Warriors don't want Wallace because of money???
by formerlythecity on Nov 11, 2008 11:20 PM PST
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From the ESPN article quoted by the "rumor" section at Yahoo Sports: "The Warriors, sources say, are not interested in absorbing the contract of Charlotte's Wallace, seeing little need for Wallace (and the four seasons left on his contract after this one at a cost of $38 million) when they have Corey Maggette and the soon-to-be-extended Stephen Jackson."
If this is true (that the Dubs DON'T want to do the Wallace for Harrington deal because of money concerns) it's something I haven't heard talked about. Which player would you rather have on this team for the next three years at this point in their careers? Wallace, or Jackson? Especially when you don't HAVE to extend Jackson to keep him for another season?
If the Warriors really are balking at acquiring Wallace because of $$$ they're needlessly throwing at Jackson, somebody in the Dub's "braintrust" needs to have their head examined. And if money issues are what is keeping this team from improving, the Warriors need to explain that to their season ticket holders. (Maybe a refund for this year? Not likely.)
When viewed in the context of the antagonistic posture Rowell is taking on Monta's contract, by suspending him and holding that he could STILL void the contract if he doesn't like Ellis' condition on his return (the "double jeopordy" basis of the now angry Monta's legal dispute) AND the fact that he nixed the BD deal that Mullin worked out, it suddenly seems obvious that Cohan is having money woes.
It's the only thing that explains the sudden rise of bean counter Rowell, along with the disappearance of Mullin. It also happens to correspond to the Warrior's sudden demise of team chemistry.
The question is: Why is Cohan suddenly becoming a penny pincher? What happened between the end of last year (with most games sold out) and the beginning of this season?
Rowell's sudden emergence may be the tip of the real story here. The real story may be that this franchise's owner is having financial issues, and if that is true it could dramatically alter the future of this team. A team we just thought had finally turned the corner.
What IS true: bad owner = bad team. It doesn't matter what sport.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Hey Money! How ya’ doin’?!?
by Tony.psd on Nov 11, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
That mistake voided all credibility in this fanpost.
by biggiep on Nov 12, 2008 1:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
i stopped reading after that.
by DuikeBuike on Nov 12, 2008 8:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To answer his question
I would rather definitely rather have Stephen Jackson over Ben Wallace
by Eggman on Nov 12, 2008 8:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I second that....
Ben Wallace is way past his prime
by Mr. Monday Night on Nov 12, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Hotdogs!
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Nov 12, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
With mashed potatoes with steamed broccoli… that’s what I’m talking about. Prime Rib & Hotdogs?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 12, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, maybe I don't get the hot dog references...
That doesn’t mean I’m not cool!
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 12, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
You’re always cool in my book ; )
Hot Dogs an Crayons!!!
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Nov 12, 2008 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hot Dog and crayon reference...
LOL… someone made a fake Tony.psd profile and had me saying:
“I Like to color!”
“I eat Hot Dogs!”
It’s like my new motto! lol
by Tony.psd on Nov 13, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL… someone made a fake Tony.psd profile?
What thread is it in?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 13, 2008 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's gone...
They also added that “I like men” in an unoriginal way.
The hot dogs and crayons are classic, 2 totally different things, come together as one! I wanna point the finger (if I had to) on that dude who posted “GSoM… what happened?!” He also had a post ripping on fans at the Oracle lol.
You just can’t please some folks!
by Tony.psd on Nov 13, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember the fake Skeptic?
He was good for a laugh for about 5 minutes. He even copied the icon!
Not to toot my own horn, but I was the fake “Sleepy Froid”!
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 13, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was good for a laugh for about 5 minutes.
Yeah, It takes staying power to be the real skeptic.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 13, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Colored Hotdogs!
Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement
by StSaints408 on Nov 12, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
me too
i stopped reading after he said it
by chilly echo on Nov 12, 2008 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's condense this diary into the other 20+ diaries please.
Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.
by kenntoe on Nov 11, 2008 11:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
no on wallace
he’ll stunt the growth on b-wright and randolph. if we didnt have these 2 young studs i’d be up for it, but i wanna see these 2 guys grow
by lowchi on Nov 12, 2008 1:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
Dude, Jackson brings way more intangibles to the team than Gerald(Ben) Wallace would. Diary closed
by highflya on Nov 12, 2008 1:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You lost me at Ben
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Nov 12, 2008 2:22 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Now... if Ben Wallace were availble
Would I trade Al Harrington for him? Probably not. He’s equally bad as Al at this point, except he has the opposite problem (decent defense, no offense, shoots FTs worse than Nononene). We can still do better. Yes Steven Jackson is more valuable than Ben Wallace.
And you don’t seem to know your numbers here. Jackson will be extended for $25-30M/3 years (rough guestimate). Wallace makes that much this year and next. For a one way player (Jackson is a solid two way player), Ben Wallace isn’t worth that kind of dough.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 12, 2008 3:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bobbleheads!
Ben Wallace will increase bobble head sales
by Jollibee415 on Nov 12, 2008 6:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We don't need another PF...
…Clearly after watching the games played, we don’t need another “BIG” guy to defend and collect rebounds. Beins, Turiaf, Randolph. and Wright are doing an awesome job on that end; although Randolph and Wright are still learning to rebound.
What our team needs is a Finisher – a closer.
Enter Monta Ellis.
If you watched last night’s game against Minnesota, we were playing excellent defense, but lack offense.
Once we get Mags and Ellis back, we are looking pretty strong, especially with the building confidence of Wright, Randolph, Belli, Morrow, and Watson.
So we DONT need another “BIG” man who costs a lot of money that can’t score during clutch time.
by Darkcloud on Nov 12, 2008 7:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The problem with the youngin's is consistency
It’s promising that Wright had a good game just a few games after his other, but I’m still not satisfied that he can be a real starting PF just yet. We just barely beat the Timberwolves. We lost to Memphis twice and Sacramento in the last week. We do not have a quality team right now. We need better players at every position. Monta coming back will help, Maggs coming back will help. But it’s still too early to expect that relying on BWright & Randolph at the PF will be a successful strategy. Turiaf is good… as a backup, we still need a starter. I hope that BWright can be that guy, but it’s too early to tell. If has two more good games in a row, I might cave.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 12, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gerald Wallace
Really? Did you not notice how often this guy is on the IR?
Why would we want to absorb another 38 million dollars when we have an assload of young talent that we’ll have to resign in 1 – 2 years.
See this is what I am talking about when people run their mouth about ownership blah blah… this is a GREAT DECISION. The Warriors are NOT a Gerald Wallace away from a championship…. come to think of it NOBODY in the NBA is a Gerald Wallace away from the NBA Championship.
You know what I am figuring out? The Warriors have a shitload of fair weather fans absorbed from the “We Believe” campaign.
We’re rebuilding with youth ( the right way ), and when you do that, absorbing 30+ million contracts is like grabbing an AK-47 and aiming it right at your franchise.
OPen your eyes people. Either that or do some more research
by sjboy on Nov 12, 2008 8:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Celtics
Are a (healthy) Gerald Wallace away from a championship. The Lakers and possibly the Spurs, too. You don’t think LA would rather have Wallace than Luke Walton trying to lock down Paul Pierce?
Otherwise, your point is well taken. And your AK-47 analogy is (unintentionally?) apt: like Kirilenko, Gerald Wallace would bring a defensive toughness and open-court skills that this team could totally use. Also like AK-47, he would hamstring our salary situation and likely block the development of Randolph and Wright. And as you say, neither Wallace nor AK-47 would bring us particularly close to a championship with our existing core.
On balance, I’d probably pull the trigger on a straight Harrington-Wallace deal if it presented itself, but I totally understand the arguments against it.
