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Jack signs extension and Nets trade off (for now)

http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStories.asp?lc=NBA&c=1&TEAM_ID=&PLAYER_ID=&hd=20081117#STORY_13993

 

Remember that contract extension Stephen Jackson said he was getting. He got it. After holding onto the contract for days, he inked it. I’ve heard it was for three years, $28 million, but haven’t gotten that from a reliable source yet. I’m sure it’s in that ballpark though. Will give you more info after practice.

 

 

So Jack got his extension and though i am happy is 3 years 28 to much for jack?Especially since he's gonna wear down soon with all those minutes he's been playing  Also:

The Nets have had talks with Golden State involving multiple players, including unhappy Warriors Al Harrington and Marco Bellinelli. The Warriors wanted either Josh Boone or Sean Williams. The Nets weren't interested. Eventually, they likely will make a trade. The Nets have seven power forwards/centers, but currently only four healthy so nothing is imminent.

 

Can we PLEASE buyout Al or trade him within the next 2-3 weeks i am tired of him being on the team especially if he's "hurt". I really like Al but he doesnt want to be here so he needs to go. 

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Thats a good signing and cheap

When hte likes of Kaman and others getting way more money that was a good signing by the W’s!

by smearthebeard on Nov 17, 2008 2:07 PM PST   0 recs

+1

9 mil a year for 3 is a decent contract peoples

by dso on Nov 17, 2008 8:20 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The problem isn’t that it’s ~$9mil for three seasons so much as it’s $9mil for three seasons starting two seasons from now. This means he’ll be making ~$10mil as a 35 year old. Escalating salaries as play declines is not a good idea.

by jae on Nov 17, 2008 10:24 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

you KNOW there's empirical proof that play declines for wings FROM 35

up that point it’s hard to forward an argument for declining play.

especially considered jackson’s play style.

i think jackson will be our version of cliff robinson

by dso on Nov 18, 2008 4:20 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

actually nevermind

there’s more proof for number of NBA games played than age.

jackson’s a relative youngster in those terms

by dso on Nov 18, 2008 5:59 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

i

just felt bad that the year he came here was the year the pistons won the championship poor him.

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 18, 2008 2:05 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Jackson extension

is great. Not way too long where all he’d be is emotional support in his last year, but he’s locked up for pretty much the rest of his"prime." No it’s not too much money because he’s be tired after too many minutes. If he plays then it’s not too much money, especially if he earns it.

Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement

by StSaints408 on Nov 17, 2008 2:08 PM PST   0 recs

yea

thats a much better deal than I thought it was gonna be. At worst he starts to decline and next year and we have to wait one more year to unload him as an expiring. Glad it was only 3 years.

by sam23 on Nov 17, 2008 2:11 PM PST   0 recs

i'm not sure you understand what an extension is...

that’s 3 years 28 mill tacked on to the current contract. so, including this season, 5 yrs 42 mill ish.

by the evil monkey on Nov 17, 2008 3:10 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The way extentions work.

He wasn’t allowed to sign for any more per year. Only a certain percent higher than his current deal which is 7 mill. Now not sure what you were expecting, but this was the highest allowed.

by The Golden One on Nov 17, 2008 5:54 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

love it

not to long and not to much money. He is our leader he brings confidence and swagger to this team.

by FeartheBeard4 on Nov 17, 2008 2:22 PM PST   0 recs

beautiful

nice work dubs! perfect extension!

by bayareaballa on Nov 17, 2008 2:24 PM PST   0 recs

GOOD for Capt JACK

When he gets a little scoring help, you can figure he will be able to settle into 32 mins per of tough D, great passing, third option scoring. We also get impassioned leadership and on the court teaching for the next few years. He is in excellent shape and is smart enough to play his style of ball at this level for at least another three years, provided Nelly limits his minutes to a sane level. If he falls off in the fourth, it is likely we will be indebted to him enough to justify his salary.

Good move management.

Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

by fotd on Nov 17, 2008 2:30 PM PST   0 recs

congrats Jack

(damn -and i was wasting my time at Cohn Zohn :( )

sometimes people don’t want to talk hoops, they just come here to act a fool.

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 17, 2008 2:42 PM PST   0 recs

Trade him

+ Al + Marco for Vince Carter + someone else.

