Around the NBA (early)
I just wanted to comment on a few things around the league that have been on my mind and since this is a Warriors blog it will pertain to the W's indirectly.
- Has any one been looking at how Matt Barnes has been playing this season. Always one of my favorite Warriors the last few years is putting up solid numbers - makes you reexamine the reasons for his yearlong struggles last year what with the loss of his mother and all.
- Where is Adonal Foyle? I know he was resigned by the Magic but I haven't seen him this year and I can't find any injury notes on him.
- Look at Baron Davis' early numbers. Down in every category - something as a Warrior fan I find satisfying, although I loved his time here.
- Although Mickael Pietrus was aggravating to many a fan - he is quietly having a good season thus far for the Magic. 87% from the line????
- And lastly... Is anyone else finding great satisfaction in the Dallas Mavericks early struggles. Especially after Mark Cuban threw Avery Johnson under the bus saying his players wanted him fired?? I know I am and I think maybe Avery is too.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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good to see barnes doing well…we all knew he was better than he showed last year.
by dubbers on Nov 12, 2008 4:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Can't think of a better guy to be sucessful
Here’s to you, Matt.
I have seen the future and his name is Matt Wieters.
by Baked Biedrins on Nov 12, 2008 4:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
at the same time
one could argue that Matt’s bad showing last season is the real reason the Warrior’s weren’t a lot better last year.
but good to see his career still intact.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Nov 12, 2008 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baron Davis
Main reason for being down in every category is one stat. His minutes are way down.
by Psion on Nov 12, 2008 4:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Have you noticed what a great year Buke is having now that Barnes and Peitrus are gone?
It goes both ways.
by smearthebeard on Nov 12, 2008 4:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Have you noticed
how much money we blew on corey maggette now that barnes and pietrus are gone?
by sam23 on Nov 12, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you noticed how we don't have players stepping out of bounds on their own now that Pietrus is gone.
by smearthebeard on Nov 12, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no actually I havent noticed that. The team still looks plenty bad.
by sam23 on Nov 12, 2008 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Buike and Morrow
stepped out of bounds if memory serves me right. I still wanted to count Buike vs. Pietrus in stepping out of bounds.
by lightz0ut on Nov 12, 2008 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
gotta love barnes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY3fznDMbiQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F256m3T-qKE
JRich 23
by warriorsalltheway on Nov 12, 2008 4:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Classic
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 12, 2008 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pure #22
build a team & destroy the roof and
Sign Tim Hudson now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by nuttinbutnet
by Lat We N Trash on Nov 12, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's at it again tonight
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=281112021
Never liked the guy, ever, classless motherfunker.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Nov 13, 2008 1:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
second one doesn't work for some reason but he checks a spurs guy and gets ejected
JRich 23
by warriorsalltheway on Nov 12, 2008 4:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You just gotta copy paste
Late in the game, who cares if you get ejected. Plus, a 5K fine for an NBA player is nothing, or 10K or whatever.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 12, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy Fernandez
playing like I thought (hoped) Bellinili might
Rudy is going to be really good. Belli is looking like a bust
by SFzig on Nov 12, 2008 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
belli
i believe is younger than fernandez, i may be wrong. anyways its way too early to say whether he’s a bust. and last night he looked pretty good in the 5 min he played. 2/3, 2 3pointers and decent defense.
by montamazing on Nov 12, 2008 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Morrow and Beli + Capable Passing PG = Tre Storm
by yocballer on Nov 12, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yessss
is it just me or does belli have the nicest looking shot in the league…when it goes in
by montamazing on Nov 12, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He really isn't a good percentage shooter
more of a streaky guy
I hope he can elevate the rest of his game
by SFzig on Nov 12, 2008 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fernandez if 23
and looks really solid already as a rotation player with the potential to be even better. He as great on the Spanish team at the Olympics too
Catch him tonight? He was very good
If Belli has another bad year should we call him a bust?
by SFzig on Nov 12, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's had one bad year
One, and he’d be a junior in college right now or something. He’s definitely not there now, he’s definitely not going to have a good year, but that doesn’t completely mean he’s a bust. Just, you know, 75% bust 25% decent role player.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 12, 2008 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Marco had been good
At any OTHER level of play, I’d feel more confident…
He simply wasn’t very good over in Eurolandia also, and seeing him play on TV when I lived over there I was surprised he was considered for the first round. It’s feast or famine with the dude, and he does nothing else. The Italian Juan Dixon.
