Game #10: Warriors @ Clippers – A lose lose situation
by YaoButtaMing
on Nov 15, 2008 12:27 AM PST
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Golden State @ Los Angeles Clippers
I'm going to put aside my anger ... and remember the good old days!
Warriors (W-L): 3-6
Clippers (W-L): 1-7
Time: 12:30 PM PST
TV: CSN
Radio: KNBR 680
When I heard in the offseason that Baron bolted for the Clippers, I wanted to hate him. I wanted nothing more than for Baron and Clippers to have the worst season possible. No matter how much he saved our franchise, I still had so much anger pent up that I couldn't muster any happiness for him to receive such a lucrative contract.
However, 9 games into the season I now look at our Warriors and the Clippers and I can't help but realize how all of this was just such a lose lose situation for everyone. The Clippers are the worst team in the NBA and though I thought I would be glad Baron is going through this, I'm really sad. Plus, our Warriors are in the "rebuilding" stage so in the end no one really wins. However, I'm not going to feel sorry for anyone who gets paid millions to play a damn game.
Today's matchup is big on drama and pride. Baron hosts the team who made him famous and wants to prove them wrong for not giving him the contract he wanted. The Warriors want to win to prove we don't really need Baron. Maggette wants to come off the injured list and show the Clippers they lost out on the swap. In the end no matter the outcome, it's not going to prove anything other than the highlight reels and that distant phrase we used to say ... "we believe".
YaoButta's Predictions
- Warriors win by 7.
- Maggette and Jackson have a big game. 20 plus points each.
- Baron Scores over 25 but shoots a low % by jacking up a lot of shots.
- Harrington gets traded for the Clipper Girls (God I hope so!)
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was just about to say that! #1 killed me the most.
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:55 AM PST
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Man can't wait til Monta recovers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG_jjK65QyE
If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh
by StephenO4 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:45 AM PST
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Damn
this video got me all excited, can’t wait til he comes back!
by semarubaka on
Nov 15, 2008 10:23 AM PST
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Nets game winner was awesome but, i dont think Barbosa ever recovered from ‘Ellis to the Rim’.
Ellis to the rim.
by warriorsscore110 on
Nov 15, 2008 10:31 AM PST
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After watching this video
I really hope Baron gets a triple double tomorrow and that the Clips kick us in the ass!
F**K REFS
by faetati on
Nov 15, 2008 12:48 AM PST
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ugh
all these dam memories are just getting me depressed!
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:59 AM PST
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WAIT FOR IT......
……“OMG! THAT’S THE PAST! BOOHOO GET OVER IT! WE’RE A NEW TEAM NOW! OMG STOP CRYING AND GET OVER THE PLAYERS LEAVING!!!!”
lol. But yeah, the Warriors were RUTHLESS on offense. All they needed was a dominant inside presence. I miss having the national spotlight on us, when the Warriors were one of the LAST EIGHT teams remaining in the NBA in 2007. I miss all those CELEBRITY FANS that would come to the games to watch the entertaining fast paced high octane offense. I guess Warriors fans can only have one playoff berth every 3-12 years. I guess i’m fine with that, rebuilding all the time.
I’ll still never forgive Tracy McGrady for allowing his Rockets to lose to the Jazz. It was Game 7, AND it was in T-Mac’s home court. The Warriors would have had a real good chance against the Rockets in the 2nd round instead of the Jazz. Yao is just way too slow compared to the athletic Carlos Boozer. And the Rockets barely had any depth that year, and the only other good big man on their team was Dikembe. Baron would have overpowered Rafer Alston. Basically we would have just had to worry about T-Mac and Head.
But yeah, lets get over it. lol. Because, we’re rebuilding again.
by Five Ten Entertainment on
Nov 15, 2008 1:11 AM PST
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You remember that season?
The Warriors seemed to suck, everyone was hurt….
Dajuan Wagner wasn’t healthy enough to play. Ike Diogu was out for a month. Pietrus and Murphy both had broken noses. Dunleavy had a sprained ankle. Jason Richardson was out for 2 months because of a freak hand injury.
To make things worse, all the injuries to the team put to much pressure on Baron to play hard, and he ended up getting injured himself. He had to get knee surgery in the middle of the season and we didn’t really know when he’d come back. We thought our season was over. Another year added to our playoff drought.
On the bright side, Monta and Biedrins were making a name for themselves in the league. And out of no where, Chris Mullin makes the big trade with Indiana. The Warriors roster changed dramatically.
Jason Richardson comes back, and then Baron comes back ASAP after his knee surgery. The Warriors finally have a healthy team to work with. When Baron came back, the Warriors were about 7-9 games below .500 and only had 21 games left to go in the season. To make things worse, the Warriors had the toughest remaining schedule in the league. Don Nelson held a team meeting to try to get everyone’s heads together. The result: the Warriors go to Detroit and blow the Pistons out by over 30 points.
Next thing you know, the Warriors go on an incredible 16-5 run to make the playoffs. Barely anyone expected the Warriors to do anything in the postseason. Sure, the Warriors always do good against the Mavericks, but that’s just regular season. “The Playoffs is a whole different ball game, buddy”.
I remember being on realgm.com and all these fans from other teams were laughing at Warriors fans for thinking that they can beat the Mavericks. I had to make this video to get everyone pumped up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-CDRV4IR7w
At the time, it had a lot of views (it was on my old account that got deleted) and there were hella ppl on the comments section showing how pumped up they are.
and then blah blah blah, I just realized that i’m getting too reminiscent right now. LOL. ight ima just stop typing right now.
but yeah, Warriors surprised everyone. No one really knew about their 16-5 run. They just thought that the Warriors made it in regularly. Then you see the Warriors in game one making all these crazy three pointers and all these crazy shots and fastbreaks. They kinda shocked the league with that win, but it would only get crazier later on in the series. Baron had like 30+ points, 15+ assists and 8 rebounds in Game 1. He was the best player in the playoffs..
then blah blah ight ima stop typing now. getting too nostalgic.
by Five Ten Entertainment on
Nov 15, 2008 1:26 AM PST
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aww and Matt Barnes
When he played for the 76ers, his coach Maurice Cheeks criticized him when he saw Matt practicing three pointers in practice. He told Matt that his game belongs in the paint and that he’s not a shooter. Matt only hit about 19 three pointers in his whole career before Golden State.
