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It's not official yet and nothing's for sure till we see a press release from either the Warriors or Knicks, but here's my initial reaction: Fantastic move for the Warriors and the Knicks are really, really angling for that 2010 free agent campaign.

Definitely stop by Posting and Toasting for some Knickerbocking thoughts.

Also check out what GSoM buddy Tim Kawakami has to say: Harrington to Knicks is close to happening, but do the Warriors get Crawford or Rose? [Talking Points]

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it remains to be seen how this will work out, but we get a quality player who is a proven scorer for an inconsistent player who didn’t want to play for us. Sounds like a good deal to me!

by bayareaballa on Nov 21, 2008 9:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I really don't know anything about Crawford outside of his stats

but the Knicks fans seem really mad about losing him

by superk1ng on Nov 21, 2008 9:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thats a good thing right?

If I am wrong i will respond with a D'Oh

by StephenO4 on Nov 21, 2008 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not saying its a bad deal

under the circumstances but what I have seen of Crawford what comes to mind is

he shoots too much and at a low percentage

we are locking ourselves into a a few more years with this guy’s contract than Al and why would we want to do that with all the young guys we have

To me its not what we need at all and could mess up our team’s chemistry. I could see adding a pass first point or a defensive minded big guy

Hope I am wrong about Crawford

by SFzig on Nov 21, 2008 9:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think Al had the opt out

and would have obvioulsy

I have to think they aren’t to sure about the Monta situation if they make this trade

The Maggette at Power Forward is not going to last and its hard to see all of these slingers on the team

by SFzig on Nov 21, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He only would have opted out if he and his agent thought:

A) He could get more money elsewhere (and nobody is going to give Al Harrington $10M+ the offseason before 2010)

or

B) He thought Nellie was going to play him enough that he’d be risking injury by staying on another year (and after this spat, I’m not so sure he wouldn’t turn into the next Starbury if he stuck around next year)

Neither of those were going to happen, so he would have taken his $10M for riding pine and liked it.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

win win for us

Jamal has a player option to opt out July 2009, with that it would be good for us because:
1. He will play well for us, at least for this season because of his option. It will essentially be a contract year for him and we all know what players are capable of in their contract year.
2. If he opts out, then we will have the opt to resign him or let him walk to gear up for 2010 (i think he will have a great year and opt out because he will be playing PG for us and PGs are divas).

Either way, it will be a win win for us while we await monta’s status and i would rather have someone contribute (crawford) to this team THIS YEAR, then retain a player that will not contribute (harrington).

by airick8 on Nov 21, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i would've rather had curry
Nelson told ESPN.com on the first weekend of the season that the Warriors would “try to accommodate” Harrington, but not when the Knicks were looking to part with center Eddy Curry as opposed to Crawford.

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Nov 21, 2008 9:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Curry is among the most worthless, overpaid players in the league. Every minute he’s on the court lowers your changes of winning a game. Ignore his scoring stats. For every point he gives you, he surrenders more through his defensive ineptitude and pathetic rebounding. I’d rather have stale, stepped on popcorn from the floor of a movie theater.

by jae on Nov 21, 2008 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

fixed
Harrington is among the most worthless, overpaid players in the league. Every minute he’s on the court lowers your changes of winning a game. Ignore his scoring stats. For every point he gives you, he surrenders more through his defensive ineptitude and pathetic rebounding. I’d rather have stale, stepped on popcorn from the floor of a movie theater.

new beginnings, new surroundings, maybe curry is a late bloomer? we need a big body to hang with the lakers. wait a minute he’s only 6’11…ha, i thought he was a big man. i confused the fatness for height. diresgard!

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Nov 21, 2008 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Been there done that with Curry

Harrington>>>>>>Curry. All I gotta say is that Jordan is actively interested in the guy. That should tell you something right there.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eddy Curry

Already ate all the stale, stepped on popcorn off the floor of the movie theater. (And the melted Goobers, soggy Nachos, and congealed Sour Patch Kids while he was at it).

