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AL for Jamal Crawford???

Just heard on KNBR about 5 mins ago that Ric Bucher is reporting Al Harrington is going to be traded for Jamal Crawford by friday.  Can't find any link online yet.

 

I like Crawford's game, but he does have 2 more years then Al does on his contract and he is just another shooter. I really hope this trade doesn't go through, Crawford is just going to take away mintues from Morrow.

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By shooter, you must mean something other than “guy who makes shots.” That career 40% from the floor is troubling.

Guard who shoots poorly from the floor, isn’t quite a point guard and, despite his height advantage seems to be allergic to rebounds.

Great. (Sigh)

by jae on Nov 20, 2008 10:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

compared to Al

Better 3pt shooter, but rebounds less. I agree with jae, we need someone who rebounds more.

by mosdl on Nov 20, 2008 10:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's nothing like Harrington.

For one thing, he’s got a little bit of “winner” in him. He’s pretty much the only guy on that godforsaken team who always has a good attitude and doesn’t quit.

More importantly, he’s a totally different position. At this point in his career he’s basically a big PG, not just a standard-issue scoring wing. His ball-handling / floor general skills alone make him miles more valuable than TMNT.

JAE, check out Crawford’s plus/minus numbers. He’s not a bad haul at all for someone who sucks and has literally no value to us. Give him all of CJ’s minutes and we’re instantly a better team. It also allows us to break Monta into full-time PG slowly.

Alternately, if it’s just Malik Rose and his expiring, I’m happy with that too. WIn/win, basically.

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 21, 2008 8:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s tough to read much into the plusminus from last year. The Knicks were terrible. He was not as bad as the team as a whole. I cannot say if this means he was helpful or less harmful.

If he does not opt out, the problem I foresee is that his contract makes yet another ~10mil/ year that extend past decision points on the younger guys.

by jae on Nov 21, 2008 8:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

naw give him some of CJs

and a good portion of Kellennas minutes… now you are talking

by Agent Zero on Nov 22, 2008 6:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Had the same reaction

- Another chucker who doesn’t make most of his shots. He’s taking 7 3pters a game! (At least he’s shooting it at 45% this year).
- VERY poor rebounder
- Susceptible to turnovers

by lightz0ut on Nov 20, 2008 10:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

45% is an outlier based on a small sample size

He’ll be hard pressed to keep that up.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

okay maybe he won't shoot it at 45% from 3 for the rest of the year

but dude 45% from 3 is amazing. Obviously he has improved his shot coming into this year. If he settles into 40% from 3 that would be nice too.

by Agent Zero on Nov 22, 2008 6:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Since we are throwing out rumors...

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/

Just heard this seconds ago…

The Knicks, Warriors and Clippers are talking about a three-way deal that would involve Jamal Crawford, Zach Randolph and Mardy Collins being sent in a cap-space clearing move that would bring in Tim Thomas, Cuttino Mobley and Al Harrington.

The contracts on all three incoming players expire in 2010.

by streetballer on Nov 21, 2008 7:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What everyone is missing is if Crawford doesn't work out he is much more valuable to trade than Al, and if he does work out we have a ton of depth or trade another swing guy...

This is great, doesn’t have to be permanent, and yes include marco and Lee and I am jumping for joy, GSW are all about streaky shooters and Ball hogs, Crawford is the better player between him and Al, plain and simple that is what nellie wants…. with a good 3 point average this year

by warriorbum on Nov 21, 2008 9:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford is a ball hog

he’s good in the open court but he’s a gunner. he would have been better on last year’s team

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 20, 2008 10:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

when monte comes back…. him + monta backcourt could work… both can handle. although neither r true point guards… his size will make up for monta’s lack of. and i like his personality.

HOWEVER on the negative… crawford 3 years left. 8.6mil this year and with a player option he’d make 9.3 and 10.8 following 2 years. Do we REALLY want to be paying monta, crawford, maggette, jackson all 10mil+ each.

1 would need to go and im hoping its NOT MONTA.

by Warriors510 on Nov 21, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Size matters if you use it. Crawford plays much smaller than he is.

by jae on Nov 21, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard this on Sportscenter just a few minutes ago as well. I think he’d be much better than keeping Harrington doing nothing. BUT hes got 3 years left on his contract at 8mil+, aint worth it. Let’s just wait it out and go for a big name in 2010 free agent market.

WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...

by JustSomeName on Nov 20, 2008 11:03 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

There is not really such an opportunity. Letting Harrington walk in 2010 does not give us the cap room to go after a big name free agent.

by jae on Nov 21, 2008 7:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

folks not getting it

not sure what would lead anyone to believe the W’s are going to be players in the big ’10 FA market. even if we have the money, who says lebron or wade will want to come here?

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Nov 21, 2008 9:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thank you

nobody wants to play for a team in 2010 that is a possible 8 seed in the unbelievable western division. everyone is looking to go to the east where they can cruise through a regular season, make a high-seed, and have a shot at a ring.

by norcal225 on Nov 21, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

just heard this

on sportscenter and now sure what to think about it…. I thought we would go PF or distributing PG and we get a guy who shoots a lot…

by FeartheBeard4 on Nov 20, 2008 11:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wth?

we get a pure shooter just like captain jack? whoa boy

by aznwarrior44 on Nov 20, 2008 11:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

he has only one more year

which is a player option and we are not getting a big name in the free agent market of 2010. No one is going to come here which our recent years. Also we already have a bunch of players under contract we werent going to have alot of money sitting around.

by The Golden One on Nov 20, 2008 11:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

and I mean

only one more year than Al, not one more year on his contract.
Jamal Crawford
08/09
$8,640,000
09/10
$9,360,000
10/11
$10,080,000

Al Harrington
      08/09
$9,226,250
09/10
$10,026,875

by The Golden One on Nov 20, 2008 11:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bosh would be IDEAL fit…….

monta, mags, jack, bosh, beidrins… but i agree it wont happen…. anyway ny and chicago will show him big dollars in 2010 if they cant get lebron.

by Warriors510 on Nov 21, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

bah

i’d be indifferent towards this trade if the contract years matched up. the fact that we’re piling on another hefty contract for one more year makes this a bad trade, in my opinion. unless we can get crawford to hate the dubz so much he’ll turn down his 9.4 player option… maybe.

crawford did have a nice little year last year, 20.6 PPG even if it is on 41 FG%. remember, he did play for the knicks. i mean, he helps more than harrington does right now, but he doesn’t address a significant need.

looks like this trade is gonna happen tho. i hope nellie sees something i don’t.

by Run Dubz on Nov 20, 2008 11:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not Nellie

Mulling or Rowell.

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 20, 2008 11:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Supposedly

Nellie has veto rights in his contract on trades/

by mosdl on Nov 20, 2008 11:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Common!

We gotta be like the Blazers, everything almost home grown and cheap

by aznwarrior44 on Nov 20, 2008 11:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

we own the blazers

i love the way they built their team too, don’t get me wrong. but in order for that to happen you need a competent front office and a willing owner, two things the W’s don’t have.

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Nov 21, 2008 9:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the

thing that hurts about this trade is thinking about how it will halt azubuike, watson, morrow, and even monta’s playing time.

by gorillas on Nov 20, 2008 11:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You're right

I hate it when we add players who’re good enough to take PT away from other, suckier players…

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well then you obviously dont care about the potential, progress and future of the warriors

by gorillas on Nov 21, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i guess

the warriors really couldn’t find any takers other than knicks since they really love harrington… man i was hopin to see morrow play 30+ minutes every game. I guess lineup will be till monta comes back

crawford
morrow
jack
maggs
biedrins

man thats alot of fire power!

by bojangles408 on Nov 20, 2008 11:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

damn now looking at it

this team can average 100 points on their own LOL!

by bojangles408 on Nov 20, 2008 11:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the lineup would be

Crawford, Morrow, Jack, Maggette, AB.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 21, 2008 12:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

UGH…. we need to drop this maggette, azabuke crap at PF. Nellie its an ok gimmick for changing up pace of game in momments but when thats our staple lineup we’ll get run outta the west. play utah 4 times, san antonio 4 times, pheonix 4 times, lakers 4 times, all teams with legit 4s who will eat maggette for 40 and 20. There comes 20 losses…. maybe 2-18

by Warriors510 on Nov 21, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

at first sight

i thought this is terrible why would we do this.

but then i thought about for a second and realized. we should have him coming off the bench and this makes us that much better. morrow should still start and this guy should come off the bench and provide a scorer in the second unit, which is something we need. can he play any pg? i never thought he couuld.

but on the negative side of things this means nelly’s definitely gonna play small ball, this could take minutes away from azbuike and wright etc. we’ll se how this works, but overall it strenghthens our bench but also takes oppurtunity away form talented players

by montamazing on Nov 20, 2008 11:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

buke needs less minutes. I liked him soo much more as a 6th man off bench energy, he know thinks he’s vital to offense and its just bad

by Warriors510 on Nov 21, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps as backup for Jack?

Nah, paid too much. Having buike come out from the bench, not bad.

Hopefully nellie will get along with him if this is true.

But – we still have one person too much on the roster (kurz). So, who are we going to waive/trade for a pick?

by mosdl on Nov 20, 2008 11:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

hahahaha, that was classic.

WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...

by JustSomeName on Nov 21, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and if we now have crawford

we might as well package bellinelli into this trade, he doesn’t have a chance of playing

by montamazing on Nov 20, 2008 11:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

wow!

another 20+ pt scorer behing monta, jack, and maggette! now we should totally average 120+ points per game, much higher than the league average! and don’t forget about morrow, who will add another 20. 140 points per game! warriors champs 09

by curtischin on Nov 20, 2008 11:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Crawford

The plus side is that he can handle the ball and can score in bunches. The minus side is that he’s a ballhog and gets out of control. If Nellie can reign him in and get him to concentrate on blending in with what we’ve already got then it might work. Not the type of player that i personally wanted the Warriors to get, but he may have been the best available player at this time.

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 20, 2008 11:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1

i definitely agree. this trade would work out really well if nelly can utilize crawfords game to our advantage. if crawford can distribute the ball a little more than he shoots it, i think it would be a good trade. now if we could just move belinelli for a PF with bulk i think we’d be playoff worthy for sure.

by gorillas on Nov 20, 2008 11:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

playoffs?! Have you seen us play? Have you seen the rest of the west? You do know Monta isnt due back for another month at the very earliest, right?

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 12:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the rest of the west has been pretty weak so far.

have you seen the rest of the west. we’ve played really well in every game except 3. new orleans looks terrible right now. san antonio hasn’t been great. dallas looks avg at best. cmon what makes you think the warriors are so far from the playoffs right now. were doing this all without two starters, and one of them is our best player…

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 12:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. New Orleans is off to a slow start, but do you really think they wont be there in the end? San Antonio has bigger injury issues than us and Dallas is still struggling to adapt to the new O. We are playing as well as we probably can and are still below .500.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 12:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

those were poor performaces because, honestly, this is kind of a poor team.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lmao

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Nov 21, 2008 1:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

those were poor performances

because we were not only missing monta and harrinton but also maggette. nobody wins when they’re missing their top 3 scoring options

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea good thing we had Maggette back for that Toronto game, he was stellar. Monta hurts, but theyve actually played BETTER without Harrington this year.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i think maggette has only played 100% in two games this year, you could tel in that

toronto game he wasn’t 100% cuz he was only taking jumpers had no lift and wasn’t driving to the basket

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually hasnt played 100% in any.