Barnes had no success. He was thinking about GIVING UP on basketball and wanted to join the NFL since he got invited to some training camps. He got that “Believe” tattoo to symbolize how he knows he can do better. He was playing in a gym, and fortunately for him Nellie was there. Nellie thought that Barnes might be a good addition to the team, and Matt ends up being the last player to make the Warriors roster.
And then you know the rest…
Matt Barnes thrives in the offense. In a game against his former team, the 76ers, Barnes proves his old coach wrong. Barnes remembered how Cheeks didn’t want him shooting three’s. Matt ended up making SEVEN three pointers against the 76ers in that game. After he made his 7th three, he looked towards the 76ers bench and grinned at his old coach.
He ended up being a KEY player for the Warriors, the first time he’s ever had an important role on a team. He only made 19 three’s in his career before GSW, but then he hit over 100 three’s in one season with Golden State, including big shots in the playoffs.
and then blah blah blah i’m being too nostalgic again. time for me to move on.
by Five Ten Entertainment on
Nov 15, 2008 1:33 AM PST
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Oh yeah don't forget about Paul Wong
The asian guy that we all started seeing on TV during the Warriors 16-5 run. He helped give us fans hope, and once we made the playoffs the whole slogan just took off.
Here’s his story:
http://www.alamedamagazine.com/media/Alameda-Magazine/November-2007/People/
by Five Ten Entertainment on
Nov 15, 2008 1:36 AM PST
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Afternoon game? Awwwww...
But yeah, another random thing to mention. I remember when Baron verbally agreed to sign with the Clippers, all of their fans were so happy. They all thought that Baron would join Brand to form a dynamic duo that would contend for a championship.
Clippers fans were on top of the world for about a week till Elton left, lol.
by Five Ten Entertainment on
Nov 15, 2008 1:15 AM PST
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"The Clippers are the worst team in the NBA..."
I think Oklahoma City has the Clips beat for the worst team in the NBA award.
Great video – I’ll always remember that #10 shot he made at the buzzer. awesome
by centerre on
Nov 15, 2008 1:36 AM PST
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this
would be the worst loss of the season….until we lose 3 more times to the clips.
warriors dont fish they hunt!
by VonteegoCummings on
Nov 15, 2008 3:21 AM PST
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"Baron Scores over 25 but shoots a low % by jacking up a lot of shots."
And then coach Dunleavy benches Baron for improvising too much.
by IQofaWarrior on
Nov 15, 2008 4:12 AM PST
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not
to make things sound bad but according to nba live using 365 we are going to get smoked by the clippers by 30 :’(
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 5:23 AM PST
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yeah
i know but i got it at such a good deal cause I have a connection with someone who works at EA that i could not refuse the deal, And im a die hard 2k fan too
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:31 PM PST
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are you serious?
That’s not really realistic for a game that advertises itself as a basketball simulation game. Sure, we might lose by 30+, but we’re not THAT bad. Not even the Pistons blew us out, and they just beat the Lakers last night too.
BTW, the Lakers are crazy right now. They lead the league in HELLA catagories. Number 1 in points per game, number 1 in opponent points per game. Usually when a team is one of the top scoring teams in the league, they’re opponents score a lot too. And when a team is a good defensive team but doesn’t score much, then they’re opponents don’t score much either. But with the Lakers, they’re number 1 in scoring and they beat they’re opponents by an average of 18 points a game.
So random, that’s why I love ESPN over TNT. I like TNT’s halftime shows better, but ESPN is MUCH BETTER when you’re watching the game. It has a more “sportsy” vibe to it, and they always bring up tons of stats during the game.
by Five Ten Entertainment on
Nov 15, 2008 10:27 AM PST
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guys
these comments were depressing to read :( I still love that season you had. and monta jrich and baron remain in the group of my favourite players. heck, I wish we still ran too… anyway run run run. peace
Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr
by Murcy on
Nov 15, 2008 7:06 AM PST
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i don't have anything important to say...
other than i live in san diego, and am about to leave for LA to go to the game!!!!!!!
i’ll root extra hard for GSoM!!!!!!!!
by Run Dubz on
Nov 15, 2008 7:42 AM PST
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Great Video,
I was looking forward to that circus 3 pointer where he was also looking for the foul from Nowitski in the playoffs.
And the game winner against Houston.
Ellis to the rim.
by warriorsscore110 on
Nov 15, 2008 10:11 AM PST
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Maybe neither
Baron plays in a different system now and can’t really chuck.
Jackson can’t afford to chuck three’s because the Warriors are missing a lot of their scorers, and that Jackson has to focus on doing other things to score. I’d rather have Morrow chuck three’s than Jack.
by Five Ten Entertainment on
Nov 15, 2008 10:19 AM PST
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Jack will
Ellis to the rim.
by warriorsscore110 on
Nov 15, 2008 10:31 AM PST
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Baron Davis scores 30...oh wait, my bad. Scratch that one.
IT WORKS THIS TIME!
We still believe!!
by R Dizzle on
Nov 15, 2008 10:39 AM PST
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I won't have the luxury of watching the game live
I have to wait for my girl to get off at work, then watch it on DVR together. :-(
by Golden Boy on
Nov 15, 2008 10:53 AM PST
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with ellis and baron out
I almost forgot about all of the ridiculous finishing around the rim by baron/monta specifically. great vid.
by acmastrpiece on
Nov 15, 2008 10:55 AM PST
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GO BOOM DIZZLE!
