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Biedrins, an All-Star? An early look at the #'s.

I for one have been blown away by AB's play early on so I thought it would be fun to take a look at the competition at the center spot for this years All-Star game. Yeah, I know it's really early to be talking about this but consider this the first installment in an ongoing series.

Taking a look at the ballot I think it's pretty safe to say you can cross a couple of guys off the list. I'll eliminate Okur and Collison from the discussion (I should probably get rid of a couple more but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt). Also I'll keep this comparison limited to the stats that matter most for a center just to keep this simple, Pts Reb Blk FG%. Now remember to give Brad Miller some bonus points for his 6ast per game.

 

Biedrins 16.8 Pts 14.8 Reb 1.7 Blk 52.7 FG%

Bynum 9.9 Pts 8.9 Reb 3.0 Blk 45.5 FG%

Camby 7.0 Pts 9.4 Reb 2.8 Blk 45.2 FG%

Chandler 7.7 Pts 9.5 Reb 2.0 Blk 54.5 FG%

Jefferson 22.1 Pts 10.7 Reb 1.9 Blk 48.5 FG%

Kaman 12.5 Pts 9.9 Reb 2.0 Blk 51.3 FG%

Miller 13.6 Pts 10.0 Reb 1.2 Blk 43.6 FG%

Oden 4.7 Pts 6.0 Reb 2.3 Blk 40.0 FG%

Shaq 16.1 Pts 9.2 Reb 1.2 Blk 65.1 FG%

Yao 16.2 Pts 9.7 Reb 1.6 Blk 47.0 FG%

 

Ok so at first glance his biggest competition is Jefferson. He has the magic 20-10 averages that seem to make you an elite big man in most people's mind. IMO I'd rather have the guy averaging 17-15 with a higher %, but hey that's just me.

Another thing to consider is that the guy voted in is rarely the best player. Is it still a foregone conclusion that Yao will get the most votes? Probably, right? So that leaves one spot for center with the possibility that they use one of the non specified spots on a center (not usually the case right?)

Yet another factor is winning. This one always seems to be taken into account with the coaches selections. I doubt we will be doing that great in the W-L column but if we can hang around despite the injury to Monta that may earn us some respect around the league.

 

So, what do you guys think? Will this be the year? Are his early numbers a fluke? Will he be robbed by someone less deserving?

 

Star-divide

Also, a quick reminder that the All-Star ballots are up at NBA.com so vote early and vote often. If we can send Obama to the White House we can send Andris to Phoenix. 

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What's your prediction for AB's All-Star chances?
He will be voted in as a starter
35 votes
He will be selected by the coaches
191 votes
He will miss out despite deserving a spot
210 votes
He will have a solid year but not deserve a spot
14 votes
AB an All-Star? Seriously?
2 votes

452 votes | Poll has closed

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simply not popular enough to win a starting spot

and that’s the truth.

but he is and will be good enough to not be snubbed a spot by the coaches, like baron was.

man, here’s to hoping the dubz finally get some recognition in the all-star game, for the first time since sprewell?? damn that was like 14 years ago!!!!!!

by Run Dubz on Nov 16, 2008 12:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

He deserves it

He had 4 asts last game :) And only 2 tos

One thing is during our past two national broadcasts, beans has gotten a lot of attention and the dbl dbl streak was mentioned quite often. Hopefully that helps to get him voted in.

by mosdl on Nov 16, 2008 12:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

ugh

that still upsets me. there were at least 3 players who deserved it more, and when one of them happens to be a warrior, bad times.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Nov 16, 2008 8:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He will be selected by the coaches

since phrase ‘Biedrins is one of the most underrated players’ is mark of knowing NBA

sometimes people don’t want to talk hoops, they just come here to act a fool.