Was injured the first game and still isnt 100%. But only two games has he even been anywhere close. Damn Hammy injuries take forever to heal.

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 1:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ok, but Maggette is hurt a lot, that doesnt really help your argument that this team isnt pretty bad.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

are you a warrior fan?

i may be optimistic but cmon man have some hope

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a fan but also realistic. I’m hopeful for each game, but I find it hard to be hopeful for the season when I look at the roster. I think Nellie is doing a heck of a job and theyve been fun to watch for the most part. But being a fan doesnt mean you have to believe in them blindly. I’ve been a Warrior/Niner/Giant fan for quite some time now, so you kinda have to temper your hopes and expectations or you’ll end up killing yourself.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well the giants are a different story

they have hardly any talent on that team, the warriors do

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A different word for talent...

I’d say potential. Hell of a lot of potential. The youngest team in the league will make tons of mistakes. Gotta be real-can’t expect them to play up to their full talent or potential. On a side note, we’re going strong to the hoop to pull off C.C. Sabathia! F Zito!

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 1:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well

I liked him firing those jumpers better than him trying to go to the hole and falling down.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not to mention he’s basing a lot of his criticism for maggette on that one raptor’s game, sidestepping the other decent games he had. didn’t we play the blazers a few days ago or was i just dreaming that?

pessimistic is one thing. but when you use the same argument to bash something it gets old. a lot of you pessimists imo are kinda borderline straight up negative/emo right now imo.

but that’s just me.

by jchao204 on Nov 21, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i think he’ll be healthy before suspension is over… he’s practicing over thanksgiving! I talked to a friend who is an orthopedist and familiar w/ monta’s injury. He said recovery rate is close to 100% for normal person.

he also said avg person wouldnt have reconstructive surgery. Avg person they’d wait 3-4 months to see if it naturally healed. However since monta is professional athlete, moneys not an issue and on time crunch it made sense to do operation immediately to make it go faster. I expect him back at 100% probably a few games of rust but by mid january we’ll see monta we loved

by Warriors510 on Nov 21, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mags

Was considered a hog, and he is starting to pass more and getting assists He’s gotten 3,3,4 asts in the past 3 games, almost double his average.

by mosdl on Nov 20, 2008 11:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

With Monta/Jax/Maggs/Crawford/Morrow/Buke

We’ve got two excellent, consistent, efficient scorers (Monta/Maggs), three streaky guys (Jax/Crawford/Morrow), and a solid contributor in Buke. Let Monta, Maggs, and Buke do their thing and go with the hottest of the other three. We shouldn’t have any trouble scoring. Only problem will be defense… maybe some Knicks fans can chime in here on Crawford’s defensive talents.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Teams still don't win with quality bigs.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 21, 2008 5:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean without quality bigs.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 21, 2008 5:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

everyone said that about Maggette tho

oh he’s a ball hog… this and that… paid to much… he is in our system now, being coached by Nellie and IMO playing great.

by Agent Zero on Nov 22, 2008 7:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

so much for higher quality threads!!!!!!!!!!!

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 20, 2008 11:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

wow

why? another tweener guard.

how many guards does a team need?

we have buke, jax, cj, monta, morrow, beli. can someone tell me how the roster is going to work?

by saintdee on Nov 20, 2008 11:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I will tell you

monta – injured
buke- overrated, recieving way way too many minutes
morrow- will still get minutes as long as he is hitting his shot
bellinelli- will get the same amount of pt
Jax could use a little bit more rest
CJ – nice player, he might not play quite as much, but he will still see the floor.

Oh yeah and we start 4 guards (including maggette who is really a 2-3) so there you go.

you guys gotta realize that the current players’s feelings and PT do not matter. so when we add another player don’t cry about how he will take away minutes from the guys here. Any minutes that he takes away from another guy are deserved and make us a better team. Nellie will play the best players. Besides the competition for PT will make everyone better.

by Agent Zero on Nov 22, 2008 7:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i like this trade...

this will def be a good trade when monta gets back…think about it guys…the more depth on our bench the better!….

Lineup when monta gets back:

PG- Monta / Watson / Nelson / Williams
SG- Crawford / Azubuike / Morrow
SF – JAX / Maggette / Randolph
PF – Wright / Kurz / Hendrix
C – Biedrins / Turiaf

by gswfan85 on Nov 20, 2008 11:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

wow

you have kurz as our backup pf… lol

by saintdee on Nov 20, 2008 11:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well

hes never going to play, maggette will start at pf

by montamazing on Nov 20, 2008 11:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

david lee is not overrated, if anything he is underrated

by gorillas on Nov 20, 2008 11:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he an unathletic big

who hasn’t improved since his first year, actually his numbers are slightly down since his first year

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

David Lee is the classic "came out of nowhere, used to be underrated, but is now overrated" guy

Just like Ben Wallace and to a lesser extent, Josh Howard. He’s overrated now. Especially because he’s the dim lightbulb in the sea of darkness that is the Knicks roster… especially if they get rid of Crawford for Al frigging Harrington.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

more like

PG- monta/Watson
SG- Crawford/ morrow
SF- Jax/ Azubuike
PF- maggette/Wright
C- Beans/Turiaf

I like that 10 man rotation. I like it a lot.

by Calamity on Nov 20, 2008 11:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i would switch monta and crawford. im still kind of skeptic on monta’s ability to play point.

by gorillas on Nov 20, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We'll see won't we.

But shouldn’t we also consider Jax a PG too? There really are no “positions” on this team…

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Because this teams starting 5 will not have a point guard or power foward.

"Get Er Dun!"

by YayArea510 on Nov 21, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But if you subtract "guard power"...

Our starting line up does have a POINT FORWARD

It’s ok. I know I’m only funny to myself.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 22, 2008 1:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well

the first six players are pretty interchangeable…

by curtischin on Nov 21, 2008 12:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how bout randolph?

where does he fit in the line up and ronnie… way better rebounder then mag and wright… or randolph can take buike’s spot lolz its funni how buike reminds me of of a mini maggette……

by Fi7ipin0ch3f on Nov 22, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are u really saying

that morrow is the 3rd sg on this team? I think buike is at the 3 cuz thats where nelly plays him

by jammajuice on Nov 21, 2008 8:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There's absolutely...

…no sense to this, though. Azubuike and Morrow were a good and potent SG combo. If this steals time from Morrow, it’s a bad move.

by Zack Vank on Nov 21, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but mostly because of the emergence of Morrow

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 20, 2008 11:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he said with the morrow starting and mags at 4

he was going to give this lineup a 10 game tryout

by The Golden One on Nov 20, 2008 11:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Portland

Did you see what Mags did to Aldridge? He stomped him out. Crazy props to him for that performance

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 9:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The report said...

A proposed trade “that would include Al Harrington and Jamal Crawford.” Obviously that means there could be more to it. What about:

Jamal Crawford + David Lee to GSW
Al Harrington + Marco Belinelli to NY

Works in the trade machine!!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=31903081652772&teams=181899&te=&cash=

by Epicurious Cowboy on Nov 20, 2008 11:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

that would be a dream come true seriously. but you never know with new york…beli fits in right with all the rest of those italians ya know… they might see something in him hahaha

by gorillas on Nov 20, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

david lee is overrated

i wouldn’t even want him on this team, just takes away from players who are more talented; wright, randolph

by montamazing on Nov 20, 2008 11:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This could be just Fagen floating nonsense….he does it all the damn time.

Adoptive Parent of Francisco Peguero. He can throw, he can run, he can hit(fastballs), and he's Dominican. What else do you need to know?

by haverecords on Nov 21, 2008 12:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Dirty little secret...

I am about to betray my reputation as somewhat reasonable and fair minded. If this trade happens I will be excited…

I know Crawford is not a very good player when you look at his numbers. Incredibly inefficient, doesn’t really have a position, allergic to defense, never met a shot he didn’t like… Oh yeah and also really fun to watch.

I’ve resigned to the fact that we won’t be doing much this year, so I will allow myself to be a selfish fan and be entertained.

I reserve the right to criticize the Warriors at a later date, because in my head I know this is not a good move. But, tonight I’m smiling. Please don’t hold it against me.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Nov 21, 2008 12:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

if we

have crawford coming off the bench. of course when monta’s back he could be a good 6th man. provide scoring in the second unit, get up 10 shots a night, that way on a bad night he can’t hurt us, but on a good one, obviously help

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 12:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well

we overall have more good players off the bench that the spurs so we don’t need one great bench player, we have 3 or 4 sufficient and explosive ones

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 12:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

um...no?

they both command the same salary so your statement is invalid.

ps: i hate ginobili.

by jchao204 on Nov 21, 2008 5:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m totally with you. I feel bad that I kinda like the deal, but I do.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 12:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

THIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNTSoFMAYa0&feature=related

A return to highscoring smallball featuring Ellis, Crawford, Jack, Maggs, and Biedrins with Buike, Morrow, Randolph, Wright and Turiaf off the bench would at least be very entertaining!!!!

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 12:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

Warriors @ Lakers?

sometimes people don’t want to talk hoops, they just come here to act a fool.

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 21, 2008 1:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA

In the Western Conference Finals? :) haha

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 9:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know if anybody has said this already yet, but, just because we have 6 players with 20+ PPG doesn’t mean we’ll average 120+ every game or for any game for that matter because there will not be enough minutes to go around and like somebody said before, will dramatically slow the growth of all our young’ns.

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by JustSomeName on Nov 21, 2008 12:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

for serious

i hope we dont become the clippers, too many new players, talent, but no gel, alotta ball hogs FAIL

by alandoeezy on Nov 21, 2008 12:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Uhh

Clippers have talent?

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 9:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldnt mind

seeing monta and crawford on the floor for a test run…. might be chaotic but it might be pretty too… both of those guys will run your tail off… monta could be a pg and a sg at the same time

I am Greg Oden, i am goingz to be trade to The Warrior. hoooray.

Warriors for life. Raiders till death. And The A's when i get free tickets.

by STIX on Nov 21, 2008 12:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

But I gotta admit, having Crawford is much better than having Harrington.

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by JustSomeName on Nov 21, 2008 12:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hoping and assuming that this wouldn’t be a simple Al/Crawford swap. Opting for Jamal Crawford over Gerald Wallace would be absolutely insane, especially with our SG-riffic roster.

In fact, I’m calling BS on this. This trade either doesn’t happen, or it happens because we get Lee. I know things are chaotic in the front office, and extreme dumbness may be on the horizon, but I don’t think they’re this dumb yet.

by onlxn on Nov 21, 2008 12:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

be prepared, you might have to say

“i guess they actually are this dumb”

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 21, 2008 12:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford vs Wallace

Now there is a trade I would have not been ashamed to like.

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by olympicmike on Nov 21, 2008 12:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d much rather take Crawford over Wallace. Wallace has too many years on his contract to make it work for us, that and he’s quite injury prone.