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 21, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So

I don’t mean to argue over the internet, but this is by far the worst thing I have ever read on GSOM. Curry is terrible, while Crawford is their team’s leading scorer, and someone who can play point. You would rather have an expensive backup for Biedrins than someone who can score and start at point guard? That would be an absolutely terrible trade in comparison to what we just did. I’m so stoked about this trade, we trade a cancer in the locker room and a player who never hit his potential for a point guard who is a proven scorer. Curry? Please. Go check out the Knicks’ fans responses, you’ll see how good this is for us

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol i am honored

i’ve posted a lot of crap but never have received “worst” honors. matt give me a break i RESCINDED my comment.

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Nov 21, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This strikes me...

…at first glance as the very height of stupidity.

by Zack Vank on Nov 21, 2008 9:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Crawford also has an opt out

After this season… so if he thinks he can get more than $9-10M, he might exercise it. Most players do – so he could expire too. But that remains to be seen. I see him as a poor man’s Monta – can score a little, slash a little, poor defensively… but he is shooting well from downtown this year (45%). He’s also thriving in the fast paced Knicks offense. Worst case scenario, I still think he’s better than Al.

by JoeBarelyCares on Nov 21, 2008 9:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ummm...
I see him as a poor man’s Monta – can score a little, slash a little, poor defensively… but he is shooting well from downtown this year (45%)

You just blew a hole through your “poor man’s Monta” argument. He’s not Monta any more than any other shooting guard really is.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Monta is a poor man's Kobe Bryant...

But he’s a bit shorter, doesn’t have the killer instinct, the rings, or the range… see?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 10:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My point was that it was no more of a stretch than yours..

Ok, a little more, but my point was that Crawford and Monta are different players and that the “poor man’s” comparison doesn’t apply. Also, you’re not giving Crawford enough credit. He’s better than a poor man’s anything.

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, yeah - a lot more of a stretch

Both are natural SG that can handle the point. I can probably come up with more SG that CAN’T do that than can. So, to say, he’s not more Monta than any other SG is wrong. He has a similar skill set, Monta better FG% – Crawford better 3-PT%. Other than that, pretty similar. FWIW, I like the move a lot.

by JoeBarelyCares on Nov 21, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I’m sick of the “poor man’s” argument. It doesn’t really mean anything to me.

by Number22Drew on Nov 21, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm

Monta career shooting percentage is 49.5, Kobe’s is 45. Kobe has 2.93 turnovers per game over his career, Monta has 2.18. Kobe can shoot a 3, Monta cant. I wouldnt say that Monta doesn’t have killer instinct, he is just coming out of his shell, and he ALWAYS plays to his strengths. Just a comparison,
Kobe’s first 3 years- 7.6, 15.4, 19.9 ppg.
Monta’s first 3 years- 6.8, 16.5, 20.2 ppg.
Do not argue that Monta is a poor man’s Kobe, he’s younger and he has all the potential in the world inside the 3 point line. All I have to say is- Ellis to the rim!

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Last I checked...

Monta takes well less than 0.5 3s per game (when healthy), and to date, Crawford is leading the NBA in 3s made, so I think it’s safe to say Crawford’s game is a little different than Monta’s.

by Eggman on Nov 21, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like getting Crawford, but...

he’s kind of more of the same old, same old. A high-scoring shooting guard? Kind of sounds like Monta Ellis, Stephen Jackson, Corey Maggette, Kelenna Azubuike and Anthony Morrow. I like talent as much as the next guy, but this may be too much at one position. How’re Morrow and Buike supposed to get in rhythms if there’s only 15 minutes for them each game?
I dunno….

by bradyk2 on Nov 21, 2008 9:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Maggette is a 4!!

LOL!! In our system at least… :-)

by JoeBarelyCares on Nov 21, 2008 9:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

That’s true, it will really just return us to an ultra-small ball, which….well, small-ball is a ton of fun…. If this means our eventual starting lineup is monta, crawford, sjax, maggette and biedrins…I think I’d actually be really happy. Reminds me of my “baron monta jrich stephen & al” shirt.

nellie ball is back, baby!
maybe.

by bradyk2 on Nov 21, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dang

I’ll be sad if he takes CJ’s minutes.

by disguy on Nov 21, 2008 9:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

...

I love CJ, but are you serious?

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm....

Not sure whether I’m glad or sad at this deal. I mean, it increases our overall talent, but it decreases who we have at certain positions. Under Don Nelson, I’m confident it’ll work out.

