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A look back at the 2002-2006 Drafts

Year by year teams get a chance to improve their roster by selecting one of the many young prospects available in the draft. And year by year, you see players emerge from the bottom of the drafts and become solid contributor. Some even turn out to be NBA stars.

Why the article? I was browsing around in NBA.com and saw an article about Danny Granger and how he's really growing into a solid NBA player so I decided to check out the past couple of drafts and what the Warriors got vs. what was available. I found some interesting stuff so I thought I'd share some with you. I went 5 drafts back not counting the 2007 and 2008 draft.

2002 - I decided to exclude this draft year on the poll because, at the moment, it is the landslide winner. Not only did we pass on what turns out to be really really good players (not blaming anyone), we have the #3 pick, the highest we've picked since 2005. If only we got that spot one year later (the Pistons already took the bust of the draft at #2).

Who we picked: Mike Dunleavy

Who was available at the time: Amare, Caron Butler, Tayshaun Prince, Boozer, Haslem (undrafted).

2003

Who we picked: Mickael Pietrus

Who was available at the time: David West, Boris Diaw, Travis Outlaw, Leandro Barbosa, Josh Howard.

2004

Who we picked: Andris Biedrins

Who was available: Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, Kevin Martin,

2005

Who we picked: Ike Diogu

Who was available: Andrew Bynum, Danny Granger, Hakim Warrick, Nate Robinson, Jarrett Jack, Jason Maxiell, David Lee, Ronny Turiaf, Louis Williams.

2006

Who we picked: Patrick O'Bryant

Who was available: Ronnie Brewer, Rajon Rondo, Marcus Williams, Kyle Lowry, Sergio Rodriguez, Craig Smith, Paul Millsap, Leon Powe

 

 

What's interesting to me is that everybody but Biedrins is gone. POB and Pietrus did not field us anybody in return. Dunleavy & Diogu (w/ Murphy) got us SJax. What's even more interesting is that notice how alot of the names being thrown around lately are in here. You got David Lee, Sergio Rodriguez, Travis Outlaw, Prince, a couple of other point guards. Then you have Warrior Killers David West, Boozer, Millsap, etc.

We're talking about wanting to get these players now when the Warriors could've picked them in the draft and provide better value for our picks.

 

 

 

Poll
Which of the following draft year did the Warriors really dropped the ball?
2003
85 votes
2004
3 votes
2005
79 votes
2006
52 votes

219 votes | Poll has closed

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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2003

No question

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Nov 13, 2008 8:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

picks

Man our picks except Bedrins were awful. We could have some great players. Who chooses our draft picks. Come one Fire them we need good picks. WHo does their research. Foyle was awful, what did they see in him…. man……….

by ImTonyFatty on Nov 14, 2008 12:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wow 2005 draft..

easily our biggest mistake cuz there were so many good names left on the board

by MeTaLLiCs0naTaS on Nov 13, 2008 8:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Its always good to look back at drafts but....

here are key things you are missing. Like who was drafted after our pick, and the scouting reports on players you listed.
For example 2002, lets look at the circumstances, Warriors bounce the third pick in a 2 player draft, Jay Williams and Yao Ming. Mike DunLEAVey was the most polished player available and the Warriors grabbed him. You list Amare(who the Suns took a flyer on, big risk, big reward, turns out to be a great pick as Amare is top 5 big men now, but still a risk) Caron Butler( didnt accomplish much till he got to Washington, very raw coming out of college) Prince(looked polish and solid, but didnt seem to have the assests to be a star from his work at Kentucky) and Boozer and Haslem(wasnt on anybody’s radar).

So its easy to say ‘Damn Mullin, why didnt you grab Amare, or atleast Boozer instead of Dunleavey.’ thats ridiculuos. You have to keep it in context.

At the same time, look at Diougu and O’Bryant. Both of these players lack the basktball IQ and the motor to succeseed in the NBA, those are the things we should fault Chris on.

Its easy to say, how could we draft Fuller before Bryant, but you got to remeber to keep it in context….

Ellis to the rim.

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 13, 2008 8:59 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Dunleavy

Yeah i can’t fault the Warriors for picking him. Most people expected us to pick him. That’s how highly he was regarded.

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 13, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep,

people have to go back and look at what was going on that year. Its easy to say Boozer was available and we grabbed Mike D. Booze was a sleeper in that draft and Cavs took a flyer on him.