This trade works, like everyone else above me has stated:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=16527723190308&teams=991818&te=&cash=

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by JustSomeName on Nov 21, 2008 12:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wallace has one more year on his contract than Crawford, and it’s a player option he very well might turn down. Wallace is also a much better player, and as a guy who can rebound and defend, a guy who would help us a lot more. Crawford does nothing for us.

by onlxn on Nov 21, 2008 12:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am sad

Harrington and Nelly not getting along is terrible. I think that its more of Harrington being upset because Nelly is upset that he didn’t live up to his, (Nelly’s), expectations. Besides Harrington underpreforming, it seems like he should be a perfect fit with the current roster. He’s not an all star, but he is talented. Is his lack of production because of his unhappiness with Nelly, or his unhappiness with his own lack of success? Here’s how I look at Harrington:

Harrington Pluses:
1) He’s got height and versatility in that he can play the 4 or 5. He has shown that he can defend against guys like Boozer and Yao Ming.
2) When he’s on he can drain threes, which draws larger defenders out and clears the lane. His big games are often the deciding factor for a given game.
3) As far as bigger guys go he has endurance to run in Nelly’s system, and while not extremely athletic, he can surprise people and go off randomly.
4) Having the versatility of being able to choose either Wright or Harrington to play the floor is a great asset. They are completely different players and would allow Nelly to mess with match ups like he loves to.

Negatives:
1) Has definite problems staying hot. He usually does well 1 out of every 4 games. Not good enough.
2) Rebounds. Being a 3pt specialist at the 4 doesn’t help him grab boards, but he never showed the intensity that say C.J. has shown the past 5 games, (for a 6’3" pg)
3) Problems with Nelly. As Tom Tolbert has said and Chris Webber learned you get along with Nelly or you don’t. And has the administration has shown Nelly makes the calls, and the guys in the office have his back.

Is Crawford worth Al? Should they just keep playing Al like they did Pietrus last year, so when he realizes that he isn’t going to be traded he will step up and play for his teammates and not for himself?
As far as Crawford goes, it seems like jamming the team with swingmen is a terrible idea, unless the team is planning solely on developing Wright and Randolph, which could cost games.
Having Buike, Jax, Morrow, Maggete, Beli, Nelson and Crawford, (all of whom are around the same height but have different skills), could either limit the Dubs by not having versatility, or give them an advantage by being able to switch quickly off screens and create mad pressure on the defense.
Also you guys have covered the whole contract differences, so no need to go there. Cap space preference?

The pop ups on this site are starting to piss me off.

by danielholl on Nov 21, 2008 12:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Also sad, however...

I see you put a lot of thought into your post. I have to respectfully disagree with some of your points. Just because Harrington CAN play the 5 doesn’t mean he’s good at it. Boozer tore him up when we played the Jazz in the playoffs. Also, I would not want him to be the deciding factor for a given game, so that should be moved to a negative.

Harrington has been in the doghouse since last season. He was the best available player though, so we had no choice to play him. Let’s be real. We’re never gonna land a huge free agent. Cap space shouldn’t be an issue. We have everyone who we need locked up-Ellis, Biedrins, and Jackson(bleh).

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 12:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agree

that he can’t dominate against the best PF’s in the league. But does getting another 6’5" shooter help the team more than Al could potentially if he wasn’t “injured”, and was doing his thing? That’s what I’m saying.

The pop ups on this site are starting to piss me off.

by danielholl on Nov 21, 2008 12:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Problem is you can't keep playing someone

If there gonna fake an injury, especially if they say it’s an injury that you cant prove. That is exactly what Al did with saying he has a back injury.

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 12:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Is he faking?

or is the front office keeping him off of the floor for being so vocal? No one knows. It would seem that Al would want to try and kick ass for a few games to raise his value.

The pop ups on this site are starting to piss me off.

by danielholl on Nov 21, 2008 1:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He was the one that made the comments

“My back hurts alot and have it has been bothering me since the flight back from China”. If the front office was keeping him out, I think he would be vocal about it.

Being at the last game he played as a Warrior. It seemed like more than a coincidence he was hurt after he got booed so badly by the home crowd. He said he was hurt all season but during that game he made a full out dive for a ball and at no time during the game showed any signs of being in any pain.

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 1:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

NyPost guesses Al for Malik Rose

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11212008/sports/knicks/walsh_cuts_a_deal_for_an_old_favorite_139971.htm
Sounds like they are just throwing out there who they think it should be. Not that They know anything.

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 12:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

hm

this takes the trade in a totally different direction… malik rose basically sucks, sorry to say. but his contract is up at the end of the year…

so this brings the question: do we want to trade al for someone who can contribute (crawford) or for a bag of nothing to save 10 mil at the end of the year (rose)?

to be honest, i’m not sure. crawford does not help out the dubz in the ways that we really need. but he, with a healthy monta, might just be enough to legitimately push us into the playoffs.

by Run Dubz on Nov 21, 2008 12:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is classic Vecsey nonsense… the Knicks don’t bother grabbing Al unless they dump a contract. No way Al/Rose happens.

by onlxn on Nov 21, 2008 12:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey even if its for Jamal it can go the other way.

Jamal has an Opt-out clause in his contract after this year.

TRANSACTIONS
08/05/04: TRADE: The Bulls signed Jamal Crawford to a 7 year, $55.4 million contract with a player opt out after the 5th season and traded him with Jerome Williams to the Knicks for Othella Harrington, Dikembe Mutombo, Cezary Trybanski, and Frank Williams.

From his real gm profile

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 12:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that would mean crawford turns down almost 20 mil over the following 2 seasons

which is unlikely since it’s not looking like anyone would pay him more than that

by Run Dubz on Nov 21, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Warriors would not do that

Al for Rose is not going to happen and if it does there will be alot of angry warrior fans

by Warriorfan on Nov 21, 2008 1:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that.

Alot of Warriors fans already have been happier with the younger guys and would be happy with an expiring in return instead of someone that will take mins away.

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 1:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we trade Al Harrington for Jamal Crawford, I’ll be mighty pissed.

If we trade Al and Marco for Crawford and Lee, I’ll be pleased but a little confused. That trade only makes sense for us if we’re planning on extending David Lee. What does he do for us, exactly? I get that he could slot in at PF because Nellie doesn’t like Wright’s game, but Lee’s game is similar… he’s not much of an outside shooter himself. He makes free throws, which is Nellie-friendly, but overall he’s an efficiency scorer and rebounder. If anything, I think he’d overlap with Biedrins more than Wright does.

Al/Marco for Crawford/Lee would be a no-brainer for us. We get the best player in the deal, and turn two guys we’re not using into two guys we’d use (I don’t like Crawford much, but he’s certainly playable). That said, I have trouble getting my head around the roster that’d create. This is some muddy stuff.

by onlxn on Nov 21, 2008 12:43 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

perhaps a return to smallball?
PG-Crawford /Ellis/Jack/CJ
SG-Ellis /Buike/Morrow
SF-Jack /Morrow/Buike/Randolph
PF-Maggs /Wright/Randolph
C-Biedrins /Turiaf

-not really a good team, but likely fun to watch when they are on, and unbearable when they are off

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 12:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Reminds me of the good ol days from the playoffs

Except I’d take our playoff team any day over this one.

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 12:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

- 1

I wouldn’t. This team has way more talent.

by Gurthy on Nov 21, 2008 12:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what? Sure Biedrins has improved, but Monta is coming off and injury and we’ve replaced Baron, JRich and Al with Maggette, Wright, Turiaf, and Crawford? How is that MORE talent?

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 12:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

imo

crawford is equal to jrich, they’re both on and off shooters. crawford is actually a better and more explosive scorer, but jrich was a better rebounder. maggette is a better rebounder than jrich and gets to the line and makes shots better than anywarrior in recent years, overall the playoff team is no more talented than this team. but there was a lot of chemistry with that team.

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 12:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford is NOT JRich’s equal. JRich is the superior player in just about every aspect. Maggette doesnt come close to replacing what Baron brought to that team. Even if you count on Monta being the same improved version that he was last year and Biedrins being just as effective when they return to the small ball system, its not nearly as talented of a team.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Thank you. I think everyone forgets how good Baron was.

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 1:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

-1

i think you forget how awful baron was the last 15 games last year

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not talking about the last 15 games of last year

I’m talking about the playoff team. You’re telling me you’d rather have a combo of Crawford and Ellis of the present as opposed to a combo of Davis and Ellis of the 2007 playoffs. That’s why I said how good Baron WAS.

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 1:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ellis is way better than he was in that playoff series

ellis was actually pretty bad in those playoff series, hes improved a lot since then

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So how do you know he'll be that good when he gets back from injury?

An amazing Davis and medicore Ellis<A questionable Ellis and Crawford.
Really? Davis wasn’t amazing during the playoffs?

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 1:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

davis was absolutely amazing during the playoffs

because he was motivated, davis is playing bad for the clippers right now, and he played awful for us the last 15 games of last year. ultimately the reason we didn’t make the playoffs

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

despite what you believe

you don’t really miss or make the playoffs in the last 15 games of the year.

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 21, 2008 1:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

1-6 start. Losses to the T-wolves and Bobcats. Bright side- we got a hell of a lottery pick with Randolph!

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 1:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what

yeah you do if we played well down the stretch we would have made the playoffs. win 3 more games in those last 15 we make the playoffs, especially against dallas and denver. do you remember how disappointing those games were

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't put it all on Davis

Harrington was already looking like he wasn’t motivated. Jackson’s 3 point % was down and turnovers were up. Ellis, Biedrins and Azubuike were the only bright spots at the end of the season really.

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 1:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pietrus was strong

at the end, up until that injury

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 1:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True

I’m missing those crazy corner threes and blocks out of no where right now.

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 1:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The other day

He was all of the Magic highlights, with some crazy tip ins, coming out of no where at the last second.

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 1:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Got him on my fantasy team

His stats are nice this year. Free throw % is like 80 something. Outplaying Hedo to me.

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 1:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Untrue

Show me some averages, I be it’s below once a game, probably below 0.5 times a game. A guy does something stupid and everybody continually uses it to bash him. I bet people have seen Buke do it and remembered it as Pietrus because people talk about Pietrus all the time…

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 22, 2008 1:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he burned out

but how can you just conveniently disregard his huge role in winning the games that we did?

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 21, 2008 1:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They year before it definately took the

last 15 games to make the playoffs. Of course if we would have played better earlier, it wouldn’t have been needed.

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 1:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

That’s not how great teams make it into the playoffs though. That’s why WE BELIEVED. Haha believed we could pull off a miracle.

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 1:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea but do we know anything

about what a strong team is, thinking you will blow out the other team every game. Some day… some day.

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 1:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Hope I’ll live to see the day

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 1:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a second

You take Monta/Baron over Crawford/Monta/Maggette?

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 9:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yup

Baron filled in a lot of the blanks for the deficiencies of the other guards. And as for the JRich vs. Crawford comparison, Crawford does excel over Jrich in one very important aspect: ballhandling.

I pray i never have to use a gun again...

...unless i'm at a strip club parking lot...

...and somebody tries to run me over with their car...

