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RECAP: Warriors 111, Celtics 119 – Giving Thanks

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Much to the detriment of the Warriors, Rondo came up big for the C's tonight with nobody on the Warriors able to stay in front of him.


This game was a lot closer than I thought it would be. I really have no idea what to expect from this team. They usually play to their opponent's level so I don't think you'll see too many blowouts this year. That's probably why they've lost so many close games. They either can't pull away or can't get over the hump. I'm impressed the Warriors kept it as close as they did and astonished that they were up 13 at the half. That brought some optimism back but the champs showed the Warriors why they're still the chumps.

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In honor of the Warriors 5 wins and Thanksgiving tomorrow, here are 5 things I'm thankful for and 5 things I wish I was thankful for.

 

5 Things I'm Thankful For

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1) Andris Biedrins
He's been the Warriors best and most consistent player this year. His crazy string of double doubles was impressive but it's also the growth in his game that's fun to watch. He's learning something new every year and getting better on other aspects year to year. The free throws may never get to be good, but by the looks of it, he's going to challenge for an All-Star spot. Tonight wasn't a stellar night but over the course of this season, you know he's going to be good for a double double every night.

2) Nellie
He really doesn't have a whole lot to work with so I'm not sure how you blame him for questionable rotations. He's got to try out different sets. He's got hardly any consistent players so it's a constant juggle of lineups to make sure he's got the best players in there. Tonight was slightly different. He knew that in order to win the game he was going to have to play his vets. The youngins only got a little bit of burn probably because they're just not ready to face a team like this. And without Monta, the Warriors nearly knocked off the defending champs on the road. That's impressive. Playing the young guys any more minutes wouldn't have helped.

3) Jamal Crawford
Finally, someone who can seriously handle the rock. He's still a little too careless with the ball (4 turnovers), but you can tell he's got the handles and passing skills to run the point on this Nelson team. He's going to be nice paired with Monta. Tonight, the shooting was ugly (5-17) but he brings a new dimension to the team that we haven't had at all this year.


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4) Stephen Jackson
For all the stupid things he does, bad shots, even worse passes, he's a true basketball player. He loves the game, loves the fans, and makes you want to root for him. He's flawed but it's those same flaws that make it possible for him to be successful. The confidence to take any shot means he's not afraid of taking and hitting the big shot. He might have played his best game of the year tonight against the toughest opponent. 30 points on 11-18 shooting, 5 boards, 6 assists, and amazingly, just 2 turnovers. Pretty nice line going head to head with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.

5) Block Parties
It's been awhile since the Warriors have had a serious shotblocker and now they have a few. The addition of Ronny Turiaf has given the Warriors' interior a new presence. Combine him with Wright, Randolph, and Biedrins and any player coming into the lane has to be aware of where these guys are. It's fun to finally see shot blockers on the team.

 

5 Things I Wish I was Thankful For

1) Giving Consistent Effort Every Game
How do you get blown out by 24 against the lowly Wizards without Gilbert Arenas and then come back the next night and play the Celtics nearly down to the wire? The combination of the inexperience of the young guys and not having a true leader on the court gives you these wild swings in the level of play. The Warriors aren't as good as you saw tonight, but they're also not nearly as bad as you saw last night. If they gave the kind of effort last night as they did tonight, the Wizards would still only have 1 win. It's unfortunate that this team only brings it's a game against the top teams because they're B and C games just equate to trips to the lottery.

2) Defense
At the end of this Celtics game you really saw what a great defensive effort will give you. Unfortunately, it was the Celtics who played great defense in shutting down the Warriors offense. From the 7:05 mark, the score was 102-100 Warriors. At the 2:23 mark, the Celtics were up 113-104. The held the Warriors to 2 free throws at such a critical juncture of the game. It's team defense that won the Celtics that championship, not the offense.