I hope you blow up the spot tonight and stick it to all those haters in the Warriors mismanagement, the Warriors post-We Believe bandwagon, and in the local media.
Much respect Baron Davis.
by Atma Brother ONE on
Nov 15, 2008 11:10 AM PST
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I just hope he has a personal good game
But I don’t want to lose. Every win is crucial for our team.
by Golden Boy on
Nov 15, 2008 11:11 AM PST
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Same here.
I want him to have a good game but I still want the Warriors to win.
by Five Ten Entertainment on
Nov 15, 2008 12:17 PM PST
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Don't ever forget
It ain’t about laundry, it’s about good people.
BD did a tremendous amount of positive work for the local community. Before folks diss the good man with cheap irrational shots, pause for a second and marinate on that.
Hoops-wise along with Nellie, J-Rich, Jack, Al, MP2, and Barnes, Baron put this sorry hoops franchise back on the basketball map. If it’s easy for you to forget that, well you probably weren’t around for the 12 years of suck.
by Atma Brother ONE on
Nov 15, 2008 11:16 AM PST
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He also put us on the bottom.
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
by ejdacanay on
Nov 15, 2008 11:21 AM PST
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Correction: Was a Factor
He was telling everyone; media (KNBR, newspapers), friends, teammates that he will stay. He ended up not doing so. Was it Rowell’s fault? Could be, but they offered him a contract nonetheless. If his intentions were said before the draft or before we wasted our Trade Exception instead of minutes or hours before Free Agency then we would’ve been better off.
Most Warrior fans keep thinking he was the key factor in our resurrection when in reality it was a bigger collected effort (And yes I know you stated others). He was here 1 1/2 seasons before we became “good” again.
And on a side note, Derek Fisher one of my personal faves, in my opinion he did alot more than BD did in the community in a shorter stint and no one cares lol. In fact, a good amount of Warrior fans hate him.
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
by ejdacanay on
Nov 15, 2008 11:30 AM PST
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I'm one of them.
I can’t stand Fisher and the Fakers. I’m just now starting to cheer Turiaf. I thought Turiaf would be Fisher all over again. Garbage with us, than go back to the Fakers and be productive for them.
by Golden Boy on
Nov 15, 2008 11:46 AM PST
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There ya go lol.
He was not garbage when he was here, he provided much needed leadership and was a starter at PG for us. He is one of the class acts of the NBA, but sadly he is/was under appreciated.
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
by ejdacanay on
Nov 15, 2008 11:52 AM PST
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He was telling everyone; media (KNBR, newspapers), friends, teammates that he will stay. He ended up not doing so. Was it Rowell’s fault? Could be, but they offered him a contract nonetheless. If his intentions were said before the draft or before we wasted our Trade Exception instead of minutes or hours before Free Agency then we would’ve been better off.
Chris Mullin was telling everyone; media (KNBR, newspapers), friends, teammates that he would not trade Jason Richardson. He ended up doing so. Was it J-Rich’s fault? Could be, but he worked hard and was a fan favorite. If Mullin’s intentions were said before the draft or before season ticket holders had to sign up/ renew then we would’ve been better off with a more reasonable price.
My point is it’s a business and Warriors fans can’t have their cake and eat it too so to speak. The Warriors trade J-Rich and fans are happy because “they saved money on the cap” (which is complete joke for a multitude of reasons). BD bolts The Town to go somewhere where he feels respected and financially rewarded with what he wanted and he’s vilified here by many. Why should Baron care about leaving the Warriors “better off”. They didn’t give him the respect or dinero he wanted. He doesn’t play for the Warriors, BD plays for the division rival LA Clippers. From his and his new team’s perspective the worse off he left the Warriors, the better. Look the organization didn’t care about Jason Richardson- they dumped him off to an expansion franchise. I don’t see many fans complaining about that, but for some odd reason I see fans complaining and pointing the finger at BD for the Warriors current state of disarray.
“It’s a business”.
by Atma Brother ONE on
Nov 15, 2008 12:10 PM PST
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I will bite at your troll attempt.
Chris Mullin was telling everyone; media (KNBR, newspapers), friends, teammates that he would not trade Jason Richardson. He ended up doing so. Was it J-Rich’s fault? Could be, but he worked hard and was a fan favorite.If Mullin’s intentions were said before the draft or before season ticket holders had to sign up/ renew then we would’ve been better off with a more reasonable price.
Italic part is true.
Bold part makes no sense at all, especially considering J-Rich couldn’t veto a trade.
Striked part doesn’t make sense either because we had a good amount of 2’s and 3’s to replace J-Rich (Monta starting at the 2, Jax at the 3). And I don’t get the reasonable price part.
And on to your non-troll part. I for one was not happy with the J-Rich trade, in fact most dubs fans were not happy either, but it did make sense since it created cap space. “Why would Baron care about leaving the Warriors ‘better off’”: Like I said, he told everyone he was staying, so we were not geared to replace him. The Warriors offered him what they thought he was worth and time will if Baron was worth the Clippers contract or a most likely cheaper contract extension from us. And back to the J-Rich thing, I think you are wrong in believing only so many fans care about J-Rich’s departure. J-Rich was cheered on his return to the Oracle, can we expect that from Baron? And yes I am pointing a finger, maybe not THE finger at Baron.
And no duh, its a business.
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
by ejdacanay on
Nov 15, 2008 12:37 PM PST
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Not sure why it's a "troll attempt"
And no the J-Rich trade didn’t “create” any cap space. All it did was increase profit margins for Cohan and company for 1 year. It made no sense from a basketball standpoint or in the long term interests of this franchise. Don’t forget they traded him when his value was pretty low.