...But how often does that happen??

by ssmokinjoe on Nov 21, 2008 1:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how is jrich crawfords superior

crawford is a better scorer and thats virtually all jrich could do, do you remember how turnover prone jrich was.

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

a better scorer?! How do you figure that? And no, thats not all Jrich could do. JRich attacks the basket better, shoots the ball better, defends better, and is a better all around athlete. You honestly think Crawford is a better player than JRich? You must be LOVING this trade then.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i dont remember jrich

scoring 52 points in a game. crawford is a better scorer, but no when hes the number 1 option on the team like in new york, jrich wasn’t a good defender for how athletic he was he had very slow footwork. and i dont love this trade, but jrich was only a good player when his shots were falling. he was good one night bad the next

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he was good one night bad the next

-If you describe JRich that way you are in for quite a bit of fun with Jamal Crawford. JRich wasnt a good defender for how athletic he was, but Crawford is a horrible defender period.

Looking at their stat lines from last year JRich shot a significantly better percentage from the field, scored more points per game, made more 3’s per game, grabbed twice as many rebounds, and had more steals and blocks than Crawford as well.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what im saying those is i dont think

crawford will have as big a role as rich did, he will likely be a sixth man when ellis is back

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ok, but you do realize saying Crawford is better than or even the equal of Richardson is pretty crazy now, right?

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no richardson

hasn’t been in any way good in the last 2 years on charlotte

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In what way has Crawford been better for NY than Richardson has been for Charlotte? Youre not making any sense.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

no but im saying there is not way richardson is obviously better than crawford

there both doing the same exact thing for equally bad teams, except crawford can stay healthy. crawford with a smaller role on our team could be a good thing

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Look at the stats….or watch a game. They ARE NOT doing the exact same thing. Crawford throws up a ton of bad shots for a horrible team. JRich shoots a very reasonable percentage and scores more points for a horrible team. Plus JRich brings good rebounding and ok D to the table, while Crawford provides absolutely zero of either one.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

dude……10 games into the year. small sample size syndrome.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wait, next

your going to tell us we can’t base morrow whole career off two games. Don’t kill the dream

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 1:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we're all forgetting the real problem with JRich

And it’s what makes the Crawford addition reasonable and the JRich jettison reasonable:

Crawford when we’re adding him: 27M/3 years

JRich when we jettisoned him: 52M/4 years after serious knee surgery

Big difference.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh I totally agree Boston, I’m just saying JRich is the better player. He’s not the better value, but he IS the better player and the team was more talented with Baron and JRich than it is now.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but he IS the better player and the team was more talented with Baron and JRich than it is now.

  Playoffs appearance prove this.

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I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 22, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think they're gonna push monta to the starting 2

not after hyping him up so damn much as the starting point guard of the future.

by Run Dubz on Nov 21, 2008 12:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hype

it was mostly just out of necessity, but the idea would be that he and Crawford and Jack would all kinda split the point duties.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 12:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think the title point guard means squat

in Nellie’s system. Every other play a different player takes the ball up court and starts a play these days.
Someone will just be called point guard when lineups are announced after that, things change by the second in the game.

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 12:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

uhhh, try to apply that to any Nellie team other than this year.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thats the thing

the warriors with this trade have 8 legit scoring threats, 8 people aren’t going to be having bad games at the same time

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

8 people also cant play at the same time, and theres more to the game than scoring. I really dont mind the trade, but if you think its gonna make this team significantly better I think youre kidding yourself.

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i dont think its going to make us significantly better, just slightly better

but i would honestly prefer to get malik rose so then the young players could continue to develop

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 1:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well we agree there

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

uh

you joking malik over crawford thanks but no freaking way let the youngins develop in practice and sparing minutes we want to compete now they can help us they can

by Warriorfan on Nov 21, 2008 1:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So...
i dont think its going to make us significantly better, just slightly better

Umm, you’d rather pick up a guy who sucks and will ride pine than a guy who doesn’t suck? You’d rather the team be worse?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford is playable?

This guy carries the scoring load on the Knicks, who by the way are playing pretty well this year. Yes he’s reckless, and shoots a horrible shooting percentage, but he’s obviously DAMN WELL “playable.” This will switch from a guy who won’t even play for us, to a legit scorer.

Watch Nelli work his magic. Just watch… learn… appreciate the magician.
Check out this lineup

PG – Monta
SG – Crawford
SF – Morrow
PG – Jackson
C – Maggette

Thats some small ball that I could definetly see in the near future

by Gurthy on Nov 21, 2008 12:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ha, Morrow has 2 good games and you want to yank the NBA’s leading rebounder out of the lineup? Keep Morrow as the 6th/7th/8th man and I kinda like it

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 12:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yea

So we’re gonna have Biedrins coming off the bench? Leading rebounder and double-double leader? I’m sure we’re gonna win a lot with no one stopping all of the dominant bigs in the west.

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 12:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well when biedrins

is on the bench for those 15 minutes a game he is, i could see this lineup popping up for a 3 minute run or something, but not with maggette at center, he just isn’t tall enough to play center, wright would prbly play center

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 12:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My point exactly

Jackson can guard pretty much anyone. I know Nellie loves his small ball but he’s been putting more emphasis on defense and rebounding. Biedrins, Turiaf or Wright on the floor at all times.

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 1:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

right

You must be confusing him with Ron Ron. Action Jackson is overrated defeneser. Now we gave 2 dood that will jacks up 3’s. Nothing against Crawford scoring abitily, but he better be trade bait.

by warriorfan4life on Nov 21, 2008 6:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your comment was not taken seriously

once you said the word “defenser.” Then, when you said “2 dood” and you spelled abitily, it gives me the idea that you have down’s syndrome.

Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement

by StSaints408 on Nov 22, 2008 2:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's an insult to those with downs

Many of them can spell better than warriorfan4life. “Never go full warriorfan4life”

"No no Nene!"
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 24, 2008 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not the starting lineup

Obviously…. this would be a line up to throw out in the middle of a game or against certain opponents… not starting every game. Come on!

by Gurthy on Nov 21, 2008 2:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Lee takes up more space than Wright and has been a better rebounder . His defensive splits indicate that he’s more apt to give an opposing big a tough night. Lee has struggled with D’antoni’s gameplan, his reboundings slipping, especially on the offensive end. Unfortunately, I suspect that things would be more similar under Nelson. Lee can contribute quite a bit, but I fear that this is not the time or the place.

by jae on Nov 21, 2008 7:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not necessarily

i think Lee’s rebounding numbers would go up considering the amount bricks that jax throws up a night. Lee could get 10 boards a night just off of jax misses alone.

be the change you wish to see in the world.

by Rach on Nov 21, 2008 8:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If we do get crawford...

expect some other moves to be made. I mean WTF how many goddamn mother effing putang inang guards can we have in our team. This move just solidifies our spot as a 10-15th place team in the west, good enough to win a decent amount of games but going nowhere.

Although this is better than my original trade proposal of a plate of pansit palabok and 2 goldilocks mamon for Harrington this just pisses the crap out of me that I’m just gonna go to redtube even if the Warriors ddnt play and lose tonight.

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Nov 21, 2008 1:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

My guess is he will be our starting point guard

He has played it some before and right now we are starting games with out one at all.

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 1:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

dam

im hungry now

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by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 21, 2008 3:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and with this move

i guess all the lavish praise on Morrow is classic Nellie speak? I mean unless Morrow is gonna be ahead of Bukake in the rotation how the heck are you going to split minutes between all the 1-2-3 players we have?

warriors dont fish they hunt!

by VonteegoCummings on Nov 21, 2008 1:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think Buike would come off of the bench for now.

Morrow is so hot, start him for now. Plus Buike was destined back to the bench when Monta comes back anyways. But Buike still will get plenty of mins coming off the bench.

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 1:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well heres a rough estimate of minutes at the 1 2 and 3 spots

19min cj
39jack
29 morrow
29 crawford
29 buike

for the 4 and 5
35 maggs
35 andris
13 ronny
13 Bwright

by Warriorfan on Nov 21, 2008 1:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

so

Maggs gets ALL his minutes at the 4? And then what happens when Ellis comes back?

by sam23 on Nov 21, 2008 1:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford>Watson

I see C.J. with even less minutes if we get Crawford.

by Captain Jack on Nov 21, 2008 1:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that

was because he was our only pg

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by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 21, 2008 3:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

Nellie would like Belinelli a lot if everybody else was injured.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 11:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well

say good bye to cj cause his pt is going to be zip
and this is just an estimate you know how nelli is he plays whos best at that moment but i see morrow dropping big time unless he continues to amaze everyone

by Warriorfan on Nov 21, 2008 1:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Here's another take on the potential deal

According to Adam Lauridsen from the Mercury News,

“First and foremost, I’m shocked that we might actually get a contributing player for Harrington. Given his poor play the last year and large contract, I didn’t expect there to be a market for Al. Jamal Crawford is not without warts, but he’s a legitimate NBA player that could step in tomorrow and help the Warriors.”

To read the rest of the story, click here.

I hear some of the fans on this site saying Crawford would be bad for this team, and I completely disagree. The Warriors are league leaders in blocks, offensive rebounds and almost lead the league in scoring. Nelly has done a tremendous job coaching this team.

I’m not sure if anyone remembers this but last year our biggest problems were rebounding and defense. Now it’s one of our strengths b/c of our coaching. Nelly, just like the genius he is, will utilize Crawford into his system and our team will be a lot better for it.

Oh and one more thing, last year we only played 8 players in the rotation. With the emergence of Morrow, and CJ Watson along with Monta Ellis coming back, we will be 10 deep. This will be a GOOD trade once it goes down.

"All I can say is wow!"

by gswfan4life on Nov 21, 2008 2:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Crawford or Malik Rose

that same article from Adam has an update that quotes other sources saying its not Crawford its Malik Rose coming over from the Knicks. Well its an expiring contract at least but hard to imagine we’d ever use Malik for any min this year at least Crawford has some contribution to offer other than future salary cap space.

by godsgift on Nov 21, 2008 3:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't follow
I’m not sure if anyone remembers this but last year our biggest problems were rebounding and defense. Now it’s one of our strengths b/c of our coaching.

Last year our coach was Nellie, this year our coach is Nellie. How exactly has that changed? I’d pin that more on Beans becoming a beast, Turiaf being better than any one of our backups, Maggette being better than BD, Wright contributing…

It’s the personnel rather than the coaching, IMO.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Please let it bei Rose

RealGM suggests a trade for the expiring Rose.

I dislike Crawford a lot and really hope they trade for the money not for the “talent”. Btw Nellie and a ten man rotation….don`t think so.

by TheGerman on Nov 21, 2008 3:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

wow

donnie walsh loves Al harrington so much still from his Indiana days that he is giving away the knicks only final shot maker?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO1nUfObERw this is gonna be werid well at least hes gonna be our dagger but i was hooping it would of been Morrow.

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by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 21, 2008 3:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

i

meant that morrow would make our final shots

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by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 21, 2008 3:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

God that was an ugly video

He made a stupid decision and a turnover in the final seconds of a tie game, then miraculously stole the ball right back and made a long buzzer beater. I don’t know whether to be disheartened that he took care of the ball so poorly or excited about how he made up for it. In the end, he did make the play… seems like he’ll fit right in with the Warriors!!! Exciting, but nerve wracking…

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

rofl my waffle

Eddy Curry planning to join Q-rich and Crawford in a leaping chest bump but thinking better of it and awkwardly hugging Crawford instead.