Its not fair to say ‘wow we grabbed that guy when all these guys were available’ 5 years later….

Ellis to the rim.

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 13, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and becides

Boozer would have screwed us just to play for the Jazz

by qin on Nov 14, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well

I never said any of those thing you pointed out. lol.

Like I said, I was at NBA.com and saw an article about the rise of Danny Granger and upon looking at the past drafts, realized a lot of the names being thrown around by others for us to get could have been ours to begin with.

I was debating what title to put on the poll, I think this might be the better choice in your case and some others who thinks I’m trying to criticize the Warrior moves: Which draft year you wish we could redo (starting from our pick)?

by lightz0ut on Nov 13, 2008 9:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2006,

we had a decent team that year with Baron making a ridiculuos charge in the end of the year.

O’Bryant was a horrible pick. We got unlucky that Rudy Gay was picked right before us by Houston.

Serioulsy I liked Diogu, but Mullin must of talked to the kid and relized he didnt have the capacity to be a good player. But he would of been laughed at if he picked Nate Robinson,David Lee, Williams, or Turiaf with the 11th pick that year…..

Ellis to the rim.

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 13, 2008 9:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy Gay

I remember crossing my fingers hoping Rudy Gay would still be available. Now look at that dude. He’s got star written all over him.

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 13, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hindsight

Disregard the poll question and answer this: If we could redo the draft today, which draft would you wish we can re do?

by lightz0ut on Nov 13, 2008 9:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2006, refer up,

O Bryant came out of nowhere, I wasnt even thinking of him. To make matter worse we draft Kosta Perovic in the second round, and then in August hire Nellie, a man who notoriouly hates big men, espicially young big men.

Anyway, its always good to look back, it wasnt my intention to insult you or anything like that. I would of just brought a draft and list what happend and what we could of done. Its not realistic to say we should of drafted Boozer who didnt look overly impressive at Duke and was selected in the mid secound round….

Ellis to the rim.

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 13, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

2005

If i remember correctly, nobody expected the Warriors to pick Diogu. He was a surprise to pretty much all mock drafters. Some mocks had us taking Granger or Warrick, but Diogu was a complete shocker. It drives me crazy when the Warriors pick a nobody like they think they know something that other teams don’t.

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 13, 2008 9:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

wow... an even split between 2003 and 2005

I thought the perfect player we could have picked was in 2003, David West. Him and Biedrins sharing the paint would have been nice.

But I think with the many role players that could be helping us right now, not to mention Bynum and Granger, they dropped the bigger ball there.

by lightz0ut on Nov 13, 2008 9:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why would we draft Bynum?

Easy to say that now, at the time, why would pick a raw 18 year old high schooler when we picked up a raw 17 year old center the year before?

Cant look at things in hind sight. I would make he argument for Warrick or Granger as they looked like guys who could possibly break out.

Ellis to the rim.

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 13, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

definitely not 2005

because we at least got somebody in exchange for Ike
and we also got monta with the 40th pick

Thank you, Dubs.

by misterho on Nov 13, 2008 9:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

2005 draft, lets look back at....

 Milwaukee Bucks Andrew Bogut, Utah
2 Atlanta Hawks Marvin Williams, North Carolina
3 Utah Jazz Deron Williams, Illinois
4 New Orleans Hornets Chris Paul, Wake Forest
5 Charlotte Bobcats Raymond Felton, North Carolina
6 Portland Trail Blazers Martell Webster, Seattle Prep HS
7 Toronto Raptors Charlie Villanueva, Connecticut
8 New York Knicks Channing Frye, Arizona
9 Golden State Warriors Ike Diogu, Arizona State
10 LA Lakers Andrew Bynum, St. Joseph (NJ) HS
11 Orlando Magic Fran Vazquez, Spain
12 LA Clippers Yaroslav Korolev, CSKA Moscow
13 Charlotte Bobcats Sean May, North Carolina
14 Minnesota Timberwolves Rashad McCants, North Carolina
15 New Jersey Nets Antoine Wright, Texas A&M
16 Toronto Raptors Joey Graham, Oklahoma State
17 Indiana Pacers Danny Granger, New Mexico
18 Boston Celtics Gerald Green, Gulf Shores Acad (TX)
19 Memphis Grizzlies Hakim Warrick, Syracuse
20 Denver Nuggets Julius Hodge, North Carolina State
21 Phoenix Suns (to New York) Nate Robinson, Washington
22 Denver Nuggets (to Portland) Jarrett Jack, Georgia Tech
23 Sacramento Kings Francisco Garcia, Louisville
24 Houston Rockets Luther Head, Illinois
25 Seattle SuperSonics Johan Petro, France
26 Detroit Pistons Jason Maxiell, Cincinnati
27 Portland Trail Blazers (to Denver) Linas Kleiza, Missouri
28 San Antonio Spurs Ian Mahinmi, STB Le Havre (France)
29 Miami Heat Wayne Simien, Kansas
30 New York Knicks David Lee, Florida
 
