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does anyone else think that buke should play less?

why is it that as soon as buke learns how to create his own offense he can't knock down a shot to save his life.  His handles have improved so much, he actually has moves now.  sorry for the people that love him so much, he didn't have any game last year!  he could just hit the open shots and finish when he had an open lane.  I like what I see this year from him with his offense and his finishing but he cannot shoot!! 

I like what i see with his hustle and his rebounding but whenever I start to like him a lot he does something stupid.  He either clanks a couple threes, makes a bad pass, or tries to do something he is uncapable of doing.

I really like him coming off of the bench, I don't think our starting lineup is that great with him in it.  I totally think our lineup looks better and is more balanced with either CJ watson in his spot so we actually have a point guard in there, and let me tell you, Watson has totally surpassed my expectations and is playing great, or if we put either ronny or bwright in there so Maggette can play a swing position instead of having to guard a post.

 

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not too opposed

to it, just worried we’d be too small considering CM at the 4

by KeepdaCore on Nov 19, 2008 11:12 PM PST reply actions  

disagree

buke was 50% from the three last night. Buke is ok. I dont trust anybody off the bench. CJ coming from the bench is better .He changes tempo and confuses opposing teams

by saintdee on Nov 19, 2008 11:12 PM PST reply actions  

i guess his

 3pt shot can only get better, if not, he better stick to bowen 3s

by KeepdaCore on Nov 19, 2008 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

BUT...

Prior to the other night’s game…BUIKE was only shooting 23% from downtown for the season. I too am hoping that he gets out of his shooting funk, but honestly, w/ Morrow, Jack and even MAGGS, I’d rather have them take the shots and have BUIKE take it to the rim!

Another thing that BUIKE lacks is court awareness. There was one play against PORTLAND when BUIKE brought up the ball and JACK was on his left wing (wide-open) and he didn’t see him until JACK yelled at him. He seems to get lost in his own world out there sometimes. Not sure why.

by scottiepimppen on Nov 20, 2008 6:26 AM PST up reply actions  

buke was 50% from the three last night. Buke is ok

Belinelli was 100% from 3 for his last shot. He should play more too!!! Umm… sample size anyone?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 20, 2008 7:15 AM PST up reply actions  

i don get it

belinelli has a smaller sample size which makes his makes more likely to be random…

by HoLdEmUP on Nov 20, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

i can't complain cuz

buike hustles so much and that’s what we need right now. however if their is a knock on buike, sometimes he is too fearless and looks to score only. i think he needs to improve his passing skills to make him the complete player.

that pass that got knocked down on a fast break to maggette against the blazers is an example of his passing skills. also that inbound pass to jax at the end is another example. geez….come to think of it, maybe buike should shoot it everytime. his passing skills is horrid : /

by nuttinbutnet on Nov 19, 2008 11:21 PM PST reply actions  

bukes

had a nice crossover last night for the and 1. his handles have definitely improved, i just wish he would pass the ball more. every time he touches the ball he’s going to shoot it. when kellogs, jackson, and mags all have that mindset the warriors are screwed. i think he deserves the playing time a bit, but give the ball up a little more! handles have really improved tho

by lowchi on Nov 19, 2008 11:24 PM PST reply actions  

i agree

kelennas much more effective when he comes off the bench, just like watson is. i would personally make the starting lineup:

PG – Jack
SG – Morrow
SF – Maggette
PF – Wright
C – Biedrins

then have buike, cj, turiaf and randolph coming off the bench…

by gorillas on Nov 19, 2008 11:32 PM PST reply actions  

YIKES!!!!

Jack can’t play point, we need to put someone else in with handles, notice how we got way better last game after CJ stepped in. I like CJ off the bench too, but until Monta gets back, he’s our man.

by myk on Nov 20, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

i know

all that jack does is bring it up and hes not even doing a good job with it. heck bieds taking it down the floor was better than jack. jack would be so much better if he was a catch and shoot guy or was able to create his shots only 15 feet in. because all the other things he does is ball hog than shoot a horrible shot.