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 16, 2008 12:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

yao shaq and dwight will get the votes before beans.
sadly

by so ill so d0pe on Nov 16, 2008 1:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

yup

D-Ho is in the East

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 16, 2008 1:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yao gets voted in easily with the Chinese vote, but I think Biedrins gets picked by the coaches easily. He’ll lead the West in rebounding by a pretty significant margin and outscore the likes of Camby and Bynum. I’d put the early money on Jefferson and Biedrins as the reserves with Yao starting.

by sam23 on Nov 16, 2008 1:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

regardless of output i bet bynum will get a lot of laker-fan votes.
shaq too. he’s been pretty effective this season, he’ll probably get a lot of the name recognition votes.

by so ill so d0pe on Nov 16, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i said before

if biedrins doesn’t make it, there should be an absolute riot

by AJC3317 on Nov 16, 2008 2:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

He definitely deserves a spot, too bad the All Star Game is more of a popularity contest rather than actually selecting the “all stars”. What they should do is just have the media, the coaches, players, and GMs vote.

You should let the fans vote too, but secretly have it mean nothing at all about who gets voted in. haha

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by JustSomeName on Nov 16, 2008 3:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nothing is "definite" or "deserved" yet

He still has to at least sustain his current production and stay injury-free. It’s still too early to ink in your all-star rosters.

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 16, 2008 4:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Are his early numbers a fluke?

  More a product of the style of play and the Warriors personnel. We shoot a lot and badly so there’s lots of rebound chances and our other players are poor rebounders so they are never in place to take rebounds away from Dris. Morrow got like 10 last night so that tells you how easy it is to rack them up if one gets in there and tries.
   Will Dris get voted in? Probably not cause he don’t have “star” personality. Should he get in on coaches selection ? probably since they like consistency.
   Of the young centers on the west list I like Jefferson , Bynam, and Oden the best but as long as Shaq is playing he should get the allstar vote out of respect for his greatness.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2008 9:19 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Oden?

How can you justify even mentioning Oden at this point?

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 16, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How can you justify even mentioning Oden at this point?

   Did you see his performance last night? That’s why, it was only the 5th game of his NBA career.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 19, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When i posted that he hadn't played that game yet

that’s why i said “at this point”

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 20, 2008 6:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His scoring increase is a product of the change in team composition. Per minute, his scoring is up, but entirely by taking more shots. And he’s not hitting these shots as well as he was when he wasn’t as big a part of the offense. Per 36, he’s taking about three more shots, but only making 1 more. He’s still an efficient option, but his scoring isn’t really adding to the team production vs what he did a year ago.

His rebounding is a different story. It is not more misses that has increased his rebounding, but he’s actually grabbing a greater percentage of the available rebounds and doing this at both ends of the court. The illusion that other players “take rebounds away” is widely pushed, but there’s not much evidence for it being a big effect. The Warriors weren’t a good rebounding team a year ago. They’ve been better as a whole, in large part because of Andris, but exclusively because of him. His teammates don’t appear to be worse in this regard than they were a year ago and are perhaps a bit better.

by jae on Nov 16, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

His teammates don’t appear to be worse in this regard than they were a year ago and are perhaps a bit better.

  The question is not if they are worse than last year but how the team compares to other teams . Do we get less balanced rebound numbers per player? Do we have less players crashing the boards? If you put dwight howard and dris on the same team who would get more rebounds?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm
We shoot a lot and badly so there’s lots of rebound chances and our other players are poor rebounders so they are never in place to take rebounds away from Dris

ok -i can imagine that about teammates -but it’s like you are trying to say that even opponents aren’t trying to ‘rack them up’

sometimes people don’t want to talk hoops, they just come here to act a fool.

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 16, 2008 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but it’s like you are trying to say that even opponents aren’t trying to ‘rack them up’

  No, The opponents still get their share, the Warriors share is split more towards Dris’ favor. It’s just my observation from watching games, most good rebounders seem a lot tougher and more athletic than Dris so I’m thinking he probably has an opportunity advantage?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so I’m thinking he probably has an opportunity advantage?

-if this is based just on ‘most good rebounders’ outlook and ‘toughness’ then i can say that Andris is pretty tough (in some calm traditional latvian way) and also i don’t remember that Rodman was body builder

Andris has great hands is 7feet tall knows his position and works hard every game and every minute -plain and simple

sometimes people don’t want to talk hoops, they just come here to act a fool.

