Definition of Suck = 2008-2009 Warriors in depth.
Its not late enough to say that the Warriors will not compete for a playoff spot this season, but without a major change in consistency and effort they are headed for yet another Lottery year. Breaking down what has happened so far gives me perspective on how the rest of the season will turn out...
The Good:
- Potential of players such as Randolph, Wright, Biedrinis, Ellis(pre-summer), and Azubuike.
- Removal of Al Harrington from this "TEAM". He is a cancer who doesn't know what he wants or what is best for him.
- Losing out on giving a $100 million to Gilbert Arenas, a guy who sits and plays video games while cashing the Wizard's paychecks, instead of doing his job on the basketball court. This guy like Jamison is a born loser who scores alot when he's not busy sitting on the sidelines, but for the most part gobbles up money.
- Signing Ronny Turiaf and the re-dedication to blocking shots on defense, though it has not led to better defense or rebounding.
-Nothing else really comes to mind. (Maybe Morrow's miraculous big shooting games, but he has since been exposed as one-dimensional.)
The Bad:
- Monta Ellis, Mopeds, and the state of Mississippi. (The injury plus the suspension, plus the unknown future with him.) The only way to describe this situation and how it has played out is STUPID.
- Marcus Williams and trading for his lethargic persona. This was truly an awful trade up to this point, as everytime he has entered the game the W's have sucked more. He doesn't defend, distribute, and cannot hit a jumper to save his life. WEAK.
- Don Nelson's coaching up until this point in the season. I'm not one of these quick to jump ship fans who want him gone right away, but will praise him when the W's win a few games. But to be frank he has stunk it up and has not played his strengths in the "Wright" situations. Brandan Wright has been under-used long enough, especially in games when throwing him in may have made a difference. (Toronto, Chicago, Memphis 2x, and Detroit.)
Nellie has been hesitant to play the young guys and for good reason, none have showed they should be out there every night, but Wright has been the most consistent and needed from a game to game basis.
Nelson has also drifted in and out of Smallball this year and the offensive tempo has suffered. It seems to shift from quarter to quarter spontaneously, this is in large part due to lack of a PG, but will touch on that later. Basically Nellie needs to stick with a plan and utilize his roster to that plan. Either play the young guys or play the Vets and go for more wins.
- Numerous close game losses, each game has that final 4 min will determine the outcome feel to it. This has been the case all season and yet the W's have not learned how to finish off teams, inbound the ball properly, and grab rebounds when it matters most. Frustrating miscues have cost them in the New Orleans, Toronto, and Detroit games.
The UGLY:
- Defense and Rebounding in either order have been atrocious. It seemed like at the beginning of the season the "TEAM" was more commited to improving both area's. They had a workman like attitude in the games 1-4, then regressed in the chuck and duck without hustle plays. Those first 4 games looked like a team of 5 Brian Cardinals were out there on the floor making hustle plays, fighting for rebounds, defending hard each possession. Now it looks as if they could care less and don't do either well on a possession by possession basis, which makes them rely more on wild 3 point shots and fast break points. Warriors need to bring back the scrappy, blue collar defensive mindset, while gambling more on the steals like last years team would if they want to further fuel their fast break.
- The Fast Break and Tempo of the games have been wildly erratic, more so than even Nellyball usually produces. The W's have trouble sequencing 5 minute intervals together of solid play, which prevents any chance of stringing together great quarters or halves. They seem to have a great first half followed by a miserable one and vice versa, there is no middle ground for us to anticipate and know who is going to show up when. This relates to reduced amount of easy fastbreak baskets they get this year combined with the lack of finishing around the rim.(How many times has CJ Watson had a break away and missed the dunk/layup contested or not? Its almost every time he finds a way to screw it up.) Last 1.5 years it was easier to know and expect how the W's would play on any given night, now its just too sloppy to predict anything.