Like I said, he told everyone he was staying, so we were not geared to replace him.
Again that’s the organization’s fault/ blunder, not his. Not his problem, nor should he care.
It’s interesting you framed it as “we”, although sadly we don’t have much control over these things- it’s dangerously left up to the incompetent Cohan/Rowell combo. I’m sure we would’ve hooked him up with that reasonable deal that Rowell reportedly vetoed, but sadly we don’t have the power here.
And back to the J-Rich thing, I think you are wrong in believing only so many fans care about J-Rich’s departure.
I hope you’re right and I’m wrong there my friend.
by Atma Brother ONE on
Nov 15, 2008 1:35 PM PST
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And no the J-Rich trade didn’t "create" any cap space. All it did was increase profit margins for Cohan and company for 1 year. It made no sense from a basketball standpoint or in the long term interests of this franchise.
Um…
Have you watched the Warriors this year?
Brandan Wright is really, really good. He makes much more sense for this team than J-Rich. And losing J-Rich allowed us to add Maggette, who’s at least as good (I think better, but it’s debatable). We essentially traded a year of J-Rich for a hugely promising young power forward.
I suffered through the twelve years in the wilderness just like you, and I loved “We Believe” as much as anyone. But this J-Rich talk is getting delusional. It was a great trade for the team, and is one of the reasons why this team’s future is bright.
by onlxn on
Nov 15, 2008 4:14 PM PST
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"getting delusional"?
Too late.
Seriously though, “it didn’t create cap space”? How can you ignore the fact that it helped us to sign AB and Monta. Obviously Baron opting out changed the financial situation but dealing J-Rich when we did helped us to secure a guard who scored 20+pts while shooting over 50% w/ 4ast and 5reb last year and a guy who is averaging about 17pts and 15reb right now… read that again. We have a center who is averaging 17pts and 15reb… on the Warriors…. 17 and 15.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on
Nov 15, 2008 4:30 PM PST
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(Correct me if I’m wrong) There is nothing under the current CBA that prevented the Warriors from resigning Andris Biedrins or Monta Ellis (“thanks” the Gilbert Arenas rule which unfortunately came too late for Dubs Nation). It had nothing to do with cap space. I’m sorry but ya’ll have bought the cheap nonsense the Warriors PR staff wants you to believe.
Saying that the J-Rich trade “helped us” (funny how Warriors fans seem to think they actually saved money here or made the signings) the Warriors sign an immature liar right now doesn’t really help the argument that the J-Rich trade was a good one either.
I’ve said it countless times- trading J-Rich was fine. He was a fan favorite, but replaceable. However THAT trade at THAT time was just foolish.
But seriously— 17 and 15! Imagine what Boom Dizzle, J-Rich, Jack, and Biedrins would do to this league!
by Atma Brother ONE on
Nov 15, 2008 4:44 PM PST
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Imagine a 48-win team, with a roster that blocks Monta Ellis, a better player than both Jack and J-Rich. I can imagine friggin’ dinosaurs if I want. Why bother imagining a poorly constructed 6th seed?
by onlxn on
Nov 15, 2008 4:51 PM PST
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I think the moped is the only thing blocking Monta Ellis, but jokes aside the starting 5 during We Believe:
- Baron
- Monta
- J-Rich
- Jack
- Al
Swap out Al with Biedrins and we’re good to go. Al would make a great 6th man and I bet his mood would brighten up with BD and JR around.
Why bother imagining a poorly constructed 6th seed?
I meed why bother with a poorly constructed 8th seed? Because the upset the #1 seed Mavericks!
Because it’s a hell of a lot better than counting lotto balls! But I really don’t think that team is just a 6th seed. VERY VERY entertaining team too.
by Atma Brother ONE on
Nov 15, 2008 4:57 PM PST
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True...
There was nothing beyond your standard NBA fiscal responsibility stopping them from re-signing AB and Monta (though it was not the Arenas rule, just standard Bird rights). The problem is that we would have been DEEP in the luxury tax. I know that doesn’t concern you but very few owners out there allow there teams to get into the lux tax unless they have a great shot at a championship.
I really do wish that we had an owner who didn’t mind paying extra to field the best team possible. I’m with you there. But we don’t. I’m not going to get all mad that he has the same directives that most owners do (don’t go into the tax). It sucks that they raised ticket prices again so I can feel your pain in that respect.
The thing that does concern me is that Rowell seems to fancy himself as a GM all of a sudden. Instead of vetoing Mullin’s moves he is just trying to do it himself now.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on
Nov 15, 2008 4:54 PM PST
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Good points
I don’t believe they’d be DEEP in luxury tax for more than a year as that silly Foyle contract would come off the books after 1 season, but we’d have to look at the numbers. I don’t buy the fiscal responsibility excuse when the Warriors are in the 5th biggest market and benefitting from the biggest ticket % price hike league-wide.
But here’s the thing I don’t get. I see Warriors fans criticizing Baron Davis for going to the Clips to take more money, but no one criticizes Cohan and crew for cutting costs and not caring about putting the best product out there possible. Why the double standard? If BD’s going to get criticized for getting his, then why doesn’t Cohan? “It’s a business”
Being a good fan to me means pushing your team to be the best. Cohan, Rowell, Mullin’s work- um, not the best.
Nevertheless, good conversation. I don’t mind being the one no one agrees with as long as it’s a respectful and entertaining conversation- which this has been.
by Atma Brother ONE on
Nov 15, 2008 5:05 PM PST
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Double standard...
I agree completely on that one. You won’t ever catch me giving a guy crap for taking the money. I think that most of the guys who give Baron a hard time is just sour grapes. I can’t blame the guy for leaving especially given the circumstances.
