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Marbury rehashed, with marbury talking buyout, warriors needing a REAL PG, should we?

So it is quite obvious we need a point guard, and doesn't look like there are many options out there, I know we have a quite divided bunch on this question so I thought we would see what a poll has to say, I think Starbury could be our answer for this year, it would certainly give us a quality Point Guard, Give him a chance to put up huge numbers and show he is really ready to turn over a new leaf and play again like an all star. what does GSOMers think?

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Should we try and get marbury for league minimum or close to it?
Hell yes and in Golden State he earns Starbury nickname
155 votes
Hell No, he is a cancer
59 votes
yes but hesitantly
121 votes
quit bringing up starbury
44 votes

379 votes | Poll has closed

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Marbury rehashed?

    Until he actually is bought out there’s little point in talking about it. I think Nelson is smart enough to go after Starbury if it becomes a possibility, even on a bad day he’s a lot better than any point guard we have now

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 14, 2008 10:26 AM PST reply actions  

I say next summer lets make a run at Jason Kidd.

offer him a portion of the MLE for 2 years. It might be the most money he sees. Who knows.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 14, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

JASON KIDD!

he made the MAVS really bad imagine with us!

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 14, 2008 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Looking at it realistically.

I think he’s the best, and could be cheapest option.

FA is pretty dry, unless you want Raymond Felton. Who will cost too much, and can’t shoot. Which Nellie hates.

Trades? What quality PG could we get for pennies?

Draft? There’s no clear Tier 1 PG out there. You can argue Rubio, but if he comes out in 09’ he’ll probably outside the Warriors draft slot. Probably.

I’m not sold at all on Brandon Jennings. Although i’m intrigued by Jrue Holiday, Tyreke Evans, Willie Warren, Kemba Walker, Nick Calathes, and Nando De Colo. Although the last two seem like late-2nd round draft choices. Warren and Walker have potential, but they’re not clear cut one-and-done looking prospects. Evans and Holiday are almost assured to be gone after this year. I like Evans’ size as a combo guard. I’m hoping he could adjust to the NBA game like Rodney Stuckey.

All in all, as a 1-2 year stop gap, i don’t see Kidd as a bad option at all. IF he signs for the MLE or lower at only 2 guaranteed years.

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by kenntoe on Nov 14, 2008 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Raymond Felton cant shoot……so Jason Kidd? hmmm

Actually I do kinda agree with you though, I’d like to see JKidd come back and end his career here and he does fit ok as a veteran presence and a big pass-first guard to play next to Monta. However, I’m big on Jrue Holiday and I actually think Stephen Curry could be a pretty decent PG and if he gets a little bigger could be a nice fit as well. Also I’m not convinced from what I’ve seen so far from the Warriors that Rubio is going to be outside our draft slot. I’d like to see Kidd + a young PG from the draft and an attempt to deal Maggette and Harrington for a 3/4 type who can ease the transition to Randolph and Wright.
Kidd/Holiday
Monta/Buike
Jack/Randolph
Wright/(product of Maggette/Harrington trade)
Biedrins/Turiaf
Thats a team worth watching

by sam23 on Nov 15, 2008 12:54 AM PST up reply actions  

actually

If the Mavs continue to struggle how about trying to deal Maggette, Al, and Marcus Williams for JKidd? I dont know if the Mavs would want to take on that much long term money, but it would free them up to make another deal involving Josh Howard, give them a young PG (maybe somebody still thinks Williams can still become a player) and a versatile forward who comes off the books at the same time as Dirk. We free up a ton of cash and maybe work out an extension with Kidd to come back for much less money.

by sam23 on Nov 15, 2008 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

/Skeptic’s wet dream/ XD?

  Naw, I like Bukaki, he’s a good player for the price. I would trade the rest of them for Iverson and Sheed though.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 14, 2008 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

i would make a run at him

i would make any move that could bring in a player that will take the ball out of jax hands.

be the change you wish to see in the world.

by Rach on Nov 14, 2008 10:27 AM PST reply actions  

If he's available

I say do it. As long as it’s for cheap and for one year only. Keep him on a short leash. If he plays like he’s capable of then keep him. If he’s the same ol team killer then let him go. It’s worth the risk.

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by JonDoe on Nov 14, 2008 10:38 AM PST reply actions  

watson, williams, nelson are incredibly ..

pathetic …

don’t get me wrong, I appreciate their effort and sporadic moments of efficiency… but theirs just way too little impact even id you combine the 3. Jax isn’t going to last very long a this freight rate.