I feel bad for Curry because he doesn’t get to play and he’s fat. That makes him pitiable in my book.

by antihero on Nov 24, 2008 2:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Good thing Curry held up on that chest bump, he might have killed him.

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by olympicmike on Nov 24, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

oh

snap i found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTxffPMs3ms&feature=related

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by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 21, 2008 3:26 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Puzzling

Crawford would be great…well good, if we had a run and fun point guard but I think Jackson and Crawford are going to push 40 shots a game and neither of them are sharpshooters.

Crawford at 45% for threes this year? Maybe he’ll prove me wrong.

by The Count of Monta Cristo on Nov 21, 2008 3:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jamal Crawford is a good deal!!

Take a look at it this way… the minute Al’s name and trade became a reality, names started being thrown around from all sides about ways to improve the team. What do the Warriors need? A point guard. Its as simple as that: anyone watching the games know they need someone to run the offense. Do they need a low post presence? yes… but they have needed that since Webber left…

So what was the reality? Gerald Wallace? Well yes… he didn’t fit the hole but he is too good of a player to pass up on in the right system. Sean Williams from the Nets? Well maybe, but then we are contradicting the 100 other posts pleading for more playing time for the young guys Wright and Randolph. The Knicks seemed to be the best fit trading wise (thanks Donny Walsh for being in love with the headache that is Al Harrington. Al your great..but you think your a 10 when your prolly a 6 or 5 at best.) We arent going to get Lee… we aren’t going to get Chandler (they love him here in NY where I live now) or Robinson (see: Chandler), we dont want Q-Rich (laugher) or gulp Eddy Curry. Marbury? Only at the vet minimum… too much risk. So who then? Crawford. Big point guard to take in with talent who could excel in the right system, and already is in D’Antoni’s run around here. Come on guys… its the best deal out there, and Im really happy with it.

What if we take Malik Rose instead? Well, Im actually still happy. Yesterday, before this trade goes down we are a good team making headway until our superstar comes back. We are the same team today who puts up a fight against everyone. Playoff team? We play better when we have no expectations.

Either way, things are starting to look up in Warrior’s land (thank you A-Mo). At least now we can move on from all the talks and actually start putting bodies on the floor that want to play for this team.

by pinkycheal on Nov 21, 2008 6:26 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

What happened to

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Those are always the best!

by Tony.psd on Nov 21, 2008 6:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like it

Becuase we are not getting any worse with this move. We are not really taking a risk. Its not like we are sending NY an important part of our game plan. We give up one player who doesnt even play. Its a great move by our office. Yeah he shoots a lot, but he must be doing something right, cause NY is still 7th in the East. And for the rebounds i can tell you he is going to get more than Al would from the bench.

Great move.

by Mr. Fandango on Nov 21, 2008 8:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We are taking a risk that Crawford will be dead weight for 3 years vs. Harrington being dead weight for 2.

If he must be doing something right because NY is in 7th now, does this mean he must have been doing something wrong, something horribly wrong for the previous several seasons when they stunk?

by jae on Nov 21, 2008 9:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

New Coach

The last couple of years the NY had a different system in play, now he is doing well in a simillar style that he will have here. And i understand you worry about the length of the contract but do you think that we are going to be worse with crawford on the floor, rather than Al on the bench. I think this is also good because Watson still has a lot to learn. Im not saying he can’t play or isn’t a good player but this gives him a little more time to devlope. We can’t expect CJ to do so much so soon

by Mr. Fandango on Nov 21, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Are we going to be worse with Crawford on the floor than we were with Al on the bench? That depends on whose PT Crawford takes. If we’re allowed to put him in as part of a 6 man lineup, it’s great, but since league rules prohibit 6-on-5 games, we’ll be seeing him in place of someone else.

His line this year (save rebounds—I don’t think he’s capable) has been better. It’s also been a very, very small sample size, far fewer than is necessary to make a real conclusion about his play. Is it really the best 10 or so game stretch of his career? If so, I might be convinced. If not, it’s still up in the air. The safer approach is to assume that he’s the player he’s been for a half dozen seasons rather than the player he’s been for a half dozen games.

by jae on Nov 21, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What's this Malik Rose crap???

Cbssportsline.com is saying that the trade is for Malik Rose?? I hope that just some idiots unfounded guess…

As for Crawford?

Harrington is disgruntled and hasn’t been playing to his potential since he put on a Warriors jersey, he’d have some hot games but really couldn’t put anything together consistently.

At this point, Crawford is a much better scorer and it allows an opportunity to keep developing our young front court.

This is only going to help our squad.

by esco41510 on Nov 21, 2008 8:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

If Crawford is the guy in the deal

I would think the lineup would be something like this until Monta gets back
G:Crawford
G:Morrow
F:Jackson
F:Maggette
C:Beans
Bench:Buike, Wright, Turiaf, Watson
When Monta gets back we can simply move either Morrow or Crawford to the bench.

by superk1ng on Nov 21, 2008 8:32 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

it IS for Malik Rose

it’s been confirmed from many sources that it is for Malik Rose. He makes 7.8 million this year, and the Warriors are able to do a straight trade because its within 25% of AL’s salary. no-risk move that will give us $$ next year and allow our players to develop.

by ncarolinafan042 on Nov 21, 2008 8:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Dear God, I hope the Rose thing is true. But is anyone reporting that that hasn’t just taken it from Vecsey’s mindless speculation? So far I’ve only seen parroting of that initial thing…

Why the Rose deal would be good: Al’s real value is as a cap commodity, not a player. Rose is a better commodity — slightly smaller cap figure, but he expires a year quicker. He’s a tastier piece for other teams to acquire. Teams are more focused on 2010 than 2009, but there’s always a team looking to shave payroll to sign somebody, to get under the luxury tax, etc.

If we trade Al for Rose, we get another chance to land somebody. We can trade Rose in a solo deal right away, and package him two month from the trade date, meaning there’d be time to package him before the trade deadline. Teams are more desperate at the trade deadline — they’re more likely to give up real talent then. Also, we’ll have had Monta back for a stretch at that point, so we’ll have a better sense of what we actually need. Now would frankly be a really dumb time to trade value for a point guard, seeing as our intended starter hasn’t played yet. Trading for Rose would basically improve our trading position while removing unhappy Al. I’d be DELIGHTED with that.

Why the Crawford deal would be bad: Jamal Crawford is a low-efficiency volume scorer who rebounds horribly. He passes well for a SG, but really isn’t a PG in any true sense of the term. He’s kind of a spunky player. He’s essentially Stephen Jackson, if Jack sucked at defense.

If you think the cure for this team’s ills is another Stephen Jackson who can’t play D, I don’t know what to tell ya. This team is not suffering from a lack of swingmen. Maggette’s better than Crawford, Jack’s better than Crawford (due to defense), Monta’s certainly a better hybrid guard than Crawford… Azubuike’s a very strong backup, and Morrow has at least proved he deserves to be in the rotation. Crawford would give us exactly what we don’t need: another guy who’ll jack up a lot of shots and lower our efficiency.

It’s not that Crawford sucks… it’s not even that he’s worse than Al. He’s probably a better player than Al, and he’d improve our talent level overall. But he’s no more of a point guard than Monta, and he wouldn’t address any of the real issues with this team. We should be able to better for Al. And trading for Rose would probably enable us to do that.

by onlxn on Nov 21, 2008 9:02 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

So Rose

Seems to be defense/rebound oriented. Not bad for a team missing rebounding, but will nellie play him?

by mosdl on Nov 21, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rose is terrible

The only possible drawback to acquiring him is that Nellie might be tempted to play him in meaningful situations (or even meaningless ones that would be better given to Rudolph and Wright).

Otherwise, he’s a fabulous pickup, for all the reasons onlxn mentions — plus the fact that his maturity, championship rings and (presumable) relationship with Jack should make him a solid “clubhouse presence.”

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 21, 2008 9:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

couldnt agree more

Where would are minutes go..?? especially once Monta is back. And what about morrow? I know it’s only been two games but even before his 2 starts he was hittin shots and when Don Nelson says a rookie is the “real deal” come on you know he’s not BSin that

by FeartheBeard4 on Nov 21, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good read...

I don’t know that Crawford sucks as bad as you seem to, but his numbers certainly do back the “like Jax but no defense” take. Knicks fans love him, to contradict your theory. But the biggest part is that he actually doesn’t get us anywhere near anything. He’s a sideways move, or a fix of a short term problem, but not really anything special… Rose, on the other hand, would be perfect in that we’d have a true expiring commodity that can be packaged 2 months from now… which, oddly enough, is right before the trade deadline!

Let’s hope.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really, really, really like the idea of handicapping the front office for 2 months

By late Jan we’ll know what kind of team we have: rebuilding or retooling. And we’ll be able to make the appropriate trade for the appropriate talent we need. We’ll know what Monta can do, we’ll know if he’s going to be back at 100% any time soon. We’ll know what BWright can do, etc. It’s all-in-all a good thing.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I

Would be happy with that trade! Nellie would have to change crawfords mindset of Shooting all the time and tell him to rebound! but when Ellis Gets back we will have the DEEPEST Bench in the league(besides the lakers) just hope the bench will be able to produce every game

by Warriors8 on Nov 21, 2008 9:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

All Vecsey heard

was the the Knicks were getting Al, He just was guessing who the Knicks would then give up, there are no sources to who it actually being Malik. If you read the articles it makes it clear, he is just guessing on who the Knicks might give up.

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 9:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

CONFIRMED

I AM SO HAPPY! Bye Al and your shitty attitude, I respected you and wanted you to put the team on your shoulders, but you failed repeatedly. Welcome Crawford!
Here is the link- http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3717209

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 9:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

LOL you posted it on here

5 mins after ESPN did… nice stuff

by dyun on Nov 21, 2008 9:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Shiet

And I’m at work bruh! I’m so psyched, go Warriors!

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On to the next part of this trade, since they’ve agreed (in principle), do you think it’ll be a straight up trade or will more players be involved?

Personally, I’d like it if we traded Harrington and Belinelli for Crawford and Lee. Now, I know alot of you, including me don’t want to give up on Belinelli just yet and consider him a bust, but once Harrington is gone, we’ll be quite thin at the 4 and I think David Lee would be a great addition to our team off the bench and we could have one more big man that can run the floor and cause mismatches. The salaries match up almost perfectly.

Just my two cents. What do you guys think?

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by JustSomeName on Nov 21, 2008 9:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

lol that'd be cool to pick up lee

brings great energy and is pretty tough on the boards and stuff
and we don’t play belinelli anyways…
let’s just watch him turn into another one of those warriors turned into star after leaving the bay

by dyun on Nov 21, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bustinelli

I don’t think we have to worry about that. While it would have been nice to pick up David Lee, it wasn’t going to happen. I’m happy with how the deal worked out, no question about it. We got rid of a disgruntled player for another team’s leading scorer, who will help us now. Win f&ckin’ win.

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 9:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously yall...

