Some Thoughts from Game 1...
I think we all expected this. And in a way, I'm proud the Warriors played them that close. But I think the closeness of the score belies the actual disparity in talent/execution between the teams. Even with home court, fresh legs and barrage of threes, in the end the Horents were a better team and knew what to do to win.
Let's go over the good the first...
1.) Action Jackson: Yes, he fell off in the 4th quarter. Tired legs and whatnot. But he was awesome throughout 90 percent of the game. Hitting threes, finishing well, dishing off, assuming primary ball handling responsibilites. Now, in a best case scenario, we'd have Jackson handling the ball maybe 30-40 percent of the time, not 70-80 percent of the time as he did in game 1. But of course, we can't do that without a pg.
2.) Kelenna Azubuike: What a solid player. Strong finisher, great defender, great energy player. This guy needs more playing time and needs to have some plays run for him.
3.) Maggette: He's pretty fast. And he's a pretty good shooter too. But what's best is his ability to get to the line and hit those free throws.
4.) Biedrins' defense: In fact, when Biedrins fouled out in the 4th, i knew things were bad and you could tell Biedrins knew it too. There was no one else who could gaurd Paul at that point in the game: Jackson was too tired, and no one had the close out speed to give Paul space to prevent him from driving while affecting his shot when he went for the J. Paul's shot looked bad that game and Biedrins was a huge part of that.
5.) Turiaff: Our new Foyle. Great blocks and great attitude.
As for the bad
1.) Harrington needs to go: Here's why. We have Jackson Maggette Azu Harrington. Essentially, they're all small forwards. But out of the 4, Harrington is the dumbest and the softest. He might be a good person or whatever. But he's a redundant part that does not have a strong basketball IQ and is too soft. Trade him for ANYTHING, ANY kind of pg help, and we're fine.
2.) Point Gaurd Play: From Demarcus's Nelson's 2 turnovers in three minutes to CJ watson's airball to the near heart attack Nelson gave me out of the timeout in the closing minutes, our point gaurds look outclassed, outmatched, and frankly, stupid.
3.) Weak Execution on the Fast Break: But this is to be expected when you lose your top two fastbreak-ers in Ellis and Davis over the course of the season. Azu did a pretty good job at this department, but it's a big fall-off from the near invincible fastbreaks we had with Ellis running last year.
And actually, that's about it. It was a pretty good game and we fell just a little bit short. Add in any sort of decent point gaurd play, let alone Ellis, and we win that game.
Some closing thoughts:
- I feel very strongly about Harrington. He needs to be traded: redundant, soft, stupid. I don't care about his personality; this is who he is on the basketball court. I say we trade him for Ben Gordon. It's better than nothing and you know Chicago doesn't want to get rid of Hinrich.
- You have to wonder about Mullin's drafting. I mean, we've needed a power forward for... 3 to 4 years now, and that's all Mullin's been drafting. But you're telling me not one can come in to play 5 to 10 minutes of energetic defense on David West? Either Mullin is failing or Nelson is wrong.
- Marcus Williams, you fat piece of sh*t. Go run a few miles every day and get us some consistency at the 1. It's good for us and it's good for you.
- Monta, you're an idiot.
- I heard something like 20+ road games in the first two months? If we come out .500, we're GOLDEN.
That's all. overall an encouraging game and perhaps a moral victory, but I think we're close enough to being a successful team that we shouldn't settle for that.
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Add in any sort of decent point gaurd play, let alone Ellis, and we win that game.
Maybe not. I think the Hornets weren’t taking us seriously till the last 30 seconds. If Montay was playing I bet CP3 wouldn’t have had such a weak night? Our boys did a great job of hanging with an excellent team but it looked like we were working a lot harder than the Hornets.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 30, 2008 9:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i dono
all i know is i felt scared everytime our pgs handled the ball and when paul was handling for them. also, in terms of paul’s performance, i think the biedrins defense really does affect him. it worked last year too.
to think that the benefits of having our full roster would be offset by another team’s decision to play “hard” either means we have a super weak team or their team is unbelievably good, able to play with on/off switch. i think the reality is closer to the middle
by dso on Oct 30, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CP3 did go have a double-double.
21 pts and 11 dimes. That is a “weak night”? I know Paul is good, but what do you want from the guy? I hope we never have to see a “great” night from Paul against the Warriors.
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by miggyk2 on Oct 30, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
all i got to say is..
stephen jackson is one of my two favorite players on the warriors. you already know he’s a great teammate and leader. however, as the team captain and veteran leader, if he keeps up with those horrible shot selections down the stretch, it may look like we’re in for a LONG season.
damn monta, you better be the sh*t when you come back!
by LETS GO WARRIORS on Oct 30, 2008 10:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
having monta would have equaled 6-8 points off the fast break alone
he really is our number 1 option by a big margin on the fast break, with buike and biedrins tied for second.
he also has our best mid ranged jumper
by dso on Oct 30, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buike
looked great out there. I think he will have a huge year.