As far as being deep in the tax goes, yeah if we didn’t sign anyone else it would only be for one year. But that’s not really how it works, there is the MLE every year and rookies getting new contracts and so on. How would we afford to re-sign Morrow for $15mil/yr (I’m joking I think)? Also don’t forget that by going into the tax you also give up your share of some of the revenue sharing from the NBA so there is really a double penalty.
"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy
by olympicmike on
Nov 15, 2008 5:16 PM PST
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But here's how I see it
The Warriors need to building a winning culture and that starts by making repeat performances to the playoffs. Financially that’s a big bonus in the long run as well. One year of luxury tax is nothing if you have your eyes on a larger prize.
by Atma Brother ONE on
Nov 15, 2008 5:19 PM PST
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Just speaking of myself… I don’t begrudge Baron for going to the Clips. He should’ve. They offered him a lot more money than we did. He made the right call, and I genuinely hope it works out for him (though not at our expense).
I agree that you, that ideally you’d have an owner who’s willing to go deep into the luxury tax to improve a team. But how many owners are actually willing to do that for a team that’s not a title contender? Paul Allen and Mark Cuban, the two eccentrics, are the only ones I can think of. I’d love it if Cohan joined them in that endeavor, but I understand why he doesn’t.
As for “pushing the team to be the best”, I agree. But in my opinion, that’s exactly what the Warriors are doing. I believe they’ve given themselves a shot at a team — not this year, but in the couple years after — that’s significantly better than the “We Believe” outfit, which is why I don’t have much beef with Cohan/Rowell/Mullin.
You disagree… you liked the “We Believe” nucleus better. That’s all well and good, and you have legitimate reasons for feeling that way. But the people who disagree with you don’t care about the team less or expect less from it than you do. We all want the Warriors to get to the top of the mountain. We just disagree about the right path to take.
by onlxn on
Nov 15, 2008 5:18 PM PST
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J-Rich trade bad = incredibly interesting and debatable topic
[Right now this year] “Brandan Wright is really, really good.” or “hugely promising young power forward” = delusional
by Atma Brother ONE on
Nov 15, 2008 4:33 PM PST
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Brandan Wright has played extremely well so far this year, just as he did last season. Watch the games.
Brandan Wright is an efficient scorer and an impact defender. Watch the games.
The more Brandan Wright plays, the better the team does. Watch the games.
Brandan Wright is a 21-year-old power forward who shoots 55% from the field and blocks a shot about every ten minutes, which is as good a rate as anybody in the league. There isn’t a single team in the league who wouldn’t love to have a guy like that. I doubt there’s a single team in the league that would rather have J-Rich at his salary than Wright at his. That trade certainly hasn’t done the Bobcats any favors.
Brandan Wright is not and might never become a superstar in this league, but he is already an effective player at a key position, at 21 years of age. If that isn’t “hugely promising”, I don’t know what is.
I can’t even really tell if you’re a Warriors fan anymore, but if you are, get happy! Brandan Wright is good.
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I doubt there’s a single team in the league that would rather have J-Rich at his salary than Wright at his.
Those would be the teams that aren’t playing to win now and have owners who are just cutting costs. Ahem, Cohan.
I like Wright although he hasn’t produced like I expected him to yet. To say that a guy who contributed 4ppg and 2.6 rbs in only 38 games last year “played extremely well” is well just incredibly homerish. His game against the Nuggets this year was fabulous, but the rest range from terrible to okay.
I’m not saying Wright can’t be a good player, but let’s chill a bit before we anoint him a future cornerstone. You’ve got to put together one whole productive season before that happens.
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Wright has played extremely well whenever he’s been given the opportunity… there’s nothing homerish about recognizing that. Whenever he’s been given minutes, he’s produced. He had great games against Minnesota and Detroit, in addition to the Denver game. He hasn’t been given consistently big minutes, but when a guy plays consistently well, that means something, don’t you think?
Also, winning teams don’t pay B-plus shooting guards 12 million dollars a year. If Cohan does open his wallet further at some point, I hope he’ll remember that.
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Wright has played extremely well whenever he’s been given the opportunity
Well that’s the problem. He hasn’t earned that opportunity in Nellie’s eyes. I don’t think it’s a flat out “give him minutes and he’ll produce” case with Wright. As my man FJ noted earlier this week- it’s easy to just focus on the highlight blocks, etc from Wright and the young guys and not see all those terrible mistakes.
12 million for J-Rich (a big SG with 22ppg, 5rpg, 40% 3pt— in a slower tempo system + some intangibles) ain’t a bad deal at all.
Now 11 million a year for a guy who violated his contract riding a moped, lied about it, has still yet to make a real apology, is suspended for 30 games (averaging 0’s this season) and might never be the same player again (hopefully not though) is not a contract winning teams dish out. That my friends could determine the future of this franchise for the next 3-4 years unfortunately.
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You surely would agree...
…though, that Don Nelson should be as open to scrutiny for his decisions as anybody else? As easy as it is to focus on highlight blocks, it’s similarly easy to fall back on Nelson’s recent and past career success and lose sight of whether his decisions are helping this team, and these players right now.
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No doubt
Although I think Nellie gets way too much criticism from the media and fans who don’t as much hoops knowledge as this guy has in his (big) pinky finger. Where are all those folks who were whining about him not knowing what he was doing by not playing:
- POB
- Ike Diogu
- Kosta Perovic
Nellie could be wrong, but I doubt it. If/ when he decides to give Wright and others big minutes, I’d venture to say he’s doing it at the right time.
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I agree that blocks aren’t the whole story, but I haven’t seen Wright mess up on defense. Randolph has messed up a whole bunch, and Nellie rightly called him out on it. Wright, on the other hand, has been holding his own quite well… he’s a plus defender. I think the spotty minutes Wright has gotten so far are more of a reflection on Nellie than Wright.
Mopedgate sucks, no question. But I’d still rather have Monta over J-Rich by a country mile. We’ll see how his comeback goes.