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 12, 2008 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I knew I would get an Andrei Kirilenko comment…
So in response… The Celtics are not a Wallace away because well…. THEY ARE the Champions. Dont mess with success! I know you’re thinking James Posey blah blah, but Miami brought back James Posey, nothing happened. Jason Kapono was missed not him. If people wanna overpay him and overrate him thats fine, not me. I know what the guy does, and that is put himself in the best possible situation, and people think he is so great.
I mean lets see: Memphis ( no one really cared ) Miami: Shaq + D-Wade, Pat Riley Coaching Boston: KG, Allen, Pierce, now New Orleans: CP3, Tyson, Peja, Daivd West, Byron Scott Coaching
Call what you want to, he does have rings, and those talk everyday of the week, and twice on sunday, but 7+ million dollars for a guy who shows up once every 5 nights? No thanks!
Back to Wallace…. The Spurs would be happy if they could just get healthy, which coincidently is what Wallace cant do. He has never played a full season, and averages about 5 games a season the last 4 years in Charlotte. So thats why the Bobcats dont care if they pick up a disgruntled Harrington who just hates his coach, as long as he stays healthy ( bobcats have had a TON of injuries )
The Lakers couldnt POSSIBLY afford another contract. Luke Walton? When was the last time you watched the Lakers? The Finals? Last time I checked Luke is playing 3 minutes per game, Trevor Ariza a younger version of Wallace is averaging 22+ minutes per game, and 2.2 steals per game ( defense ) 0.1 less then Wallace who plays 16 minutes more per game.
I went a little off track with the Posey thing ( hate that guy ) but as you can see there is no franchise in the NBA that is 1 player away from winning it all. Trust me, I was so friggin excited to flip the bird to the dilusional Rockets fans when they aquired Ron “tru Warrier” Artest( no I didnt misspell it, the idiot spells it like that…. guess hes keeping it real ) they we’re going to win the Championship.
So I did what a dubs fan would, logged on to google, searched TOny PSD playoff version. Oh snap! There was T-Mac’s Photo. 6 games in. Oh yeah, they suck!
Shocker!
by sjboy on Nov 12, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, you did misspell it
It’s TRU WARIER. ;-)
Count me in the group who wasn’t that impressed by the Rockets’ prospects with Artest. I like Ronron, but he’s not a championship maker. Gerald Wallace is basically a younger, better rebounding version of him.
You’re right about Ariza: I totally forgot about him. He’s a budding semi-stud wingman, and he does mostly obviate Wallace. On the other hand, I think the Cs, if they could afford it, would improve themselves substantially, and make themselves a tougher matchup with LA, by upgrading from Tony Allen to Wallace. But as you say, the Celtics are zero players away from a championship team. For now.
Anyway, I forgot what point I was trying to make. Carry on…
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 12, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Celts need Wallace
Lakers didn’t have Bynum healthy last year, if he had been, that woulda been a completely different series. The Celts will need more talent to win this year.
As for the Lakers, trading Luke Walton for Gerald Wallace would be monumental, even coming off the bench for 20 minutes a game splitting time with Odom and Ariza. I still think the Lakers are the favorites to win it this year. Then Kobe… goes to Europe? A man can hope right?
No on Wallace. incrementally better in the short term, handicapped by salary in the long term. We already have $$ locked up in Maggs, will soon have money locked up in Jax, and have a solid backup in Buke. We don’t need another SF, we need a guy with bulk!
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 12, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think your take on Wallace is pretty much exactly right. He’d be an asset and a talent upgrade, but health is an issue, the money is an issue (though not an AK-level issue), and we’re not magically a great team just by adding him.
The one knock against adding Wallace that I don’t entirely agree with is the idea that he’d block the development of Wright and Randolph. It’s not that he wouldn’t, necessarily; it’s that any player we add will potentially be blocking a promising young guy:
PG – Monta Ellis (we don’t know if he’ll succeed at the point, but that’s the plan)
SG – Kelenna Azubuike
SF – Anthony Randolph
PF – Brandan Wright
C – Andris Biedrins
We have a possible young stud at every position. If we regard all of them as unblockable, we literally can’t add any good players to the team. I love the young core, but that seems a little extreme.