So we can get ride of his pathetic shooting selection, low fg, nba-worst 3pt fg, nba-high 10 turnovers/game (direct or indirectly).

And there’s more: he can’t dribble and his attempts to shake someone off his (slow)fakes are pathetic….. he’s an athletic 6’8" SF who plays 45+min/game and JUST CAN’T REBOUND!!!! 3.8rebs/game with this favorable numbers??? Please…

I’m sorry, but he’s not the same as last year… at leat 3 of our losses were directly linked to his poor performance late in the game – and I mean POOR.

Now that Baron is gone, he thinks he’s Michael Jordan – and has acted like him since then. So we should trade him away while the rest of the teams still thinks the same.

[ ]’s

=Gaucho=

by Gaucho! on Nov 17, 2008 2:46 PM PST   0 recs

i

cant tell if your trolling or being serious.

by saintdee on Nov 17, 2008 2:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm serious

Seriously ;-)

=Gaucho=

by Gaucho! on Nov 17, 2008 4:05 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

your seriously

stupid if you believe what you just wrote. seriously.

but really i would take jackson over vince carter by himself. jackson’s puttin up better number than him

by montamazing on Nov 17, 2008 5:42 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

"jackson’s puttin up better number than him"

no he’s not:

Jackson: Carter:
Min: 43.4 36.7
FG: 38.1 46.9%
3Pt: 26.7 38.6%
Ft: 76.8 77.6%
Reb: 3.9 3.8
Asst: 6.4 5.3
To: 3.7 2.33
Stls; 1.30 1
Pts: 22.1 23.8

Agree that carter is lazy and is no leader (and will never be). But I’ll pick Carter over Jackson all life long. And please don’t call me stupid, there’s no stupidness in what I said, there are pure numbers and facts.

Ok, I know that leadership is not measurable by numbers and of course Jack is an excellent leader but my understanding of the situation is that, at this point, we need more consistent numbers from him rather than leadership.

Don’t you think?

=Gaucho=

by Gaucho! on Nov 17, 2008 6:40 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

rofl @ picking carter over jackson

leadership plus stats > stats and no heart

by dso on Nov 17, 2008 7:59 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

The stats look dead even to me...

…But you want to also throw in Harrington and Belinelli. So that is WAY too much for a guy that quits on his team any night he feels like it. Carter might be slightly better than Jackson, but better than all three? Your favorite word, stupid.

by JoeBarelyCares on Nov 17, 2008 8:02 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Dude..

seriously!
If someone brushes up against VC he is hurt. Watch him, it,s good TV. He is always holding something and wincing after every play. He’s soft and he has no HEART.
Why would you want a guy like that making these types of impressions on our young guys? Thats just STUPID

by highflya on Nov 17, 2008 9:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Every team needs a scorer

Until Monta’s back, until Maggette asserts himself, until Biedrins gets some go-to moves… we have Jackson. He’s a terrible 1st option, but is it his fault his team sucks?

He’s not athletic. He’s not terribly talented, not a great dribbler, not a great creator, not a good rebounder. He has never been those, not last year, not as a member of the world champion Spurs.

Imagine if we get a star- Bosh, Lebron, the next Lebron via draft, Morrow- what’s our last piece? Someone who can hit clutch open 3s, defend, lead. Oh wait we already have that piece. Let’s not give it away for Carter and Yi Jianlian.

by antihero on Nov 17, 2008 3:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Did you just compare LeBron and Morrow

Really? Morrow is nowhere near the level of LeBron and will never be HALF as good as him. He’s only somewhat comparable to Michael Redd, and even to do that, we have to see some more of him.

But I do agree that S-Jax needs to stay, and that Gaucho is a retard for wanting to trade him for overpaid, doesn’t care anymore, Vince Carter.

Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement

by StSaints408 on Nov 17, 2008 3:05 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Ok, no Carter, then

who?

Please find another option.

Thanks

=Gaucho=

by Gaucho! on Nov 17, 2008 4:06 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

None.

Jax is kept.

Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement

by StSaints408 on Nov 17, 2008 4:53 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

No one will be willing to trade for Jack with his new contract.

This extension puts him at around 5 years, (counting this year) 43 million. Why would any NBA team trade for a slightly above average SF (who has inflated numbers because of the Warriors team and system) that has a “pricey” contract lasting into his mid 30’s.

by DuikeBuike on Nov 17, 2008 3:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Why would you want to trade him these next few years?