It’s almost like his physical resemblance (from afar) to Manu tricked people into rating him as a mid first round talent. He’s not very big, quick, athletic, or skilled.
It’s crazy to me.
ESPECIALLY since he went before Rudy, who was already a known product in the 2007 draft. You just had to wait a year (and possibly more) to get him, so some teams looked away from him.
We Portland fans know all about waiting a year for something special, unfortunately.
I love you guys, but I can almost promise you Marco Yellybelly will not be a very good player at all. He’ll score double digits on a horrible team that needs someone, ANYONE, to shoot the ball. Juan Dixon is the best comparison I can think of— not good.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 14, 2008 3:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Eurolandia"?
Is that a technical term?
I’m with ya on Marco, but I’m allowed to leave a 25% hope on the table that he becomes a… serviceable role player as a shooter, right? Right? And hey, Juan had a career night the other night! He’s not gone yet!
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 4:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he's almost a year younger, but
while Fernandez was hailed as one of the top players in Europe and is from Spain (which has some of the best Euro talent in the NBA), Belinelli was a streak shooter who did nothing else from Italy (with two notable potential busts in Bargnani & Galinari).
Rudy’s won tons of awards over in Europe…. multiple MVP’s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_FernC3A1ndez_(basketball)
Marco… not so much…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Belinelli
by the evil monkey on Nov 12, 2008 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hm. Fernandez link got all funky.
Spain
Rudy Fernández. won the 2006 and 2008 Catalan League championships, the 2006 FIBA EuroCup championship, the 2008 Spanish King’s Cup championship, and the 2008 ULEB Cup championship while playing with DKV Joventut of the Spanish ACB League. He also won numerous personal awards while playing with DKV Joventut, such as the 2004 Spanish King’s Cup MVP, the 2006 FIBA EuroCup Final Four MVP, the Euroleague 2006-07 season’s Rising Star Award, the 2008 Spanish King’s Cup MVP, the 2008 ULEB Cup Final MVP, and the 2008 Catalan League Final MVP.
In July of 2007, his contract with Joventut was extended through the year 2011, however his contract was bought out early in the year 2008 so that he could join the NBA.
by the evil monkey on Nov 12, 2008 11:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on Belinelli turning out to be overrated (and Bargani too)
But Galinari has played like 7 NBA games, give the guy a little bit of a chance to show you what he can do…
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 12, 2008 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you're right
i should probably stop listening to my buddy from NY.
by the evil monkey on Nov 13, 2008 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Before he got hurt
I liked how Galinari looked, actually.
He was more athletic and active than I expected, and bigger too. He was doing a lot of good things in summer league, things that are duplicable in the regular season. Hustling for offensive boards, loose balls, scoring in a variety of ways…
NY fans are going to be impatient as always, and starting out the career with a nagging injury doesn’t please anyone, but as long as he comes back healthy I’m sure he’ll be a decent to good to maybe more of a player.
NY fans are overreacting.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 14, 2008 3:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What?!?!?! You mean he's not putting up 20/10 yet?
OMG HE SUCKS!!!
Yeah, those are NY fans. So used to the Yankees new player kicking butt.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 3:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baron Davis stats
Don’t the Clippers play at a slower pace then we did last year? That could account for some of the lower stats for Baron.
by IQofaWarrior on Nov 12, 2008 8:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
really
his 4-15 and 0-4 3 pointers…. the slower pace didnt really slow does his fg attempts.
on the dubs he had ellis and jackson to score with him.
on the clips there is only him and thorton for scoring. kaman and camby need to be fed much like andris of last year.
by saintdee on Nov 12, 2008 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's shooting 39% overall and 29% from three
Incidentally, he’s also shooting worse than Beans from the free throw line. I don’t care what pace you play at or how many minutes you get, a “star” PG shooting 62% FTs and less than 40% from the field is bad, very, very bad. Plus, his PER is just over league average. Yeah, let’s sign that guy!
Not!
