fans were there like some times i could go to four a year in the lower bowl, some of them sideline club. than they got good and made tickets horrible and only the rich could go or the people who go there for the expierence and not as a fan. I know alot of fans are still there but it aint the same there anymore.

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Oct 30, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rotatio Rotation Rotation

Seriously, why does Nellie do this? I mean, you want to win your home opener, but Nellie loves to force the short rotations. Didn’t he see them burn out last year down the stretch? And that was with Baron, Monta, Pietrus and Barnes contributing. Do we need to sign a vet for the minimum? Is that who Nellie will trust? Why not go out and get Damon Stoudemire, he is a Free Agent right now.

by belli nellie on Oct 30, 2008 5:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

^^^

Ah man couldnt agree…7 man rotation!!!!!!!!!!!! Ofcourse our guys are going to crash and burn at the end of the game, especially against one of the elite in the West. Jax’s legs were gone, didnt have’em on his shot at the end and CP3 easily went by him on that layup.

And talk about making substitions, get Al da fvck outta here!!! Horrible shot selection down the stretch and he plays 42 mins!!!!

Give me some Wright, Randolph, or Williams, keep these guys fresh….

P.S. Read on BSPN, Dubs possible trade with Knicks — Al for Curry (why?!?!?!) but that Warriors trying to get David Lee for Crappington. That would be nice….

by gomez1012 on Oct 30, 2008 5:50 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

better than expected

That was about as good as a Monta-less warriors squad could possibly play. Thats..nice? The only run came with the best pg in the league on the bench for nearly a full quarter. This team is average with ellis, terrible without him. This game was an absolute mirage as to what they’re really capable of. I’ve run better offensive sets with my old intramural team then the dubs did last night. ugh. it’s going to be a long season…plenty of seats available!

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Oct 30, 2008 6:15 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

honestly good teams won’t let you go on extended runs without adjusting thats why games between good teams rarely ends with a blowout of another.

by saintdee on Oct 30, 2008 7:06 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

warriors are not a good team

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Oct 30, 2008 7:54 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hmm

isn’t it too early to tell? Why are you trying to write us off? Would you say that the Hornets are a pretty good team? Didn’t we compete last night?

by bayareaballa on Oct 30, 2008 7:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

Did you watch the game? Just because we only lost by 5 doesn’t mean we played well. Yes, we “competed.” I have a sneaking suspicison that in the remaining games, we’ll probably “compete” in those as well. I’m not sure how a loss to a superior team suddenly gives you hope that we’ll be anything but a long shot for 9th place.

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Oct 30, 2008 8:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my thoughts exactly. Tim Kawakami had a piece in today’s Mercury news that pretty muched covered that the team has taken many steps backwards and the future is hard to tell

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by PHUT! on Oct 30, 2008 11:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TK had a piece of @@@@

he sells panic buttons

build a team & destroy the roof and

Sign Tim Hudson now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by nuttinbutnet

by Lat We N Trash on Oct 30, 2008 12:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

just because we competed doesn’t mean we suck badly

as i remember most of the past season Dubs were ‘competing’ -sometimes they just got lucky -but still 48W season -you know

yeah -sign Tim Hudson now!

build a team & destroy the roof and

Sign Tim Hudson now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by nuttinbutnet

by Lat We N Trash on Oct 30, 2008 1:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn

This site is starting to get filled with those 06 Mavs-Warriors series bandwagon fans. Jump off if you can’t take a bad season. We have real fans over here.

Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement

by StSaints408 on Oct 30, 2008 5:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awwww

baby can’t take a little criticism? take this single tear and go take a nap.

:*(

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Oct 31, 2008 7:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I could take criticism

I just can’t take it when people who know nothing about basketball talk about shit they know nothing about.

Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement

by StSaints408 on Nov 2, 2008 1:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did we lose by 30?

Reading your post one would think we did. We almost beat one of the best teams in the league. I came away dissappointed, pissed at nellie for not playing his bench and thinking, we are a pretty good team.

by smearthebeard on Oct 30, 2008 6:59 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry man

I have to ask, what about this game made you come away with feeling we’re a “pretty good team”?

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Oct 30, 2008 7:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Everyone says the Hornets are a 60 win team this year. Yet here we

were with 14 seconds to play and a chnace to win the game. We could have folded earlier and we didin’t. We hung with a very good team. Now if we lose to New Jersey and memphis on the road I will reassess my opinion of the team, but I actually think we will do OK until Monta gets back. With Monta added to this mix I think we are a damn good team.

by smearthebeard on Oct 30, 2008 8:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i dont know

i saw a depleted hornets team, on the road, in the season opener. cp3 was benched for nearly a quarter, then came back and proceeded to stink up the joint. despite playing out of our minds, we couldn’t beat an injured animal on our own home court. only 7 players saw action, and came up gassed at the end. Sound familiar..?