And if you did, what do you think we could get in return? We have enough promising talent as it is. We don t need more. We need his kind of veteran leadership.

Why do you think Nellie is playing him to death? If Nellie could use Maggette, or Buike, or Morrow, or Marco, or CJ, or … don’t you think he would?

No one on this team has the court vision Jack has. No one on this team can pass like Jack can. No one on this team can guard the other team’s star PG, SG, or SF like Jack can. He makes everyone around him better. Yes, I get frustrated too at some of the quick 3s he hoists, but I’ll take that all day for what else he brings. And maybe even that will improve when he gets another ten mins per game rest and other scoring options become available.

Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

by fotd on Nov 17, 2008 3:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

First off, I can acknowledge your point.

Secondly, I did not say I wanted to trade Jax. I was replying to another comment earlier in the thread.

IMO, Jack is great for this team right now, and for next year, but to have him for 9 mil per for the three years following the 09-10 season, I don’t see how this deal is worth the money.

I could see him possibly blocking a younger player, or preventing the Warriors from signing an impact player in their prime.

Hopefully I’m wrong, but with Jackson’s current age and the direction this team is heading, I do not approve the deal.

by DuikeBuike on Nov 17, 2008 3:37 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Sippin too much Jin and Juice

Gaucho, you’ve been spending too much time on Del Playa. Vince Carter? Over our fearless leader Jack?

Stack has stepped up his game and is the man! The only leader we’ve got right now. You think Vince Carter is gonna take a team and put them on his back??? helllllls no! He’d be like “oh my back hurts I can’t play coach” and straight quit on the dubs. Not Stack! That fool charges! Not only is Action Jackson straight gangsta, but he’s ice cold too. Dude has no fear! All I want for Christmas is for Stack to drop tre’s on our enemies. I don’t even care how many shots he takes. I say unload that clip Stack! Let em rain down like thunderbolts from the gods above! Sick D. Drops daggers. Distributes the ball. Clone that fool for future Dubs teams!!! This man is the heart of our team right now. Rebounding? That’s what we’ve got Beans and B-dub for. AR is coming up too don’t sleep!

If we make any trades they need to involve lots of 40 ounces and a point guard. Keep Rambo. Keep Stack. Trade Big Al. (Or buy him out). Rep hard for the Dubs. Don’t forget about the daggers!

PS Lebron to the BAY!!! Start the movement!!!

"Hold it down for the bay rep'n Oakland" --Keak Da Sneak

by KingCobra on Nov 17, 2008 4:26 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

like I said above

ok, I don’t like Vince all that, I agree that he’s as lazy as Oliver Miller, but at least he’s putting up some very good numbers. (Pass the leadership of this team to someone else in this case)

So who could we bring in exchange for Jack + Al (+ possibly Marco)??

=Gaucho=

by Gaucho! on Nov 17, 2008 4:36 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Numbers

Maybe you haven’t noticed but Jack is putting up some pretty good numbers himself?

Leaders are hard to come by. I’d go to battle with Stack any day of the week! And I think the team feels the same way. Why break that up?

I know he (Stack) can drive people crazy sometimes. I used to go nuts when he would try to do to much. But now I just go with it. I say “Do too much Stack” and I yell for him to “act crazy”! Because most of the time he gets the job done! Let Stack be Stack. As long as you don’t expect Stack to be Lebron you will be happy. Drinking 40’s helps too. Also I recommend getting loc’d when he drops a three on some fool. Pound a beer and yell things like “THUG LIFE FOOL” or "STACK FOR PRES!" stuff like that… it makes things fun.

Anyway, I’m all about a trade with Big Al. He doesn’t want to be here so let him go. And as much as I like cheering like crazy when Rambo drops a three from the corner I guess I could part with him as well.

But really, when it comes right down to it, I think we should give this team some time to Jell. I really think they are going to be a good team given some time to blend together. You know, like a 40 oz and Kool-aid. You have to swish that stuff together for a bit before you drink it! Everyone is always antsy to make the next trade… but why? Ain’t like we’ve never had a playoff drought before…. I miss J-rich. I miss Baron. Maybe I’m crazy for saying this, but just think how amazing this team could be right now if we had kept some of the same pieces together for a few years and had an owner who would spend some bank to win.