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 20, 2008 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

KB

He does too many good things to keep him off the floor. I’d rather keep him starting and let him shoot himself out of his slump for now. He improved in leaps and bounds since we got him. I’d like him to keep heading in that direction by keeping his minutes consistent.

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 19, 2008 11:38 PM PST reply actions  

I meant KA instead of KB

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 19, 2008 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

We should trade KA for KB

That’d be awesome. It works in the trade machine… well, I could get it to work if KA was tradeable (by adding Harrington, Wright, Randolph, and Belinelli).

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 20, 2008 7:18 AM PST up reply actions  

whatever floats your boat buddy

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 22, 2008 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

In a perfect world

none of the players in our roster warrant playing 40 minutes a game let alone 43. My main beef with Bukake is the manner he gets his points. Because his jumpshot is non existent this season defenses sag off of him and making him drive where he has to take those ridiculously hard, body contorting shpts of him. It also doesnt help that Buike has horrible court vision ala CJ Watson where it seems like hes got blinders on and all he sees is the basket even if The Ammo is wide open or Bellinelli is so wide open on the corners the kid can make some pasta from scratch.

Instead of Bukake, maybe start Wright again or at least if Nellie is dead set on playing our current starting lineup, limit his minutes to 30 mins max.

Of course with me, whatever Nellie does is absolutely fine…..Really no complaints here…

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Nov 20, 2008 12:22 AM PST reply actions  

No you didnt

The new special at Pasta Pomodoro designed be Kelena and Marco. rigatonis ala bukake sauce

by highflya on Nov 20, 2008 1:16 AM PST up reply actions  

That's just wrong...

Very, very wrong.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 20, 2008 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

AGREE

I just stated that BUIKE seems to have no court awareness (vision) whatsoever! My only “issue” w/ him starting is the fact that he’s almost in the same mold as MAGGS. I’m not sure how you have both of them on the floor at the same time, but it seems to work. I guess because BUIKE plays better D than MAGGS, but I digress. So far we’re doing OK. This team needs time to play w/ each other. We’re forgetting that we had a pretty major overhaul this past off-season. The only ones that have remotely played w/ each other for extended periods of time were JACK, AB and BUIKE (and AL if he ever plays again).

by scottiepimppen on Nov 20, 2008 6:32 AM PST up reply actions  

yes and no

i agree that kaz is more effective and useful to the dubz off the bench. but that doesn’t necessarily mean that i think he should play less. you make an argument about his shooting skills and dumb mistakes. well we know the dumb mistakes can be fixed; he has shown extended periods of poise last year. and shooting, well, that’s something that will also come (at least back to what he was last year). buike is a much improved player, for the reasons you mentioned above – and those are the assets that make him a better player and are much harder to “learn” than his faults are to “fix”.

by Run Dubz on Nov 20, 2008 12:23 AM PST reply actions  

does anyone else think that buke should play less?

NO! In fact he should play more!!!!!!! Captain Jack should play less….Warriors seem to do fine without him on the floor

by etsmash on Nov 20, 2008 1:08 AM PST reply actions  

are you serious?

buike play less… NO but definely play off the bench, him and watson off the bench are super solid.

and no need to state the obivious

sheeeeeeeeesh!

by itzlilgx23 on Nov 20, 2008 1:22 AM PST reply actions  

No Way

Buike is fearless out there Defensively and Offensively. He’s just flat out a beast on the court with blocks rebounds and flat out hustle. He should be starting until monta gets back and maybe then too. Two things he does need to work on is keeping his head up when hes driving and his range shots which will come back soon no doubt

by Warriorfan on Nov 20, 2008 2:47 AM PST reply actions  

Off the bench

I think he is better too off the bench. Defense!!!

Keep it simple

by Jedi1761 on Nov 20, 2008 4:57 AM PST reply actions  

Keep his minutes...

…but not as a started. I believe he should come of the bench right now, he seems more productive.