It’s true that minutes, which’ll already be an issue when the current roster’s healthy, would be even more of an issue with the addition of Wallace. But that’ll be true no matter who we add. If we added a PG, that’d push Monta back to SG, which would more or less eliminate Buike’s minutes. Even if we were able to move Al for an expiring, what would we do with the cap space? We’d need to move one of that young quintet to make room for an impact guy, even assuming we could find one.
Wallace is easily the most talented guy being dangled out there… no other trade looks nearly as intriguing as this one. The only other option is to wait a year to trade Al, when his expiring deal is more appetizing. There’s an argument for that, but that’s a whoooole lot of cranky Al.
I think Wallace would be worth it. It’d raise the talent level on the team, and given his age and <$10M/year salary, his is not an untradeable contract — we could probably move him down the line if we wanted to. Health is a concern, but in a weird way, you could regard Maggette and Wallace as a sort of platoon of talented, gimpy guys… if one’s banged up, the other takes big minutes, and vice versa.
Would Wallace be a perfect addition? No. But perfection isn’t something you can hope for when a middling guy demands a trade. Wallace would give us an upgrade, in a situation where we have zero leverage. We could do much worse.
by onlxn on Nov 12, 2008 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace Contract
Is very untradeable this is why Bobcats have had no takers since July ( allegedly when they tried to start a trade for him.) Here is what I mean:
Wallace Contract:
08/09: $8,287,500 Age:27 GUARANTEED
09/10: $9,075,000 Age:28 GUARANTEED
10/11: $9,862,500 Age:29 GUARANTEED
11:12: $10,650,000 Age:30 GUARANTEED
11/13: $11,437,500 Age:31 GUARANTEED (player option)
So couple of things. First of all this contract is actually ALOT bigger then I thought. This is essentialy another 50 million dollar contract.
Ellis = 66 million
Biedris = 59 MIllion
Maggette = 50 Million
Wallace = 50 Million
Jackson = 40 Million ( possible ).
That is a ton of money to clog up for years to come, making it nearly IMPOSSIBLE to add a free agent ( remember the summer of 2010 LOTS of GREAT free agents ).
Also Wallace cant play the 4, and neither can Maggette, so they would over ride each other at the 1 – 2 – 3, making this trade bad, and clearly irrelevant.
GET DAVID LEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by sjboy on Nov 12, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace Contract
He looks cheaper than Montay? Maybe we can trade Scooter and someone like bellineli for Wallace and Felton?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 12, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely with your points on Wallace...
And not to hijack the thread, but Jackson getting 40M? For what, 6 years? There’s no way an aging Jackson is going to make 10M/year. The FO is going to lowball him, then match anything anyone else offers. I say he’ll get something in the 25M/3 range, max. And if things continue as they are, Beans is going to meet and exceed all of his performance requirements, so that’ll be more like $63, or whatever it was.
Regardless, no on Wallace.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 12, 2008 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Point but...
A couple things. First while I agree Wallace is not an ideal 4 he does spend the majority of his time playing that position. I know the east doesn’t have as many bangers at the four but I think it is a pretty big leap to say he “can’t play the 4”. He can and does often play the 4 and play it as well or better than anyone we have right now.
The other thing I wanted to touch on is the summer of 2010. I don’t really see how we would get far enough under the cap in time to make a splash in FA. We’ve got Ellis, Beans, Maggs and likely Jackson signed for big money. Plus we will likely have to worry about giving raises to a few of the young guys if we want to keep them around.
To me the biggest negative on Wallace is his durability, but I’d still probably do the deal.