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 16, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rodman apparently had one of the most extreme workout routines in the league. I remember once reading that the only player who spent more time on strength and conditioning was Mullin. Rodman may not have been built like a body builder, but he was extremely fit. Nonetheless, he is one of the many examples of superior rebounders who aren’t built like interior linemen. Camby has been among the best in the game with a slight build. David Robinson and Kevin Garnett wouldn’t be confused with hulking giants either, but both knew how to grab a rebound or two or ten or fourteen a night.

The lack of other rebounders may help Andris’s stats look better in part, but the effect is pretty minimal. It certainly didn’t help Harrington much when he played center last season. The Warriors are doing much better on the offensive glass as a team, almost entirely because Andris is getting more o-boards (as a percentage of available missed shots). Our opponents aren’t ‘getting their share’ as much as they were last year. The rest of out team has a pretty similar rebounding percentage to how they were a year ago. Andris’s improvement from a year ago is a result of him getting balls that in the past went to the bad guys.

by jae on Nov 16, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Andris’s improvement from a year ago is a result of him getting balls that in the past went to the bad guys.

  Maybe he has gotten away from that volleyball tip thang and is trying to grab them more?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps. What he was doing in the past was working. He was already one of the better rebounders in the league a year ago. What he’s doing this year is beyond that.

by jae on Nov 16, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

or

maybe he’s a young big man, and young big men tend to get better from one year to the next.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Nov 16, 2008 6:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

other centers more athletic? Are

you freakin blind? what game are you watching. beans is quicker and more athletic than 90% of the big men in the league. He gets his rebounds because of this more times than not.

by smearthebeard on Nov 16, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what game are you watching.

 I’m watching his painfull shooting technique, not very athletic at all. Everyone I played with in High school could shoot better than that.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Biedrins can make free throws

He’s currently at 62% . As with every other facet of his game, he’s working at it and improving it. Given that he’s still 22, I could totally see him bumping up to 65-70% from the stripe, which would be more than respectable for an 18/14 Top 5 NBA center.

And then there are the three “real centers” whom our resident aficionado of “shooting technique” can’t seem to stop ballwashing…

Dwight Howard 51% FT (60% career)
Ben Wallace 56% FT (42% career)
Shaquille O’Neal 62% FT (53% career)

All a long way of saying: don’t feed the Biedrins troll (even if I’ve been doing it nonstop for the last two years…;-O)

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 16, 2008 4:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t ever expect Biedrins to be a good FT shooter. Guys improve over time, but it’s rare that a guy who comes in terrible from the stripe gets to be good. You’d think that it’s an aspect of the game where practice could pay off the most, but either almost no one ever practices enough, or it’s really not that heavily influenced by practice. A guy who struggles to get to 60% from the stripe rarely gets to 70%. Dunno why, but that seems to be the truth.

by jae on Nov 16, 2008 6:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mostly agree

The guys who seem to “trend up” in their late 20s are guys who were very good to begin with: Magic, Bird, Jordan, e.g.

Still, I was only especting (hoping for) an increase of 5% or so, which isn’t unheard of for a young big guy. To name a few:

Moses Malone rookie .635
Moses’ second year .612
Moses career: .769

Hakeem rookie (age 22): 615
Hakeem’s second year: .645
Hakeem career: .712

Karl Malone rookie: .481
Malone’s second year: .598
Malone career: .742

Webber’s rookie (age 20): .532
Webber’s second year: .502
Webber career: .649

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 16, 2008 7:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

a 70 year old can make fee throws.

 It’s not just the poor free throw form, the lack of any shooting skill is a big minus for someone who plays basketball. Dris does a couple of things very well but other things poorly. I wouldn’t call a basketball player who can’t make a 10 foot jump shot athletic? He might be athletic in some other sports such as latvian logrolling that don’t entail shooting but this is a basketball discussion.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2008 7:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The couple of things he does well are among the most important in the game.

“Athletic” is a ridiculously subjective term. Is Andris a jump shooter? Does he have much shooting range? No. So if your narrow definition of athletic requires this shooting form, he’s not athletic. But that’s a lousy way to finish your evaluation of a player, and it’s one that grossly ignores some things ridiculously important to the game.