3) A Promising Young Player
I no longer consider Biedrins or Monta to be young players. Of all the rest of them, Wright, Randolph, Morrow, and Belinelli, do any of them strike you as promising? Are there any guys you'd bet serious money on to be All-Stars? No. I think Randolph has the best chance, but he's still got a long way to go. For all the talk of the Warriors being young, it really only matters if they're promising young players. It showed tonight with Nellie's reluctance (rightfully so) to put in the young players in a tight game against the defending champs. Any egregious mistake could cost the Warriors the game. In the long run, I'd love to see Wright and Randolph be able to play against top competition but right now, they're just not ready.

4) A Healthy Back
Al Harrington's bad back that couldn't play a minute for the Warriors in his last 7 games with the team can all of a sudden play 41 minutes in the 2nd game of a back to back. Really? They must have some miracle drugs in New York. Either that or Al was pullin' something seriously shady.

5) Salary Cap Space for 2010
I know that the Warriors aren't going to be in the running for any of the big names that become free agents in 2010 and not many of those guys are ever going to leave their own teams, but I'd rather have that cap space than wasting the money on players that aren't going to get us anywhere in the playoffs. At least give us fans some chance of getting a superstar even if it is a slim chance.

 

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Stephen Jack. He played his best game of the year. 


 

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I really thought we would have a chance

especially after the 2nd quarter. Maggette and Jack both had a great game though. Watson did pretty well too! 4-4 shooting and 10 points. At least tihs game was 3242840 times better than the Washington game and they lost by just single digits haha.

Btw did anyone else notice that CSN misspelled Warriors as “Warriers” when they said “Warriers on a 13-2 run.”? It was like 3:20 in the 2nd.

by goldenstatelove on Nov 26, 2008 11:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You don’t think a 22-year-old and a 23-year-old are “young”? You don’t think Brandan Wright is “promising”, even though he’s played well pretty much every time he’s gotten the chance, and just about everyone else around the league is wondering why we don’t play him more? Man. Pretty glass-half-empty stuff for a Thanksgiving post.

by onlxn on Nov 26, 2008 11:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t consider them young in an NBA sense. They got paid and when you get paid in the NBA, you are expected to produce. There’s no forgiveness for making young mistakes. There are certain expectations I have when you label someone “young” and those differ from what I have for Monta and Biedrins. When you’re young, you’re still allowed to make “rookie” mistakes, you’re not expected to carry a team, not expected to deliver the goods night in and night out. Monta and Biedrins are expected to do that. So, you’re right, they’re still young in terms of age, but as for me, I don’t apply that label to them.

No, I don’t consider Wright to be promising. He’s not going to be an All-Star. He’s going to be a starter, but no All-Star. That’s all fine and good to be a starter, but I have no reason to get overly excited about a guy who I don’t think will ever be an All-Star. And who around the league is wondering why we don’t play him more. I don’t read too many other blogs so I don’t see this. Can you send me some links? I’d like to see what people think.

Glass half-empty? I don’t know if you noticed, but we’re 5-10. We’re not a playoff team. This is not a good team right now. And Monta’s return is going to be too late.

by Fantasy Junkie on Nov 27, 2008 9:45 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This board changes direction faster than the wind....

I was sitting at halftime thinking….C’mon fellas……lets Have this!!

If for no other reason thanto stick up the jacksy of half the moaners on GSOM about “No Hope” and crap like that.

I was extremely proud of every single player on our team tonight, they showed heart, effort and great mental strength to come back from that horrible result and really run the Celtics hard.

This performance was 10 times better than Cleveland managed against the Celts!

Yes we still have things to learn but as I said before, give Crawford time and he will really become a very useful piece in the jigsaw.

WELL DONE WARRIORS – you made some of us true fans very happy tonight, despite the result.

It's about heart, It's about fight, It's about being a Warrior!

by BritWarriorGSW on Nov 26, 2008 11:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

A loss is still a loss. Playing their best game to date against the best team they’ve faced to date means little if you only bring it like that against the best teams. Don’t forget the Washington loss, the two Memphis losses, getting blown out by Sac, losing to Chicago at home, and losing to Philly. Those are not elite teams by any stretch of the imagination. Guess who we still have left to play, the elite teams.