I think the Warriors could have won this game if:
a) They hit 2 or 3 more of their free throws
b) Nellie had rested Jack for 5-6 mins when CP3 was out of the game and played Wright or Randolph instead. Randolph can play point-forward and bring the ball up the court. If Jack had just a little rest, he might not have gotten beat on defense so badly the last few minutes of the game.
All in all, they played a great game. With all the road games coming up, this young team is going to have their work cut out for them. If they’re anywhere close to .500 by the time Monta comes back, it will be a HUGE success.
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by EternalWarriorsOptimist on Oct 30, 2008 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thoughts on the game
1. Maggette can ball and I liked how calm he looked at the free throw line late in the game
2. buike is gonna be a 6th man candidate
3. Jackson carries the entire load but definetely needed a quick breather
4. Hornets hit clutch shots, posey especially with his 3’s
5. That was the best defense I have seen the warriors play in awhile, they were actually somewhat rotating and closing out on shots.
6. We didn’t crumble twice, in the third the hornets were in the penalty for 8 minutes and we found a way to only be down 1 heading into the fourth quarter. Secondly, being down 6 with 5 minutes to play after a fading david west jumper.
7. Lastly it was a very exciting game and had a chance to win, before the game if I was asked will the warriors be up by 1 with 28 seconds left? I would have said hell no
by FeartheBeard4 on Oct 30, 2008 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wanna comment on point 5
turiaff/biedrins is a great defensive combo. you saw turiaff’s block on west’s hook in the middle which was huge. and with turiaff manning the middle, biedrins can close out on shooters where his quickness and reach makes him dangerously effective.
by dso on Oct 30, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
ya I really like the turiaf beans combo as well, we get enough scoring out of maggette, jackson and buike and with those two in the middle cleaning up it is a really good lineup
by FeartheBeard4 on Oct 30, 2008 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Harrington...
Why would you want to trade him for Gordon? Gordon would be a worse fit here than he would be in Chicago w/o any defense in his game and a knack for popping up shots. Harrington is a little more valuable than that. If we’re going to trade away Harrington, we’re going to need a QUALITY big in return. That doesn’t mean Wilcox, who I think is overrated… but it does mean someone who can hit a mid-range jumper and stretch the defense and play opposite Beans w/o getting in the way of a slashing Maggette/Monta. Most people’s view of Harrington are jaded. Don’t sell the guy short just because he’s 6’8 and is asked to play PF/C around the perimeter.
by Mr. Monday Night on Oct 30, 2008 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm not jaded
i’m being honest. he doesn’t add anything that our trio of Sf’s don’t already have. his post moves are decent but he can’t finish. he shoots alrite but we have better shooters. he doesn’t board.
he is redundant and SOFT. if you can watch the game again, watch harrington fail miserably in the fourth quarter, especially that ridiculous half-spin slow-mo layup that quieted our crowd with its ineptitiude.
and gordon, who i don’t like much, would stlil be a better player for this team than harrington. here’s why: Diminishing marignal returns. you have three tall players can shoot and do everything harrington does. then you add harrington, who does the exact same thing but worse. might as well get rid of that and allocate your resources where you have a glaring weakness, pg.
gordon is not the best player but an average player right now is better than nelson or watson. and gordon is strong and can take it to the rim.
by dso on Oct 30, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just look at the post below.
It says it all.
by Mr. Monday Night on Nov 1, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrington does at least give Jackson, Maggette, and Kelenna
valuable floor spacing for drives and post ups. Nellie just makes Biedrins or Turiaf the entry man and any of those 3 have space to work and less opportunity for help defenders to recover. that 1-2 step(s) that a defender has to stay closer to Al is pretty huge.
i know Tim Thomas was there with the Clippers, but they also had Kaman clogging the lanes and our pace of play is much faster. i expect Maggette to have a pretty big year; well, Jack taking 24 shots a night may curtail that some.
though i, too, would prefer to trade Al, i don’t know about any kind of PG.. big picture, Monta is eventually coming back. if we stink, 2009 is a PG heavy draft.
if, as reported, Brandan Wright and Anthony Randolph are getting schooled in practice against Al Harrington, even though he’s admittedly not playing all that hard while they are… ask yourself, logically, what does that say?
by the evil monkey on Oct 30, 2008 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just cuz you shoot doesn't mean you provide spacing
i’m sorry but if you watched the game yesterday you’ll see the warriors had bigger problems from having no one to reliably distribute the ball than any problems with spacing.