Sell the team Cgrade. Fire Rowelloser

"Hold it down for the bay rep'n Oakland" --Keak Da Sneak

by KingCobra on Nov 17, 2008 5:45 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe you haven’t noticed but Jack is putting up some pretty good numbers himself?

The peculiar an seemingly inappropriate question mark at the end of the sentence makes it impossible to know if you’re questioning that Jax is putting up good numbers or saying that he is. Either way, he is not putting up good numbers. He’s scoring 22ppg but taking 19 shots to do this. He is hitting 38% from the floor and 27% from behind the arc. His rebounding is down from what it was a year ago per minute when it wasn’t acceptable for an off guard. While he’s doing an admirable job of distributing for an off guard, he is turning the ball over quite a bit as well.

There may be things that are good about how Jax is playing, but the numbers are not really good.

by jae on Nov 17, 2008 5:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

bottom line

is jackson has led this team to a 4-6 record minus three starters. how will you refute that

by montamazing on Nov 17, 2008 6:05 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

So he’s good enough for them to be mediocre.

by jae on Nov 17, 2008 7:33 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

say now something about Baron's leadership

sometimes people don’t want to talk hoops, they just come here to act a fool.

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 17, 2008 8:08 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

That's pretty generous...

We lost to Memphis twice, Sacramento, and we beat a pretty bad Nets, depleted Denver team, Minnesota (in OT), and the Clippers. We’ve lost to the good teams and gone 50/50 against the bad teams.

I call for you to amend your statement to “He’s good enough for them to hang with NBA backwash”.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 18, 2008 6:20 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

he hasn't "led" much of anything

38% from the field, 26.7% from 3. he scores the most inefficient 22 points a game i’ve ever seen in my life. he’s averaging 19.4 shots per game to get those 22 points. if anything, the warriors have those 4 wins despite him.

who are the three starters we are missing? nelson decided harrington wasn’t going to start, regardless of injury. baron isn’t on the team anymore so he doesn’t count.

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Nov 17, 2008 9:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

His actual play has been horrendous, but to criticize him is to invite everyone out of the woodwork with excuse after excuse for why it’s everyone’s fault but Durant’s. How long will Durant be able to ride on the potential label?

by jae on Nov 18, 2008 8:33 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

How long will Durant be able to ride on the potential label?

  Are you saying you wouldn’t trade Jax for Durant?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 18, 2008 9:29 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I would, for a couple of reasons. #1: I don’t seem to think that Jax is as important as most. I think that the intangible leadership is overblown and people are reading far, far more into 6 games than they should. #2: the contract situation with Durant is much, much better. He has a better chance of getting better while being paid less. His college numbers and skill set suggest that Durant should be better and I’m willing to give him some slack that playing for PJ isn’t a recipe for doing well.

Cheaper, younger, and with more potential and not giving up an irreplaceable commodity: I’d make the trade.

But that said, since being drafted, Durant has been a major disappointment if you aren’t a member of the cult of points per game, if you actually care about things that win games. His rebounding was a huge strength in college, in a major conference. That almost none of that has translated to the pros seems peculiar. Lack of strength? Perhaps some, but he couldn’t rebound in the summer league either where one would think that competition would be more like the college game. Instead, it looks like many people, including KD have decided that what he must do is be a scorer. Problem is that this is only part of the game and since it’s the only part where he’s shown superficial success (high scoring average—superficial because it comes at the expense of high shooting volume which means it’s not really aiding to wins) he hasn’t been successful by any measure that actually matters in winning games.

Yes he’s playing on a terrible team and probably does draw more of the defense accordingly, but good players tend to deal with this. He hasn’t just been troubled some, he’s really, really struggling to get shots to drop. The effect of ‘being the focus’ or ‘having poor teammates’ on efficiency isn’t nearly as great as the people sticking up for Durant would make it out to be. This isn’t opinion. It’s objective observation based on the change in player’s efficiency as they change teams. It’s just not as big a factor in the majority of cases to somehow turn Durant from low efficiency to a good player. Yes, you can find anecdotal exceptions, guys who were held down by situation. If you’ve got them and want to “prove” me wrong by lisitng anecdotal evidence, save your key strokes. The plural of anecdote is not ‘fact.’ Maybe he’s one of the outliers. I wouldn’t bet on it though.