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by Zorgon on Nov 21, 2008 9:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

ESPN also changed from

“Agreed in principle” to “Completed”

by JoeBarelyCares on Nov 21, 2008 10:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I basically like it.

After the BD / Mags “swap,” perhaps the Warriors biggest area of "need"was a big point guard who could defend 2s and take some of Monta’s ballhandling duties, allowing Monta to grow into the position gradually. Crawford’s all that, plus he always seemed to me like an oasis on that Knicks team: a tough kid who always gave 100% while everyone else was whining, feigning injury, getting fat, etc. His plus/minusnumbers — +1.5, +0.6, +6.6 the last three seasons — seem to bear this out.

He’s also an excellent FT shooter (career 84%) … not a huge factor, but I dunno, after that Blazers win, I’m kind of warming up to the concept of a team that doesn’t miss FTs in the clutch.

The chucking tendency and low shooting percentage are serious concerns, but you gotta expect some warts when you’re giving up a warty, whiny turtle like Al Harrington. Basically, Crawford is Stephen Jackson with better ballhandling skills and worse D. We could do a lot worse.

Giving CJ Watson’s minutes to Crawford right away puts us in position to make a real push for the 8th seed. Not sucking has its own inherent value, as the young kids — Wright, Morrow, Rudolph — start to pick up good habits and a winning attitude.

Ideally, when Monta returns to 100%, the starting lineup becomes

Monta
Jack
Maggette
Wright
Biedrins

with Crawford, Morrow, Turiaf, and Azubuike the Big 4 off the bench. I like that team quite a bit.

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 21, 2008 10:04 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

If BWright can get out on the break...

That is a sick lineup. Ok, thank you fellow GSoMers…you’re making me like this trade more by the post….

by bradyk2 on Nov 21, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is the 4 spot, we’ve got Maggette (who’s kind of a gimmick), Wright (who’s kind of raw), and who? Hendrix?

But yeah, I’m feeling that lineup as well. 9 for sure in the rotation, with Randolph, Watson, and Belinelli providing for some guest appearances.

by belilaugh on Nov 21, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

abosolutely

i am stoked about this deal. i’ve loved crawford’s game and hustle, which will fit in nicely with the great hustlers (az, jax, cj, monta, goose) we already have on this team. having the kids pick up winning habits is good also, but hey, we’ve been a winning team as long as most of them have been here (wright, az, cj, bel)

curious to know who pulled the strings on this move, mullin or rowell?

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Nov 21, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the Warriors biggest area of "need"was a big point guard

  I don’t know much about him but I think Crawford is more a shooting guard while Starbury played the point? Maybe he can turn into a point guard but his career assists look very bad, and he doesn’t seem to like rebounding? Will he be any more productive with his minutes than bargain find Morrow? I don’t know?
    I’d think I’d rather see us get another power forward for Al unless we can make a deal for a better play making point guard?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 21, 2008 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Marbury

Has been inactive all season. Chris Duhon is their PG.

Their starting lineup on 11/18:
Duhon, Crawford, Richardson, Chandler, Randolph

by JoeBarelyCares on Nov 21, 2008 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

. Chris Duhon is their PG.

  Ok, I haven’t watched a knicks game this year but the point remains someone other than Crawford is their point so he’s apparently not a real point guard? And we already have a lot of shooting guards so why get another? Dubs fan de boston ??

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 21, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

according to "Posting and Toasting"

star is active b/c another trade is underway

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Nov 21, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot to add the questionmark to the title

Other than that, you got every sentence done quite nicely?

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Crawford chucking than Jax

If he can take away three 3’s a night from Jax and shoot 10% better, that’s 0.3 extra points a game…

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They'll both chuck!

Back to having two chuckers as we used to with baron.

by mosdl on Nov 21, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, except Crawford would likely start over Wright most nights...

I still like it. Though it would be nice to have another big coming off the bench… and I hate trading big for small. Not that Al is super big, but…

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

Wouldn’t the starting lineup be
Monta
Crawford
Jack
Maggette
^^

????

Why would Wright start if he’s not even starting anymore now?

by Fantasy Junkie on Nov 21, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That makes much more sense. Thats just a better version of what we are playing with now.