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Oct 30, 2008 11:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cp3...

always sits for an extended period of time. It’s how Scott manages his time, sort of like Sloan/Stockton. Last year if I remember correctly he always sat at the end of third/beginning of fourth for extended minutes. I think Scott is just trying a different pattern this year b/c Paul has already told him that he wants to play the entire fourth quarter.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Oct 30, 2008 2:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know what

this is true, he actually played more minutes than he’s averaged in his career. i don’t think my eyes deceived me though; it could’ve been way worse.

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Oct 30, 2008 2:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i saw

a team without its star come close to beating last year’s western conference two seed. They almost beat a team with two all-stars while having none of their own. of the seven that played three were completely new additions to the team. i would hope that as time goes by these buys will only play better together and will be further improved if/when monta comes back full speed.

but clearly at 0-1 it’s time to tank the season and go for the 1st pick. :)

by exl on Oct 30, 2008 9:05 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

This is game 1 of 82. I think Nellie did a good job at putting his best squad out and letting them play and work out some kinks. Obviously he can’t do that every game. However, I thought it was absolutely neccesary to put on a good show for opening night, and get the fan base involved to show them that we are still a good team. Was it an entertaining game? Absolutely. Did we have a chance to win? Definitely. Will I watch every game after this? You know it.

by bayareaballa on Oct 30, 2008 7:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

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by JonDoe on Oct 30, 2008 9:09 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my take

*Don Nelson gave Harrington enough rope to hang himself last night….gave him minutes (arguably gave him BW’s minutes), gave him last shot/play of the game (which he failed on) – Hopefully Harrington shuts his pie hole now about how he needs to be the man…if he want’s to leave, then leave already….

*Crowd was just fine – no need to over cheer early on when things were just starting

*Bukie is a beast

*Maggs is solid and will get better as the year goes

*Jax was good for the most part but early on should have been dishing rather than popping 3-balls

*Turiaf was vibing with the crowd, you could tell he enjoyed the atmosphere. His game was ok, nice to see his big body down low but he can not create his own shot

*W’s snatched defeat from the jaws of victory….I actually expected worse last night so I can not be too unhappy, but a win would have been nice

by GeeEssDub on Oct 30, 2008 8:51 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HEHEHE

the motto of last year “W’s snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.” Sounds too familiar, I’m afraid we might be hearing a similar tune this year.

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by RubberDubDubs on Oct 30, 2008 5:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FREE THROWS! FREE THROWS! FREE THROWS!

That’s what killed us last night. That and Jax making really bad decisions towards the end of the game.

We need a PG bad! Al for Heinric, straight up? I’d do it.

Maggette… baller!

7 man rotation… must change or we’ll be burned out by the all-star break.

Turiaf… definitely a defensive presense

PLAY THE YOUNG CATS!!!

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by JonDoe on Oct 30, 2008 9:08 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the W’s shot 80% from the line last night, they still lose the game. 80% for a team is real, real good.

Save Biedrins, the team shot real, real well from the charity stripe. OK, that’s a big “save”, but realistically, we know that Andris isn’t good from the stripe. Had he been as ‘good’ as he was last year, we could have expected 2 more made FTs and that’s not enough to win. If he buries 4 more than he did, an 80% clip, we still lose that game. Now that might be an argument for holding him out of the game, but I strongly suspect (and there’s very good data to support this) that what he costs us at the line us more often than not made up for by his high percentage from the floor and rebounding.

Where we lost the game was allowing the Hornets to hit 50% from the floor, we hit 44%. We didn’t win the turnover battle or dominate the offensive glass, so we didn’t have more shots to work with. When that happens, you lose games.

by jae on Oct 30, 2008 11:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree with you more...

…and unfortunately Beans missed 6 of them (loss by 5)! In the past missing free throws has been a major downfall for the Warriors. Last two years, Playoffs against Utah and end of the season last year, missing free throws has caused great agony and defeat. Couple that with bad passes (turnovers) and stupid fouls and we’ll be in for a long season but I still Believe in the Warriors and have hope that there’ll be improvement on this throughout the season. Go Warriors!!

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by kronos on Oct 30, 2008 12:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harrington

Harrington once again proved why he sucks last night and asking for a trade is ridiculous… i don’t think the bulls would even give us hinrich for him because hinrich is a consistent player. Harrington’s much improved post game they kept telling us about turned out to be a joke and why bwright didn’t get any minutes is a mystery to me. I couldn’t help but think as west torched all of our defenders on the floor last night that wrights length might have bothered him. What i can’t figure out is where harrington got the idea he is not a nelson guy. Until bwright is given a chance to play important minutes as well as other players this team will have a difficult time beating the elite in the western conference. Hopefully nelson was just trying to eek out a home win before going on the road and all this is premature. Side Note: Why was watson playing it looked like he had about as much strength in that arm as a 14 yr old that just found out about porn?

by muftak on Oct 30, 2008 9:57 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hinrich isn't a consistent player

Unless you’re talking about how he stunk it up, consistently, from the beginning of last season despite high expectations.