Apart of this, I love this guy, he has so much heart, plays fearlessly, is a very good/active rebounder (box his man out) and usually outmuscles his defender on his way to the basket.

Like gorilass said:

"starting lineup:

PG – Jack
SG – Morrow
SF – Maggette
PF – Wright
C – Biedrins

then have buike, cj, turiaf and randolph coming off the bench…"

…until we trade Al + Jack for an all-star PG :-)

=Gaucho=

by Gaucho! on Nov 20, 2008 6:13 AM PST reply actions  

is

chris paul available? someone get on the trade machine! we’ve got a proposal to make!

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Nov 20, 2008 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

There you have it

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=27798133083783413111&teams=9293333&te=&cash=

Please pack it and send it to the involved teams’ managements.

You heard about this trade first here :-P

=Gaucho=

by Gaucho! on Nov 20, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

ooh

a three team mess. i like that the hornets have to give up both cp3 and peja in this just to get al, jack and random grizzlies. we should add in the cavs and bring lebron over while we’re at it. if we need to make salaries match, we could toss a few overpaid bobcats or knicks. this can’t fail.

heart of a champion, will of the warrior.

by cap'n hack on Nov 20, 2008 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

OK, there you have it

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2779813324119662172319030837834553277303932423413881&teams=929593293355292935&te=&cash=

So our starting lineup would be:

- Chris Paul
- Anthony Morrow
- Lebron James
- Corey Magette
- Andris Biendris

(this starting 5 would average 100ppg by themselves easily)

bench:

- SG/SF Azubuike
- PF / C Hendrix (I love this guy)
- PF / C Turiaf (this one too)
- PG DeMarcus Nelson
- PF Rob Kurz

then sign a bunch of FA to compelte our roster. We would be instant NBA champz this and next season.

You heard about this trade first here :-P:-P:-P:-P

=Gaucho=

by Gaucho! on Nov 21, 2008 3:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this post 100 percent

Buike does not belong playing 40 minutes a game, the guy is a black hole, I like him and as far as bench players go hes a good one, but thats where he belongs, coming off the bench.

by pbra17 on Nov 20, 2008 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

I’m sure the rotation will balance out once Monta comes back. But for now, Nellie is just using what he has and trying to put a W on the board for us every night. And sometimes, that means having our bench players step up and get starter minutes, like Buike in this case.

Speaking of bench players, has anyone noticed that B Wright hasnt been getting much minutes lately? Whats up with that?

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by JustSomeName on Nov 20, 2008 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

We need to develop a bench

Nelson runs his lineups based on who he percieves are the “best players”. In truth. Nelson’s definition of best players are best scorers. I’ve wanted Buike coming off the bench all year long cause he can score and we need scoring from our bench not our starting 5, between beans, jackson, and maggetted you;ll get at LEAST 50-60 pts a night (imagine with monta back)

Starting lineup: Watson, Jackson, Maggette, Wright, Beans
Bench: Morrow, Williams, Buike. Randolph, Turiaf, Belinelli, etc.

by kyzah on Nov 20, 2008 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

Nelson operates as such...

He’s sitting there saying to himself:

“We’re getting killed on XYZ” or “Jeez, we could really take advantage of them if we did ABC”

Then he looks at his bench and figures out who’d be able to go in for whom and do XYZ or ABC. Then he does it. When he looks at our bench now, he sees a lot of young players who do not perform consistently, so he does not know if they can do XYZ or ABC. Wright does not perform consistently enough for Nellie to trust him out on the floor to do the right thing, that’s why he sits and Buke starts.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 20, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Just asking...

am I the only one not that impressed with his perimeter D thus far this year? I mean aside from the Kobe game last year where he did a tremendous job – we have anointed him as some kind of stopper and I just don’t see it that regularly.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Nov 20, 2008 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

...

From Janny’s article (Sfgate.com)

“What’s too much Azubuike for Warriors?”