The hype of Durant was based on phenomenal college numbers—I really have been surprised by how bad he’s been because he was so good in college— and a skill set of ‘guard skills’ in a big man. Problem seems to be that the combination skill set is only useful if he’s playing a big man’s game with the versatility to change up on the wing. As a wing player, his ‘guard skills’ are pedestrian compared to smaller guards and he’s not able to use his height to his advantage. I think moving him to SG was a terrible move as his skills, great for a PF, are substandard for a SG. Maybe his lack of strength necessitates this, but if he doesn’t get significantly stronger to play more of a big man’s game more often, or doesn’t radically improve his perimeter skills, he’s not going to be valuable towards winning. He may continue to score many, many points, but it won’t be in a manner that helps his team win often.

It’s probably too soon to disregard what was amazing potential coming out of college, but at some point, if he continues to do what he’s done, one has to start questioning if the projections were really on target. There have been guys who put up numbers like his in college who haven’t panned out as the superstars that so many still seem to think that KD will be. Right now to suggest this you get back a list of excuses for why the comparison isn’t any good, why Durant is different, but they sound like excuses with hindsight. I can generate as many “future hindsight” explanations about Durant, but they’re just that: excuses.

I mostly marvel at how saying that Durant isn’t doing well and questioning if this indicates that he could wind up being a bust just seems to make people go apes*#t insane as if you’ve declared the sky green, said that up is down or advocated kicking puppies or something.

by jae on Nov 18, 2008 10:42 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

So...

You’re asking Durant to “bulk up” or “add 15-20 pounds of muscle”? I think I’ve heard that somewhere before… I think he just needs to actually try to be a rebounder instead of a shooter. But, then again, maybe his game is entirely predicated on being able to take advantage of the roster weaknesses found regularly in college games. Who knows, but he does stink up the joint right now.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 18, 2008 12:14 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Pssst jae

If you’re interested: on my Red Sox board, some dude named Sam Ray Not (who suspiciously resembles me) channeled some of your thoughts on Durant in a pretty interesting discussion: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=38455&st=40

As you can see, I’m buying what you’re selling on Durant (and re-selling it). It’s too early to make a definitive judgment, but I think we have seen enough to rule out Boston Sports Guy’s visions of a “once a generation” type-player. At this point I think Tracy McGrady is Durant’s absolute upside. KD may have a bit more “heart” than TMac, but TMac, at a similar age was much, much better at basically everything else.

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 18, 2008 1:00 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I think that’s about right vis a vis the upside potential, and I’d trade a non-star to get him still because of that. He may be a once a generation player, but in the same sense that Glenn Robinson was a once a generation player: amazing in college, considered a can’t miss who never achieves anything close to it in the pros. Guys with that much hype who flame out don’t happen all that often.

Honestly, I’ve got nothing against him. May be a great guy, and if he succeeds, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. I just wonder why so many people get positively offended at the notion that a) he’s not been very good (which he hasn’t) b) that scoring a ton of points through many shots isn’t a sign of being particularly good and c) why questioning that he won’t be a mega star because of what he’s done is somehow taboo.

(And before anyone starts flaming about how Robinson was different, wasn’t as “skilled” as Durant, I really think you should search archives on the scouting report to read just how marvelous people thought he’d be when he was still in school, how his combination of shooting ability and ‘toughness’ was unparalleled.)

by jae on Nov 18, 2008 1:41 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

KD at SG

I totally agree that this was a very poor decision. Not only does it not take advantage of some of his strengths (rebounding in particular) but it sends the wrong message to a young impressionable player. It basically says don’t worry about improving your strength and taking advantage of your frame, you can just chuck from the outside and we’ll be happy with that. IMO they should have played him at 3/4 and let him have the rude awakening that is playing against the real men in this league. That would have hopefully inspired a work ethic that could last his entire career instead of breeding a lazy chuckers mentality that could ruin what may have been a stellar career.

I still think he could turn out to be a good-great player but only if someone comes along and reminds him that he is a forward and he needs to work hard to achieve something in this league. He needs the binkey ripped out of his mouth IMO.

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by olympicmike on Nov 18, 2008 1:22 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Durant has been a major disappointment

       jae, You should submit this essay to the Oklahoma City newspaper, their readers would probably enjoy it.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 18, 2008 2:59 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Durant...