- The lack of a true PG to run this team and distribute the ball FIRST and FOREMOST. This stems from the inability to properly replace Baron Davis and the occurrence of the Moped mishap. I still don't believe Ellis is a true PG and the W's are going to want to rely on him to score first, rather than distribute. He may very well become a star PG, but for now this rotation by commitee of Jackson, Watson, Crawford, and Nelson has failed miserably. These players are not committed to passing the ball and creating for teammates first and would rather chuck from long range than do so. Thus we have the stagnant offense which exists today, in which they don't find open teammates, don't distribute the ball effectively, and don't spark the offense. Another area of difficulty brought on by this scenario is the poor ball handling skills and ability to smoothly bring the ball up the court and dribble. Too many bad plays and turnovers due to poor ballhandling skills and mistakes. Overall the lack of a playmaker has cost them on offense, which is why they have already been held under 100 pts in 4/16 games this season.
The Warriors must find an answer at this position if they are going to improve, Crawford or Ellis may present themselves as the solution, but for now it remains as their greatest weakness.
- The overall chemistry and "TEAM" concept which has been so strong since 06-07, in which the passing was better, teamwork was better, and thus overall play was better. Now it seems that Jackson and Maggette play in their own world apart from guys like Andris and Kelenna, not to mention Wright and Randolph. Although I do think there is a bond between AB and Jack as they have connected on some sweet plays this season, many similar to what Baron used to run. I digress, there just seems to be something missing, be it the new mixture of players, the personalities of Maggette, Turiaf, and Crawford, or the lack of Baron Davis.
Without this collective effort on the court, it has revealed Front Office politics in a very negative light in which the likes of Nelson, Mullin, Rowell, and Cohan have not got along well and publicly feuded.
- The current record of 5-11, losing games they should win, and the importance of winning/playing with urgency. The Warrior's schedule has been somewhat favorable in who they have played, to which they have not taken advantage of. The losses at home and to weak teams has and will cost them this season. Losing to Memphis 2x, Sacramento, Chicago, and Washington was unacceptable, as all were games they could have and should have won. With the lowered expectations for this season the pressure should have been off and they had to win some of those games. Now they must continue on the road with games against the West powers starting to come up, and they have yet to string together wins against what should be inferior opponents. =Disappointing.
However when I look through all of these points, I think to myself:
maybe this "TEAM" is not as good as we had thought,
maybe the talent and pieces are not there,
maybe they are in the start of a full on rebuilding stage,
maybe Monta's injury return will fix it all,
maybe Monta's injury return won't fix it,
maybe they need time to let this mix gel,
maybe next year is the year to win games,
maybe a big trade or roster shakeup is in the cards,
maybe the Front Office will grow a brain and co-exist,
maybe this "TEAM" is doomed,
maybe not....
Anyways there is alot of basketball to be played and more to find out, but at this point the Warriors must pull it together or they will have truly taken a step back as a franchise.
So in summation at 5 - 11, the Warriors flat-out suck.
This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!
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unlikely able to make a move
with a glut of overpaid swingmen, along with their new long term contracts, we are basically screwed. We need a couple of disgruntled all stars who have expiring contracts, Marbury, Marion but no way they take our misfits.
by shootda3 on Nov 29, 2008 8:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Shucks... cheer up everybody...
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by Tony.psd on Nov 29, 2008 10:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Definition of Suck = 2008-2009 Warriors in depth.
Shouldn’t be a surprise, this was pointed out many times in pre season.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 29, 2008 10:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
-Nothing else really comes to mind. (Maybe Morrow’s miraculous big shooting games, but he has since been exposed as one-dimensional.)
I don’t know… I think we’d be happy with one-dimensional from an undrafted guy. The problem is that lately, Morrow has looked zero-dimensional. I do hope he can start shooting decently again, because he’d be a very useful role player for us.
Marcus Williams and trading for his lethargic persona. This was truly an awful trade up to this point
It’s obviously been an unsuccessful trade, and the degree of internal miscommunication it revealed is troubling. We really gave up very little here, though, so I don’t think this was any sort of tragedy.
Nellie has been hesitant to play the young guys and for good reason, none have showed they should be out there every night, but Wright has been the most consistent and needed from a game to game basis.
He sure has. Frankly, Wright’s been more consistently productive than most of our veterans, too… with his energy, efficiency on offense and length on defense, he’s pretty much held his own in every game. The only guys who’ve been as consistent as Wright have been Azubuike and Turiaf. Even Biedrins is going through a cold spell right now.
Nellie has defensible reasons for jerking around some of the other young ‘uns, but he’s all out of excuses with Wright. Wright is good, and we do better when he plays. Nellie looks like a dope for not realizing that.