Andris’s athleticism shows up in that he’s got amazingly good hands and balance. He doesn’t fumble passes or rebounds and he has a soft touch that gets tips and layups in much more often than not because of this. Those are athletic skills. They’re not something that’s merely a product of being tall, else the numerous tall stiffs in the league could do it too. Since grabbing rebounds and converting shots close in are both ridiculously important to successful basketball, this indicates that he excel in some areas of ‘athleticism’ that count.

by jae on Nov 16, 2008 8:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree...

very few player do everything in the game perfectly. those are the rare greats: mj, kobe, magic…ect. but what a.b. does well is much more important than what he doesn’t do well. i would much rather have my center rebound, protect the paint and convert near the basket. jesus, even shawn bradley could stroke a 15-footer and shoot 75% from the stripe. who would you rather have?

by jnormous on Nov 18, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

its all about buzz

oden and bynum will always be getting more hype so they probably have a better chance of getting selected even though biedrins has more skill and experience. Come on now… Biedrins in the all star game?! he’ll catch all of those smooth passes and hammer it down; he has the best hands as a center imo…

by bojangles408 on Nov 16, 2008 9:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Either Voted in by Coaching Staff

or Misses It, but we must remember that most stats for Run-N-Gun teams are inflated especially when there is only 1 7 Footer on the team.

Hasheem "The Beat" Thabeet or Brandon Jennings. A Warrior in 09.

by ejdacanay on Nov 16, 2008 9:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

That may be the perception, but the actual “inflation” isn’t that great per individual. It’s not like “run and gun” turns a 5ppg scoring into a 15ppg scorer. The Warriors score about 7% more points than the average team. If it’s a matter of game pace, distributed equally according to laying time, then on an ‘average’ team, ‘Dris would be averaging 15.6 and 14, which is still superb. Now expecting that the coaches are adept enough at math to figure this out and not ignorantly say “yeah, but his numbers are inflated because of the system” might be too much to ask, but his numbers do not look good because of the “system.” They look good because he’s playing fantastic basketball.

by jae on Nov 16, 2008 10:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No Respect...

Ok, so the votes are working out basically how I expected, but I don’t know if it is just a vocal minority or what but it seems to me like AB is still not getting the respect he deserves from W’s fans. All this talk about him being a product of the system and the fact that he plays next to poor rebounder surprises me.

I think JAE did a good job of shooting holes through this mentality but I just wanted to put this in perspective. How many people here were raving about Bynum last season when he was putting up 13pts 10reb before he got injured? I don’t think I read one person here say “well it’s easier for him to score cause he plays with Kobe” or “well it’s probably just the triangle offense thats making him so successful”.

What about Dwight Howard? I’ve never heard anyone say that the fact that he play next to Turkoglu and Lewis is the reason for his gaudy rebounding numbers. Or how about the fact that he plays in the east where the competition at center isn’t as tough as the west.

Seriously guys give AB some credit. What’s the deal? Is it because he is a skinny white euro? Is it his weakness for hair gel? If he shaved his head and put on thirty pounds of muscle would the numbers be more legitimate to you?

The guy is doing his thing right now better than any center not named Dwight Howard. I don’t know if he can keep it up all season long but for now give the guy the respect he has earned.

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by olympicmike on Nov 16, 2008 11:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

+100

There’s a context for any player’s performance, but in general, what a guy does is far more a product of how he plays than who he plays with. Basketball stats are far more consistent from year to year even when guys change teams and teammates than in just about any other sport (well, maybe save for soccer, but the average of zero goals scored a game can’t change much).

Andris is playing as well as just about anyone in the league presently. Last year he was among the better centers in the game. I really, really doubt it’s a fluke. It’s not common for guys in their early 20s to ‘regress’. I think we’ve seeing the real deal, and he’s locked up for 6 more at a bargain price for a top notch big.

by jae on Nov 16, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think I read one person here say "well it’s easier for him to score cause he plays with Kobe"

  Cause Kobe is a ball hog who makes everyone’s stats go down. Bynum’s 13/10 with Kobe would probably be 26/20 with the Dubs :>)

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, Skep.