In looking at his numbers (all of them) I just don’t see how he could be disappointing? Maybe people just shouldn’t expect kids coming in with one year of college to be Jordan. I don’t remember the hype surrounding Durant being that much greater than let’s say Greg Oden. But his number are pretty respectable by “today’s” NBA standards. 46% from the field 33% from three. That’s just the NBA nowadays, decent. As far as average per attempt it seems as though he is just too perimeter oriented as he only gets to the line 5x’s a game; and for a guy with the ball in his hands as much as he is on that team he should have more. But 80-some % from the line is good. BTW – being perimeter oriented may explain his lack of rebounding at this level too.

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by triplesix on Nov 18, 2008 3:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

#1 reason:

He stopped rebounding. Like, alarmingly so: from 11.1 rebounds/36 as a Longhorn to 4.5/36 as a pro (with absolutely zero improvement so far in his sophomore campaign). I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a steep dropoff in rebounding #s, which, as JAE often points out, tend not to vary much over the course of a player’s career. Some of the decline can be attributed to his switch to SG, but not all of it. A wing player with his size and athleticism can and should do much better. By way of comparison, Tracy McGrady, on whom Durant has at least two inches, ripped down 8.2 and 9.0 boards per 36 in his age 18 and 19 seasons.

#2: if he is truly a shooting guard, he needs to distribute the rock much better and take much better care of it. He’s currently averaging 2.1 dimes and 3.5 turnovers per 36: unheard of for a “guard.” (Career 2.5/3.1, slightly better but still godawful). Compare TMac, who averaged 3.0 and 3.7 ast/36 his first two seasons, while turning it over far less: 2.0 and 2.6 per 36.

#3: he shows depressingly interest in D: career 1.0 steals per 36 and 0.9 blocks. Again, enter TMac: 1.5 and 1.7 steals his first two seasons, and 1.9 and 2.1 blocks.

Yeah, yeah, youth, bad team, etc. Whatever. Durant’s 20 now. Remember: we’re not talking about an average young player. We’re talking about a guy who, coming out of college, many expected to be a generational, Jordan-like talent. So far he’s not even in the same league as Tracy McGrady, who himself has never quite attained generational status.

I totally agree with Olympic Mike: not quite sure what a “binkey” is, but someone, a taskmaster like Riley or even Nellie, needs to get in this kid’s face and impress upon him what an utter waste of talent he risks being if he doesn’t get his crap together soon. Tall dudes who like to hang out the perimeter and chuck threes are a dime a dozen. The longer he lives out there and gets comfortable, the more he starts to resemble Rashard Lewis or Andrea Bargnani. Already, dreams of anything close to a BirdMagicJordan-like career appear to have gone straight down the tubes.

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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 18, 2008 5:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

That’s pretty much it. I’d add that his shooting this year appears to be better than it was a year ago, though we’re still looking at small sample sizes. A bad game can make his season stats look bad, a good game the same in the other direction. It improved over the course of last year, so maybe he’s figuring out shot selection. For what it’s worth the average for all players, all positions is 45. SF/SGs tend to be real close to average with point guards below it and bigs above it. Average 3 pt % is about 35. So by these standards, this year he’s a bit under the average for every player in the league. He’s done a reasonable (not great, reasonable) job of getting to the line which makes some of this more tolerable.

It’s just for a guy who was supposed to have do everything skills, he’s shown very, very little.

The rebounding is the real kicker. Maybe coaching is somewhat to blame but “being on the perimeter” doesn’t explain it all. He’s still a whole lot closer to seven feet tall than he is to 6 feet tall, but presently he’s got a career average below Rajon Rondo’s average, 0.1 (not one, zero point one) rebounds per 36 above Kyle Lowry’s career average and is equal to CJ Watson’s average. Being on the wing cuts down your rebounds, but being big should still help you have an advantage over 6 footers. OK, Watson’s 6-2, Rondo’s 6-1. But you get the picture. He is getting nothing out of the fact that he towers over guys on the wing, nothing but that he’s not any better at shooting from out there than the average player and not as good at taking care of the ball.

He was hyped as a once in a career type of talent. He’s not even performing as a once in a draft sort of talent.

by jae on Nov 18, 2008 6:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

While his FG% is better....