one thing harrington does have is great 1v1 post moves. in fact, if there was a 3v3 league harrington would do great. but his moves don’t work as well with help defenders. and so yeah, he could probably beat those rookies relaly badly in practice. but in terms of providing something new to the team, i’d rather play wright for ten minutes and have a pg than play harrington for 35+ and watch him fail
by dso on Oct 30, 2008 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
er... yeah Al's shooting does create floor spacing and does create that extra step on rotations
yeah i saw those problems, but keep in mind that the W’s had a bigger team out there caused difficulties for the Hornets offensively. Especially when CP3 wasn’t in the game.
it’s cause and effect. by creating some strengths here, you create weaknesses there.
and if you reread my post, i’m not against you. i’d rather trade Harrington and see Wright play (though I wonder if he’s hurt since he didn’t play in the open practice either) more. but it doesn’t help that we’ve apparently been shopping him all offseason w/o any decent offers.
but, again, big picture. we’re going to get Monta back. if we want any semblance of a defense and rebounding, he’s going to have to play the 1. if we want to just run & gun, the draft is full of PGs with much better contracts than Hinrich’s albatross contract (i doubt Bulls are going to move him anyway – i’d say Hughes is their 1st choice).
you seem pretty reasonable. yeah, i was upset at the time that Wright didn’t get 10-15 minutes which my poor brother got the brunt of. but taking the emotion out of it, i can also see why Al is a decent NBA player and shouldn’t be traded for just anything.
by the evil monkey on Oct 30, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone with me on this one
ANDRIS BIEDRINS LOOKED GOOD!! I love how he’s way more agressive on the offensive end than last year. His D looked really good too.
by Young Moolah on Oct 30, 2008 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
they should have continued to look for him more in the second half. Beans can easily put up 15 and 10 if he gets 35 minutes a game this year. It’ll be tough for him to average over 30 mins unless Turiaf misses time.
by misterjennings on Oct 30, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ANDRIS BIEDRINS LOOKED GOOD!!
Yeah, Those free throws are a thing of beauty?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 30, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his stroke looked better last year
he’s got this weird push shot thing going this year
by dso on Oct 30, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s got this weird push shot thing going this year
Yeah, Basketball is definitely not his game. Maybe he should try being a tight end? He can catch a ball.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 30, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
u can play basketball and not be a good shooter
story of my life
by dso on Oct 30, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pay Rick Barry what he wants to get him out here and teach Andris how to shoot FT
If he can get up to 70-75% (there must be some way to teach him, though I guess Shaq never learned) he’ll be right up there in value with the other top centers in the league.
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by iamawesomer on Oct 30, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like
how Andris and Turiaf were at the top of the key and the offense would initiate through them on occasion. Especially with Andris, I think he has good hands and really good court vision and I think if we keep this up, we may have a semblance of a half court offense 10 or 15 games into the season.
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by drizztismoneybaby on Oct 31, 2008 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he can get up to 70-75%
I could shoot 75% in the 7th grade using the Rick Barry method and I din’t even need to practice it more than a few minutes to learn it. A big guy like Dris would be halfway to the basket before he had to release the ball.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Oct 30, 2008 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
AB
isn’t going to go from 62% to 75% in one summer, hell he ain’t going to ever get to 75%…
and players can look and be real good and not shoot well at the line, there’s this other guy in the nba who’s the same, oh that’s right SHAQ…
by Young Moolah on Oct 31, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
easier said than done
Trying having massive hands. To give you an example, ever shoot one of those mini basketballs at great america? If you are over 5 foot 7, your hands are probably around my size, and I can tell you those things are super hard to shoot because they are so small. Thats what big guys in the league struggle with. On the other hand its what makes them great rebounders.
by sjboy on Oct 31, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guards
are missing, and Don Nelson needs to play more mobile big man. IF ONLY WE HAD A LANKY GUY WHO COULD SHOOT AND DRIBBLE.
OH WAIT… WE DO!!!!! BUt he never gets used. Why did he draft Marco again? For the pasta?
Don Nelson is a dumbass.
by sjboy on Oct 31, 2008 10:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wait a minute..............
you’re telling me a guy who shot under 33% from 3 pt land over in Europe, where the line is shorter, is a good shooter?
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marco-Belinelli-198/
seriously, you guys are overestimating our so called “talent”
by the evil monkey on Oct 31, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he thinks marco is tall and lanky
maybe he doesnt know what lanky means.
or maybe he’s never seen belinelli ever in his life
by dso on Nov 1, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he’s never seen belinelli ever in his life
I love the guys who call Marco “Little rocky” , Stallone is about 5ft 7in tall and needs to work with small actors so he looks big while Marco is what,, about 6 ft 5in? Rocky should be called little Bellynellie.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 1, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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