This is a 5-10 team, that’s not a good record. This is not a good team. This is not a playoff team. I’ve been saying that for a long time now. Like I said in the recap, if they played like they did against the Celtics when they faced the Wizards (and every game for that matter), the record would be better. This team is wildly inconsistent.

by Fantasy Junkie on Nov 27, 2008 9:29 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

This is not a good team.

 Actually it’s starting to look better. This Boston showing has to energize the guys. We might not make the playoffs but if they bring the energy we’ll have some enjoyable games to watch. Hopefully Jax and Magette recognize that good things happen when they play to their strengths? and Nellie realizes that a few minutes of the kids can spark the energy level?? Maybe we can spend the next few games working some ball movement into our offense thru Crawford? If Montay returns with two good wheels he should benefit from the assists. Just like a down stock market I see opportunity here.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 27, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really think the Warriors Wonder tonite

should go to Rondo… he won the game alone.

F**K REFS

by faetati on Nov 27, 2008 12:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

2006 NBA draft

3. Adam Morrison
5. Shelden Williams
9. POB
10. Mohammed Sene
11. JJ Redick
12. Hilton Armstrong
13. Thabo Sefolosha
15. Cedric Simmons
18. Oleksiy Pecherov
19. Quincy Douby
21. Rajon Rondo

Amazing that NBA scouts actually get paid. Did it not occur to them that a guy who can run and dribble faster than anyone on the court, never gets tired, is fearless, goes after every loose ball, on the floor and glass, and is literally unguardable, might be desirable … regardless of his mediocre shooting skills?

Kid is amazing. I think his running circles around old, slow Derek Fisher was the unmentioned X factor in the Cs stomping of the Lakers last year. And imagine how he’d look running Nellieball for the next 10-12 years, with Monta, Maggette, (old friend) Buki, Morrow, Randolph, Wright, Biedrins by his side …?

:,-(

OBAMA AMABO

by Sleepy Freud on Nov 27, 2008 2:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wow that looks like a weak draft...

….who are those guys in the top 20 again?

Reddick and Morrison are the only noteables…..and Morrison what a letdown.

by Newtybar on Nov 27, 2008 7:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Morrison was no let down

never thought he was worth even close to a #3 pick, I had a real problem with Noah being a top 10 pick as well and I wish we would have done our homework and fond out that POB really just wanted to be a chef all a long. But what do I know I liked Sene and what’s he doing now?

by qin on Nov 27, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

JAson Kidd couldn’t shoot either. Scouts are trying too hard to hit home runs every time. There are very few elite players in every draft – sometimes just getting one that makes your team better would help a lot.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Nov 27, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

my guess

is that we will continue to start with this lineup:

PG – Crawford
SG – Jack
SF – Maggette
PF – Wright/Turiaf
C – Biedrins

but i think that once Ellis comes back, i can sense a definite trade involving Maggette, because Ellis will play the 2 and Jack will slide down to the 3. Maggette can’t play PF. therefore, i am guessing that a trade for a PF will take place.

Wright will be a legitimate back up and Turiaf can go back to playing backup for Biedrins. I don’t know maybe it wont happen…its just an educated guess. But our lineup would end up looking like this:

PG – Crawford / Watson
SG – Ellis / Azubuike
SF – Jackson / Randolph
PF – (whoever we get for Maggette) / Wright
C – Biedrins / Turiaf

a solid 10-man rotation.

by gorillas on Nov 27, 2008 12:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think you nailed it

Magette can be traded starting Dec. 15th I beleive.