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Wright's production
at this point he has played enough minutes that you can just add them all up and divide by 36 and see that if you played him starters minutes he’d give you bout 15pts 9reb 2.5blk on 56% shooting without turning the ball over too much. There isn’t really much doubt statistically speaking. As for why he’s not getting those kind of minutes, your guess is as good as mine, but to my eye Nellie seems to get a lot more aggravated when young players make mistakes than when vets do.
And as far as placing the hopes of your franchise into a young talented player and being let down. That has happened to even the winningest of franchises. Remember Len Bias?
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There isn’t really much doubt statistically speaking.
I’d be careful about that. Wright’s numbers might not extrapolate well. Remember the more he plays, the more he won’t just be an X-factor (which he is now) and the other teams will have a better scouting report on him.
It’s especially problematic for players who have a fairly limited skillset- although Biedrins is putting up nearly 17ppg right now, so you never know.
Also remember he’d have to play a ton of minutes alongside Biedrins, which could actually hurt both of their point totals. The reasoning being that there’s no reason at all for opposing 4’s and 5’s who are all bigger than the Wright-Biedrins combo to EVER leave the lane. Just push them around and be physical with them Dare them to shoot a 7 or 8 footer, because they won’t. I have a feeling Nellie has avoided playing them together for long stretches because they make each other easier to guard.
I don’t think at this point in his career Wright can average 15ppg over the course of a season. Even in Nellie’s system. That’s just a lot of points.
9rpg seems reasonable though although it would cut into Biedrins’ gaudy rebound totals.
But don’t forget the fatigue factor (which is going to hit Biedrins in about a month or two- always does). I doubt Wright with his frame can continue his production rate playing heavy minutes at this level over 60+ games.
And as far as placing the hopes of your franchise into a young talented player and being let down. That has happened to even the winningest of franchises. Remember Len Bias?
Not really sure what you’re trying to say there, but if you’re even remotely suggesting that KG 2.0 will bolt for the Warriors in 2020, then it’s all about We Believe 2.0!
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The Wright/Biedrins non-shooting tandem is definitely a potential issue. However, in their (brief) time together so far, it’s worked out well, largely because Andris has been moving around a lot on offense, working pick-and-rolls with Jack and such. Both guys are quite mobile and active, which helps cut down on clogging.
Long-term, they’ll only be a really good pairing if Wright becomes a viable shooter. But he’s actually not a bad shooter… he has an okay midrange game. He hasn’t been taking jumpers because Nellie doesn’t yet draw up plays for him, but Wright isn’t a complete non-shooter like Biedrins.
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Two things...
First:
You are right the rigors of a long season might wear on Wright. I’m not sure if he could keep it up at this point in his career but he is that caliber of player. He will get there sooner rather than later IMO. As far as rebounding goes IIRC JAE has shown in the past that who a player plays next to has little if any effect on their rebounding stats. Now the fact that neither of them can stretch the D on offense could be an issue until Wright improves his mid-range shot.
Second:
The Len Bias comment was directed at your statement that signing guys who make bad decisions (Monta) and put their careers at risk is not something that winning franchises do. I was just trying to say that even the best franchises can sign someone who lets them down.
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by olympicmike on
Nov 15, 2008 8:23 PM PST
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As far as rebounding goes IIRC JAE has shown in the past that who a player plays next to has little if any effect on their rebounding stats.
Well it’s a little tough, because I can’t my hands on this worldly data set to do my own statistical analyses. I’m just not buying it though. As a Warriors fan I’ve been burned by the “T-Doubles” of the world.
I’ll try to find some time to write a post about this, but don’t you think Biedrins’ rebounding totals are inflated by the system and the terrible rebounders around him? Great rebounder, but 14.8rpg? Seems fishy.
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Nov 15, 2008 8:41 PM PST
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Well sure...
I doubt he’ll average 15 a game for an entire year, but he is still a great rebounder if you adjust for pace of play.
Just speaking anecdotally, I don’t see why having poor rebounders around him gives him a better chance of grabbing the board. He is competing against the other team not ours. How often do you see two guys on the same team fight over a rebound? Once every couple of games? I can’t think of a time that I’ve seen AB wrestle one away from another Warrior who would have held onto it had he been a better rebounder.
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Nov 15, 2008 9:19 PM PST
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some intangibles?
He’s got all the intangibles.
No one made me more proud to be a
warriors fan than JRich.
He improved every season, Gave 110% on the floor, and felt bad when the team didn’t live up to expectations. We shoulda made him general manager instead of dumping him.
Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me
by Skeptic con Urquell on
Nov 15, 2008 8:15 PM PST
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Are you talking to me?
If so, that’s offending. People who know me know that I’ve been with the Warriors since day one. Yes, I have been here for the 12 years of “suck.” I remember players we’ve had from the years of “suck” as well. Vonteego, David Wood, BJ Armstrong, Carlos Rogers, Larry Hughes, Billy Owens for a 2nd time, Donyell Marshall, Eric Dampier, Ricky Pearce, Rod Higgins, Joe Smith, Todd Fuller… Todd Fuller alone should say something. I hate bandwagoners, so please don’t ever put me in the same pool as them.
by Golden Boy on
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Naw
I was replying to my own comment. You type faster than me my good man and posted yours before I was finished typing mine. Apologies if it came across like that with the conversation threading layout.
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Nov 15, 2008 11:51 AM PST
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+1000
I really hope he torches us tonight to show Rowell and company the big mistake they made… they deserve it!
F**K REFS
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Nov 15, 2008 11:43 AM PST
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Or we can see if Baron gets hurt in the future
And see if they made a good decision.
Also take note that Baron has already missed 1 game, didn’t start in another, the Clippers are 1-7, and that he is already butting heads with Funleavy Sr.