Marbury for a year would be legitimate risk giving that we are going nowhere… problem is, with Maggette on the floor they will really slow down the flow….ballhawks… if there is one coach though that can make this work it;s Nellie ….. Baron probably misses the role he had here… and we simply need playmakers, Jax and Biedrins will be that much more effective with a little less attention… I say do it, and go back to a fun style of play…

beware of the 8

by nico26warriors on Nov 14, 2008 10:53 AM PST reply actions  

in their defense

Watson hasnt been all that bad….he’s prone to bonehead errors, but also has shown flashes of brilliance and been pretty ok overall IMO. Nelson is a limited player but at least brought solid D to the table. As a 5th guard type I dont mind him. Williams…..what a waste

by sam23 on Nov 15, 2008 12:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Jack

Is close friends with Marbury, right? Me, I’d give him the benefit of the doubt. If he’s released, make it happen dubs! We need a veteran PG to help train the newbies!

by ryogahibiki on Nov 14, 2008 11:01 AM PST reply actions  

I can't believe I'm saying this...

but if the buyout goes through as it looks like it will I’d probably offer him the minimum. Not much to lose at this point. If by some miracle he can somewhat resurrect his career and become at least somewhat effective that would probably be an upgrade.

No offense to the guys we have at the point right now but CJ is our most effective PG and he can barely move his shooting arm in that monstrosity of a brace he has to wear. It would be a very Webber-ish type gamble that probably wouldn’t work out but I don’t think he could really hurt us that much. If it doesn’t work out just cut him.

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by olympicmike on Nov 14, 2008 12:09 PM PST reply actions  

I’m with you. I cant stand Marbury and the thought makes me dry heave a little, but we do need a PG THAT badly. However, I’d probably be happier in the long run letting CJ play and being terrible and trying to improve our chances of landing a Rubio or Holiday in the draft. JKidd on a cheap 1-2 yr deal to ease the transition to one of those young guys sounds great to me. I hate to admit it but I’m not nearly as opposed to the idea of Marbury in a W’s uni as I was a month or two ago.

by sam23 on Nov 15, 2008 1:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Although I dont like his ego and ways, it wouldnt hurt to explore his skills. If we can bring BD back to his old self, why not Marbury? I’d say just him a one year chance at veteran’s minimum.

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by F120man on Nov 14, 2008 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

unpopular

I know this will be very unpopular but we should trade Harrington Jackson Hendrix for Marbury and a 1st rounder. We have a log jam at the 2-3 spot I would rather send Mags than Jack but knicks dont want salary. We get to Test drive Marbury and clear hella cap room for the future. It’s not like we’re contending anytime soon anyways.

by GSW93toInfinity on Nov 14, 2008 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

unpopular...

I see your point, but why would the Knicks go for this deal?

by onetwocross on Nov 14, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

ummm...

why wouldnt the Knicks go for that deal. They dump a huge cancer and get two solid players in return. Neither Jax or Al have long term contracts right now, they could probably still get in on the LeBron chase. From our standpoint theres no way I’d do it. I can see what youre saying, but we could get an actual prospect or two rather than just cap room if we dealt Jack to a contender. Who knows we may end up getting something decent from Al too.

by sam23 on Nov 15, 2008 1:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see much reason not to go for him if he’s bought out. This isn’t like taking on an iffy guy with a big long contract… this would be taking on an iffy guy with no strings attached. If he’s as carcinogenic as feared, then they can just cut him… nothing lost. If he has his head on straight, he’ll help.

I’d also think that the bean-counters in the front office would be for this move. Marbury’s a notable figure and still an entertaining player, if not a great one… he’d be a league-minimum add that might actually lead to a few extra ticket sales. Seems like a worthwhile gamble, for sure.

by onlxn on Nov 14, 2008 12:47 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

i agree

If they sign him now for a league minimum, they’ll have a about 2 months to see if he can jive with Nellie’s system. If he doesn’t then hopefully Monta will be back to begin the big Monta at PG experiment and they can cut Marbury like last year’s Chris Webber.

by candlestickkid on Nov 14, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

as much as i hate losing, Marbury only delays the rebuilding process...