 

Ellis to the rim.

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 13, 2008 9:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

biggest mistakes

Atlanta, picking Williams but they needed a pg and look who was drafted next
Charlotte, tell Jordan to lay of NC, Felton is decentnoting more
NYK, Frye, even though, like Diogu, he had star potential written all over him
Clipper and Magic…. I know the Vazquez story, never heard of the other guy
Charlotte and Minnesota, both of those guys look average at best
Denver
Toranto
Boston, definelty not a first rounder
SA and Miami

Ellis to the rim.

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 13, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So maybe the Diogu pick wasnt that bad,

seriouly there is no way Mullin picks David Lee or Nate Robinson there….

Ellis to the rim.

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 13, 2008 9:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i

really liked IKE he played well especially that one game in Detroit. He was just misused i guess at the moment he did look better than David Lee come on he got boooed at the garden! and Nate Robinson come on who wanted a short guy.

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 14, 2008 1:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Take in to account..

How come no one has even thought of what management and coaching staff were considering during the draft?
Im sure we were trying to fill in players that would fit well and could mesh with the Musselman system. We did not even think about having Nelli as a coach at the time. So we cannot just make total blame on the team, but given that its thier choice we do have to blame to a degree.

Long Beach State Dubz Fan

by F120man on Nov 13, 2008 10:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

That’s still a problem though. You should always use JAE’s methodology:

1. Improve the talent level of the team
2. Repeat above

Always draft the most talented guy on the board. If it’s a risk/reward situation vs. proven player, do the risk/reward calculation and figure out which is the better option. Obviously factor in the rarity of a player (centers are far more rare than combo guards, etc.), but you can’t be successful drafting for a position of need. It just doesn’t work.

I’ve always been of the opinion that a good coach, at any level, in any sport, should be able to do the best with the team he’s got instead of trying to force your spread option offense down the throats of a team built for smashmouth football (see: Rodriguez, Mitch). If you’ve got David Robinson and you lucked into the #1 pick, you don’t say “Hey, we already got a dominant center, but we got a 32 year old middling PG, we gotta replace him!”, instead you say “Hey, Tim Duncan is awesome, let’s get him, imagine him paired up with Robinson, that would be insane!” Draft talent, make it fit.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 5:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

in the 05 draft...

i wouldnt consider powe as a miss because he was drafted in the second round and as misterho said we did get monta whom i would definitely take over powe

by Azubuike is the G.O.A.T on Nov 13, 2008 10:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Powe was a year later

Warriors drafted some 7’ something guy named Kosta Perovic

If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh

by StephenO4 on Nov 13, 2008 11:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Post

The Dunleavy deal seemed ok at the time. I mean in college he was amazing and he comes from a great basketball family. The funny thing is there were three studs from Duke that year in Dumleavy, Jason Williams, and Boozer. Everyone thought Boozer wouldn’t amount to much while the others would be all stars and now its just the oppisite.
I look at 2005 with IKE and can’t be upset becuase if I had to take top 5 from that draft today it would be D Will, Paul, Granger, Bynum, and Monta so we easily got the biggest steal in my eyes.

by FutureGiantsGm24 on Nov 13, 2008 11:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I voted 2003. But in 2005.

Bynum was on top of my board and we didn’t get him.

Anyoways on a side note I will be writing up Draft Preview 1.0 in a few weeks once Collegiate and International ball gels. Sadly though, when we suck (Last time was in 06) the draft class is pretty weak and this years class may be as weak as the 06 draft.

Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.

by ejdacanay on Nov 13, 2008 11:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

if

we had Bynum he would of sucked. we would of barely used him. And if i remember his first year and 2nd he sucked (remember that kobe video people paid to watch lol) he would of been traded after that or misused. and if we kept him with Nellie he would of never played. And a lot of Bynum success came from the help of Kareem who trained him to be better.