by highflya on Nov 27, 2008 12:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Okay I tried this out in the trade machine:

my first option would just be drew gooden or udonis haslem for corey maggette straight up, but if that doesn’t work, how about chris wilcox and johan petro for corey maggette and marcus williams. wilcox is a big and athletic power forward that averaged 13.4 PPG and 7 RPG last year. petro is a backup center that averaged 6 PPG and 5 RPG. it works in the trade machine, but I don’t know if thats too much to give up or not? maybe if we worked out a few kinks in it or involved a third team, it could work out…

by gorillas on Nov 27, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

AND

wilcox has only 1 more year left on his contract. thunder could get their strongly needed veteran leadership through maggette.

by gorillas on Nov 27, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

More importantly

who would want him and that contract?

by qin on Nov 27, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Watson is not a good backup

I don’t think he’ll be playing well
rather than using him as a PG, Belinelli may be a better backup for SG/PG
his pasing is pretty good,but he is just lack of chance

by Belinelli on Nov 27, 2008 12:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Watson has been pretty good this year. I wouldn’t say he’s the best backup PG in the league or anything like it, but you could do a heck of a lot worse. I suspect Belinelli would qualify as worse.

by onlxn on Nov 27, 2008 1:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

well,at this moment we don’t have enough PG.Jack playing PG?Don’t kid me.May be CJ is the only PG backup for Crawford,but in long term I don’t think he’ll be a good backup.Let’s wait for the return of monta and see what ‘ll happen.
Maggette is playing pretty well but I think trade him for a PF is better for the team’s future development.Wright can learn from that PF and he may be a starter in 2years.
I think Morrow would have to sit down on the bench again.Hope Nelson would give Belinelli more chance.

by Belinelli on Nov 27, 2008 2:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hope Nelson would give Belinelli more chance.

  By Belineli? You got no pride Marco?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 27, 2008 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

I think Maggette will stay at SF and Jackson will go to PF.

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by Zorgon on Nov 27, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

jamal crosses ray allen

man!! did you guys see that!? that was straight up dirty. broke him so bad and then passed to jack for the made 3 pointer!! if anybody can find a high quality clip of that id appreciate it! i found some on youtube, but they were really crappy quality. jamals got some serious handles!

by lowchi on Nov 27, 2008 1:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

jamal crosses ray allen

   So why did he go to jacking up bad shots if he can do that constantly?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 27, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So is the Morrow love gone?

Crawford is the man….got him on my fantasy team. He should do well in your system, give him time. We on the otherhand have ZBo who played like crap last night. I’m still sketch about that trade.

by Newtybar on Nov 27, 2008 8:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Now, when was the last time we had a shotblocker....

Who could that guy have been….

I think he worse #31 or something….

:-D

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by Zorgon on Nov 27, 2008 11:22 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Harrington...

It seems as though everyone on this blog thinks that Harrington was faking an injury – I think the Warriors deactivated him. Addition by subtraction.

John 8:44 -Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.

by triplesix on Nov 27, 2008 12:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It was a good game

and please Nellie, let Crawford handle the ball, not Jax. I was happy to see Jax not jacking up as many 3s though. That Crawford crossover on Ray Allen was nasty, he should do that more instead of taking random contested jumpers.

by semarubaka on Nov 27, 2008 1:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

What happened to Randolph?

AR played a couple of minutes in the first half — he picked up two quick fouls, but they were both on aggressive blocks in the lane, basically rejecting dunks. If Nellie had let Randolph back in to harass KG, it might have thrown the Celtics off-balance. The announcers always say AR is “Lamar Odom-like” but AR is physically stronger — a little less lanky, but more muscle. I’m not saying AR will fill our PF void, but he could quickly become one of the Warriors top defenders (not saying a lot, I know — but think of the excitement factor and sparking fast breaks).

by Chilefornian on Nov 27, 2008 3:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Dude - send Randolph for a Short Stint in the D-League

He can improve his ball handling and passing with more minutes. Or have him do both ala Jordan Farmar. Call up D. Nelson who could actually stay in front of Rondo (maybe cut M. Williams) – go ahead and call up Hendrix and see if he can grab some boards. I know it sounds crazy but I think it would work.

by terryteagle on Nov 27, 2008 3:41 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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