Nellie’s just gonna go Marbury, KAz, Jax, Maggette, Andris for 40 minutes apiece and try to win as much as possible.

anyway, odds are he’s headed to Miami if he gets bought out.

by the evil monkey on Nov 14, 2008 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

Miami?

naw, the Spurs more likely.

by sam23 on Nov 15, 2008 1:06 AM PST up reply actions  

lets

see….

i think the most likely possiblity is he goes to the spurs or the heat. No FA wants to sign with us.

by saintdee on Nov 14, 2008 1:27 PM PST reply actions  

I read somewhere

That if the Knicks buy him out there is a no going to an eastern conference clause in his contract. I think it was on Real GM or something

by highflya on Nov 14, 2008 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Contract

Only reason i see to bring in starbury is to clear cap and try to make a splash in 2010. He has a HUGE contract that expires this year but i just dont see why we would want him other than that. We have the youngest team in the league and he’s the worst example a young player can have.

by GoldenWarrior988 on Nov 14, 2008 2:06 PM PST reply actions  

he’s the worst example a young player can have?

  trying to provide cheap shoes for the kids sounds like a pretty good example to set?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 14, 2008 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

If he gets bought out by Knicks...

doesn’t he become a free agent and the Warriors can offer him a minimum salary and not give up any pieces, or something like that? If that is the case, I don’t see what harm it could do. Does Starbury like to run and create on the fly? Does he like to make the last shot in a close game? Nelson’s untouchable so I’m sure he would bench him in a second if he didn’t like his performance. It could turn out to be a new mini-BD.

by candlestickkid on Nov 14, 2008 2:35 PM PST reply actions  

That's right...

If he gets bought out he will be a FA. At that point we will probably see some number of teams extending him minimum offers and maybe if he’s lucky someone might offer more. If he wants to come here and play with Jackson, or likes the idea of playing in an uptempo Nellie-ball offense he might consider signing with us. It’s hard to say exactly what kind of competition there will be for his services but I’m guessing a few teams will offer the minimum.

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by olympicmike on Nov 14, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

GS is where he can put up serious numbers, and prove to everyone he shouldn't have been benched

Golden State is the only place with the freedom to inflate your stats with the uptempo pace we play and freedom that Nellie gives these guys, look how Baron is squawking now, other teams DO NOT allow what we allow, the only other option is Miami but but with maid Marion, Dwade and Beasley he should come here and inflate the stats…. securing our 6th seed

by warriorbum on Nov 14, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

actually one team that does allow the same sort of style is NY

by sam23 on Nov 15, 2008 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Hell Yes! and He's a cancer, but who cares.

dude can play

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by Kobe on Nov 14, 2008 3:04 PM PST reply actions  

I

love Marbury. I predict an average of 18 pts., 8 ast. for the Warriors and a playoff run.

by SPREEE4THREEE on Nov 14, 2008 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

Do it

Our pg play is pathetic. I move the ball around better playing outdoor pickup games, we need a pg who can get our guys in the right spots and make a few plays now and then. There is nothing that can be hurt by going after Starbury, its not like Nelson or Watson is a lottery pick we are trying to develop into our future pg, and Williams seems to have talent but can’t put it all together.

by Pearlsofwisdom on Nov 14, 2008 3:34 PM PST reply actions  

I think im seeing something here!

Marbury is talking about settling his contract!
Harrington wants O-U-T!
Knicks want him bad!

So since harrington is supposed to be out another week and Marbury according to rumor is supposed to be let go in a week. Do you think the warriors might have made a under the table deal with the knicks! Meaning they get harrington for something small and marbury has agreed to go to the warriors a western conference team?

by squadmog on Nov 14, 2008 6:00 PM PST reply actions  

umm

how would the contract work?

by saintdee on Nov 14, 2008 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

we need someone

Yeah, lets bring him in. He’ll bring some excitement to a rather boring, uninspired team. Just look at A.I. in Detroit. He may be a whole lot better that Marbury, but we need a guy other than Jackson with some confidence and swagger. Jackson can’t do it all by himself.

by tig8 on Nov 14, 2008 6:42 PM PST reply actions  

with

nelson being sent to d league…i wonder if that means the warriors are trying to clear up a roster slot for starbury….after all jackson did want him in the beginning of the season…

by gorillas on Nov 14, 2008 6:57 PM PST reply actions  

WE SHOULD DO THIS.