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 12, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hes
only bad cause hes in LA partying way too hard and under dunleavy iron rule fist.
kate hudson is hazardous to your health…
by saintdee on Nov 13, 2008 12:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It’s definitely not that his team sucks, he’s injured in multiple places, and he’s alredy got the $65M guaranteed contract that he wanted… he’s got nothing to play for right now. You are right on the coach though. That definitely compounds the other factors significantly.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 13, 2008 12:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just going around responding to your posts
I agree about Baron.
Right when he got his last big contract, it’s time to relax for Baron. He’s back home, makin’ a lotta money, for a team with constant low expectations… it’s exactly what a dude like he wants.
Baron wasn’t ever a winner, and it won’t start now. He thrived under Nelly, and Nelly thrives with a great PG, but his effort and conditioning has never been top notch and most players don’t change their spots at age 30+.
The Clippers have looked amazingly bad, and I’ll be surprised if Baron plays more than 2/3rds of a season for the rest of his contract. He got paid, time to relax!
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 14, 2008 3:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His effort and conditioning were great last year ;-)
Look what it got him: 65 large and a trip home. Oh yeah baby!
Baron, thanks for the good times, and especially thanks for taking us to the playoffs. I will never forget watching a Mavs fan get all excited in the waning moments of game 5 when Dallas came back from way down to bring it back to Oakland knowing, KNOWING that the Dubs would clean up at home two nights later. For that, I thank you.
I would also like to thank Mulson for not resigning the lame-o. Thanks for dodging that bullet. And you know, I bet Baron would have tried a little if he’d gotten that 40M/3 year extension from Mulson because he would get another contract afterwards. Well played Mulson. Well played.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 4:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What are your thoughts
On the Maggette deal?
I do not understand it. For a team rebuilding, to sign a good-not-great big money free agent to hopefully stay mediocre… what is the point?
To just do SOMETHING, to not appear complacent?
I don’t think you’re a Homer, so I’m interested in your take on the signing. I’m of the mind that if a guy ain’t gonna lead you anywhere, I’d rather see and develop the youth (unless, of course, the youth ain’t trying hard in practice or isn’t doing what the coach asks of them).
Just seems like such a waste of a big signing that will seriously hamstring them when Maggette’s athleticism is all the way gone…
Morty
by Mortimer on Nov 14, 2008 4:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What else are you going to do with 10M?
They didn’t want to just fork it over to Monta/Beans, then they would have become “Albatross” contracts. My mentality going into the season was that we should have been pretty competitive with Monta/Jax/Maggs/TMNT/Beans with Buke/Turiaf coming off the bench. It doesn’t challenge the Lakers or anything, but it’s pretty solid, especially if one of the following happens:
BWright shows some life
Monta shows he can be a “Tony Parker with hops and insane finishing ability” Monta develops some range out to 3 point land to become even more dangerous
Beans becomes Nononene (see my sig if you haven’t seen the video).
Nononene registers the first ever “Double double for the entire season”.
But that all went to hell pretty quickly once Monta got injured, TMNT started whining, Maggs pulling a hammy (and you know that’s gonna take a while to completely heal), Mullin getting hamstrung, etc.
Now it’s:
A) Hope we keep afloat long enough to get something decent in return for TMNT and for Monta to come back so we can make a push a la 06-07… or
B) Hope we keep losing, Nellie throws in the towel and actually DELIBERATELY starts playing the youngsters to help them along in their development curves… even though he won’t be around next year.
Yeah… the options are pretty thin here. Maybe we can hope for Nellie to stick around to pass Wilkins? I got nothing, I’m feeling pretty screwed as a bball fan right now.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 5:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
kate hudson
now that’s the kind of health hazard i’d be down with too
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Nov 13, 2008 12:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
these are...
the stats I was really looking at when I wrote the comment. Shooting percentages down across the board. If that keeps up we could be witnessing the beginning of the “expected” decline of an NBA PG. Unless he puts up ungodly numbers in years to come – still not worth the money he wanted from the W’s.