Playoffs!!??

by PAWarrior on Nov 21, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like that team a lot too, but Crawford doesn’t have much to do with it. Crawford’s minutes will come at the expense of Watson (upgrade), Azubuike (small upgrade), and Morrow (hard to say). I’m just not seeing where he’ll bring us dramatic improvement.

This trade helps us if Crawford can play some solid defense here. But that’s asking Don Nelson to improve the defense of a veteran — that doesn’t sound like a likely formula to me.

by onlxn on Nov 21, 2008 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't Complain

we had 2 let go of harrington so might as well get the best talent available…nellie ball is back…and we’re deep now!

only regret is not putting bellinelli/m. will in a package cuz we have too many guards now

by amanbeast on Nov 21, 2008 10:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Its the best we could have done

I feel like its a trade that, while not perfect, at least addresses a need to a certain extent and it brings in a high scoring guard, which is never awful. I like it better than Gerald Wallace and the length of his contract. But, I would have happy to trade Harrington for Sarunas.

Playoffs!!??

by PAWarrior on Nov 21, 2008 10:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

might as well

Nellie won’t be playing Al anymore anyway so at least it’s a non-rookie who stands a chance of playing - providing he stays on Nellie’s good side. I still would have rather dumped Nellie and kept Al.

by centerre on Nov 21, 2008 10:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

good riddance, Al! Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out!

by Psion on Nov 21, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Count me in

I think the likely starting five after Ellis returns would be:
Pg- Monta Ellis
Sg- Jamal Crawford
SF- Stephen Jackson
PF- Corey Maggette
C- Andris Biedrins
Bench – Azubuike, Morrow, Wright, Turiaf, Watson, Randolph

Obviously, we have a surplus of guards. I just don’t see Wright starting in the 4 position. I think Nellie would utilize a small ball lineup instead of putting Wright (Who cannot shoot a three) into the starting lineup.
I personally like the sound of this team.
However, Crawford is not known as a defensive player, nor is he a good rebounder. But I’ll take any possible talent for Al at this point. Let’s see what the future holds.

by StephenJaaackson! on Nov 21, 2008 10:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This lineup would get KILLED on the boards. Absolutely killed. If we have Crawford and Jack on the floor at the same time, they’d better be the guards, otherwise we’re essentially conceding every rebound to the other team.

I don’t think Crawford and Jack will complement each other well. In a weird way, though, that could be a positive… if the presence of Crawford makes Nellie feel more comfortable lowering Jack’s minutes. Jamal Crawford as Backup Jack would be a good use of him.

by onlxn on Nov 21, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...

Did you watch the Portland game?

by mattmonay on Nov 21, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I did… great game. Was something in that game supposed to have proved that we can succeed starting two of the worst rebounders for their size in the NBA simultaneously? Because we didn’t do that against Portland.

Small-ball lineups will definitely work as a change of pace for stretches against certain opponents. But a lineup that features Jack at small forward and Crawford at shooting guard would be so godawful at rebounding, I don’t think the advantages could outweigh it.

I’m all for optimism. But those two guys on the floor together, throwing up bricks and not retrieving any of them, doesn’t sound like a recipe for success.

by onlxn on Nov 21, 2008 12:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

While many of us like Wright a lot, it doesn’t appear that Nellie does. I doubt he starts.

by JoeBarelyCares on Nov 21, 2008 10:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

TMNT's tenure as Warrior is over

Goodbye Al! Good for you to get back to NY where you grew up. Maybe D’Antoni will use you in a way that you want (doubt it.) Baron’s home in L.A., Als home in N.Y… who’s next? Monta to Memphis? Now there is only remnants of the team that beat the Mavs in 2006.

Moving on…

Maybe there is another trade in the making? Packaging Crawford and some young’ens for a pg? Probably not. At least there is closure and the Team came move onto the next game against Chicago tonight. We probably won’t see Craword till he plays on the road trip in N.Y. maybe? Against Al and his old team..

Don’t take away Morrow minutes, everytime he shoots I expect it to be a swoosh!!

To TMNT, I’m gonna miss your…… smile.

blacktop to the hardwood

by dankmob on Nov 21, 2008 10:31 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Have you seen "Training day?"