What’s with the negativity? We should be happy that our team cares enough to make a move that will help our team RIGHT NOW. This makes for some great lineups-
Crawford/Morrow/Jax/Maggs/Goose…
When Monta comes back…
Crawford/Monta (Interchangeable, tho I’d take Monta at the 2) Jax/Maggs/Biedrins, with Morrow/Buike off the bench? WOW.

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 9:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

i can't even work right now

i’m like looking at all these NBA related websites
+ had to put in my daily vote for BIEDRINS!

by dyun on Nov 21, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't work either

I’m too excited. This is amazing

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 9:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+ had to put in my daily vote for BIEDRINS

hells yeah

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Nov 21, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

damn

warriors have too many ballhogs on the team now

by etsmash on Nov 21, 2008 9:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Uhh

I’ll edit your comment for you- t
“warriors have too many scorers on the team now”

oh noes! we got a scorer for someone who didnt play their position and was a cancer in the locker room!

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Crawford

Is a decent passer… You have to forgive him for jacking up shots last year
His team sucked

But I think he still averaged something like 5 apg last year

by dyun on Nov 21, 2008 9:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

So now the question is… when Monta comes back… Do we keep him at the point and let monta play his natural 2?

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 10:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think some people understand, its not JUST about PPG and just cause we now possibly have all these 20+ PPG players in Monta, Maggs, Jax, Beans, Crawford, and possibly Morrow if he keeps up what he’s been doing, that doesn’t mean we’ll be scoring 120+ every night.There are only so many minutes that can be distributed between our entire roster.

The Celtics are a perfect example, Garnett Allen and Pierce all saw their PPG lower a bit once they got together because they meshed into a TEAM and took less shots and got less points for the betterment of the team and to win a championship. I don’t know if the Warriors can do that with so many shooters and still nobody to dish out dimes.

But then again, I still think having Crawford on the team is much better than having Harrington do nothing at all. GO DUBS!

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by JustSomeName on Nov 21, 2008 10:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think people bring up PPG

just to reinforce the fact that he has the ability to score… no one really expects us to have 4-5 20 ppg scorers on 1 team
if u have a team full of people who understand when to pass/shoot and trust each other…
it won’t matter that we don’t have a “great” passer at the guard spot
people win championships without a 9 apg guy on their team
like the spurs or lakers when they won… but they did have a big guy in the post who demanded doubles… heh

by dyun on Nov 21, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

morrow over crawford?

i’d love to see the guy shape out to be as good as he looks, but lets not get too excited about morrow. i’d take a guy who has averaged 20 pts for a few years over a guy that has had two good games. at least for now. and the contract thing is not an issue, sorry guys, lebron or bosh are not looking to the bay in 2010.

by norcal225 on Nov 21, 2008 10:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I start Morrow at the 2 with Crawford at point until Monta comes back, and then have him come off the bench.

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow that was written terribly...

I start Morrow at 2 With Crawford at the point until Monta comes back, then have Morrow come off the bench as the 6th man. Fixed lol

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 10:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah totally. realistically murrow is not going to keep putting up points like. i really wish he is going to be our next star, but you cant count on that right away after 2 games. hed be nasty off the bench though when monta gets back.

by norcal225 on Nov 21, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

PLAYOFFS!

THIS GETS US A 20 PPG SCORER WHO CAN PLAY POINT GUARD AND CAUSE TONS OF MATCHUP PROBLEMS FOR THE WARRIORS..I TAKE CRAWFORD OVER CJ WATSON ANYDAY!!!!! ALSO WHEN MONTA COMES BACK WE CAN MOVE HIM MORE TO HIS NATURAL POSITION AT SHOOTING GUARD… I LOVE IT!

by AP DIDDY on Nov 21, 2008 10:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

I really like what CJ has done for us and how he has played very well this year, but Crawford is a better player for us at this point. CJ will do great backing him up at the point.

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard that they also included some lowercase letters in the deal. You should see if they’ve arrived at the Oracle since it appears you’ve run out.

by jae on Nov 21, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

AHHHHHH!11!!!!111

"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Nov 21, 2008 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WIN NOW

This trade was an obvious move for the dubs to win NOW rather than waiting around for Monta. We can’t afford to just hope that we’re aound .500 until he comes back and then make a push for playoffs. With Jamal on board, Mullin thinks that we have a better chance of winning NOW, and it’s gonna take time for Monta to be 100%. Yes, our starting lineup is quite small, but our average size isn’t so bad because all our guards are pretty big, and we know BEANS is solid. We now have one of the deeper benches as well with Buke, Wright, Turiaf, CJ, Morrow (when Monta is back).

I still think we need a star power forward to win a championship in this league.

Crawford
Morrow
Cap
Magg
BEANS

by honkiehonk on Nov 21, 2008 10:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This deal is only good if...

Crawford opts out next year, otherwise, we’re stuck with yet another SG or Combo Guard for the next few years. I don’t know about you, but I want a real PG on the team. Let’s see who we curently have at SG:

Sjax
Azubuike
Bellinelli
Morrow
Crawford
Ellis

Let’s not forget that DeMarcus Nelson, CJ Watson, and Marcus Williams are still on the team. Of those three, only Marcus Williams is the “true” PG. I guess you can make an argument for Nelson and Watson, but their assists are not PG worthy.

So really, we have 9 freakin’ guards on our team and the only PG is Marcus Williams who doesn’t play.

PERFECT!!!

-No Signature

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 21, 2008 10:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I understand Sjax and Buike will play SF

but still, they’re guards in my opinion. I will accept whatever Nellie decides to do with this roster as I have faith in him. But this current roster is pretty ridiculous as much as it is talent loaded.

-No Signature

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 21, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be surprised

if we deal crawford away once monta comes back healthy. I’m pretty sure he has more trade value than harrington.

by racsan on Nov 21, 2008 11:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, at least we have expendables now

This might be unpopular, but I feel Azubuike (once he becomes tradeable…he was just signed so he can’t be traded for three months or so) is just as expendable as Bellinelli. I love Buike, but I also really want the Warriors to try to tap into Bellinelli’s potential a bit more before giving up on him.

We have tons of guards, so let’s try to do something with them, if that means trading for picks or other positions.

-No Signature

by Doctor Kajita on Nov 21, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

NO

What has Bellinelli shown you that makes you want to keep him. He had one good summer game a year ago. He hits a three every once in a while and that’s it. Why do so many of you love Marco. Everything we wanted in Bellinelli we are now seeing in Morrow. There is no reason to keep Marco around.

by Number22Drew on Nov 21, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

size matters

As of now. I’m assuming this trade will send the Bukie to the bench and crawford to PG.

PG- Crawford/Watson
SG- Morrow/Bukie
SF- Jack/Randolph
PF- Maggs/Wright
C- Beans/Turiaf

a nice little 10 man rotation.

This trade can be good. This will hopefully get jack of the court more often instead of playing 42 mpg, because that will wear him out fast.

when monta gets back i can’t figure out whether crawford is going to go to the bench of start. I feel he should be our sixth man and keep morrow on the floor.

I hope our “super genius” coach would look at matchups when we play the Lakers and Utah and the other teams with goood PF. Playing wright instead of Maggs.

We have a lot of good players there just under 6’5’’ haha.

by MopedSafetyPlease on Nov 21, 2008 11:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

By minutes played, I'd love to see something like this...

1. Crawford 30 / Jack 10 / Watson 8
2. Morrow 20 / Azubuike 20 / Jack 8
3. Jack 20 / Maggette 24 / Randolph 4
4. Maggette 10 / Wright 24 / Randolph 10 / Turiaf 4
5. Biedrins 34 / Turiaf 14

Think of it as an audition phase: when Monta returns, Mulson should have enough info to decide which of Craw/Morrow/Buki to take minutes from.

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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 21, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm...

Give Randolph’s minutes to Buke and you got it on the nose I think… Randolph might get 5 minutes here and there, but not regularly. And send 4 minutes from Wright to Turiaf.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And this team doesn't look half bad...

And we’ve still got Monta to come back… He’s the best trade asset we’ve got. I could see us packaging him with Belinelli or something… I’d love Rasheed Wallace or Tayshaun Prince, but Monta isn’t quite what Detroit would want…

Crawford
Jax
Maggs
Wallace
Biedrins

With Buke, Turiaf, Morrow, Wright coming off the bench… it could almost work…

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what

monta the future of this team, crawford goes before monta goes

by montamazing on Nov 21, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are retarded

Become a Celtics fan.

Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement

by StSaints408 on Nov 24, 2008 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I post a trade...

You respond with personal attacks. Great! Why do you think my suggestion is so terrible? Why do you think so lowly of the mentally disabled? Why should I become a Celtics fan? I hate all the Bostonites, I hate Tommy Heinson and his homeristic announcing, I’m not looking forward to watching the game on NESN tomorrow listening to him cry foul every time Pierce drives down the lane… What’s with the angst?

Why would it be bad to get rid of Monta for an All Star big man like Rasheed Wallace? If you comment on my suggestion instead of with inane personal attacks I might respect you a little more.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 25, 2008 8:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Trade a young, budding star

for an old and out of his prime big. hmmm

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by StSaints408 on Nov 25, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Have a mismatched line up with a huge hole at the 4 and an overcrowded backcourt?

Hmmm…

We can play this game all day. I understand that you (and many others) have a man crush on Monta, but you have to admit that my line up is pretty solid and would make a good run in the playoffs.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 25, 2008 9:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

for an old and out of his prime big. hmmm

  Montays busted leg and questionable future even up the deal. Did you happen to watch sheed play recently? He’s got two good legs even if they are a bit old. The point however was we need a sheed more than we need a scooter, we’ve got a ton of small guys or tall skinny kids but we don’t have enough veteran tough guys since we lost Boom and JRich. Jax and Magette are our primary vets so sheed would give us a big boost in credibility.

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Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 25, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really think that we are going to make the playoffs this year?

Sheed is 34, Monta is 23. Unless something really amazing happens, there is no playofss for this season. It’s rebuilding time whether you like it or not, and trading a young star for an old man is not what the team needs.

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by StSaints408 on Nov 27, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Crawford stays on for the next 2 years, along with the rest of our salary, we won’t have more than the MLE in free agency to get an average (at best) 4. And back to years or mediocrity.

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by JustSomeName on Nov 21, 2008 11:28 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Terrible Trade

We will regret this. We’re overstocked with decent guards. Its a PT nightmare once Monta gets back

by andrisBthousand on Nov 21, 2008 11:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Overstocked with decent guards=

overstocked with trade commodities

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by JustSomeName on Nov 21, 2008 11:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm in favor it

it seems like everyone is about 60-40 in favor of the trade…

I posted an entry with my thoughts on why its a good trade, actually a really good trade

http://goldenarrival.blogspot.com/

http://goldenarrival.blogspot.com

by NinerWarrior on Nov 21, 2008 11:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You called it.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Nov 21, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats

Want a cookie?

How many other trades have you called for that didn’t happen?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 22, 2008 1:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I knew it!!!

Mullin is slum’n here for trade ideas, that proves it

by hardcore on Nov 23, 2008 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For better or for worse, who do you think was behind this trade? Rowell, Nelson, Mullin, or a combination of the 3?