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 14, 2008 2:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How about when we got the Number 1 draft pick in 1995? We picked Joe Smith over Kevin Garnett, Rasheed Wallace, and Jerry Stackhouse.

WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...

by JustSomeName on Nov 13, 2008 11:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Or even 1996, we picked Todd Fuller (who?!) over Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Peja Stojakovic.

WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...

by JustSomeName on Nov 13, 2008 11:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

1997: Adonle Foyle over T Mac

WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...

by JustSomeName on Nov 13, 2008 11:52 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

1999: We traded Jason Terry for Jeff Foster (again, who?!) and Ron Artest, AK47, Manu Ginobili was still available.

WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...

by JustSomeName on Nov 13, 2008 11:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just to be clear, we did not trade Terry and we didn’t trade him for Foster. We didn’t even trade the draft rights. We traded the pick that became Terry before the draft for Mookie and the pick that became Foster. We drafted Foster with the pick, then turned around and shipped him out for Vonteego Cummings and a future pick that became Troy Murphy. IF the draft had played out as it had and IF we’d kept the pick, we’d have had the opportunity to take Terry, but I remember quite clearly that the Warriors were worried that Terry wasn’t a “real point guard” and they wanted a “real point guard” and were rumored to be after Andre Miller or Will Avery if either were available. Fearing both would be gone, the trade for Mookie was made before a single pick was made.

Foster warrants far more than a “who”. He’s been a respectable player. He’s a very good rebounding big who plays solid position defense. He doesn’t score much, but he doesn’t waste shots. Most teams would benefit from him as their backup center and quite a few could use him as a starter and be better off.

by jae on Nov 14, 2008 12:49 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

NO DRAFT COMPARES ...

to 1996 – TODD FULLER!? And to think that the greatest player post Jordan era was two picks later. We need to stop picking players based on size!

2005 draft was great cause MONTA ELLIS turned out to be stellar!

by D3F1N1T3 on Nov 14, 2008 12:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think 06 was pretty bad

03’ we choose Pietrus when we should’ve chose West. But Troy Murphy was already on the Warriors who prior to the draft was averaging 10 boards and 11 points, I doubt the Warriors were dissatisfied with the way he was playing.

04’ Biedrins is a good player he’s not Al Jefferson but Biedrins developed into a solid center

05’ Yea the Warriors drafted undersized Power Forward with the 9th pick but Ike was apart of Warriors-Pacers Blockbuster Trade Linkfest No Ike probably no Jackson?

06’ POB…Ronnie Brewer, and Carney seem like good players but I haven’t paid too much attention to them lately; I do remember Brewer getting dunk after dunk against the Warriors a year or two ago. And Williams was on the Board why send a 2010 or 2011 draft pick to the nets when we could have used on Williams in 06. It wouldn’t be a wasted pick like POB was. We also drafted Kosta Perovic while Milsap and Powe were on the board.

03’ Warriors had Murphy who was playing well why get west, I think getting Pietrus was ok.

04’ Biedrins he is the Warriors Best player, Jackson and Ellis are good but I think Biedrins will be more important in the future.

05’ We got Ike and traded him along with Murphy (who Pre-Nellie was playing well averaging double-doubles) and Dunleavy for Jackson and Harrington there were others included in the trade but they weren’t significant. Also, Monta Ellis the mississippi bullet MIP of 06-07 season. Warriors drafted Ellis that year.

But 06’ drafted POB let him go after 2 years? than traded a first round pick for someone who was still on the board. You wouldn’t buy NBA live for 50$ when you could have bought NBA 2k7 right? Than throw away Live and pay 50$ to get 2K7 when you should’ve gotten that the first time.

If anyone feels that my “analysis” is incorrect just type in why. Constructive Criticism though =]

If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh

by StephenO4 on Nov 14, 2008 12:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Biedrins isn’t Al Jefferson. He’s better than Jefferson.

by jae on Nov 14, 2008 12:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To be debated...

Both are awesome. I’d still rather have Biedrins too though.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 5:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kobe wouldn't have wanted to play for us anyway
In 1996, Bryant, a teenager exiting high school for the N.B.A., was not the first pick, but he exuded self-importance when he refused to play anywhere but Hollywood.