“It’s all about smiles and cries!”

by Tony.psd on Nov 22, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hello from new york

you guys are so lucky – jamal is truly terrific. capable of dropping 40 or 50 any given night when the offense is getting it done.

you’re also lucky that the warriors are my second favorite team otherwise i would be screaming at you all.

by stingy d on Nov 21, 2008 10:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

See

NY fans do love him! Now we just gotta see if you guys will take Belinelli for David Lee… OK, that was low. I’m sorry…

"No no Nene!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB5DxNl4EB0

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 21, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yea man

i would cut you but i’m so depressed right now that i don’t feel like moving.

by stingy d on Nov 21, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the warriors are my second favorite team

they’re a lot of folks second favorite team on this blog too!

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Nov 21, 2008 11:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Love it

We were playing decent without Harrington and now we get another high powered scoring option? Great trade. I don’t care if it takes away minutes from Morrow or Watson. I’m willing to bet that the best Morrow will ever be isn’t going to be Crawford. And Watson was never a long term answer at PG – just a bandaid.

by Fantasy Junkie on Nov 21, 2008 10:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I’m willing to bet that the best Morrow will ever be isn’t going to be Crawford.

  Based on their first three NBA starts how do they compare? Morrow seems to be the real deal and we already have a lot of shooting guards so it doesn’t seem like the best use of Al’s contract to get more of what we have instead of something we need like a power forward or maybe a distributing point?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 21, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Point is

I’ll take a proven guy over one who’s played just 3 games. I love what Morrow’s done, but I’m not banking on him keeping it up.

As for trading Al for a PG or a PF – good luck with that. I would love to have traded him for a good player at a need position, but why would someone trade a useful PF for Al? Why would someone trade a distributing PG for Al? Which PG’s and PF’s were you considering trading Al for?

by Fantasy Junkie on Nov 21, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess

Sometimes getting something for nothing just isn’t enough…

by JoeBarelyCares on Nov 21, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This trade makes me excited

Harrington was useless on this team. We get some actual talent for Harrington, and even though we have an abundance of 2 guards, Nelson knows how to utilize the talent he has. I’m seeing a lot of small ball in our future.

by Number22Drew on Nov 21, 2008 10:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

tit for tat

Harrington has been crying about not wanting to be in the organization because he is the selfish all eyes on me type of player that strives for the attention GSWs aren’t giving. This trade might do well for the Knicks considering they need someone like that. Once he gets that back fixed, after Thanksgiving sometime, he can step up for the team and in the meanwhile rich or maybe chandler might be scoring the top numbers in the games until Harrington gets accustomed. Additionally, the Knicks hopes to pick up Lebron in 2010 might be in the works soon just as long as they kick out the 2010 tracts for some room.

Then we have Crawfish, who is like a hermit. He comes out of his shell whenever he wants to. This guy is inconsistent and can’t play D for the life of him. He might have some tricks with breaking ankles or passing to himself from the board, but what the Warriors might be able to use him as is a PG like in Chicago and complete the swingmen. Total Run and Gun offense with Ronny and AB to mix it up. Although the trade has mixed reviews, it seems to work out! Don’t stop believing!

by XPO 265 on Nov 21, 2008 10:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good Deal.

I love this trade, makes much more sense than giving away Al for Malik Rose. I mean think about the value that was traded for Al and Capt. Jack…Dunleavy, Murphy, and Diogu all 1st rd. picks, in which case the W’s had to get some talent in this trade.

Crawford gives them instant help at the PG position, as well as a larger guard to pair with Ellis upon his return. Yes he may be a “chucker” who shoots a lower percentage, but look at his game log he has only had 2 terrible shooting nights this season, one of which he shot only 6 times. Other than that his shooting well and even torched the Jazz for 32, no easy feat. As for his defense he held Paul Pierce to 5/13 the other night and if he can help Jack in gambling for steals it will spark the fastbreak, which has been almost non-existent in comparison to last year.

Al really wasn’t that great of a talent anyways he’s a guy who likes to score on bad teams then bitch when he’s on good ones about how they don’t use him right. Realistically he was the consolation prize for not being able to land Jermaine O’Neal a few years back..

Adios Al, hello Jamal…

by Jagz8 on Nov 21, 2008 10:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

everyone is plugging Monta into their line-ups

as if we are sure we are getting the same Monta back this year

maybe not this year and maybe not ever

Of course I hope not but this could be part of what plays into a deal like this too

by SFzig on Nov 21, 2008 10:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

High ankle sprain

I haven’t heard anyone, other than Iggy, suggest that it’s career threatening.