Maybe we could work something out with Cleveland, they have a PG surplus.

by antihero on Oct 30, 2008 11:43 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

?

What guard from Cleveland would you prefer to Hinrich?

by muftak on Oct 30, 2008 7:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't mind Gibson...

he’d fit right into the 3pt game, hell of a shooter, but he does have a bit of a turnover problem so never mind….

KRONOS

by kronos on Oct 31, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not a good team?

Ever consider that a large portion (& two big pieces were lost from last season) aren’t even playing right now? Our roster has pretty much been rebooted yet again. We have one of the youngest teams in the league AND more than a handful of unproven second years and rookies on our team. You can’t say we didn’t prove we were a POSSIBLY competitive team, judging by last night’s performance. So, we made a couple of mistakes. It’s not like we’ve become this years Miami Heat. Now that’s what you call falling off the map. We just need to find our chemistry, not to mention a true 1. We shouldn’t be aiming at the playoffs, we should be aiming at developing. There’s no point in making the playoffs, just to get shutout in the first round. I don’t know about you guys, but I think that’s T-Mac’s job.I really think you should re-analyze your opinion Gamesix and stop being so pessimistic.

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by iBallGSW on Oct 30, 2008 10:01 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THE youngest team*

proud father of the newly acquired Brandon Crawford..

by Azmanz on Oct 30, 2008 2:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Satisfied

I was satisfied with last night’s game, we were a defensive stop/free throw or 2 away from beating the hornets who were 2nd in the west last year and now this year, add a little james posey action who hit 3 timely threes last night by the way and there a definite title contender. I will take that for game 1 with the youngest team in the league minus our best player. Oh, and I am sick of people saying we shouldn’t aim for the playoffs or we should tank a season. Hello you play to win the game !

by FeartheBeard4 on Oct 30, 2008 11:01 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why..

burnout out the vets and starters in the 7 man rotation? Why not play the rooks and 2nd years? We really shouldn’t be praying for the playoffsthis year. We should be focused on developing our young players into potential starters. Even if we do make the playoffs, Nelly doesn’t like to go deep in the bench, therefore we end up having to use pretty much the same 7 man rotation that we used over that 82 game season. It also explains why we burned out at the end of last season and were just shy of getting into the playoffs. I don’t care what anyone says, you can’t win a championship on 7 guys. The Celtics and Lakers both used larger rotations to get to the finals.

You know what they say,
“Go big, or go home”.

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by iBallGSW on Oct 31, 2008 8:43 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You pointed out the reason why the arena wasnt sold out

Ticket prices are absurd right now. I remember the days when the Warriors had the lowest lower level seats at like 24 bucks. Now, you can barely get in the freakin arena for 24 bucks, if at all. I wanted to go badly, but the tickets are quite expensive now a days.

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by sloth11 on Oct 30, 2008 11:12 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ll probably only be able to go to 1 or 2 games this season =/. Damn you TPTB!

by disguy on Oct 30, 2008 11:19 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is the third year under Nelson

if he can’t find more than seven players he can trust then something has gone wrong. He’s had plenty of opportunity to work with Mullin to do that. Maybe when it seemed last year that Nelson was coaching for a new contract he can go all veterans, but now that he’s here long term Nelson has to play some of the rookies that he played a part in getting. Hopefully, last night was a one time thing, because Warriors for the future need to know if Bellinelli or BWright can be effective in extending minutes in close games.

by greala on Oct 30, 2008 11:25 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Belinelli at PG

what about the I-tie at PG…he played what two games with 15+ minutes. the only time ive seen him play is the Las Vegas League.

Demarcus/CJ are backups thats it. i mean there were a couple of times when Jax imbounded the ball and there was no one to bring it up

by cazzuno on Oct 30, 2008 11:31 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my thoughts from club 200

highlight of the night—seeing tony.psd and showing him the GSOM GTA wallpaper on my iphone.

i’ll echo what others have said, the W’s look like a team waiting to see who is going to be the go to guy. they miss/need monta.

the atmosphere was weird during the game. i couldn’t believe all the empty seats. it was as if the fans had the same thing going as the players, kinda indecisive, unsure as to who was going to get the roaracle going.

where were the kids, don?