John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
by triplesix on Nov 13, 2008 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
personally...
i wouldn’t care if Baron peaked when he was with the Warriors. if his career goes downhill from here i’d have no tears about it.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Nov 12, 2008 9:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ha
ain’t it convenient that you put this up on Barnes that next thing he does for the night is get in a huge fight lol
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 13, 2008 3:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Holy S
Did you guys see Shaq push T Mac to the Floor like he was a child? HAHA
T-MAC = P@WNED
by meximocha on Nov 13, 2008 7:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
i know i am going to get a lot of hate for this but
why does everyone use Barnes’ mom’s death as an excuse for his poor play. Monta Ellis’ brother got shot and we barely even heard about it let alone notice it in his game. I personally would be much more traumatized if my brother was shot than if my mom died of natural causes. I hate to use examples of our rivals but Fisher, Odom, and Artest all have children who died from or currently have serious medical conditions yet they never seem affected by it on the basketball court. In my opinion, Barnes’ tough guy image is superficial and I’m glad we got rid of him.
Speaking of players’ children, I don’t think any of our players have kids (that we know about). How many other teams can say that?
by wheregobacktosocalhappens on Nov 13, 2008 9:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
there is...
a difference between a reason and an excuse. While I agree that as a fan it would be nice if a personal tragic loss did not affect a players play, the truth is that it might and it wouldn’t be surprising if it did, I don’t personally know why Barnes struggled last year – but from an outsiders perspective it seems as though his mother’s death hit him hard.
John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
by triplesix on Nov 13, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AND
A brother being shot is different from a mother passing. You can still see you brother, you can’t see mom after she is gone. If I recall Fisher, Odom, and Boozer all went through tough stretches while their children were sick. I won’t say it’s an excuse but you could possibly see where it’s coming from if someone is struggling.
"Get Er Dun!"
by YayArea510 on Nov 13, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Different people have different relationships with their families
I personally would be much more traumatized if my brother was shot than if my mom died of natural causes.
Then you’re not like 99.99% of people in this world. People tend have a very, very, very strong bond with their mother.
Also, remember when MJ’s father got killed? He quit the NBA for a few years… in his prime.
Frankly, I know you expected this, but it’s insensitive for you to suggest that somebody else losing a loved one should react in a certain way. Everybody is wired differently and everybody has different relationships with the different people in their lives.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 13, 2008 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I know it was probably insensitive but frankly I don’t have much compassion for someone who goes around committing flagrant fouls trying to act tough but backs down and fails to perform when tough times actually arrive.
by wheregobacktosocalhappens on Nov 13, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And
by the highlighted statement I didn’t mean to imply any comparison’s between mothers or brothers but simply that someone being shot has to be more traumatizing than someone suffering from a chronic illness with a predictable outcome. I know this is a touchy subject and I should probably not have brought it up but you have to agree with me that after watching Barnes initiate yesterday’s fight for no valid reason you cannot possibly have any respect for him.
by wheregobacktosocalhappens on Nov 13, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You got a very simple view of the world
So we’re not supposed to respect anybody who does anything wrong ever, no matter what else they do? Please.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 1:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"You got a very simple view of the world"
How arrogant of you to assume you have the right to make a categorical judgment of a complete stranger’s view of the world based on a handful of misinterpreted comments made on a blog about basketball. How does my criticizing Barnes for intentionally inflicting physical harm on others reveal a simple view of the world?
by wheregobacktosocalhappens on Nov 14, 2008 2:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
F-ing A I hate this "ALT-back"
It’s permanently deleting all my drafted comments!
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 3:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's goes again...
First, on misinterpretation. Here’s your comment that I “misinterpreted”:
I personally would be much more traumatized if my brother was shot than if my mom died of natural causes.
Your clarification was:
by the highlighted statement I didn’t mean to imply any comparison’s between mothers or brothers but simply that someone being shot has to be more traumatizing than someone suffering from a chronic illness with a predictable outcome.
Let me respond with two comments:
1. If you meant a general comparison, you should have used a general comparison, not a direct topical comparison. You directly compared Barnes’ situation with his mother to Monta’s with his brother, then you made a general statement about, again, mothers and brothers. I’m sorry if interpreted it to mean that you thought Monta’s situation would be harder to take, or that losing a mother is going to be harder to take than losing a brother for most people. It’s what you said. If you mean something else, say so next time. If you meant what you seem to be implying by the latter statement, something along the lines of “Losing somebody is never fun, but for me, it would be worse to lose that person all of a sudden by gunshot than losing somebody to a chronic illness with a predictable outcome”. And to that I respond with:
2. If you’ve ever watched somebody “die of natural causes” (or to use your despicable language “die of a chronic illness with a predictable outcome”), you’d know that it’s not something to take lightly. I have, by the way, though I was not as close to this person as Barnes was to his mother. I was able to see the impact it had on the dying person’s closest companion.
