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For many people the Warriors are in a never ending state of dysfunction. We show promise for 3 or 4 years to then return to mediocrity with a glimmer of hope for the future. LETS FACE IT.... No one on our roster (besides monta's potential before the crash) seems to be able to command double teams and single handedly change a game. We had that in Baron Davis and Jason Richardson. No team who has won a championship or seriously competed for one not had a game changer or a core of great players who fit their roles. The warriors seem like a team filled with shooters, slashers and rebounders. That doesnt sound championship material.

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HONESTLY, STEPHEN JACKSON IS OUR TOP SCORER ON OUR TEAM. WHILE ON THE CHAMPIONSHIP SPURS HE WAS A ROLE PLAYER NOT ASKED TO DO TOO MUCH. How can we expect to compete for a championship with him at the center of our plans. Sure we all love Jacks key 3's*(when he actually hits them) and his energy but we are screwed if he becomes the face of the franchise.

I believe having a strategy with key roles for all of our players can ultimately win us a championship:

PG: A Defensive minded, good passing point guard

SG/Star Player: Monta Could be our A.I. and he could just shoot and drive and make game changing plays without worrying about ppoint guard duties.

SF: Anthony Randolph could be one of our main ball handler and a big defensive presence. He could be a huge factor in small ball too.

PF: Wright shows flashes of stardom. If he gains 15 more pounds and develops a go-to post move with a solid mid range shot he would be a hard man to handle.

C: Biedrins has shown he is one of the best rebounders in the league. He still is scoring 17 a game with very few post moves. If he got his weight up to around 250 and developed his post game a little more there is no reason to doubt 20-10 seasons from him.

Shooter: Morrow could be the 3 point specialist our 3 happy team needed. If he could be a 40-50 percent 3 point shooter while scoring 10-15 a game it would help the team very much.

Big Man: Richard Hendrix and Ronny Turiaf would have the meat on their bones to be presences defensively and difficult guards for opposing teams due to their strength, athletism, and quickness.

6th/7th Man: Stephen and Azubuike would be nice all around scorers off the bench someone to help out the pg duties while our pg would be out. Buike would be the efficent scorer who would score 10 in 20 minutes and stephen would provide clutch shots and defense.

The perfect coach to lead this team would be Rick Adelman because he would get this team to score 100-110 points a game while keeping the defense at a 97-104 points a game level unlike Nelson. He would incorporate small ball at times while using the half court offense in key, close situations.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on this post and hopefully it is good enough not to get deleted. THANKS GSOM

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championships teams are the same, and you seem to think there is only one way to win a championship. throughout the history of bball a championship their are specifc ascets a team needs but they do not have to fit the exact description you gave

jackson has grown a lot as a player since he was in san antonio. back then all he did was stand in the corner shoot 3’s and play good defense sort of like bruce bowen. and that was one of the roles designed by popovic. since then jackson has developed good court vision, a reliable shot (though his shot selection is questionable), good post moves and hes built on his defense now guarding elite players of the league and doing a good job.

we have a lot of slashers but we also have one of the best in the league, corey maggette. and i think monta can be an effective tony parker type pg, except a better scorer with equal passing abilities.

by montamazing on Nov 16, 2008 11:24 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i wish he would just

hit the corner shot and play d. kind of like pietrus was supposed to do, only he sucked at it. the guy takes 20 shots to score 22 points.

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 17, 2008 9:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

kind of like pietrus was supposed to do, only he sucked at it.

Because he was not a shooter. It was Nellie’s idea to have him sit at the corner chucking up 3s when he’s not really a pure shooter.

by lightz0ut on Nov 18, 2008 10:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, he's gotta do something on offense

That’s about as low as you’re going to get. “Stand in the corner, go practice that shot.” If he can hit that shot, he keeps the defense honest. It’s also a good spot for a kickout, etc. It’s better than him standing at half court while the rest of the team plays 4 on 5.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 18, 2008 1:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have some quibbles.

- Jack will not end up as the top scorer on the team. Monta will surpass him, and if Maggette’s good to go, he’ll probably surpass Jack as well. Jack’s current run as Mr. Everything is due to circumstance… that’s not the plan.

- PG: Before long, we’ll be playing a very good player at point guard. Will he be sufficiently point guard-y? Hard to say right now. But the most ring-laden point guard of the last twenty years is Tony Parker, a player who profiles very similarly to Monta. Monta does need to get better defensively, no matter what position he plays. Watson is an okay backup, no better, no worse.