I do think though that Monta will take a while to get into game shape after fully rehabilitating. Crawford helps keep us afloat for that time.

If Morrow continues to blossom, and it starts getting tough to dole out minutes at 2 guard, Crawford is cheap, young, and talented enough that he shouldn’t be totally immoveable.

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 21, 2008 11:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Feh.

The good: we got a pretty good player, a better player than Al. Crawford’s contract is only a year longer than Al’s, and we weren’t going to be players in the 2010 FA market anyway, so it doesn’t change that much salary-wise. This doesn’t block Wright or Randolph.

The bad: we got a player we don’t need on a mediocre contract. Crawford gives this team nothing it didn’t already have. We had swingman depth… Jackson, Maggette, Azubuike and Morrow is one of the deeper quartets you’ll find. Crawford is no more of a point guard than Monta. Crawford is a crappy defender.

I’m not a big fan of this trade. It didn’t make us worse, but it didn’t improve us as much as other deals for Al could’ve. Gerald Wallace is a better player and, critically, a talented individual defender; he’d have been a real asset in Nellie’s system. The only difference between his contract and Crawford’s is Wallace’s player option in ‘11-’12 that he might not end up exercising. If we had a chance at Wallace and ended up with Crawford, we blew it.

I still really like the future of this team, because the young core is truly promising. But we had a chance to improve that core further; coming into the season, we had two possible trade chips, in Jack and Al. We’ve turned them into more, older Jack, and a worse version of Jack. Color me unimpressed.

by onlxn on Nov 21, 2008 11:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is amazing.

I’m so happy for you guys. How does it feel to be the most entertaining team in the NBA again? Thank goodness I have league pass.

Sure, you have too many guards now, but I would bet money that Golden State is going to make another trade to fix that.

Jamal Crawford is great, he’s just been on a crappy team his whole career. Clearly he’s been doing well with D’Antoni and he should fit like a glove with Nellie’s system. It’s a cost cutting move for the Knicks and think you guys got the best player. Congrats.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 21, 2008 11:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

How does it feel to be the most entertaining team in the NBA again?

  ?? Entertaining trades? midget players?? What???

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 21, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The 8th seed!!

  Actually it was pretty entertaining watching Rudolf tear around out of control for so many minutes . We were taking bets on how long it would be before he ran into something and knocked himself out.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 21, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be surprised

if crawford is dealt again if we get back a healthy Monta. He should have much more trade value than harrington.

by racsan on Nov 21, 2008 11:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Someone has to move. I hope it isn’t Buike.

by mosdl on Nov 21, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i will take this

any day..let the nicknames start

by onedub on Nov 21, 2008 11:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

yankees dubbed em JC

cford?

if not worthy by mid season, call him crawfish…

by XPO 265 on Nov 21, 2008 11:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

JC.....

is too much like that singer from nsync. 4get it!

by nuttinbutnet on Nov 21, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

who...

JC Crawvez not to be confused with JC Chavez…dont ask me why i know that

by XPO 265 on Nov 21, 2008 11:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

JC Crawvez. is horrible!

by nuttinbutnet on Nov 21, 2008 11:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well

at least you’ll get to see him do this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz5DXIezqr4

by rishbob on Nov 21, 2008 11:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I cannot beleive we got this value for Harrington

Harrington is not good enough to warrant us getting a scorer like Crawford. I am really surprised the Knicks did this. but I will take it Anyday. Once Monta comes back our first 10 is going to be pretty good

by shooter1525 on Nov 21, 2008 11:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

agree

We got a big time shot maker, scorer and ball handler for a 18-24 minute a game player who was unhappy and a streaky shooter who didn’t like to rebound

by GoldenStateDubtronic on Nov 21, 2008 11:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE

Any chance Rowell cuts the cord on Monta now? I certainly hope now, but as a long-time Warrior fan, nothing surprises me anymore….

by JoeBarelyCares on Nov 21, 2008 11:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, a paranoid part of me thought that when I heard this: that Rowell could claim that we don’t have a pressing need for the guy anymore. I think there’s probably still enough sanity to prevent that, but it’s a troubling possibility.