Watching somebody die slowly, each day getting worse and worse, hacking and wheezing, telling you they love you and to be strong and go on with your life and be happy, but you can’t, because you see the person you love dieing right in front of you and you are powerless to stop it, then they pass out and the nurses shove you out of the room while they try to keep your loved one alive, still you can do nothing to help even though you would give anything, even your own life, to do so. Everybody reacts to these feelings differently, some people lash out at the world in a fit of rage and it empowers them (think Brett Favre the Monday night after his father died), some people have trouble making it through the day. All of this is just “an excuse” to you? Are you serious?
Now onto your most recent comments…
You’re the one making the “categorical judgement of a complete stranger” by basing your entire view of Matt Barnes on a few things he’s done on the basketball court and basically saying that he’s an a-hole and doesn’t deserve your sympathy. Well, if you’re going to base your entire unwavering view of somebody based on if they’ve ever done anything mean to anyone, you’d hate us all because we all do things we’re not proud of sometimes. Why, just last week I lied to a customer (just a little) to close a sale.
That, my friend, is why I think you have a “simple view of the world”. Are you truly so pure? Is that a glass or a mortar house out of which you’re thrown stones are coming?
Because of a few actions that resulted in no more than bumps and bruises, you feel that you have the right to belittle the loss of a loved one. For that, I pity you. For your sake, I hope your family dies suddenly, not from a painful bout with cancer. I hope you never go through what Matt Barnes has.
PS. I’m sorry if I, once again, misinterpreted your comments. Please enlighten me once more.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 3:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow i never should have started this
First of all I hope you don’t think I am some innocent ten year old who knows nothing about death because telling me how I should want my family to die makes it seem like that. You’ve provided the argument for one side so let me provide the argument for the other. Would you like to have someone taken away from you suddenly without any time to say parting words and share last memories? Would you like to live your life having nightmares about who it is that shot your loved one? In my experience, natural illnesses tend to bring families together and bring out the best in everyone whereas a shooting just leads to animosity and thoughts of revenge. Not to mention that a shooting is an unnatural death that cuts your life short as opposed to the body naturally coming to equilibrium. I know both are painful, but given the choice would you rather have your loved one die by a bullet or in a bed with you by their side. The answer seems obvious to me.
Back to the reason why I even brought up death. I can honestly tell you that my employer wouldn’t give me anywhere near the amount of slack we are giving Barnes. Heck, he would probably pretend he didn’t know just to get more productivity out of me. In my profession, I take responsibility for my work and I know that if I don’t do that, no matter what excuse I have, I will be punished for it. It is a shame that NBA players are not held to the same standards.
Anyways all i was saying is that Barnes’ purposely inflicting physical harm on others makes me think less of him and I don’t know why others don’t think less of him too. If it’s because of his mother, and if you think that is a valid reason, then conversely why was Monta not given distinct praise when he overcame his brother’s tragedy without showing it in his game. The numbers don’t add up – that’s the only point I was making. You read way too much into this. Warrior’s fans criticize everyone from Baron to Harrington to Pietrus yet I have never heard any blatant criticism of Barnes. HURTING OTHER PEOPLE IS NOT NICE. It’s really that simple. Is there any controversy in that statement? Just forget about what I said about death, etc. (that had little to actually do with my actual point, why did I ever bring it up?) and answer this, why do players like Artest, Jackson (pre-Warriors) , etc. get so much hate when Barnes’ repeated flagrant fouls (blatant attempts to hurt others) are given a free pass. Is it because of his mom or is it because …. I am not going to go there because if I say it you will probably right a book on your next comment but there is some obvious visual difference between Barnes and Artest, Jackson, and most other vilified players.
by wheregobacktosocalhappens on Nov 14, 2008 9:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barnes’ purposely inflicting physical harm on others makes me think less of him and I don’t know why others don’t think less of him too.
It’s sports, that’s what happens with physical emotional play. The Suns were the victim last year in the playoffs, Barnes was just evening the score a bit. The Warriors could use some Barnes toughness right now. Our 07 playoff team knew how to use the swagger.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 14, 2008 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See what I mean WGBTSCH?