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Oct 30, 2008 11:48 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Strange reviews

I am suprised at the following:
1-D Nelson wasnt that bad. His first game as an undrafted rookie-give him a break. He is going to make mistakes. I think Nelson may have wanted him to deny Peja the ball more because he obviously cant stop the shot all the time. There is potential to grow into this position.
2-Who the hell are we going to get to play the point? Seriously, quit the whining, it would take a miracle for us to get a solid starting point guard this season.
3-Harrington took the worst shot of the night at the end of the game. Am I the only person who is pissed that he ducked under the defender then fired up a hurried shot with 10 seconds left on the clock? What a loser.

by warriorsvictim on Oct 30, 2008 11:55 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Who the hell are we going to get to play the point? Seriously, quit the whining"

LOL. Okay I’ll sit back and not “whine” (I call it criticism by the way) about someone who’s barely a backup point guard playing as our starting PG. And it’s Mullin’s job to get someone to play the point. It’s more a criticism of Mullin and management than DeMarcus. He’s been put into a situation he isn’t ready for. And since he’s in a certain position, certain expectations come with it.

Also, Al took a good shot. It was a WIDE OPEN 3. We were down by 3. If you have the WIDE OPEN 3, down by 3, and 10 seconds to go, you take the WIDE OPEN 3. Considering he was 2-3 from 3pt range at the time, I really don’t know how you fault him. That was a very good shot. He pump faked Chris Paul who flew by him and Al had a WIDE OPEN look at a 3. It was a good shot. He shot it straight and just missed it long (or short I can’t remember). Point is, I have no problem with him taking a WIDE OPEN 3 at the end of a game when they’re down by 3.

by Fantasy Junkie on Oct 30, 2008 12:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

i would've rather

al try to draw the foul from the flying defender instead of duck under whoever it was and then jack up what looked to me to be a hurried shot. but that’s just monday morning QB sh!t.

DN isn’t ready, FJ, you’ve hit it on the head that it is the management and not DN that is the problem. wait a sec, didn’t we have a PG whose previous season was unmatched by basically anyone not named kobe or MJ? ohhh, yeah, that’s right. he doesn’t play for us any more…. thanks rowell.

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Oct 30, 2008 2:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, one more...

why didnt Anthony Randolf get in the game? Towards the end of the game we could have used his athleticism on defense. We were already fouling the hornets and giving up a few buckets. I dont see how Randolph would have hurt us out there.

I wish I could be in practice, but it seems like his defensive ability should earn him some solid playing time with Biedrins or Turiaf in there to bang a big guy.

by warriorsvictim on Oct 30, 2008 11:57 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nellie has come out and said many times this week.

Randolph is not ready. He will not put him in a game right now and let his player get embarrassed.

I think Nellie is totally right. Randolph wasn’t even ready for the college game last year. He is a project and has a ton of potential in the future. That is why they drafted him. But no reason to put him out there now.

by The Golden One on Oct 30, 2008 5:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about Al for Jamal Crawford

NY is most likely looking to shed payroll for the upcoming FA class. Maybe they will trade Crawford for Al to free up an additional 8+ million (Crawford’s contract) He is definitely not a pass first PG, but he can rack up the points in a hurry. A back court of Monta and Jamal would be solid. Jamal is 6-5, so he can guard point guards around the league. Just a thought, if we are trying to move Al.

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by miggyk2 on Oct 30, 2008 1:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude

there’s no way that NY is looking to trade Crawford. In d’antoni’s offensive schemes he scored 29 yesterday. absolutely no way they’re passing him anywhere. maybe you can get marbury’s expiring contract for some peanuts

by RocketsFan on Oct 30, 2008 1:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes!

I say we take a risk on Marbury. If he doesn’t work out, on or off the court, let him go. He’d be on a super short leash. Maybe not even a leash, we’d just hold him by the collar and let him go if he acts up.

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by JonDoe on Oct 30, 2008 2:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree man. He was awesome yesterday and is a damn good player.

But if loosing his contract will ensure them the ability to sign one of, Kobe, Lebron, D-Wade, (All of, which are not very likely to sign with the knicks) I am positive they would part with Crawford.

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by miggyk2 on Oct 30, 2008 4:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nelly and the youngsters

Nelly’s aversion to playing his young players is going to ruin the team. The Warriors are going nowhere this season. They have six established NBA players tops. We saw what happened when the bottom dropped out after Nelly ran his seven-man rotation ragged last season, and that was a more talented group than what he has now. Let’s throw the kids in the pool and see if they can swim. And not for two minutes and then yanked out so Nelly can get in their face. It’s going to be a long season otherwise. At least we can see what we have for the future and maybe get some enjoyment out of watching a young player blossom.

by socityej on Oct 30, 2008 6:44 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Darn we lost...

But I had a really, really, really fun time last night! …and that’s what its all about!

by Tony.psd on Oct 30, 2008 9:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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