With the 13th selection, with a deal to trade Bryant to Los Angeles in pocket, Charlotte chose him. But there was a point where it looked as if the Lakers’ Vlade Divac would retire rather than take part in a trade that would send him to Charlotte for Bryant.

Destination Portland: A Big Man, a Small Place

If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh

by StephenO4 on Nov 14, 2008 12:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

so he would of played for the clippers to?

If that happened imagine Kobe would not be Kobe he would be some high end talent with no respect or fan base or care. he would of got traded after a couple years into some team and would of been like the 4th option since nobody would of gave him a chance to flourish with publicity. he would of been like Darius Miles or some other 2 guard nobody would of cared about.

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 14, 2008 2:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine if they hadn't swung the trade for Shaq
he would be some high end talent with no respect or fan base or care. he would of got traded after a couple years into some team and would of been like the 4th option since nobody would of gave him a chance to flourish with publicity. he would of been like Darius Miles or some other 2 guard nobody would of cared about.

Kobe may have lead a team to the playoffs a few times, he might have even gotten his teams farther into the playoffs than T-Mac has. But without Shaq, Kobe is nothing. Without Bynum and Gasol, Kobe is nothing but a whiny superstar prima donna (he knows what that means because he speaks Italian! See, Kobe is cultured…). He’s a singular talent, but he’d have no rings without Shaq.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 5:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Would ***have.***

Not to be a grammar nazi, but six “would ofs” in the same post is a little extreme…

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 14, 2008 5:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Does that go for me too?

Why are you up this early?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 5:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, your grammar is A-OK

I mean, other than starting your post with “Kobe may have lead”… ;-O

It’s not that early in NYC. Where in Asia are you? I was in Japan a couple of weeks ago and got my wife to agree to move back there if Obama lost…

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 14, 2008 6:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

D'oh!

Led… led… I mix it up with read & read sometimes.

Taiwan, then Japan, now Korea. Going back home to the fam tomorrow though, so I’m going to stay up all night to make my feeble attempt to get a jumpstart on jetlag. It’s not gonna work tho, I can already tell. Japan was quite nice, what part are you from? I’ve spent most of my time in Tokyo (Shibuya almost exclusively), but went to Osaka briefly this time.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 6:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We lived on the border of Daikanyama and Ebisu

For two years. Kind of a sedate, grownup, sophisticated area, but just one stop on the JR Yamanote line from the divine madness that is Shibuya…

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 14, 2008 8:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

here

is an idea to think though. if we picked the people we needed like say 2 of them guess how much our cap room would be close to none. Yes we could of been so much better with some but at the moment before we got nellie most of those players would of not even put us in the playoffs with the way the team was assembled back in those days. The problem back than was GARY ST. JEAN who was the head man most of the years you guys are complaining about hes the one who made the big mess that Mullin had problems fixing. Gary put most of the money in players that didn’t deserve the money. We could not trade that much since nobody wanted them, Mullin didn’t help either putting a lot of the money into the only Center he could get and keep and panicked and put it all in Adonal Foyle. It didnt help that the players we had at those times were not good for a system most of our players were journeymen or leftovers from people with JRich, Murphy, Dunleavy and that was it for a while till BD came but under Montgomery he screwed everything up cause his system sucked cause he didn’t know what to do. So if you had these factors together who would you pick. our record for awhile and luck with lottery gave us bad pics. and we would not try to get superstars. We just had a big mess. IF WE JUST HAD A OWNER WHO DIDNT CARE ABOUT MONEY AND ONLY CARED ABOUT WINNING AND WAS SMART ABOUT IT!

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 14, 2008 1:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ugh...The Warriors could've had Patrick Ewing
Patrick Ewing was the draft treasure in 1985 and, in the old system he would have been an Pacer or Warrior, because Indiana and Golden State tied for the fewest wins that season. Instead, the NBA gave all seven non-playoff teams equal shots at the top selection

NBA lottery: Where math, cheating, hoops meet
Even math academics struggle over draft’s rules to prevent tanking
This is a good article, I would recommend it.

If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh

by StephenO4 on Nov 14, 2008 1:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

POB was just awful. At least we got something good out of Ike with Al and Jack. POB gave us nothing and was just an all-around bad player.

by bcchoi on Nov 14, 2008 3:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Warriors also could have forseen that Jordan was going to be awesome and that LeBron was going to be around

Then they totally could have tanked away those seasons, along with the season before Shaq came out, Tim Duncan. Imagine, Jordan, Shaq, and Duncan on the same team together! It’s all your fault Nellie for coaching the Warriors to all those wins in the 90s! Yours too St. Jean.