It’s a man’s game. If you’re not tough, you don’t make it. Unless you’re insanely talented like T-Mac. Go watch an NFL game and pay attention to the line the entire game if you want to see some real dirty players.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*Note
Being tough != throwing aside your dead mother like she was nothing.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
again misinterpreting comments
Monta is tough for being able to overcome hardship and produce even in times of adversity. How does performing on the court and doing your job= “throwing aside your dead mother like she was nothing”? Mourning your family and doing your job are not mutually exclusive. You do realize that given the TOUGH economic times, employers have no sympathy in firing their employees if they show any decline in productivity, regardless of the reasons behind them. I know and have great respect for a few truly tough people that have horrible personal lives but when they come to work they are all business. Your sarcastic comment belittles their toughness instead of acknowleding it. I’m quite disgusted.
by wheregobacktosocalhappens on Nov 14, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize you're not an employer?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 17, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
to quote Jim Rome...
“Man’s game bitch”
John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
by triplesix on Nov 14, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I really f-ing hate my keyboard...
It’s keys are all in different places than my normal one and I keep hitting the “page back” key.
NBA players travel all the time and get physically and emotionally drained far more from their jobs than you or I. Adding a death in the family, especially one that Matt was clearly so close to could easily push him over the top.
Regardless, neither you or I are Matt’s boss. In one of my posts that got deleted, I mentioned this. I harbor no ill will towards the Warriors for letting him go, he wasn’t performing, so it didn’t make sense for the team to pay him. But you and I are not his boss. We’re fans of a basketball team. You are free to not like him for whatever reason you choose, but don’t compare one person’s loss to that of another, and if you’re not writing his paycheck, it’s inhumane to say “hey, buck up bro! Stop sucking, you’re such an a-hole for pushing Ronny Turiaf that one time!”
If you praise Monta, you’re indirectly criticizing Barnes. Again, you’re not his boss.
Artest had a rep before the brawl, but most of his rep now comes from the brawl (and is exacerbated by the fact that he’s crazy). Jax has a reputation for the same reason. You can’t tell me that Barnes should be reviled for checking a few guys in the flow of a physical game as much as somebody who went into the stands and punched paying fans in the face in one of the worst incidents in NBA history. The complaints about BD, Harrington, Pietrus are all basketball related, he takes too many 3s, he steps out of bounds, he doesn’t rebound or play defense, etc. Barnes never lost us a game because of a hip check, they were all in the waning moments. If anything, people liked the hit on Turiaf as a “no easy baskets” homage to the “Bad Boys”. Keep in mind you’re on a GSW blog with lots (and I do mean LOTS) of homers. Our opinion of Barnes isn’t exactly the national or general opinion.
So to answer your unasked question, yeah, the difference between Barnes and Artest/Jackson is not that Barnes is half white, it’s that he never sucker punched a fan in the face, he’s a Warrior, and this is a Warriors blog. On the other hand, I’d like to believe that in the Bay, we’d be colorblind, but after growing up in Berkeley, I’m not that naive.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Growing up in Berkeley"
at least we share something in common
by wheregobacktosocalhappens on Nov 14, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
Someone mentioned this in another post regarding the importance of Stephen Jackson but it’s worth repeating. Warriors with Baron last year minus Jackson opened 0-6. This year with the Clippers 1-7.
John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
by triplesix on Nov 13, 2008 9:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
and their only win came against dallas
the mavs are still having nightmares about baron
by wheregobacktosocalhappens on Nov 13, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barnes is that dude
did you see him start that scuffle in Pheonix? Classic!
by Aware1 on Nov 13, 2008 3:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
be careful
be careful when you try to defend blatant flagrant fouls like barnes. if you do so, be prepared to be called out when a player from your team gets on the receiving end of it.
i’m all for playing the game like a man within the confines of the rules. i’m also all for protecting your teammates from acts of intimidation or downright violence. but if Barnes shoved Jax or Ellis and caused the same ruckus during a Suns-Warriors game, how quick are we gonna defend him in that instance? Blatant dirty play from any player on any team should be condemned accross the board. And i’m talking about the play not the player for you illiterates.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Nov 14, 2008 7:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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