- SG: Ideally, this won’t be Monta… lest we forget, AI has never won a championship. Jack has this slot for the foreseeable future, which is a mixed bag that we’ve all discussed to death lately, Better that he’s here than at the 3, where his inability to rebound is a bigger issue. ‘Buike probably slots in best here too, and would hold down the position decently if Jack moved on. Morrow’s not worth considering in future plans just yet.

- SF: I don’t want to be a hater, but I’m still open to the idea that Randolph may never be anything. He’s freakishly talented, but there’ve been a number of guys like that who never panned out. Randolph has played poorly so far. Have there been fun flashes? Sure. But he’s by no means someone we can count on down the road, which is why I’m glad Corey Maggette, a good player, is in the picture.

- PF: I agree with you here, Wright shows some real potential. We could probably use another body here to limit his minutes while he develops… Maggette at the 4 is interesting, but not something we should have to rely on consistently. I’m assuming Al is as good as gone.

- C: Biedrins is really, really, really good. And Turiaf’s an excellent backup.

——————-

Is this a championship-level core? Probably not… most teams don’t have that. But it’s a good core. There’s youth, athleticism, flexibility and upside. There’s a lot to be excited about.

The biggest variable, by far, is Monta’s ability to play the point. If he can hang there, the future of the franchise is absolutely rosy, as the distribution of talent will start to make sense really quickly. If he can’t, things are muddier… we’ll probably need a PG who can defend SGs, and those don’t grow on trees.

There’s really no way to know what this team is till Monta comes back, and even then, it’ll take a while to get a sense. But nothing about the season thus far should make people pessimistic about the future. There’s been plenty of good to go with the bad, and a lot of the bad is easily remedied. As counterintuitive as it sounds to a Warrior fan ear, there’s no reason to worry just yet.

by onlxn on Nov 16, 2008 11:47 PM PST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Someone do a Point-By-Point Comparison

Of 4 Teams (or 3) of the two teams with the Best and Worst record, and the two teams that made it into the championship. I would but, I’m no JAE, or Sleepy, or any other big analyst.

So whose up for it? What makes championship teams good?

If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh

by StephenO4 on Nov 16, 2008 11:49 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What makes a championship team good? Having better players and having them play better. It helps to have a dominant big man because the difference between good bigs and average bigs is usually greater than the difference between good guards and average guards. Teams that win shoot well and rebound well and don’t turn the ball over much.

by jae on Nov 17, 2008 12:43 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh!!

Also scoring more points than your opponent! That helps too!

Yeah, no single solution, but a very simple overall methodology. Get good players, pay them what they’re worth, trade when you smell blood in the water and can get the upper hand.

Quality bigs do tend to be much more rare than quality wings/guards and they tend to be far more unstoppable/impenetrable. But, how do you get those quality players? Luck, plain and simple. Either through the draft (either luck in winning the lotto – Tim Duncan, or luck in drafting a project and having it pan out), or through a great player wanting to leave a bad situation and being able to do so AND simultaneously having the talent pool to be able to make a good trade offer while simultaneously being able to hold onto enough talent to make a run at a championship (See: KG, Shaq).

So, you can make your situation better by:
A) Winning the lotto (no control of this one though)
B) Draft good players
C) Amass a team of good players who are not overpaid so that you can take advantage of a trade opportunity when it arises.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 18, 2008 7:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he got his weight up to around 250 and developed his post game a little more there is no reason to doubt 20-10 seasons from him.

Why would you want his rebounding to decline that much?

by jae on Nov 17, 2008 12:43 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice post

that makes me smile

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 17, 2008 9:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my take on warriors

PG: This has to be Monta if he has to dribble all practice so be it but i cant think of a big point thats not locked down for years ex:BDavis, DWilliams, CBillups

SG: Jackson as the starter I know people are looking at his early numbers but these mean nothing because he gets the best defender on him. He also gets the double team’s which will change big time soon when Monta is back and Maggs is 100%. Those 3’s your all mad about will be wide open and going in so no doggin’ Capty
 (side note) buike should grab 20 minutes a game as a sub for the 2 and 3 spot

SF: Maggs holds down the starting position. Heres why, all teams know he is a threat on Offense and he can slow the game when we need it with his almost effortless ability to get to the line
(side note) i dont see maggs as a 40 minute guy so there is plenty of time out there at this position for our young crop

PF: Our Weakness!! I know most of you like and want Wright and he could be really good in the future for all i know but he cant hold this down as of RIGHT NOW!! we definately need help here if i had it my way RONNY would be starting but i know we need him to back up Mr. Double Double. So i’m just hoping and praying we get a game ready PF for AL and some garbage.
(side note) crossing fingers we save enough cap room to make a run at Amare in 2010)

