See what happens when the potato gets cold
Pardon the lame joke... and if you're still scratching your head on this one. You know, the Warriors were playing hot potato early in the game and was getting good shots from moving the ball then the game tightened up and the vets started playing superhero and then it went downhill from there.
Anyway, my last post was met with a good response and I'm in the mood for another one...
1. Just ONE game? JUST ONE FREAKING Game??? I wondered on my last diary how long JCraw can keep up his team-first mentality. Well, I got my answer tonight. Oh boy, was he not shy on the trigger tonight. I wonder if he got his 45% shooting from pull up 3s from 2ft beyond the arc with the Knicks.
2. Let the big boys play. Tonight Maggs played a good game at SF and despite a seemingly non existent showing, Brandan Wright grabbed the same amount of rebound maggette had despite playing just 12minutes. I would like to see him or Turiaf start regularly and make changes from there on a nightly basis.
3. SJAX. The Good and Bad. We saw both on today's game. The first 3 quarters he was exceptional. He didn't force shots and he made plays for his teammates. And as Fitz would put it: It was contagious. Then the bad Jackson had to sneak into the 4th quarter, he starts forcing shots and tries to do too much. Which was also contagious (I'm not sure who started it but him and Maggs just had a show-off in the 4th.)
4. TOO MANY SHOTBLOCKERS, NO REBOUNDERS. That's the problem we have right now. We have a bunch of guys who can guard the rim but we have no one who can secure the ball except Biedrins which really negates the effectiveness of the former. Rondo had 8 rebounds, 4 off the offensive end. Nuff said.
5. Back on tonight's game. Can't take away anything from the Warriors except that 4th quarter. I could have stomached this loss if I didn't have to watch the last quarter. I would've been satisfied to have lost because the Celtics was the better team on paper and on the standings. But watching the last couple of minutes of that game and I can't help but think we threw away any chances of winning that game when the ball stopped moving.
6. Hendrix. Is he really not ready to play in a basketball game? He's the closest we have to a big body and I'm thinking he can fit the same role as Turiaf except instead of blocking shots, his focus is to grab as many rebounds as he can.
7. A scrappy team, with no scrappy players. Part of why our small ball team worked was also because of scrappy players like Barnes, Pietrus. Guys who just gets in there and hustle. They're not tall or big or even that talented but they can get you extra possessions and force some turnovers. This team has totally strayed away from that.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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how bout
mags, buke, hendrix, turiaf and biedrins. our muscle crew.
by saintdee on Nov 26, 2008 10:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i'm just wondering,
do they ever talk defense in practice? In fact, i’d love to just see wth they go over in practice, can’t be blocking out or passing for better shots, or moving without the ball, or fighting through screens, or playing with some energy, or……
by KeepdaCore on Nov 26, 2008 10:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
what's nellie talking about in practice?
by KeepdaCore on Nov 26, 2008 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how about going over some
fundamentals?
by KeepdaCore on Nov 26, 2008 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Practice?"
“We’re talking bout’ Practice…not a game, Practice!”
by Hayward's Finest on Nov 27, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and while DN is at
play our young bigs, let’em learn. AB didn’t develope out of no where, he played during our losing years and BW and AR are better than AB when he was in his 1st and 2nd yrs. No one is expecting this team to make playoffs what we expect is progress, and DN is failing in both accounts.
by KeepdaCore on Nov 26, 2008 10:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
well
technically, in year 1, AB played 384 minutes to BW’s 376. AB played 1000 minutes in year 2 while BW is on pace to play 1170. Wright doubled in his 1st yr, the # of starts AB had in 2 yrs (6-3).
AR is on pace to crush AB & BW’s minutes w/ what prorates to 672 minutes.
by the evil monkey on Nov 27, 2008 12:33 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
4. TOO MANY SHOTBLOCKERS, NO REBOUNDERS. That’s the problem we have right now. We have a bunch of guys who can guard the rim but we have no one who can secure the ball except Biedrins which really negates the effectiveness of the former. Rondo had 8 rebounds, 4 off the offensive end. Nuff said.
Yeah — this is an important point.
Turiaf, Wright and Randolph all look for the block every time someone’s down low… Biedrins often does too. They’re all good at it — our shot-blocking has been incredible thus far — but it has definitely come at the expense of defensive rebounding.
I’m not sure what can really be done about it. Neither Turiaf nor Wright is a naturally gifted rebounder… they’ll pull down some, but they’re better at shot-blocking, so it’s hard to ding them for focusing on that. Randolph has shown more of a nose for the ball than anyone besides Biedrins, but he’s been so bad in most other facets of the game that it’s hard to justify his getting big minutes.