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
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Nov 15, 2008 11:58 AM PST
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Baron will get hurt
And we will win.
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
by ejdacanay on
Nov 15, 2008 11:19 AM PST
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broadcast
will the game be broadcast on league pass?
by curtischin on
Nov 15, 2008 11:23 AM PST
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this is going to be a interesting game
wonder who will have lower shooting percentage? captain jack morgan or BD? lol
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Nov 15, 2008 11:38 AM PST
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damn
i’m not gunna sit here and cry and bitch about not having baron, but all i gotta say is that baron was the man that single handedly turn this franchise around. of course he had tremendous help with j-rich, stack jack, al, barnes, monta, and biedrins..but baron was the one that made them all better players and carried this team on his shoulders when we needed him the most. yes, i know there were times where he was the reason why we lost some games, but don’t ever forget the moments where he was the sole reason why we won.
baron davis game winners:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTvOswqcrPk - celtics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhsxp9PKUV4 - sonics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZubvPYD8u0Y - rockets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC1pzeZnI64&feature=related - lakers
by LETS GO WARRIORS on
Nov 15, 2008 12:14 PM PST
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btw
i hope he personally has a great game, but i hope the warriors still smack em!
by LETS GO WARRIORS on
Nov 15, 2008 12:15 PM PST
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when do we wear the "The City" yellow jerseys again?
that’s my favorite one
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:26 PM PST
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Btw
do you guys think Monta will have this big ego and whatnot? you know, become a ball hog and will think that he is the team’s star?
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:27 PM PST
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Morrow starting btw
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:31 PM PST
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They should have asked Baron
about the Jenny Craig thing in that interview
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Nov 15, 2008 12:38 PM PST
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lol
Marco and Beeans fondling Jim HAHAHA
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:38 PM PST
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Starters
Morrow, Buike, Jackson, Maggette Beans
by IQofaWarrior on
Nov 15, 2008 12:41 PM PST
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wow..
clippers fans have no emotion.
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by Rruddfrmtha415 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:43 PM PST
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hey
I just noticed we are finally wearing our road unis
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:48 PM PST
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buike
with the J yay!
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by Rruddfrmtha415 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:49 PM PST
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lol
ahahaha…cllippers should have offered more
by saintdee on
Nov 15, 2008 12:49 PM PST
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woah
Baron is wishin he never left!
by bayareaballa on
Nov 15, 2008 12:49 PM PST
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ha
Warriors are trying to show Baron this is what you left for?!!!!
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:50 PM PST
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he
left for the long term money. baron didnt care about winning or he wouldnt have joined the clips.
by saintdee on
Nov 15, 2008 12:50 PM PST
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and
for Jessica everyday and Queen Latifa
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:52 PM PST
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please
let this be the one game where we can sustain our effort!!!
by saintdee on
Nov 15, 2008 12:50 PM PST
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yeaaaah!
these first several minutes have been the highlight of the season!
by jaredl10 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:50 PM PST
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man this is the warriors i love to see.
unlike the iso shit we usually seee during the second half.
by GSwarrior on
Nov 15, 2008 12:51 PM PST
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anyone
have a feeling baron partied last night?
by saintdee on
Nov 15, 2008 12:51 PM PST
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That is the aspect of Baron
i do not miss
by IQofaWarrior on
Nov 15, 2008 12:51 PM PST
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Yeah
these first few minutes represent good ole Nellie ball
by IQofaWarrior on
Nov 15, 2008 12:51 PM PST
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Ah
we got booted to the 1230 slot because of evening hockey atLA
by IQofaWarrior on
Nov 15, 2008 12:52 PM PST
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did you see baron
run towards sjax when he shot that three. haha
by jaredl10 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:55 PM PST
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lmao
how much u think baron misses biedrins now that he’s playing with kaman
by AJC3317 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:55 PM PST
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Baron
Baron def misses Beens…kamans a joke
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by Rruddfrmtha415 on
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lol
baron must miss biedrins right about now
by saintdee on
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oh
lord Baron is heating up, oh wait hes baron hes gonna cool down in like the 3 qtr
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:56 PM PST
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It feels a bit weird
to watch Baron defend Jackson
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This is torture...
I wish I was home right now… : (
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by olympicmike on
Nov 15, 2008 12:57 PM PST
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lol
these clippers announcers are horrible
by bayareaballa on
Nov 15, 2008 12:58 PM PST
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damn
our best player is off the floor.
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:59 PM PST
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Wow
how did beans save that play???
by IQofaWarrior on
Nov 15, 2008 1:00 PM PST
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lol
lol at nellie with the blazer and the wack ass warriors short sleeve collared shirt…haha
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WOW
AR
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
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jaredl10
leung>?
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jus
posted. watching baron get deuced on.
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by Rruddfrmtha415 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:03 PM PST
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FREAKING
DOUBLE CAT!
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:01 PM PST
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not
that nelson ever gave beli a chance like he gave morrow.
sigh
by saintdee on
Nov 15, 2008 1:02 PM PST
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Neli is in
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:04 PM PST
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well
here comes his chance
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:04 PM PST
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why they never pass to Neli when he is open
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by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:04 PM PST
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what a play!!!
biedrins gets it thrown off him, and he saves it!!!!
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ha
he did one of those really far makes sjax look like a bad 3, 3
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
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no, Stern hates the Warriors
Refs get a memo every warrior game to make bad calls
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:07 PM PST
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Refs hate us
missed call + technical Foul
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Nov 15, 2008 1:06 PM PST
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that
for some reason didn’t seem like a missed call seemed like im not calling it because your the warriors call.
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:07 PM PST
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We still have a long way to grow
we started well, playing team ball, but finished the quarter playing iso ball
by IQofaWarrior on
Nov 15, 2008 1:08 PM PST
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Bad Call, but why was Jack holding the ball so long?
He barely had control of it…..