Numerous close game losses, each game has that final 4 min will determine the outcome feel to it. This has been the case all season and yet the W’s have not learned how to finish off teams, inbound the ball properly, and grab rebounds when it matters most. Frustrating miscues have cost them in the New Orleans, Toronto, and Detroit games.
Absolutely true. This is something that’s less worrying on a long-term basis, though, as you gotta figure that’ll come as a team learns to play together. Frankly, that first stretch of games, where we almost beat some excellent teams, was pretty encouraging. I’ll take “competitive but can’t finish games” over what we’ve seen lately.
Defense and Rebounding in either order have been atrocious.
No doubt. Worth remembering, though, We’ve always been bad at these components of the game. Bad at them when we beat the Mavs, bad at them when we won 48 games last year.
Things look a lot brighter on this front when another big plays. When Wright, Randolph or Turiaf is in there with Biedrins, our defense becomes merely sub-par, which you can live with on a Nellie team. Our rebounding’s actually quite good when Randolph’s in, but he hurts us in countless other ways. We could certainly use another rebounder. I’m not convinced Hendrix is that guy, but I wouldn’t mind seeing him get a shot sometime soon.
The lack of a true PG to run this team and distribute the ball FIRST and FOREMOST.
By a HUGE margin, this is our biggest problem right now. Happily, it’s also the problem that we have the best chance of solving in-season.
Monta is never going to be Chris Paul. He is not a pure point, and it’s possible that we’ll still find ourselves searching for a playmaker next summer. But Monta is an INCREDIBLY efficient offensive player. His shooting percentage is insanely high for a guard, and his assist/turnover ratio last year was excellent — far higher than any Jack has ever posted. He may not solve our offensive issues, but he will reduce them greatly.
Monta also rebounds quite well for a guy his size — he’s frankly a better rebounder than Jack or Crawford. He didn’t defend well last year, but hopefully he’ll do better exclusively defending points this time around. He’ll certainly raise the number of steals we pull per game. In the gloom of this 5-11 start, I think some people are forgetting just how good this guy is.
The overall chemistry and “TEAM” concept which has been so strong since 06-07, in which the passing was better, teamwork was better, and thus overall play was better. Now it seems that Jackson and Maggette play in their own world apart from guys like Andris and Kelenna, not to mention Wright and Randolph.
The passing has certainly been horrible. I’m a little less inclined than others to say that there are huge chemistry problems, however. I’m not saying there definitely aren’t… I’m just not convinced there are.
Jack’s favorite pass target, by far, is Biedrins… they actually have excellent chemistry on the floor. Jack seems perfectly happy to pass to the Morrows and even Randolphs of the world. I don’t get the sense that Jack is playing favorites out there. The problems are that 1) sometimes his brain just switches off and he tries to beat the other team one-on-three, and 2) he can’t pull off a lot of passes, particularly in traffic, that he thinks he can.
I’m not minimizing those issues. They’re serious issues. But I don’t think they’re proof that everyone’s on different pages. I think that may be a conclusion people are jumping to just because the team’s playing badly.
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To me, all the worst things about this season have come from off the court: the stupid Jack extension, the stupid Crawford trade, the Nellie extension and his subsequent poor coaching, and the front-office dysfunction that all this has revealed. I don’t feel good about this impending Rowell era.
In terms of the actual roster, I don’t feel nearly as bad. This team’s been quite poor, and quite frustrating to watch, but a lot of the issues that are currently plaguing us will not continue to plague us for years. Specifically:
1) Monta is coming back. This’ll help our efficiency and playmaking, and won’t hurt us anywhere else. He’s frankly better at everything than Crawford except shooting threes.
2) Stephen Jackson will not keep getting free reign and 43 minutes a game for the next several years. No team is stupid enough to that that leeway to such a limited player for an extended period of time, not even us. Nellie may love Jack, but when Monta’s back, he’ll pull him back a bit.
3) Azubuike, Maggette and Jack will all start shooting threes better than they have so far.
My biggest concern with the roster is the way Nellie keeps twisting Brandan Wright in the mind. It’s not just that we’re hurting ourselves by playing him so little; it’s the fear that this might lead us to dumping him for less-than-fair value if Nellie never sees the light.