If anything, it might make sense for Biedrins to play off the ball in a number of situations. He’s easily the best rebounder of the four, probably the worst shot-blocker, and he’s good enough so that we don’t want him sitting due to foul trouble. It’d be weird to orchestrate a defense where your starting center doesn’t look to block shots, but that might be the best thing we could do.
by onlxn on Nov 26, 2008 11:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We should trade for Rasho Nesterovic
he’s one of the best in boxing out alltough he doesn’t grab them by himself but his teammates do.Plus he really understands the game and is a very good passer for a center.Not to mention he has some range.
by buky on Nov 27, 2008 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember some extreme complaining that Biedrins never went up for th eballl, hence having terrible defense.
No we want him to not even go up for the ball and just wait for a rebound?
Member of the "Stop calling him Beans" movement
by StSaints408 on Nov 27, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its called boxing out.....
The Celtics found a very nice weapon in the 4th to beat our zone D, step forward young Rondo! he played superbly, but how the hell does soemone at 6’1" get so much easy access in and around the basket?
This team has never boxed out and as I said in numerous recent comments with regards Randolph, he is a truly althletic player and is a shot blocking beast! BUT….for all the ones he makes…he misses a lot of thers that leave gaping great holes in our Defense.
There was a classic moment in the 4th. Andris was guarding KG who had the ball, low post, KG kicks it out to Rondo top left of the key…. Like a moth to the flame, Andris watched the ball drifted off KG and the instant dish back from Rondo found a wide open KG for a very easy dunk.
It’s this BASIC BASIC basketball that is being shown way to often on this team.
I was superbly impressed with the teams confidence, ball movement and effort for 3 quarters that showed that even without Monta, we can run with the best AND show them a clean pair of heels…..BUT..
You relax for two second against these teams and let your D slide….say goodnight, 10 points can go in under a minute if your taking risky shots at the other end!
It’s a learning curve for these guys still and tonigh I suspect they learned a huge amount. Crawford is just the player we needed and once he settles more into the team and plays he will become a key part. For anyone statin he simply chose to ball hog tonight, clearly has never played any form of serious ball where you join a new team and everything is alien. It takes time to learn the plays fully (go ask Marcus Williams how hard it is). Therefore if you are still a little shaky on the plays, you may choose to shoot a little more.
Overall, a bummer we lost, but hell, that was a bloody good effort and if we had played like that the previous night….different result.
I hope they carry this momentum to Cleveland, it would be great to rescue 2 wins from this road trip.
Well done Warriors, you showed heart and fight tonight and as a fan, thats all I ask.
It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!
by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 27, 2008 12:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
i feel like we’ve made more progress by just playing this game than the whole season. i think it just clicked with jackson and maggette. they finally discovered that the problem with our style of play was the lack of ball movement. i think they realized how much of a drastic change there was when you just make that extra pass. hopefully, they carry that mindset with them throughout the rest of the season and it isn’t just a “one-time” thing.
by gorillas on Nov 27, 2008 12:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, its called boxing out &.&...
I think this thread has hit the key reasons the Warriors despite playing hard and finding themselves with a chance to come up with the “W”, fail.
The long spate of shooting to many quick 3’s, going 1 on 1, especiallly in the fourth q. is all too often a killer.
However, the poor team rebounding and absence of blocking out, was so very evident vs the celtics.
Lastly, why can’t we get some screens and see if Crawford can find Morrow and spread the floor, if not for the entire game; at least against the oppositions subs as upcoming games unfold?.
by sjax2k8 on Nov 28, 2008 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
can we send this group
to a jerry sloan mini-camp, bet they peel off 10 straight after.
by KeepdaCore on Nov 27, 2008 12:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
hopefully nellie will learn his lesson...
After watching the dubs get whooped by the bullets, it became clear to me that nellie wasn’t ever going to give up his one big, 4 smalls lineup for anything, and I vowed to never watch the warriors again until Nellie’s tenure ended. by the time gametime rolled around against the celtics I decided I’d just peak at the tipoff to confirm my passionate hatred for nellie’s one-big, 4 small lineup, but to my shock, he gave b-right the start at the 4 spot. I’m pretty sure Nellie went 2 bigs, 3 small the rest of the game until late third quarter, when our lead was trimmed down to two or three points, nellie freaked out and went back to old faithful, one big and 4 smalls for the rest of the game. I am very certain that one big 4 smalls will be extremely unsuccessful cause we can’t stop other teams from getting offensive rebounds on a regular basis and we can’t get our own offensive rebounds on a regular basis. Hopefully nellie will learn his lesson and give up on one big 4 smalls. He’s way too stubborn, but even he will change things up if wins stop occurring. I mean, it’s not like our bigs are that big anyway and they were all brought here to fit into fast paced nellie ball, which also has it’s flaws, but just stop with the one big 4 smalls already!!!!
by ihatenellie on Nov 27, 2008 10:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
nice first post
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Nov 27, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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