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by JustSomeName on Nov 21, 2008 11:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I’m not. I would not hesitate to trade off Marcus Williams, CJ Watson, Demarcus Nelson, and Marco Belinelli (I’d be a bit more hesitant on Marco) before I even think about trading away Buike. He is somebody that we need to keep off the bench, great defensive player and he can drive to the hoop with power.

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by JustSomeName on Nov 21, 2008 12:02 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I SMELL PLAYOFFS!

we robbbbbbbed the bank sonnnnnn!

=]

good bye harrington.

crawford is a savage, we need a player now not some damaged goods who isn’t going to play for the team.

you guys can argue stats all you want, don’t get me wrong.

im all for this trade, im suprised we’re getting craw-fish.

GEE GOLLY WIZZ!!!! =] PLAYOFFS!

by itzlilgx23 on Nov 21, 2008 12:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

goddammit nellie. i was liking wright, i thought he showing alot and wanna see more. develop him u dumb bastard…

what i’d like to see come january minute breakdown

monte 36mpg
jack 36 mpg
maggs 36 mpg
wright 25 mpg
biedrins 34 mpg
——-
turiaf 14 mpg
crawford 26 mpg
buke 15 mpg
morrow 18 mpg

what WILL HAPPEN

monte 40
crawford 40
jack 42
maggette 40
biedrins 36
—-
morrow 20
buke 10
wright 2
turiaf 10

by Warriors510 on Nov 21, 2008 12:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1 the probable emergence of morrow and this trade for crawford

spells the end of bwright. does he have sit on the bench with the team or could he sit with warrior girls on the floor?

be the change you wish to see in the world.

by Rach on Nov 21, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wright ... 2. :-(

You may be right, but that would suck royally.

BWright is quietly having a kickass sophomore season. In his measly 18 mpg:

• 19.6 PER (sixth among all qualified NBA SFs, just ahead of Paul Pierce)
• 8.8 Roland rating (second best on the team after Anthony “God” Morrow)

There’s really no reason not to play him 25 minutes a game: he’s a perfect fit for Nellieball, he helps the team now, and giving him minutes can only accelerate his growth into a legit NBA PF. If one of the repercussions of this trade is that we play more smallball and BWright has to sit more than he would have, I oppose it. Anything under 15 minutes a night for BWright is a crime!

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 21, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

6th among SF?

Do you think he should be or is a SF? I’m not one to get too hung up on position but I’m pretty sure he plays almost exclusively at PF (even a little center) for this team.

As far as his minutes go, I’ve been surprised that he hasn’t played more since Al has been out. I don’t think that much will change for him after the trade. CJ, Marcus and Marco on the other hand, can say goodbye to most of their playing time. If Nellie thinks Wright deserves to play he will find him a spot on the floor.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Nov 21, 2008 2:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't know why they listed him at SF

FWIW, among PFs he’d be #11. It’s still too early to say much (I mean, Ryan Anderson and Marreese Speights are two of the Top 10 guys at PF) but in his limited time this year and last, Wright has done nothing but produce. And he looks smoother, a bit bigger, and more confident this year. I’d really love to know why Nellie has been so stingy with his minutes.

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 21, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"I’d really love to know why Nellie has been so stingy with his minutes."

Me too.

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Nov 21, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

CONSPIRACY THEORY ALERT!!!

Nellie’s limiting his minutes to ensure a cheaper extension, just like he did with Biedrins.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 22, 2008 1:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We keep on hearing "Oh he''ll be getting consistent minutes"

…And yet we see him getting 20+ Minutes one night, then a vicitim of Nellie’s matchup bonanza (resulting in a DNP-CD).

He’s been a +6 on the season in +/-. One of only a few on the team. Nellie—You need to play this guy more!

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 25, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he could be +6 b/c Nellie has only put him in when he's a good match up.

we saw this effect and argument before. remember Diogu, anyone?

by the evil monkey on Nov 28, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i dont see why we cant start crawford, maggs, jack, wright, biedrins… w/ morrow, buke, turiaf as first choice subs…
and then hopefully randolph seeing some time too

i like wrights help d and blocking ability. He may not be able to pound w/ duncan and amare… but he can help on guys driving the line way more than mags

by Warriors510 on Nov 21, 2008 12:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cause Don Nelson is our coach and he would much rather outscore you than out defend you.

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by JustSomeName on Nov 21, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like that

Starting Biedrins and Wright is what I prefer, but of course, I’m not the coach. We have so many guards, why can’t we alternate who starts at SG and SF once in a while? Especially when Monta comes back, I think Maggs and Azubuike will have to come off the bench more often (IF we play Wright, which we won’t).

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by Doctor Kajita on Nov 21, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is good trade!

Look, we need a big guard who is more of a point than Monte. While, Crawford is not perfect (Baron Davis was. I wonder whatever happened to him), he can be that guy. Our team needs 3-point shooters. Our threes force teams to play man, which then in turn allows us to get to the paint. If we have Crawford and Morrow as 3point threats, then that allows Maggette and SJack to take their men of the dribble. Now as much as I hate Harrington, and hate to see him happy, Crawford is the best we can get right now. Additionally, Crawford can opt out of his contract this summer. Even though after this season he has 2yrs 20mil left, I can see him opting out. The man will be 29y/o this summer. So he has one last big contract left. He can probably get a 5yr 50mil contract this summer. When he is 31y/o 2yrs from now, the best he could do is probably 3yrs 18-20mil. So, in conclusion, good trade!

by GSFranky on Nov 21, 2008 12:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

in the 4 games wright avg’d over 20 mins (denver trhur minnesota) we went 2-2. He averaged 27.8 minutes, he shot 18-32 from field (56), 73.3 from the line, 11.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, and 2.25 bpg! (along w/ .75 spg)!

This guy needs to play and i like him as a starter, even if he doesnt finish. I think switching to small ball in middle of game is mroe effective

by Warriors510 on Nov 21, 2008 12:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think this is a good deal for you guys.

Nellie’s plan is to outscore everyone anyway, I think he’s a good fit for Nellie’s offense. He’ll get more open looks than he did in NY, because of Jax and Maggs, and Monta when he comes back – double-teaming one guy leaves someone else open. Craw carried the offense in NY despite being the target for other teams to shut down.

Plus Al wasn’t playing and was in Nellie’s doghouse alot.

You guys beat us up (the Blazers) by pouring on offense and now you are adding another weapon? You’ll also have some depth to overcome injuries.

I think Warriors make the playoffs this year.

Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Nov 21, 2008 12:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

And the Blazers won’t. Muahahahaha.

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by JustSomeName on Nov 21, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Naw, they both will. Dallas and SA will sit this one out I think.

Plus you still have to play us in our house…

Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Nov 21, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, just the Warriors will.

"Monta is the MAN." -Bob Fitzgerald

by WarriorForLife on Nov 21, 2008 8:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

=\

wowww… haha your hilarious but

Portland a sick team, I don’t hate them at all… they’re talented and they are going to West competitors so don’t count them out

but thank you!

finally some people that agree with me

with morrow and crawford at the 3pt line, we really have weapons.

PLAYOFFS!

by itzlilgx23 on Nov 21, 2008 12:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

at first

It is like why another guard? Especially a combo guard. But what I think is on Mullin’s mind is for while Monta is out. This will give us a HUGE burst in offense while Monta is out and I only see our record getting better until Monta comes back not worse. Also it will give Monta time to get his rust out then I think we may trade crawford cause like someone said earlier he is a good trade commodity. Plus as far as power forwards go I think Mullin is hoping that one of bwright or Randolph can develop into that spot eventually, maybe not this year, but eventually. So at first I was saying just get Rose so we get some cap space but now I’m saying screw it we can always trade our guards.

by FeartheBeard4 on Nov 21, 2008 1:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Have to agree on a good trade

Question is………….who did it?

Mully? or Rowell?

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 21, 2008 1:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

probably Mullin

Given his relationship with Donnie Walsh

by bwiles81 on Nov 21, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s offical: Warriors.com

The Golden State Warriors have acquired guard Jamal Crawford from the New York Knicks in exchange for forward Al Harrington, the team announced today.

by bimboandmookie on Nov 21, 2008 1:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Mullin, Crawford quotes

“I am really excited and energized about this opportunity,” said Crawford. “The Warriors have been one of the most entertaining and fun teams in the league the last few years and I think my abilities are very conducive with their style and their needs. It will be a tremendous honor to play for one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game, Don Nelson, and to be a part of a young team with a lot of emerging talent.”

“We are elated to add a player of Jamal’s ability to our team,” said Executive Vice President of Basketball Operations Chris Mullin. “We think he is an excellent fit for our style and the fact that he can play multiple positions as a combo guard is a big plus. Additionally, he is a player who can help us immediately due to some of our injuries and, looking down the road, would have the ability to play with any combination of players in the backcourt.”

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10684

by pree on Nov 21, 2008 1:29 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks pree

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Nov 21, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mullin...

Did Mullin do the deal or Rowell?

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by olympicmike on Nov 21, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The only problem with this trade is

It might take away minutes from morrow, and i just added him to my fantasy team =[

by Calamity on Nov 21, 2008 1:59 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

same here

but you never know with nellie’s lineups – plus, he tends to put the best players on the floor. If Morrow plays better than Crawford or someone else, he’s in.

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by 61st Amendment on Nov 21, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So

Anybody have an idea on when we will see Crawford in uniform for us? It would be a shame if his first game for the dubs is that game VS philly thats not televised.

by The Count of Monta Cristo on Nov 21, 2008 2:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Anybody have an idea on when we will see Crawford in uniform for us?

There ya go.

And by the way, justin.tv usually broadcasts all NBA games every night. And should be broadcasting the Philly game from whatever channel the Philly’s watch their games from.

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by JustSomeName on Nov 21, 2008 2:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cant knock a guy that

was averaging 20 points a game on a decent Knicks team this year.. I think he’s a poor man’s monta ellis tho..hahaha.. our scorings down from last year so he’d help us by being another offensive weapon..i think he would take Watson’s minutes at this point moreso than Morrow’s..

by warrior2thagrave on Nov 21, 2008 2:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I love this trade.

Al didn’t want to be here, and now we have some that will contribute. It’s that simple.

by Manute Nol on Nov 21, 2008 2:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

DAM

WHY DIDN’T WE TRADE FOR THIS GUY INSTEAD!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTKeCT-sDc8

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 21, 2008 2:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

link

is all screwed so copy and paste it

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 21, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

now

we need to trade belinelli or williams or both for a bulky PF

by gorillas on Nov 21, 2008 3:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Like say, Turiaf?

Seriously, the odds of someone giving us a big who is any more useful than Turiaf for worthless parts like Belinelli and Williams is pretty low.

by jae on Nov 21, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, like turiaf. im just trying to find a solution for our surplus guards. we need another banger. turiaf is good, but it wouldn’t hurt to get another big because right now we lack in that position, that is if you dont consider maggette a true pf…which i dont.

by gorillas on Nov 21, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd steer away from Sean Williams.

We need a stretch the floor bigman.