Look trading TMNT and Cap N Jack for Marbury and a pick is a good move for us. We would rent a score first pg to run an uptempo system that he would play well in. Nellie is good with knuckle head players with talent who fit in his sysytem. We could play him Monta when he get back in Dec. That way we don’t have to rush him back. And we could get cap space and a high draft pick this summer. I like Jack, but not for a 3 year extention. Maggs can give us Jacks scoring. AR-15 and Wright would get Jacks and Al court time. Nellie will have a team that is young, rebuilding, and trying to win games. I hear Step is in shape and ready to play, the type of freedom Nellie gives players is just what Step needs. Givin up Jack might seem hard, but IF we are trying to win games we should try to find a cheap, low risk, high reward type of move, because face it we need a pg! This is the best way to improve are team now and set us up nicely for this summer also. I have been telling people at my job for weeks we should make this trade!

by Prettyugly on Nov 14, 2008 7:04 PM PST reply actions  

Givin up Jack ?

    You don’t give up your best player and expect to win. The point of bringing Starbury here would be to play him with Jax. Put starbury with rookies and he’d probably confuse them, dude is not a teacher, he’s a baller.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 14, 2008 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

at

this point ill get anybody since what we got ain’t working anyways

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 14, 2008 7:13 PM PST reply actions  

Trade players early...

Better to trade Jack then extend him. You have to know that. I"m down to keep Jack at his current rate. But we just signed Maggs no need to put more money in small forward. AB can play the 3, so can AR. Better to trade Jack a year to soon then a year to late. And with the young guns on our roster we can afford to lose Jack. This anit the same player from 2 seasons ago. People stop over-rating Jackson. He not an All-star. Now Marbury on the other hand is. Any time you get the best player in a trade you win.

by Prettyugly on Nov 14, 2008 7:43 PM PST reply actions  

dude seriously?

Take the blinders off. If this team didnt have jack we would be 0-8. Maggette doesnt have the same “presence” and intangibles jack has. . Marbury is a good player, he isnt an all star by any means. Quit playing video games they are seriously clouding your judgement.

by highflya on Nov 14, 2008 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not in favor of extending Jack either, but trading him for Marbury is not a good deal. The Maggette signing is looking worse and worse. When can we trade HIM?

by sam23 on Nov 15, 2008 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd take a chance on marbury..

Everyone thought the same about Baron and Jackson before they got here.. that they were straight up cancers to any team/coach that they would play for… and I really feel that Don Nelson brings out the best outta “knucklehead” players..

..so with that.. i say.. BRING ON STARBURY.. sorry Al.. you were my man up until you started complaining.. well at least the #3 will be open if/when Marbury gets here…

by NIKKOFRANCHISE on Nov 14, 2008 8:57 PM PST reply actions  

and maybe..

he can pull double duty and work at the Steve & Berry’s (is that thing still open?) @ Fisherman’s Wharf and push his freggin $14.98 Starburys.

.. I still wouldn’t buy them though.

by NIKKOFRANCHISE on Nov 14, 2008 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

yuck.

I want no part of marbury. I know we don’t have ANY PG’s on this team, but…I still don’t want him on this team.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 14, 2008 9:04 PM PST reply actions  

don't forget

Jackson was once considered a cancer to the Pacers. A change of scenery and teammates can do wonders to turn around a good player. And don’t fool yourselves… Marbury is a good player.

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...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 14, 2008 9:10 PM PST reply actions  

Marbury is a good player

but He hasn’t played games yet. Plus chances are he won’t pass to our youngsters

I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck

by chili01 on Nov 14, 2008 9:26 PM PST reply actions  

He hasn't played games yet.

He’s been in the league since ‘96. He’s played a bunch of games. He had high assist averages in Minnesota, NJ, and PHX. His numbers dropped in NY and “chances are” that it was a team chemistry thing.

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...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 14, 2008 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

I would take him if i'm Chris Mullin.