Also on Lee, if there was any way of getting Lee without taking back Curry or some other albatross we would have done that deal by now.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Nov 12, 2008 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s dreadfully little way for the Warriors to try to make a splash in free agency in 2010 as things stand. It will require moving many contracts beforehand. It will take, at minimum, Maggs out the door and no extension for Jackson.
I tend to think that extending Jackson is prove to be a very, very bad move. There was no indication before last season that he was going to make as much of a difference as circumstance suggests he did. It’s possible that a) his impact was a fluke, that it was a career year and all the stars aligned and/or b) people made too much of the first 6 games and assumed too much of the difference was all whether or not Jax was available. Paying off on that for the declining years of a player’s career isn’t a sound move.
by jae on Nov 12, 2008 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion
In a sense, the extension will be a form of bribe to SJax. We’ll pay you to keep everybody else level headed for now.
Maybe that’s why Rowell wants the option to void Monta’s contract. Coz in a sense, Monta screwed them in a lot of ways. He was gonna be the franchise player, he would be our go-to-guy. Now he’s on the sidelines and our go-to guy becomes SJax. You think we’re a mess now, tell SJax you’re not giving him an extension and you’ll realize you haven’t seen the worse of the Warriors.
by lightz0ut on Nov 13, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they need to bribe Jax to get him to play, to keep things together now, they’re in real, real trouble. That credit card will come due in a few years when his defense declines and they realize they’re invested heavily in a guy with rather poor scoring efficiency who can’t rebound up to the standards of his position. He’s a useful player now, versatile, especially on defense. But defense declines with age, usually rather abruptly, and his use as a “go to guy” is limited by his lousy scoring efficiency. They’re really, really overvaluing him if they think an extension into his mid 30s is a good idea in order for him to be a guiding influence now.
by jae on Nov 13, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you're suggesting that...
They’re fixing a potential short term problem (people might at some point get “unlevel headed”) with a long term solution (Signing Jax to an extension, where you’re assuming they wouldn’t do this otherwise).
I don’t buy it. Usually it’s the other way around for those business folks (Hey, let’s use subprime loans to get great returns NOW! Screw the future when these guys won’t be able to afford their houses later!). He should get extended, but not for much. He’s not getting $40M, or I’m officially quitting my Warrior fanship until Cohan & team are gone. I believe in Mullin, I believe that he’s turned a corner, but if he goes back I’m done until the next tenure.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 13, 2008 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is IMPOSSIBLE
To add a FA from 2010 with Ellis, Beans & Maggette so all we can hope for is a productive FA in 2010
"Get Er Dun!"
by YayArea510 on Nov 13, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta get it right
It’s Gerald like everyone states. What you get is a kid with ton’s of talent, but is prone to getting injured and is a bit inconsistent. With Jack you have a team captain and a leader what plays well in this system. You need Jackson
by FutureGiantsGm24 on Nov 12, 2008 9:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wallace is much better rebounder than Jack.
Jack’s a much better playmaker.
Wallace is more explosive.
They’re both rock solid on D.
Wallace is four years younger.
Jack’s more durable.
Jack has a much bigger heart / better intangibles / leadership qualities.
On balance, I agree with you. Without Jack, I’m not even sure what the Ws are.
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 12, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are you fucking retarded
gerald wallace not ben wallace u fuck face
by Foulacy on Nov 12, 2008 12:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
wow...
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on Nov 12, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly NOT the Barack Obama of GSoM...
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 12, 2008 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
gerald wallace not ben wallace u fuck face
PMS ?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 12, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And lets not forget!
In about 2 years (god i hate waiting for the future) we will have a monster stud with Anthony Randolph. Why even try to get wallace who will if he even stayed healthy, would end up getting phased out by AR.
by meximocha on Nov 12, 2008 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And let's not forget
shouldn’t it be….. Let’s hope????
by lightz0ut on Nov 12, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The stud AR? What happened with the Stud O’Brien or dare I say Dunleavy?
"Get Er Dun!"
by YayArea510 on Nov 13, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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