Warriors, Stupidest franchise in the league.

by kenntoe on Nov 21, 2008 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It wouldn’t be bad to have another player who can do something while sending out a couple who can do nothing, but I don’t think a Turiaf clone wins much for us. Turiaf isn’t exactly logging 40mpg. A shorter term solution would be to play Turiaf more. Since he’s getting short minutes, I don’t see why Nellie would start using another midling-mediocre big just because he’s on the roster.

It wouldn’t hurt, but I doubt it would help.

by jae on Nov 24, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I really don’t understand why Turiaf is playing so few minutes.

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by Goofus on Nov 25, 2008 10:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He will opt out next year

There are multiple teams in desperate need of shooters, He will opt out next year and cash in somewhere like Chicago ( yeah coming home ), Miami or even the CLippers.

I wouldnt read too much into him taking MOrrow’s minutes, because thats not true, Nelson will have no problem benching him if Morrow is outplaying him. Honestly if he isnt outplaying Crawford, and he is playing well, why bench him?

Crawford is also CLUTH. Multiple buzzer beaters in his career.

Al Harrington did this crap to us, he is the one who made this trade when he opened his mouth. Its hard to deal hard, when its a one sided trade. I mean, the only reason why we even got someone of Crawford’s talent is because Donnie Walsh LOVES Harrington. NO one else was offering that kind of talent, because they knew it would be only a matter of time before the Warriors got desperate that 10 mil was just sitting on the bench becoming a poison in a locker room full of young guys.

Al Harrington much like Baron Davis are all about themselves and not the team, and will forever be career short success bozos because they dont get it. Look at Kobe and what happened when he put team first.

Some people are just dumb.

Enjoy your Hollywood Baron! Enjoy New York Harrington, cant wait to see the New York press when you avg your 4 rebounds per game at PF.

LOSER.

by sjboy on Nov 21, 2008 4:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Doubtfull

I doubt he will find more, especially with the cap shrinking next year (given the economy). Unless he has a crazy successfull year of course.

by mosdl on Nov 21, 2008 6:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When Kobe put team first?

Ummm he demanded a trade when his team lost. Shows how much he cares about his team.

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by StSaints408 on Nov 24, 2008 11:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh almost forgot

Marco Bellineli is on the way out, dont be SHOCKED if Crawford is packaged with Marco for some picks and expiring contracts.

by sjboy on Nov 21, 2008 4:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

to Al for the 30 game effort when GSW was in their playoff run LOL. I think that small ball is truely here, we will just have to wait and see what happens when Monta is back in the line up. my vote is still Monta > Crawford. I agree that Crawford will give us a great lift while monta’s gone, but what happens after??? Crawford will be on his way out at the end of the season, regardless of what he does for us, unless ofcourse he takes us to the FINALS. haha. Im down to watch Nellie V2, as I have before. Do i smell RUN TMC revised… jack, maggs and J crawford

Captain Jack for MVP

by NickDiddy on Nov 21, 2008 6:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wish we got Zach Randolph instead

I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck

by chili01 on Nov 21, 2008 6:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I also thought that as well at first. But one overweight PF for another. I would rather have David Lee than Zach if it came to getting a bigger guy.

Captain Jack for MVP

by NickDiddy on Nov 21, 2008 6:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For all the people saying this was a terrible trade

This was an absolute steal. Al Harrington wanted to be traded, was publically feuding with the organization, and was playing extremelly poorly prior to leaving the team with “back spasms”. If you had asked me if we would of gotten anything for Harrington other then a draft pick or a crap player, I would of said not a chance. While im not overly fond of picking up another perimeter combo guard, I’m pleasantly surprised at the quality of player we got.

by kyzah on Nov 21, 2008 6:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I can’t help but agree with you on that. My only worries are wtf do we do once Monta comes back. How will the minutes be allocated??? Al was a bit of a bitch the last year or so, but its not like Nellie didnt give him a chance. He was crying about not getting to play a true PF!?!?!? When the hell has he evern played a true low post PF in his career. First he was underweight, now hes overweight, and to add insult to injury, he was lazy and unmotivated. if he really wanted to be a team player, he wouldve understood that nellie was clearing up the middle to work off of Andris, and couldnt crowd it with two low post guys so lets just see how happy he will be playing D’antoni’s new overweight Boris Diaw, cause all Im seeing from Ny is the same shit the Suns were doin, just with much less talent. C’mon, there, their best talent now is Q rich, who cant spell defense (um D-FENCE??/) and Nate Robinson (5 foot nothin).

Captain Jack for MVP

by NickDiddy on Nov 21, 2008 6:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Might as well have traded ...

MARCO BELINELLI too! MARCO will never get any playing time with all these 2 guards on the team.

by D3F1N1T3 on Nov 21, 2008 6:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Marco might be off to Jersey very soon.

Captain Jack for MVP

by NickDiddy on Nov 21, 2008 7:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

for who? and possibly a link?

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by JustSomeName on Nov 22, 2008 1:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that deal fell through…

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by JustSomeName on Nov 22, 2008 1:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well... the Crawford acquisition alters everything

Anything may be back on the table that they wanted to wait and see what Harrington netted…

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 22, 2008 1:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i guess not anymore. I like Marco and I’d like to see him get his minutes. we will see what transpires.

Captain Jack for MVP

by NickDiddy on Nov 22, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well

WE NEEDED CRAWFORD TONIGHT against the crappy ass bulls

by HoLdEmUP on Nov 22, 2008 3:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

When WILL we see crawford in a game for us? Sixers game? Wizards game?

WARRIORS BASKETBALL!!! Patiently waiting for a title...I may be waiting for a long time...

by JustSomeName on Nov 22, 2008 12:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

im hoping soon, after the bulls game last nite, we need him bad. Morrow looked pressured to step up, and giving anthony randolph those big minutes and the ball in the closing minutes proved not so worthy. So I am hoping we get Crawford in a uni soon.

Captain Jack for MVP

by NickDiddy on Nov 22, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he’ll be in attendance at the sixers game but wont play. he’ll play at the wizards game.

by gorillas on Nov 22, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How did you get away

with just 72 words?

Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement

by StSaints408 on Nov 22, 2008 8:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Haha,

did you count?

"...OlympicMike is clearly the Barack Obama of GSoM"-Sleepy

by olympicmike on Nov 23, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement

by StSaints408 on Nov 24, 2008 11:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Marco has proved to be a good team player

he needs to move though without the ball on offense.
He can pass the ball too. Make him play PG lol. Tall PGs FTW!

I will always be your fan JRich. Good Luck

by chili01 on Nov 23, 2008 10:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Will Hendrix be traded?

Or Kurz? Or Nelson? Gasp! Maybe Monta? By that logic all of those players should be traded.

Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement

by StSaints408 on Nov 27, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to say this as a Michigan alumnus, but...

This trade is absurd and anyone who thinks Crawford is going to bring anything substantial to this team is only fooling themselves. The Warriors couldn’t just stow Al in a closet for a few months and capitalize on that big expiring contract? If he wants to pout, who cares – he’d be gone at season’s end anyways. Now we’re getting stuck with a streaky volume shooter (think about that phrase for a second), who’s just going to cut into the playing time (and development) of the younger guys like Belinelli, Watson, Randolph, and Morrow (all of whom, except maybe Morrow, have a much higher ceiling than Crawford). The thing that pisses me off most about this trade is that it seems like something done purely for cosmetic purposes, to appease all the bandwagon fans from the last couple years. Rather than rebuilding with all the young talent they’ve got (and maybe sucking a little in the interim), they’re trying to throw together a mediocre team just to keep that fleeting goodwill – and the money that has accompanied it – from slipping away.

by pmstewar on Nov 24, 2008 11:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The ‘few months’ was more than a year. Harrington’s contract doesn’t expire for another year. He wasn’t going to be gone at season’s end necessarily.

It’s unpredictable what an expiring contract will bring. Sometimes, you can spin them into Baron Davis or Pau Gasol, sometimes package them with other parts for a Kevin Garnett. Other times, they bring you back nothing, or bring back nothing attached to a contract you don’t want.

by jae on Nov 25, 2008 7:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But... snif snif...

Everybody always says expiring contracts are valuable. I want mine to be too. Of course Al will opt out. He knows he’s going to get some good offers, LBJ sweepstakes be damned! Isn’t there some idiot GM out there for me too?!?!?? Waaahahhh. See the Celtics? See the Lakers? Waaaaahhhhh… I want my Chris Wallace, I want my Kevin McHale…. Waaahhhhh… I don’t care that Harrington sucks and plays smaller than he is and isn’t worth much in trade value and is overpaid to boot, the Warriors are my favorite team and they should be getting GREAT players in return for our crappy ones, waaahhhhhh.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 25, 2008 8:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

And by the way, I’ve been a fan since 1970 baby, Rick Barry baby! I been through the tough times, man, not like you whiny POS bandwagoners that have just jumped on my team since “We Believe”. I bet none of you ever “We Believe”d until the Utah series, bunch o’ posers. I hate y’all.

<End making fun of whiny old men who seem to wish for the “good old days” when nobody gave a rat’s ass about the Warriors because they truly sucked>

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 25, 2008 8:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not up on the financial side of the equation – I saw someone say earlier in the thread that Harrington’s contract expires after this season and assumed they knew what they were talking about. But I do know expiring contracts=cap space. And knowing now that Al’s contract doesn’t expire for another year, I would still probably let him rot on the bench and develop the young talent they have. Obviously expiring contracts can be tricky to trade (exhibit A: Al for Jamal Crawford). But you can’t tell me they couldn’t get more for Al using his expiring contract as leverage and employing just a little patience. Isn’t that contract more valuable as cap space at the end of next year than as Jamal Crawford? It seems like they took the first deal that came their way. Of course all of this is moot since the Warriors decided to aquire Maggette and sign Jackson to that absurd extension – thereby saddling themselves with a totally dysfunctional lineup for the foreseeable future. Now all that young talent is going to be stuck watching Jack and Maggs alternate playing one on one (barring a return to form for Jack).

by pmstewar on Dec 1, 2008 5:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Since 1970? You’re just a bandwagoner holding on to that 75 championship then. Most of us know nothing but futility.

by jae on Nov 25, 2008 12:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Did I write 1970?

I meant to write 1946, my bad. I wasn’t going to be born for another 35 years, heck my dad wasn’t gonna be born for another 2 years, but I was a fan as a cell in my grandfather’s scrotum. I hate y’all bandwagoners who jumped on in the 90s. Where the true fans at?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 26, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford..

isn’t being the scorer he is, he’s trying too hard to pass and being too unselfish. This results in turnovers..

by AlbinoWhale on Nov 28, 2008 10:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Distributor

I’ve been reading about how we’ll do well with all the scorers but what’s lost is that we need someone to distribute the damn ball to the scorers. Jax is a good passer for the 3 but not as a primary distributor. I think the same can be said for Crawford at the 2. So unless the whole team is being very active in passing the ball, we will be settling for too many tough shots. Biedrins also excells in a movement offense. What we’re missing is a player with the vision, temperment, and decision making to get other players going. Even Blake and Ridinour would make this team better. But the best case, obviously, is a player who can also create by driving the lane and drawing the defense, thereby creating defensive rotation that our good passing complimentary players can exploit. We need a playmaker!!! And Crawford and Ellis are a bit redundant.

by jmaaan on Nov 29, 2008 11:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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