This is this last time I’m going to reply to you on this subject (for a while anyway). Afterwards feel free to continue your mindless anti-Biedrins trolling, which is so far past its expiration date everybody here can smell its stench.

Andris Biedrins is probably the single best thing about the Warriors. There’s not even a close second place (I mean, other than Morrow ;-)). We’re talking about a kid born and bred by the Warriors; a skinny kid who left home at age 18 and traveled halfway across the world to test his mettle against the best basketball players in the world; a kid with a fantastic attitude who’s worked his ass off to improve himself every year he’s been in the league; a kid who demonstrably busts his ass every single game, every single minute on the floor; a kid who busted his ass when he was making the rookie scale salary, and who busts his ass even more now that he’s been rewarded for his efforts by a very reasonable veteran deal that will keep in the Bay till his early prime (age 27); a kid who was one of the key factors in lifting this team from 13 years of suckitude to respectability; a kid who, at age 22, has joined Stephen Jackson as one of the spiritual leaders of this team, helping to fill the void left by BD; a kid who, by any statistical or anecdotal measure, is the best Warriors center since Nate Thurmond, a current top 5-6 NBA center, and at worst the second-best rebounder in the entire league; a kid who, to the sheer delight of everyone in the Bay except you, continues to work his ass off and improve every facet of his game and help the Warriors win basketball games.

Meanwhile you, presumably some kind of “Warrior fan,” not only choose to remain blind to all this, but take every available opportunity to crap all over him. Best I can tell, over the course of your trolling, the crux of your argument remains that he doesn’t “look” like you think an NBA center should look. Only you know for sure whether his nationality or race factors into this judgment. At the very least, your constant refusal to give him the slightest bit of credit, for anything, has become tired and embarrassing.

Anyway, you’re obviously not swayed by stats, reason, visual evidence, or any of the many arguments presented by the many eloquent voices on this board; and it’s not like I expect this post to change that. It’s more catharsis for me at having to listen to you drag such a fabulous player through the mud, not just occasionally, but pretty much every day, often multiple times a day. My cyber-ears are bleeding.

Anyway, carry on as you were. It must still be amusing to you, if to nobody else here.

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 16, 2008 4:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+100

i love my new signature (tnx Atma)

sometimes people don’t want to talk hoops, they just come here to act a fool.

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 16, 2008 4:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He is bitter about being wrong about Biedrins, and is holding on to any feeble attempt at an argument he can make. Biedrins represents the new direction the Warriors took when they got rid of J-Rich, who he is very emotionally attached to. Probably why he is also anti “Montay.”

by belilaugh on Nov 16, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

having to listen to you drag such a fabulous player through the mud,

  Thru the mud? Cause I don’t like his lack of post up game or shooting skils? Cause I think an “athletic” center should be able to make a 10 foot jumpshot? Mud draggin is apparently not what it usta be.
      Dris might be the best thing the warrior have going for us but that is not very reassuring. Why don’t I drink the Biedrins cool aide? He is a serviceable center but I think an allstar quality center needs to be more. They need to take over a game somehow , a back down move like Shaq daddy, a sweet jumpshot like Duncan or a Kareem skyhook. How often does Dris call for the last shot and will the team to victory? I think his lack of offensive skill becomes apparent in these situations and lowers him from the top level.
      He’s a nice kid with a great attitude and if we are stuck with him that’s fine. The double double streak doesn’t do much for me if we are not winning, seems like Troy Murphy had that thing going too? and Remember when talking numbers that Wilt averaged 37 points and 27 rebounds in his rookie season : >)

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 16, 2008 9:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

well said

that’s all i can say.

by jnormous on Nov 18, 2008 12:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bynum’s 13/10 with Kobe would probably be 26/20 with the Dubs

I dunno. I have a feeling he’d still be in Nellie’s doghouse if the Warriors drafted him.

by lightz0ut on Nov 17, 2008 12:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean like Beans would still be in Nellie's doghouse?

Oh, wait… Nellile’s playing the young big man with skills. Nellie calculates a very simple logic test every time he sets foot on the basketball court: If “Player X” improves the chance of my team winning this game, I will put “Player X” in the game. It’s plain and simple. Nellie has better options that Belinelli, Wright, Randolph, Hendrix, etc. so he plays his better options in an attempt to follow Herm Edwards’ motto: “You play to win the game”.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 17, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it seems to me like AB is still not getting the respect he deserves from W’s fans

or maybe some of us don’t vote by our respect for him, rather for what we think will happen – a prediction – which is what the vote asked us to do

does he deserve it? so far, yes, obviously – but the factors such as it’s too early to tell what players will do over the first half on the whole, popularity, high vote counts (LA, PRC, etc.) factor into the prediction

by hardcore on Nov 16, 2008 5:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you misunderstood me...

I didn’t mean that the vote is what was making me think he doesn’t get enough respect. I meant it was all the talk about his stats being inflated by our system and the fact that he is playing next to poor rebounders. Reading it again I guess it wasn’t that clear. The vote as of now is totally reasonable in my eyes. I stated multiple times that it is too early to judge, I totally get that.

The point of that post was that it bothers me to see so many W’s fans discounting his accomplishments thus far. The guy absolutely earned those stats that make him the best center in the west. Whether he will continue to earn that spot is obviously a question mark but lets give the guy some props for what he’s done so far. That’s all I was trying to say.

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by olympicmike on Nov 16, 2008 8:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

anybody know

where iggy went?

by saintdee on Nov 16, 2008 1:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

yeah

take a Love take a Gay

sometimes people don’t want to talk hoops, they just come here to act a fool.

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 16, 2008 4:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

trade for Biedrins to the Bay

sometimes people don’t want to talk hoops, they just come here to act a fool.

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 16, 2008 4:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

17/15 on 50+% percent shooting.

That doesn’t happen too many times unless you’re a REALLY GOOD player.

A lot of people around the league respect Andris Biedrins right now, but they also believe that his stats are a little inflated. He’s still respected, though.

by Five Ten Entertainment on Nov 16, 2008 2:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

They may believe that his stats are a little inflated, but they’d be wrong to think that they’re inflated that much. If you adjust for game pace, he’s more of a 15.5/14.5 oon 50+ shooting, which doesn’t happen too many times unless you’re a REALLY GOOD player. Problem is the average person doesn’t know much about math and as such someone who concludes “it’s inflated” has a tough time discerning between numbers being twice what they’d be under other circumstances to something that’s 5 to 7 inflated.

To those people, Andris should simply say this.

by jae on Nov 16, 2008 7:01 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That's funny...

But who’s the idiot who chose that color scheme?

"No no Nene!"
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 17, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

man this is soooooooooo simple.

1) yao ming will be voted in by chinese fans by a huge margin for he rest of his career.
2) a center will NEVER be voted onto a backup spot, for obvious reasons.
end of story

I'm keen on the professional basketball club The Golden State Warriors. I don't fancy other clubs.

by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Nov 16, 2008 7:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Um...

You are aware that they are required to have at least one center reserve right? Don’t you have a hockey game you should be watching? =P

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by olympicmike on Nov 16, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

look...

if i want to talk out of my ass, could you just go along with it? i have a delicate disposition…

I'm keen on the professional basketball club The Golden State Warriors. I don't fancy other clubs.

by The Bimbo Coles Experience on Nov 16, 2008 8:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No problem...

In the future I will clear the way for your “ass-speak”. haha.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Nov 16, 2008 8:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how it'll work, but...

I have a hard time seeing anybody but Yao & Shaq getting the nod. Yao because he’s going to get ~1 Billion votes, Shaq because he has 4 rings. And if not them, Jefferson is gonna get it because he has the 20/10 numbers as you mentioned. Sigh. He deserves it, but just like people saying “Buke deserves 30+ minutes per game!!!”, there are only so many spots on the All Star team and only so many minutes in a basketball game. My only All Star weekend hope is that Morrow somehow keeps it up and makes the rookie game. Long shot, but he did just set a rookie record…

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 17, 2008 1:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Morrow

I’d like to see him in the three point contest. That would be fun to watch.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Nov 17, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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