After admitting to overplaying Kelenna Azubuike, coach Don Nelson found the guard a little rest Tuesday with 35 minutes of action.

Azubuike entered Tuesday’s game having logged nearly 44 minutes over his past three outings. He is averaging 15.8 points and 4.4 rebounds in 35.9 minutes this season – second only to Stephen Jackson’s league-leading 43.4 mpg.

And though Azubuike is struggling from the field, shooting 23 percent from three-point range, neither he nor Nelson appears overly concerned about the slump.

“The thing he’s doing is rebounding, guarding, being where he’s supposed to be,” Nelson said. “He scores enough, and now he has the ability to drive and finish and not only to shoot outside. The outside shot hasn’t been as good as it was last year, but I think that’ll come.”
——————————————-

He’s been playing a lot of minutes and I don’t have the link to another article I’ve recently read, but his bouts of tendinitis may still be a bit of a factor because the article I read was talking about how all these minutes certainly don’t bode well for him considering last season. SO, with all that said, and a little bit in defense of Kelenna Azubuike, no wonder his shot is flat.

Kelenna was really solid this pre-season and from exchanging e-mails with people like Pree (from hoopsworld.com) and from a blog entry from Marcus (cctimes.com) Azubuike is able to shoot. He’s just in a shooting slump for one reason or another.

I know Azubuike isn’t perfect, but it gives the Warriors a little bit of dimension for the time being with both Morrow and Azubuike on the court together. Another petpeeve, Anthony Morrow should not be appointed savior nor should he be handed the starting “2” job.

Some people are so quick to judge. Let’s just see what happens until Monta comes back.

I’m sure a lot of people will give me a lot of grief for this, but ever since Morrow has showed he can shoot, many have been talking like Azubuike is expendable. Let me just say, I love how great Morrow has been for this Warriors team, but he isn’t the answer. There are a LOT of flaws with this team right now.

Go ahead, start with the criticisms of my opinions.

talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish

by starry night on Nov 20, 2008 2:05 PM PST reply actions  

BUIKE=SUPER SUB!!!!!!!!!

Can come in and relieve almost any position

by myk on Nov 20, 2008 2:14 PM PST reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

In my honest opinion, the things that Buike does can be done off of the bench. He doesn’t really get into hot streaks from the floor… he just plays the game and things happen, whether they be good or bad. I think that starting Wright or Watson would end up being better in the long run, as they can turn to Buike if things aren’t working and still have him fresh when Maggette or Jackson needs a breather.

by Mr. Monday Night on Nov 20, 2008 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

His play a year ago suggested he was an average to slightly above average player. Stop before responding and think what average means. An average player is not a starter. The “average” player comes off the bench for somewhere between 20 to 25 minutes a game, spelling starters and contributing, but not anchoring the team from tip to buzzer. Azubuike played like a guy who could give you 25+ good minutes a night, consistently good but unspectacular. That’s more or less what his salary suggests we should expect from him. Remember, the MLE is the average salary, it’s more than KA got, so average player for less than average salary is a bargain.

When Monta’s back I suspect we’ll see Azubuike’s minutes decline. If Morrow continues to play like he has, same. Getting him back to a good player off the bench means that the team is doing well and puts him in a position where he’s doing what his present abilities are suited for.

by jae on Nov 20, 2008 4:05 PM PST reply actions  

Jae

would you say Morrow is the better player?

talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish

by starry night on Nov 20, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Morrow crashed JAE's computer.

His current plus/minus is 13.6
Roland Rating 11.2
PER 28.2
Effective FG: 74%
True Shooting Pct: 77%

It’s hard to say much when his NBA experience to date makes Michael Jordan look like Marco Belinelli. Let him get a few more games under his belt, and let JAE get a new hard drive…

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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 20, 2008 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

would you say Morrow is the better player?

  Based on a sample of 2 starts?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 20, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Azubuike injured

check out my fanshot for more info.

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by starry night on Nov 20, 2008 6:13 PM PST reply actions  

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