And another thing, I’m such an idiot for not betting it all on 24 at the roulette table! I can’t believe I’m such an awful gambler!

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 5:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

oh

lord that would have never happened nobody would have the money for it.

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 14, 2008 6:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Grading the Mullin Picks

Dunleavy = B-: He’s pretty good and we ended up with Jackson. If Yao was consensus #1, 7 other teams passed on Amare and Butler.
Pietrus = B: Probably a slightly better than average #11 pick- West, Barbosa, and Howard went way later- again a lot of teams passed on those guys- and taking a chance on someone with Pietrus’ athletic ability, not a bad call.
Biedrins= A: I’m not sure I would even take Jefferson over him at this point.
Diogu= D: not looking good especially with Bynum going right afterward. D not F bc apparently he was a key part of Jackson – Harrington deal which got us into playoffs
Ellis=A+: although Mullin admits he didn’t really know what he had.
POB=B-: I know people won’t agree but in that horrible draft with huge drop off after Gay at 8 why not take a chance on a raw seven footer. Hindsight is 20/20 but are you really crying bc you could have had Milsap or Lowry? Trust me, no GM would have taken Milsap (#57) at 9. Sometimes you take a chance and it doesn’t work but it was worth taking. Take a look at the players drafted after POB (Reddick, Carney etc) mostly a joke and why not draft for need at that point?
Koufos: D: Yeah, could have had Milsap, right?
Belinelli, Wright, Randolph: Mullin’s ultimate report card will depend on these guys but I have to say that in the post Baron scrambling to put together a team that can compete this year without mortgaging future Mully did pretty well and if not for Monta injury I think most of us would be pretty happy with what we had this year. The Azibuke match was great (3 years/9 mil is going to look like huge bargain.) Turiaf signing looks solid fills a definite need. Maggette will replace some of BD’s scoring and gives us good late game option although he has struggled lately. Marcus Williams has some skill and was a decent gamble considering lack of depth at PG.

by gsfool on Nov 14, 2008 12:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

corrections

sorry – obviously meant Perovich not Koufos and Milsap went 47 not 57

by gsfool on Nov 14, 2008 12:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

IKE

IKE was the worst pick BY FAR. You had the raw stud in bynam that though a project was worth the risk with sucha hight ceiling. Dubs picks beside AB and monte been pretty bad. Wright Randolph carry hope Italian stallion not so much

by GoldenWarrior988 on Nov 14, 2008 2:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I would agree with that. If the W's had picked Bynum, you don't draft POB

the next year – maybe you take Lowry instead. You could probably still get Jack by including someone else (Pietrus?), and still have a smokin’ young team…

Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Nov 17, 2008 11:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and how many people

are pissed they missed on Biedris or Pietrus?

Sure we can’t keep everyone we draft, has any team ever been able to? Its part of the business. What you didnt mention in that post was that was through 4 coaches. I could argue that it was 3 – 4 different styles. So when they come in they want to put their stamp on the team to move forward, which means less playtime for other players.

Although not popular here, Mike Dunleavy ( although soft ) is a very nice player. The Warriors kept trying to make him into something he just wasn’t, a superstar. He is a great #2 man. There is nothing he can’t do on the court, and yes defense is his weak point but I bet you if he wasn’t white he wouldn’t get half the flack he gets. I mean he had an all-star year last year in Indiana, if the Pacers were winning, but the entire team is like the new Jail Blazers, but they are cleaning it up.

TROY MURPHY is the one that should get clowned, but Dunleavy seems to take the heat everytime while this scrub gets away with his 3-point shooting and ZERO box out or offensive rebounds, or tough defense.
This guy is one of the biggest most overrated players ever. Everytime I see him I grab my Mitch Richmond jersey and just bite into really hard, because all I want to do is give him an ancient Chinese death of 1,000 papercuts. He put me through alot of angry nights and I want to make sure it goes slow. That prick.

So all in all, I’d say the Patrick O’Bryant pick was awful, but he did look 1,000 times better in college. He got to the NBA got a hold of some good taquerias here in the Bay Area, and was never the same.

by sjboy on Nov 18, 2008 8:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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