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how
many times im going to hear how bad Dwade is?!
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:08 PM PST
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missed the starting lineup
was it?
G Watson
G Morrow
F Jackson
F Maggette
C Biedrins
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by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:08 PM PST
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nah
Morrow was the point, Bookie 2, Jack 3, Maggette 4, and Beans. Ultra small.
by bayareaballa on
Nov 15, 2008 1:09 PM PST
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Who remembers
The T Nellie got with .02 seconds left in that Wizards game to help Washington go to the ft line to win by a point? Gotta love the refs sometimes…hope that doesnt happen in this game…
by Blue and Yellow on
Nov 15, 2008 1:10 PM PST
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We all do
because that started our historical 16-5 run
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Nov 15, 2008 1:10 PM PST
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My sig "F**K Refs"
is from this game… and BTW… the technical foul was called after time expired… We lost the game with like 3 or 4 FTs after time expired…. that was unbelievable!
F**K REFS
by faetati on
Nov 15, 2008 1:15 PM PST
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DAM
AR WITH THE CROSS!
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:11 PM PST
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dammit Marco
Take as many shots as you want.
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by chili01 on
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Beautiful Mr. Randolph
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
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HA
Bieds would of got that pass lol
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:11 PM PST
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Pass to Marco
and Marco…move man I know your open but move on the offense
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by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:13 PM PST
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ugh
warriors are starting to look like the warriors
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:13 PM PST
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Yeah
I had a bad feeling about this since the end of the 1st quarter
by IQofaWarrior on
Nov 15, 2008 1:13 PM PST
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Value posessions...
they help you score more points so you can win more games…
by Blue and Yellow on
Nov 15, 2008 1:14 PM PST
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hOLY CRAP
HOLIDAY PACKAGE. CLEAVELAND, LAKERS CELTICS + MAGGETTE BOBBLE HEAD!
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:15 PM PST
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btw how come we never pass outside?
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by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:18 PM PST
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what
refs on our side now?!!!
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:18 PM PST
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lol
clips booing mags on FT
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haha
Magette was like WHAT THE FU%#!!!! oh? its a Tech
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:19 PM PST
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this is gonna be a high scoring game...
40 with over eight to go…
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It's so quiet
you can hear the players argue
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We get used to loud games at home
that’s all home games. doesn’t matter what team we play
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:21 PM PST
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WHAT THE CJ PASSES THE BALL ON A FAST BREAK!!!!!
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:20 PM PST
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but the outcome remains....
an offensive foul
by Blue and Yellow on
Nov 15, 2008 1:20 PM PST
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man i was
just saying Watson can Finnaly run a break, than that stupd charge. damn it
by THIZZ-A-LOT on
Nov 15, 2008 1:20 PM PST
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lol
you can hear dub fans cheer the missed ft
by Blue and Yellow on
Nov 15, 2008 1:21 PM PST
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I don't understand that foul call
on Marco
by IQofaWarrior on
Nov 15, 2008 1:21 PM PST
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Listen to Jim Barnett
He explains it. and how to do it right.
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:23 PM PST
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poor beli...
hope he likes new jersey
by shooter1525 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:21 PM PST
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got damnit Jack
he gettin jelous of Morrow or what
by THIZZ-A-LOT on
Nov 15, 2008 1:22 PM PST
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omg
jax needs shot selection classes
by bayareaballa on
Nov 15, 2008 1:22 PM PST
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LOL
LAKER FANS ARE CHEEING TURIAF
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:22 PM PST
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CHEERING*
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:22 PM PST
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finnaly doin what hes sposed to be
not some dumb ass 3’s!!!! hes pissin me off
by THIZZ-A-LOT on
Nov 15, 2008 1:24 PM PST
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jax just got owned
he needs to remember this is dubs vs clips..not jax vs bd
by Blue and Yellow on
Nov 15, 2008 1:24 PM PST
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333333333333
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
by ejdacanay on
Nov 15, 2008 1:25 PM PST
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Morrow!
they pass to him. but not to Belineli. makes me sad.
Good one Morrow!
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:25 PM PST
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i guess that one
looked like he was just tryin to get bailed out of another nowhere spin move
by THIZZ-A-LOT on
Nov 15, 2008 1:26 PM PST
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maybe now they hit up Morrow
more and get some confidence wiff him
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Nov 15, 2008 1:25 PM PST
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ha
greatest line ever. “warriors have missed 5 straight threes that’s because morrow didn’t shot them”
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:26 PM PST
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help!
any chance to catch the game thru the net? streaming channel or something? please, appreciate your help, thanx
Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr
by Murcy on
Nov 15, 2008 1:26 PM PST
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the kid shoots a good clip
4 of 5 nice
by shooter1525 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:27 PM PST
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that feed is slower than what i have
but its better quality
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
by ejdacanay on
Nov 15, 2008 1:29 PM PST
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No more Maggete
why’d nelly sit AR he was being productive
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Nov 15, 2008 1:27 PM PST
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dam
i hope Morrow shoots enough to qualify him for the 3pt contest
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:28 PM PST
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Wright on the floor yet?
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:28 PM PST
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nope
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:28 PM PST
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oh great
thanks bayareballa
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by Murcy on
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JUST GIVE THE BALL TO MORROW AND NOBODY ELSE
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by 24k state fan since 87 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:29 PM PST
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wow
this kid is something else right now
by shooter1525 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:30 PM PST
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you guys think that
Nellie is going to develop Watson to a PG?
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:31 PM PST
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Marcus > All
As a true PG
Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.
by ejdacanay on
Nov 15, 2008 1:32 PM PST
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yet we do not play him
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck
by chili01 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:33 PM PST
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Marcus is a major defensive liability.
He gets burned, then doesnt provide any help defense.
by Jagz8 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:34 PM PST
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That's why
I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck