I still think this group of Warriors will be better than last, what do you guys think?
Yes we are 3-6, but we could easily be 6-3 as well (three of the six losses could have gone the other way easily if not for turnovers). And it is not like the opponents are outplaying us. Actually, the Dubs are doing just fine (considering Ellis is out, Magette nursing an injury (before the Pistons game) and Harrington nursing his ego). Even the loss to the Pistons could have easily been a win (momentum changed when Biedrins missed his dunk). The young guns are very talented, aggressive and are not afraid to show it. In my opinion, we should leave this roster alone and just build it. Give everyone who deserves the minutes to play to gain experience and confidence. Even Nellie is now realizing he has talented players, when was the last time we all saw him play rookies this early in the season? If done right (no reason why it cannot unless management gets in the way) with Mullin and Nellie’s coaching, this group of Dubs can be winners for a long time, and we are talking about the youngest team in the NBA... "Captain Jack and his young guns"...LOL! What do you guys think?
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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2 years more and we will be good.
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
by ejdacanay on Nov 14, 2008 12:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I 2
would like to see this team keep the pieces that we have and see how they pan out insted of throwing them away for even younger pontental or one decient vet that wont get us anywhere. We really have to take a page out of Portlands play book and build up a solid team.
by qin on Nov 14, 2008 7:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The dubs are doing fine...
but our young talent that still needs to be developed. Nellie almost pulled his hair out when watson stepped in bounds. What im worried about is jack getting burned out. He’s playing heavy minutes and we need monta to alleviate some of the scoring load on jack’s shoulders. Maggs needs to get to 100% too. Hammy’s are tricky injuries. Boookie is doing great…very pleased with him. Also I refuse to believe that a missed dunk by beans shifted the momentum so bad that we lost. We lost because of turnovers. Barkley et al. kept saying it was the missed dunk but thats BS. Barkley is a skank anyway.
by Butt Secks on Nov 14, 2008 12:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I refuse to believe that a missed dunk by beans shifted the momentum so bad that we lost. We lost because of turnovers.
We lost because we should have lost. The Pistons are an experienced playoff team with the recent addition of a hall of fame player. The difference between them and the T-wolves in the last few minutes of the game shows the value of experience. Minnesota should have won but their youth couldn’t close it out. The Pistons are where we might be in 2 or 3 years.
Till I get free
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 14, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If only we could be so lucky.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Player
Something new and great about the past few games is seeing nellie use the young guns.
Its a learning experience for the players and the coaches.
We are still missing Monta but we shouldn’t worry too much because its still early in the season.
All I want as a fan is for us to make the playoffs and to show nationally we are up there. Give us a few more weeks and Nellie and company will have the perfect line up and the team will have the perfect chemistry.
With all our new players and old it will take some time for them to adjust to there roles.
Just Hope Nellie can get the right lineup sooner than later.
Go warrirors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ImTonyFatty on Nov 14, 2008 12:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Morrow
Anthony morrow is doing real well.
It would be cool to see brandan Wright, Marco, morrow,Randolf, Nelson or watson be second string.
Just want to see how they adjust and how they mix together. Doesn’t seem to be a strong squad but anything is worth a try right.
If we’re going to lose, might as well try to see which line ups work with one another
by ImTonyFatty on Nov 14, 2008 12:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah morrow shooting those three's
With Randolf dinking rebounding and blocking and with Brandan picking up rebounds, blocking and put up high percentage dunks and layups.
We need to steer away from shooters having an off night and thinking we have chance to comeback with an off night. Bring in the young guns or the bench. Some fresh legs.
Some of the starters a great but I love the young guns to compete for a starting position with the way some of our sterts have been.
Beans is consistent everynight. HIgh percentage shots and being a team player.
One day he’s going to start calling for the ball and he may become a go to guy with his shots……
by ImTonyFatty on Nov 14, 2008 12:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Last year in the first seven games we played Utah twice, Dallas when they wanted revenge, Cleveland, and Detroit
This year, we played Memphis twice, Minny, an awful Sacramento team, Denver without AI or Billups, and New Jersey. Without the easiest schedule in the NBA so far this year, we’d be 0-fer. This years group is not better than last years group no matter how much you “We Believe!”
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 1:10 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
But what if you REALLY we believe?
Yeah, even knowing Ellis is out, the Warriors have not looked good to this outsider.
Since my team’s days of being young and bad are not that long ago (and could return, since that’s what young teams do), I can only suggest taking joy and pride in seeing the development of the youth and not worry so much about the winning. Really, ya want a great draft pick, so there is always a silver lining to losing as long as the youth are developing and getting better-er.
I got a dumb question: Who is your oldest player? You guys are like a month younger than my Blazers, but our average age includes Raef LaFrentz, and he’s just relaxing on his farm in Iowa, not even with the team. Take him out, and we’re the youngest. Are you guys sitting some old guy that makes you older than you really are?
The only thing I worry about with the Dubs is that Nelly ain’t exactly known for developing youth, and the front office is in a major (at least it seems major) power struggle. That does not bode well for a clear vision of what type of team they want to field, which will be reflected in future draft picks, free agent signings, and trades.
I wish the Warriors the best, and I love the fans. I think Blazer and Warrior fans are amongst the best in the world.
But ya just gotta enjoy the future, and not stress the now! I think you’re doing that, Dubs Fan in Boston, but I see a lack of that around the rest of GSOM.
It’ll make you much less happy with the season than you need to be.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 14, 2008 3:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All I seem to be doing recently is telling people that the youngin's aren't yet the best thing since sliced bread
Many posters here get their panties all wet because BWright has one 18/13 game. They also got all wet over PoB riding pine last year. Heck, even I got excited over Kosta Perovic’s NASTY 64.5 PER rating after playing 4 minutes, going 2/2 with 3 rebounds (or whatever it was). So many GSoMers seem to be on fast forward. They seem to be expecting these 19 year olds to all of a sudden be great.
As to our average age, our oldest player is Jackson (30), then Maggette (29), Al Harrington (28), Turiaf (25), the rest are all 24 and under. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/roster?team=gsw) You know what I just noticed? CJ Watson, Demarcus Nelson, Rob Kurz, Marcus Williams, Marco Belinelli, and Anthony Morrow are all older than Andris Biedrins! WTF, how is this guy so good? Kelenna Azubuike and Monta Ellis are older too, but they… you know… don’t suck and stuff.
Oh, and if you look at my diary from last week, you’ll see that only 60% of GSoM seems to understand that Nellie is playing the youngsters because he only has (had) 4 healthy veterans. I can’t “enjoy” as much because I don’t live in the Bay (though I might be moving back next year), and I’m not forking over $200 just to catch the few games I can (I gotta work, I can’t stay up till 2AM regularly watching games…).
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 4:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion is that not all of us who wanted to see the youngsters play
think that they are the next best thing.
But all that I personally wanted to see was that Nellie gives a chance to them when the others are playing terrible and are killing the game.
I think that is logical when something doesn’t work you try something else(what can you loose since you are allready loosing). Heck if our starters would blow away every team we play I would be the first one to play them untill they drop dead, but(unfortunately) they don’t.
by buky on Nov 14, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who, exactly was playing terrible and killing the game?
Was it phantom veteran X who was getting PT? Was it Maggette who was still scoring efficiently? Was it Al the whiner? Or was it Belinelli not boxing out? Demarcus Nelson for not having a jumpshot? Randolph for taking too many 20 footers? Who are these “starters” who are now not playing?
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you… haven’t been watching the games? That’s pretty relevant, don’t you think?
It’s not that Brandan Wright had an 18-13 game. It’s that he’s good. If you watch the games, we’re consistently successful when he’s in… he’s efficient on offense, and hugely disruptive on defense — even more than the numbers indicate. He meshes well with Biedrins, too. Brandan Wright is clearly becoming a genuinely good player… that’s obvious if you watch the games. I don’t believe in Marco or Morrow or Nelson or Williams, but I now believe in Brandan Wright, and that’s more than enough to get excited about.
It hasn’t been a good nine games, especially considering the easy schedule, but there are things that are genuinely working here. We have a young 4/5 combo that’s already good and getting better, plus a good backup in Turiaf… we have no end of productive swingmen. We have two big problems — horrible point guard play and too much Jack — but both problems will be addressed, at least to some degree, when Monta returns. And we still have the Al chip.
Your contention seems to be that logic should trump enthusiasm. I agree with that in principle, but in this case, logic should lead to enthusiasm… considering that we’re a young team, and missing possibly our most important player, the results have been heartening so far. I don’t think it’s all going to come together this year, but I’d be shocked if we didn’t make the playoffs in ‘09-’10.
by onlxn on Nov 14, 2008 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
On Dasher, on Prancer, on Donner, ONLXN!!!
I am in awe. Truly, the LeBron James of GSoM.
OBAMA AMABO
by Sleepy Freud on Nov 14, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He meshes well with Biedrins, too?
That’s not good. One big man out of the two needs to know how to shoot. Sheed is a big part of why the pistons win. Wright can shoot better than Dris but my dog can beat them both at horse.
Till I get free
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 14, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to split hairs..
Even without Jackson and LaFrentz, the Blazers are still older than the Warriors. The Blazers are also more experienced by a little over 1/4 of a year. 3/4 if you discount Jackson and LaFrentz. A full third of our roster is made up of rookies, three of whom went undrafted. The Warriors only have three players with more than five years of experience.
Given the coach’s reputation and the vast inexperience I expect to be frustrated by not watching the young guys getting a chance to play. See: Belinelli, Hendrix, Wright, Randolph. I don’t really care as much about the other young guys as they weren’t drafted and there isn’t much of an investment in them and/or they haven’t done anything. So I agree that the development of these guys may be in jeopardy, and things aren’t helped by the current front office situation.
by exl on Nov 14, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis
Well, after tonights game and all the other games… I REALLY want Monta to come back soon. His scoring, driving is going to bring our offense back to life. We’ll be able to run again, and I wont have to see Jack try to shoot us back into the game. Monta will be scoring 25 + pts a night
by q00pster on Nov 14, 2008 1:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
well
the reason Nellie is playing the youngins so much is because he realizes that this is not a team that can contend for anything this year. the focus this year is development and rebuilding. he stated before the season that what he really deserves is a veteran team that can contend and instead has to be a teacher this year.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Nov 14, 2008 1:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
did he
really say that? he deserves a veteran team? How about us fans that deserve a winning product, whether he has to teach, coach or dictate, i dont care. You’re the coach, so coach!!
"Maybe I need somebody that can save me from the parts of myself that keep making me crazy" -Slug-
by drizztismoneybaby on Nov 14, 2008 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right...
No matter who Nellie’s got, we expect him to win. He’s the coach!
Now, Nellie may have been out of line with that comment (if it was made, but there are no links), but he is coaching, but coaching a young team does not equate to winning very often. You can ask for the moon, but if you only get half way, the vacuum will make you asplode…
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no link but...
I remember him saying the first part of that quote but I’m not so sure about the “deserves is a veteran team that can contend” part. I think if he did say that we would have been discussing that long before now.
by qin on Nov 14, 2008 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
That’d be worse than Al requesting a trade: “Waaahhhh, give me Shaq & Kobe, wahhhhh”. But at the same time, expecting any coach to win with the players we’re currently stuck with is stupid. Red Auerbach couldn’t win with these guys, they suck. Maybe they’ll learn to not suck in the future, but right now they suck.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer an ass-kicking veteran team
Man, Don Nelson is a funny guy. Strained hamstring sidelines Warriors’ Maggette The “I’d prefer an ass-kicking veteran team” is near the bottom
If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh
by StephenO4 on Nov 14, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yup, that's the link
Here’s the exact quote:
"I’d prefer an ass-kicking veteran team. We’d have a chance to win the title. That’s what I deserve at 68, I think, but that’s not what we have here. We have a younger team that needs development, and that can be fun. I enjoy watching young kids get better.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Nov 14, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think you have to temper your expectations for this team. everyone wants their team to win. that’s a given. there are certain players on this team that are extremely raw and inexperienced, so you can’t set the bar too high for them yet. at the same time, a coach is by nature programmed to win, and the balance between trying to win the game and finding time to develop the youngins is tricky.
I pray i never have to use a gun again...
...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...
...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...
...But how often does that happen??
by ssmokinjoe on Nov 14, 2008 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he stated before the season that what he really deserves is a veteran team that can contend and instead has to be a teacher this year.
Why doesn’t he trade the kids for some players then?
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 14, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody wants them...
Except for Rowel, and he holds the keys.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he stated before the season that what he really deserves is a veteran team that can contend
nope
Don Nelson was asked earlier this week about playing time for young players.
He gave a clear, candid response:
"There’s always going to be somebody who’s not playing. It’s up to them to keep their minds open and be ready to go when I call on them. First of all, it’s up to those players to deserve their minutes. It’s not a gift. They have to deserve them.
Nellie: I’d prefer an ass-kicking veteran team
“There are a lot of situations [young/inexperienced players] can hurt you. And we understand that. A year ago, I knew exactly what I had. I had veterans come in who attended to business. This year, we’re different. We’re green and growing. We’ve got a lot of development to do here with our younger players. I would prefer a veteran team. I’d prefer an ass-kicking veteran team.”
build a team & destroy the roof and
Sign Tim Hudson now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Lat We N Trash on Nov 14, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Biedrins for MVP and All-star team, not slam dunk contest.
by Bloot on Nov 14, 2008 1:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Andris Not-so-much Dunk....
Had a huge effect on the game at that moment and in the space of 3 minutes we went from 12 points up to 4 points down, all Detroits points came after that missed Dunk.
However……give the young guys credit, we fought back and suddenly again in the final 5-6mins of the 4th we were back in the lead!
THEN…..and this is what I believe changed the game, we went back to the starting lineup that got hit hard earlier in the game once we had gone off the boil. We started well, but then it seemed the starting guys, Beans, Magette, Jax, CJ, Buike all seemed to lose their shot.
It was this shift away from the guys like Morrow, Turiaf and Wright that got us back into the game that cost us some of the win tonight.
Secondly, Stephen Jackson….. I love this guy, he is about as much heart as any Warrior fan could ever wish for but………… when he gets tired he makes some terrible plays, no correction god awful and downright ugly! Some of the stupid high school pass attempts and the continued terrible shot selection is killing us. When we are down by just a couple of points, then a nice steady drive, layup, short range jumper is a higher percentage shot than a risky 3! he has got to start playing higher % ball and Nellie has to rest him more.
Finally, Wallace hit us hard with a couple of truly superb 3’s which hurt us in the end.
But all of that said…….WE ALMOST BEATTHE PISTONS AND SHOULD HAVE!!!!!!!!! FAIR FRICKIN PLAY FELLAS!!!!!!!!! Great effort, they are definitely getting better with every game and I believe this team is really going to be in full motion when Monta returns and gives us the killer shooting potential we really need right now!
PS – Turiaf….you my friend are a legend! So much hype, enthusiasm and energy that is clearly rubbing off on teamates, I love to see this, in addition to the fact that you are a blocking machine!!!!!!!! Good work fella!
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 14, 2008 2:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
THIS TEAM MUST BE PREDICATED ON DEFENSE AND REBOUNDING!
That is what makes this team different. I love Morrow but we were playing zone defense so we really don’t know how he can handle man to man. This team actually has the players to be a good defensive team and a good rebounding (Jax, Wright, Beans, Randolph, D. Nelson). We can run during good opportunities but our offense should be more based on scoring from offensive rebounds and getting shooters in positions to score (our best shooters are probably Morrow, CJ, Belli, and Buke). Also, Wright can be a legit post threat with that half hook if we design plays to get him closer to the basket. Finally, I still like the pick and roll with Beans. This will be a good team but a different team with a different philosophy. Nellie gets it. Go DUBS!
by terryteagle on Nov 14, 2008 7:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I notice that your Defense team and the "shooters" are comprised of different people
I think this is the crux of the problem. We have few two way players. Though I would question Wright, Randolph, and Nelson’s abilities to be consistently good on defense. And that list of shooters is pretty damn terrible.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 7:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm inclined in agree with you
But I think players like Wright and Randolph can help off the ball with players that may get beat off the dribble or off screens. This is a team that I see as a group of jump shooters and offensive rebounders to put back misses. In years past we have had more pure play makers (Baron, currently Jax and Buke and Al, maybe Monte when he gets back) but currently we have players that are a bit more one dimensional (Maggs – either drives to takes a long jump shot, D. Nelson who takes it to the hole b/c he does not trust his jumper, and Belli/Morrow who seem to sole rely on their jumper). This team will need to get serious offensive boards to make up for a lower shooting percentage and try to block shots and get steals and score in transition. That is how passion and effort can make up for a skill set that is still improving (I think Wright could be lethal in the post and Randolph can be an incredible playmaker like Odom). This is not a great team now but has significant upside.
by terryteagle on Nov 14, 2008 9:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ummm...
Maggs – either drives to takes a long jump shot
That sounds pretty two dimensional to me. As JAE has pointed out, we’re #2 (or at least somewhere in the top 5) in the league in offensive rebound percentage, so they DO get offensive rebounds about as well as you can. They really need to try to box out and get defensive rebounds is what they need to do (we’re in the bottom five in defensive rebounds, go figure!). Wright & Randolph could also become completely different players. What they look like now won’t be what they look like when they grow up. I won’t even trot out my “In all probability, they’ll suck” routine, as I’m sure you’ve seen it many a time already.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
anthony morrow
In an article about anthony morrow they said stephen jackson calls him “lil steve”, is Morrow the eventually 2 guard once captain jack is gone in 2-3 years??
by FeartheBeard4 on Nov 14, 2008 9:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
On Maggs
I’m sorry but he is not a good and confident jump shooter right now. He is one dimensional in terms of driving to the hoop and drawing fouls. But as we saw last night, against better defenders he is not getting the foul calls and was unable to finish around the basket.
He is a “ball stopper”. Once the ball is in his hands, all you really do is get out of his way. This could work for a guy off the bench, but not a starter. I do not like him in end of the game situations because refs do not call those fouls.
by terryteagle on Nov 14, 2008 10:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind the guy is coming back from a hamstring injury...
Those are notoriously slow to come back from. He’s not going to be 100% for a while, and he won’t want to reaggravate it in the meantime. I’ll take a drive to the hole from Maggs at endgame any day. Sure the refs won’t call fouls as much, but the defenders will be far more wary of fouling. Would you rather have Maggs going up for a contested layup or Jax jacking up a 3? Or Beans at the line? Or Randolph shooting a 20 footer? Until Monta comes back, those seem to be our options. Unless we can somehow get Buke a corner 3, which really isn’t any better.
His jumper will come back. His career has been pretty long, he’s an established shooter, he’s in a slump.
"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0
by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 14, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blame it on Watson
He totally killed our run. We were already back on top. I think we were up by one when he had the turnover on the inbound play. OMG! Then what happened… Warriors killer Rasheed hit two 3’s.
by heybaybay on Nov 14, 2008 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't hate Maggs
I just don’t like his type of play in game ending situation. Honestly I think Kaz is the best combination of driving, shooting, and passing without being turnover prone. Maggs does not appear to have good court vision where he can really draw and kick.
Bottom line – he is a Warrior and therefore I am a fan.
by terryteagle on Nov 14, 2008 4:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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