C: We all know this

I think this is our best shot at a playoff line up but if we want to talk championships we need a superstar plain and simple. Look at championship teams and you see that right away except for Detriot who just has 4 all-stars instead of 1 superstar. Monta is who the franchise is on so im hoping he becomes the dominant force we think he can be but until then playoffs people playoffs.

by Warriorfan on Nov 17, 2008 3:07 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hopefully it is good enough not to get deleted

  Not yet at least. I agree with most of your stuff , especially playing Montay as a shooter instead of at point. I don’t think Rudolf has proven any NBA quality ability yet so I’d wait on him. Don’t underestimate the value of Jax, he’s the straw that stirs the drink. Dris might lose his quickness and mobility if he gained that weight so be carefull what you wish for, I’d try to sell high on him and get a center with moves and shots but that’s just my preference, I could also live with what he brings now. Can also live with More-O and his 30 plus points and 10 rebounds per night.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 17, 2008 9:40 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PG

you don’t need a big point guard to win a championship parker? rondo? scronny but quick as hell remind you of someone that will be back in a little over a month?

by FeartheBeard4 on Nov 17, 2008 2:13 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

give Monta's defense time

He has the quickness to be a great defender, just give it time, most of his mishaps are mental mistakes not that he isn’t quick enough. Hopefully he can learn that defense is just as or more important than offense is through time

by FeartheBeard4 on Nov 17, 2008 9:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he isn’t quick enough?

    or he isn’t quick witted enough?

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 17, 2008 10:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The key is power forward

Either Brandon Wright becomes what we all want to be which is obviously hard to predict. Or
somehow we pull off some kind of trade for one.

by FeartheBeard4 on Nov 17, 2008 2:16 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree

we dont really need a superstar point guard. just a solid guard who can play some D and dish out a good number of assists, maybe 8 or 9 per game. a real good solid PF would be perfect. we already have AB and it would help him out on rebounds so e doesnt need to spend so much energy on rebounding. we could also use a guy inside who has some post moves, because Ab’s moves are very limited.

Go Dubs!!!!!!

by ballinpnoysoulja on Nov 17, 2008 6:51 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Al isn't traded, or we don't get a starting 4 from the trade...

the lineup will most likely look like this

PG:Monta
SG:Buike
SF:Jax
PF:Maggette
C:Biedrins

We would have Morrow, Wright, Watson, and Turiaf off the bench, unless Morrow is a real shooter who can shoot lights out consistantly, than Buike is our 6th man.

I’m not necessarily a fan of this lineup, and I’m pretty sure most of you wont be. But that is a typical Nellie small ball lineup, and he thinks Maggette at the 4 is our best lineup.

Remember the 2006 playoffs Jackson played a lot of four with Monta Baron and J Rich all on the floor This is essentially a bigger version of that. Maggette is way more suited to play the 4 than Jack and we would only have one player with a pg’s body on the floor vs 2 with Baron and Monta. We’ll also be packing the heat with Maggette and Buike on the floor together

by myk on Nov 17, 2008 8:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Morrow is a beast I would prefer he starts

That way we have someone on the floor, besides Jack, who prefers the jump shot over the drive and also can shoot the 3. Buike, Monta, and Corey all prefer to drive. AB is obviously not shooting from more than a few feet away. Plus, much like Nellie, I prefer Buike to come in off the bench as the superstar 6th man that can come in and relieve the majority of the starters. If Morrow turns out to be as productive as Buike, or somewhere in that range, we have a hell of a lineup!!!

I think Nellie will start BWright if we are playing huge lineups, but I guess tomorrow night will test that theory….

by myk on Nov 17, 2008 10:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey!

You know who I’d like to see in a Dubs Uni?!?!? That autistic kid who scored like 20 points in 3 minutes! He’s awesome! Since he can shoot like that, screw defense! 20 points in 3 minutes?!?!?! That’s like 320 points a game! We’d be unstoppable!

Morrow had a good game. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves and extrapolate one game where he got hot (75% from the field and 80% from 3) to him consistently shooting well in his NBA career. There’s a reason he didn’t get drafted. Maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll be useful, or even an above average NBA player, but let’s not start putting him in the starting lineup over proven veterans until he shows some consistency.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 18, 2008 7:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fun lineup but...

ya that lineup is fun and is definite Nellie ball material and could be very effective in certain situations. But it would get killed against teams like lake show, jazz, blazers, suns. Packing the heat I like that, who knows maybe that lineup could provide enough offense and enough scrap to win some games but we still need a legit PF.

by FeartheBeard4 on Nov 17, 2008 9:54 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so would almost any lineup we put out...

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 17, 2008 10:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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