by onlxn on Nov 21, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Im in favor

Thought it was an excellent trade. Check out my thoughts and reasoning

http://goldenarrival.blogspot.com/

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by NinerWarrior on Nov 21, 2008 11:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

morrow

since all morrow can do is shoot he should be coming off the bench to provide instant offense when the team needs it. you know at those particular time when the warriors seem to be playing more into the other teams style and forgetting their own. i like this trade crawford can light it up and this just adds depth to the teams first unit and solidifies the second unit.

by Shoot the Jay on Nov 21, 2008 11:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We're going to trade someone

Just as Morrow heats up we bring in another shoot-first shooting guard. Doesn’t make a lot of sense. The front office has something else in mind. I think this is going to be a short stop for Crawford…he’ll end up somewhere else by the trading deadline. The Warriors might trade him for a legit point guard – I don’t have any idea who might be on the block.

Spree for three!!

by peteb24 on Nov 21, 2008 11:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

check the schedule

and if the deal goes through in time the warriors will be paying harrington a little visit in his new home very soon.

by Shoot the Jay on Nov 21, 2008 11:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Honestly it'd be best if this wuz for rose's expiring contract

then we can make a little splash in the FA market for a player we ACTUALLY need (not crawford) this next offseason

by HoLdEmUP on Nov 21, 2008 11:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

with or without him

we most likely would have had lil cap room. He is eating up the room between the cap and luxury tax, not room under the cap.

by The Golden One on Nov 21, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

what's with all the baggin on crawford's fg%?

he’s shooting .432 so far this year. that’s not bad for a guard.

fyi, ray allen’s shooting .436 and rudy fernandez’s shooting .442 so far this season. anyway the warriors shooter is a-mo.

of course his defense is another thing, but i think the team’s attitude towards defense the season will have a big influence on his play.

by miguelito on Nov 21, 2008 12:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

"so far this season"

Dude, small sample sizes. If a couple shots rattle out rather than in, he’s right at his career 40.3%. I wish I could say he’s improving, but the trends up to this season don’t look that way.

Also 43.2% FG is pretty bad, even for a guard. Not really bad — not BDiddy or JRich bad — but pretty bad.

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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 21, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

JAE likes to say that 45% is “average.” For a guard I would guess that gets taken down a bit, so maybe 43% isn’t that bad.

Of course, there are other factors to consider: specifically, (a) how often shoots a guy shoots threes, and (b) how often he gets to the FT line. Which is why effective fg% (which factors in threes) and true shooting % (which factors in threes and FTA) are finer measures of a player’s overall shooting efficiency.

By true shooting % Crawford, thanks to an improvement in getting himself to the stripe, has been pretty OK the last few years: .544, .517, .528, and .571 so far this season. Same basic ballpark as Baron (.489, .530, .523, .449), Jackson (.527, .550, .536, .488), and JRich (.538, .512, .554, .506). Nothing to write home about, but nothing to get too depressed about either. In sum: a classic Warrior.

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by Sleepy Freud on Nov 21, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

east coast warriors

the knicks will become more like gsw. with the harrington acquisition and getting rid of randolph. im excited to see the matchup

by Shoot the Jay on Nov 21, 2008 12:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I like Crawford

Our offense right now is really quite awful. Some open shot opportunities (even more with Monta) but no shot makers. Hopefully Crawford is a shot maker. He’s shooting 45% from 3 point range (35-77, a pretty decent sample size) I’m no math major—I just watch games—but with last year’s 3-point % he would have only made 27 of those. Plus you have to account for the Knicks factor.

His sideways hop-step move is probably my favorite move ever. I try it at the gym sometimes (to raucous laughter). Someday……

by antihero on Nov 21, 2008 1:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

the absolute key

to our team succeeding, is playing as a team. of course we have plenty of players on the team that are capable of scoring the ball, but we still have to move the ball around to the open guy on the court. if we don’t jack up threes/shots recklessly and actually swing the ball to the open spot, i think we could be a real offensive threat. it would spread the floor much more knowing that everybody on our team can score. we just have to make sure that we can’t settle for isolation shots every time down the court and depend on those to fall in…that is when we start to fall out of tempo. oh and emphasizing on defense wouldn’t hurt too.

by gorillas on Nov 21, 2008 4:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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