Wright is our third-most valuable commodity, after Biedrins and Monta. A borderline franchise like ours can NOT afford to piddle away its best pieces. Wright may not be a Nellie style of player, but he is good, and so is his contract. Nellie either needs to commit to going to war with him, or to commit to showcasing him for a trade, both of which involve playing him more. If we fail to get value, either in play or in trade, from an already-effective 21-year-old power forward, we’re consigning ourselves to the Dark Ages again.
I still find this team to be very likeable. I don’t really see the black cloud of selfishness that others do — I see it more as a black cloud of crappiness - and I think there are in-house solutions for a number of our problems. We won’t make the playoffs this year, but ’09’10 still looks like a good possibility to me, even a likelihood. But it hinges on the soundness of two individual relationships: the one between Robert Rowell and Monta Ellis, and the one between Don Nelson and Brandan Wright. Hopefully the older guys act their ages here.
by onlxn on Nov 29, 2008 11:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oops. Strike-thru was unintended. Carry on.
by onlxn on Nov 29, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Onixn, my man.
I couldnt aggre with you more
To me, all the worst things about this season have come from off the court: the stupid Jack extension, the stupid Crawford trade, the Nellie extension and his subsequent poor coaching, and the front-office dysfunction that all this has revealed. I don’t feel good about this impending Rowell era.
Rob Rowell, the commitment to mediocrity.
Ellis to the rim.
by warriorsscore110 on Nov 29, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still working on the whole block quote thing,
Ellis to the rim.
by warriorsscore110 on Nov 29, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT THE?
Did you expect to have a championship year? Of course Nellie and the warriors front office clearly stated that this was going to be a rebuilding year no doubt, of course with the youngest team in the league. How many other team’s second string is practically all rookies with one soph? I don’t think that many. Our young guys are still learning the ropes of the NBA, which does not make them sucky.. just unexperienced and inconsistent. I think we are doing PRETTY WELL, despite some games (but expected), with the rise of morrow, randolph, watson, belinelli, and wright. I do hate the waste of Willams and Jackson’s stupid isos BUT overall i think our team is on the right track. As long as we play hard and surprise most teams with our skills I think we’ll slowly make a name for ourselves. We have to keep remembering we do not have out “star” player Monta either.
Are we a playoff team? no. Do we have the potential? yes.
Just like all the seasons before our “We Believe” season, warriors seem as if they have the skill but just can’t quite finish. I guess our bandwagon fans can’t handle it and are realizing they should just stick to the lakers
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by KMC on Nov 29, 2008 12:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
our bandwagon fans can’t handle it and are realizing they should just stick to the lakers
haha, I watched a little of the miami game yesterday and sure it must be nice having someone like wade on your team?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 29, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess our bandwagon fans can’t handle it and are realizing they should just stick to the lakers
Give me a break, A lot of us have been around for a long time, putting up with Nelsons first fiasco with Webber and stuck through a lot of painful years looking at potential and growing pains and figuring it out and getting better. and just when it seamed we had a good thing going with just a little tweaks here and there to make us a truly good BB team, BAM, the team blows up again with Nelson at the helm and were starting all over again. So you cant really blame us for being frustrated, and sad but true, most of us will always be Warrior fans.
by qin on Nov 29, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
our bandwagon fans can’t handle it and are realizing they should just stick to the lakers
but the lakers already have enough bandwagon fans
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Nov 29, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bandwagon Fans...
I wonder how they feel when they read this LOL!
by Tony.psd on Nov 29, 2008 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THE GOOD:
we are likely to have such a piss poor record that we can nab a top 10pick and maybe draft a TRUE PG?! dj augustine was the 9th pick, jerryd bayless was the 11th pick.
by HoLdEmUP on Nov 29, 2008 2:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
maybe draft a TRUE PG?
Any Derrick Roses blooming next draft? If there’s a top drawer point guard coming out then we should play to never win again this year.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 29, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
then we should play to never win again this year.
lately i wonder if that hasn’t already started.
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Nov 29, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The sad part is were tanking with our veterans.
by yocballer on Nov 29, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The sad part is were tanking with our veterans.
That makes it more convincing, if they sat all game the press would catch on.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 29, 2008 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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