His scoring efficiency is still abysmal. The bemoaned Stephen Jackson scores more efficiently. Look down at #12 and #13 on the NBA scoring leader list.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbascoring&league=nba&sort=pts&season=2009

Yep, that’s Jackson scoring a hair more points than Durant on a hair fewer shots. You can’t bemoan Jackson’s scoring efficiency while simultaneously saying that Durant’s isn’t that bad. Durant is not an efficient scorer, he doesn’t rebound well, and he doesn’t play defense all that great. So, tell us exactly, what is so great about this kid? Besides that he’s super long and has upside potential.

"No no Nene!"
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 19, 2008 7:58 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Don't get me wrong...

I’m not a Kevin Durant fan and I’m not defending his “upside” or “potential” and while I agree that if you view him through the perspective of pre-draft hype you may be disappointed. However, hype is not reality and seldom do players live up to it (especially with little to no college ball). I have a tendency to reserve judgement on the greatness of players until they actually play in the NBA. The reality is that Kevin Durant is a good NBA player – not great – and I don’t see anything disappointing about that. Now if he was getting payed a max contract I might be disappointed in the management (see Dunleavy, Foyle, etc.) or if he performed for a contract and then put his game on cruise control (see Dampier, Shaq, etc.) I might be dissapointed in them as players.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Nov 19, 2008 9:13 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I see your point...

You couldn’t give the average NBA rookie that much responsibility and have him perform as well as Durant has performed, but I would argue that he’s not yet a “good NBA player”. He does not rebound well, score efficiently, or play good defense. He is certainly one of the reasons his team has the worst record in the league. He can be considered a “good young NBA player”, but in a single game, I’d rather have Jerry Stackhouse than Kevin Durant.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 19, 2008 9:56 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

point taken..

I should rephrase to say that he is playing well in the NBA – not a good NBA player, you are right they are different. A good NBA player has to do many things well – isn’t that why Nellie keeps saying his young guys aren’t “NBA ready”?

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Nov 19, 2008 10:50 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, pretty much

Though, if any of these guys was singularly talented at a single skill, they’d get PT too. Ben Wallace is a good example. If Durant was able to score 30 on 18FGA’s, he’d fall into that category, but he doesn’t… yet.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 19, 2008 10:53 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

I don’t think that I’d say he’s playing well. He’s moving towards average…for a shooting guard. If moving towards average is playing well, sure. Based on his hype, he’s approaching major flop. On the Thunder, he should continue to get PT because they don’t really have better options. On a number of teams, he would be better served sitting on the bench. The high scoring average makes him look like more of an asset than he is though and I suspect many a coach would continue to play him to the detriment of their team’s performance.

by jae on Nov 19, 2008 11:32 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

to each their own...

is he playing well on a bad team? – is he playing decent for a 20 year old? – is he the reason (or one of) why the Sonics/thunder are the worst team in the league? – All possibilities. Like I said earlier – it’s hard for me to say he’s “disappointing” thus far – but then again I didn’t believe the hype and think he was going to be the savior of a franchise.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Nov 19, 2008 11:55 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

to each their own...

  Yeah, After watching Jordan for so many years I was not impressed the first time I saw Kobe play :>)
    Durant might take a while to get up to NBA speed but his resume says he should excel . Being on Okla can’t be easy, they don’t have too many good players to teach him or take the defensive pressure off him. I think the best way to find out his true potential would be for the Thunder to trade him to us for say Montay and see how Durant does here ?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 19, 2008 2:48 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

His resume also says he should be grabbing more rebounds

But he’s not. And his NBA resume of not grabbing rebounds is getting longer by the game. Monta for Durant is a sideways move at best, kind of like Monta’s ankle this summer. ZING!!!

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 19, 2008 2:52 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Numbers...

are pretty comparable to Carmelo Anthony’s first two years and remember Carmelo averaged 10 RPG in his freshman year.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Nov 19, 2008 2:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Numbers...

are pretty comparable to Carmelo Anthony’s first two years and remember Carmelo averaged 10 RPG in his freshman year in college too.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Nov 19, 2008 2:57 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Melo scored 21 on 18 his first year

Then 21 on 16.5 his second year. Sure, it’s early and we’ll see. It’s a good comparison, but remind me exactly what Melo has done in this league. How far have the Nuggets