I’m not scared of him. I’d rather see him on the Celtics though, that would be perfect for Marbury. Him winning a championship would make him a little respectable. “Stephon Marbury, the Boston Celtic”. That sounds f*ckin awesome.

by Five Ten Entertainment on Nov 14, 2008 10:10 PM PST reply actions  

do it

ok, so he’s a head case, all that means is he’ll fit right in our cast of characters. He’s still a good shot and he’s in good shape. Plus, you know he’s going to have a major incentive to produce big time to rub it in the Nicks and D’Antoni’s faces. Monta is going to need to be integrated back in over time – it’s not the same team that he played with last season – and we don’t know if he’s going to be 100%. Plus, with Starbury on the roster, I bet the Oracle would start selling out again. People love to embrace those shunned bad boys.

by centerre on Nov 15, 2008 1:23 AM PST reply actions  

at this point

even a 50 yr old gary payton looks good

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Nov 15, 2008 3:30 AM PST reply actions  

Enough

Anyone who has payed even just a minute amount of attention to this Warrior incarnation knows that The Starbury Risk/Reward is basically a moot point. We let our point guard walk last season because our ownership did not find his financial burden and long term situations including age and injuries as a good fit for our future. We are putting a product out on that court featuring the WORST point play in my recent memory.

Enough of these “trade machine” situations, cancerous allegations against Starbury and incessant whining over the Baron situation. Get over it. Now is now and as Herm Edwards said a couple of years ago “We play the game to win!” That’s what are team is out there to do, and especially with our offense missing it’s laid-up spark why on gods green Earth would we not make a move on Marbury. He’s still capable of 20+ points a night and any where from 6-8 assists a game at only a 4/5 of a season commitment! Are there certain individuals on this site too close to the forest to see the trees? Monta and Starbury in the same backcourt? Monta being the slash and Marbury being the tank he was before Isiah attempted to destroy the entire legacy of the Knicks? Life is a series of taking chances and I’m not banking on jockeying for draft position perentially! As we were constitued with Baron at point we still would have NEVER WON A CHAMPIONSHIP!

But we sure were fun to watch were’nt we, with a super athletic veteran point guard who balked at no challenge. I loved every minute of the last two years, even with the underlying notion pervading through me that I’ll probably never see a Warrior championship in my lifetime. Baron was a bigger risk at he time but times have changed. I’m putting my money on Jackson’s boy Starbury, because even in Jax case and many others that have come and gone in the bay, a turnaround is one trade to Golden State away.

by SinceRunTMC760 on Nov 15, 2008 9:45 AM PST reply actions  

a turnaround is one trade to Golden State away.

   Good points. Now, does Jax have enough pull with the owner to make it happen?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 15, 2008 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

If not

he could just fire a gun in the air in order to scare them into to doing it.

by SinceRunTMC760 on Nov 15, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

NIce rant

Unfortunately, you give no evidence whatsoever that Stephon Marbury doesn’t suck.

Here’s some that he does:

• Turns 32 in February, and is coming six straight seasons of declining production (by PER 17.0, 15.3, 14.4, 12.7, 12.5, 11.9; PER of 15 is generally considered "average").
• In 06/07 and 07/08, the Knicks, execrable as they are, were better with him off the court than on.
• Has always sucked at rebounding his position.
• Has dropped off alarmingly as a distributor: 8.0, 6.3, 5.3, 5.1 ast/36 his last four seasons.
• Hasn’t cracked 42% FG since 05/06.
• Forces only 0.9 steals per 36, almost unheard of for a PG, bespeaking a near-total lack of interest in defense.
• Couldn’t make it off the bench on one of the worst teams in the NBA, even though showcasing him would have helped their efforts to dump him.

Basically at this stage of his career “Starbury” is much closer to Troy Hudson than he is to Baron Davis. (And BD is no great shakes right now, either).

I’m half-OK with picking him up as a buy-low type-deal … I mean, he should be dirt cheap and may be marginally better than CJ Watson. I suspect he would improve slightly on the Ws, under Nellie (and really, he can’t get much worse). But let’s not act like he’s a freaking savior. Save your bullets, Captain Jack.

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 15, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I also

Explained the fact that he gives us a better chance to win now. Marbury have NEVER been a savior but throwing him on the court is worth the small risk for the year.

by SinceRunTMC760 on Nov 15, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I TRUST CJ WATSON

Let CJ get a little more time starting, a little more experience, and let Nelson light a fire under his ass, and he’ll be a decent point guard to have in the mean time. I mean, it’s not like we’re going to make the playoffs.. let’s all be realistic here, we’re not.. we’re simply not. So let Watson develop along side Belinelli, who should be more aggressive (agression in Denver game was nice) and in a few yrs, we’ll be ok at every position. Thank God we have Andris and Jack or we’d seriously go 2-80 record this season!

screw cohan, screw mullin, screw baron

by DMJR on Nov 15, 2008 10:29 AM PST reply actions  

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