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Forget Rowell, Cohn sees a Nelson coup

While we have been focusing on the Rowell-Mullin feud, Lowel Cohn says we've been looking in the wrong direction. Counter to prevailing wisdom (shared here) that Mullin and Nelson were working well as a team during the past two years, Cohn's crystal ball is telling him something different, as he writes:

With the Warriors I'm supposed to see a coach who is befuddled by his assistant coach going over to the business side. What I really see is Don Nelson's guy infiltrating the Chris Mullin side of the Warriors. What I think I see is Don Nelson scheming to get Larry Riley in Chris Mullin's business. What I think I see is Don Nelson involved in the Pete D. firing so he could get a spy in the general manager's office. What I hope I don't see, but fear I see is Don Nelson plotting Mullin's complete overthrow with the idea of Riley becoming general manager after this season. What I think I see but I'm not sure I see is Nelson, through his operative Riley, running the show at the Warriors -- front office and coaching staff -- just as he ran everything after the fall of George Karl.

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Cohn paints the picture of a schizophrenic Nelson, or if not quite technically schizo, at least one operating with either multiple personality syndrome or the shiftiness of a veteran political operative. In any case, if Cohn's right, is the outcome as dire for the Warriors as he insinuates? The case has been made several times that Mullin's best GM years have been while Nelson has been back on board, whether that's the impact of tutelage or of the young GM finally cutting his teeth is open to interpretation and we'll never really know for sure. In a year or so, Nelson would have his man Riley with him in the front office, and his man Smart on the bench, with his man Rowell writing the checks. Hmm.

Regardless, Rowell is putting his chips on Nelson, as well as Jackson, Maggette, and Andris while cutting his reliance on Mullin, and certainly angling to keep his options open on Monta's recovery.

We've been painting a pretty bleak picture of Rowell on GSoM, but the Machiavellian maneuverings Cohn is suggesting paint a much darker, more sinister Nellie than we've been led to "see" publicly. Will that lead to a brighter future? Is it darkest before dawn?

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Who is manipulating who in the front office?
Mullin is manipulating Rowell to fire him early
4 votes
Nelson is manipulating Rowell to eliminate Mullin
17 votes
Rowell is manipulating Nelson to isolate Mullin
46 votes
We don't know and neither does Cohn - it's all speculation
98 votes

165 votes | Poll has closed

This FanPost is a submission from a member of the mighty Golden State of Mind community. While we're all here to throw up that W, these words do not necessarily reflect the views of the GSoM Crew. Still, chances are the preceding post is Unstoppable Baby!

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nelson and rowell

are trying to throw mully out so they can take over the team, he’s absolutely right. sighh

by MeTaLLiCs0naTaS on Nov 9, 2008 11:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

wait a minute...

is this really a bad thing? I’m not sure whether I should be mad, happy, or neither. Nelson is obviously the smartest basketball mind and the best judge of talent in the organization. Mullin was a horrible GM before he came and had influence. so should we be mad if this happens??

by Agent Zero on Nov 9, 2008 11:37 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

+1

Mullins best moves were after he got Nelson on board so you got to think that a lot of that is Nelsons influence and input. Nelson seams to be learning and at least is getting athletic big guys on his run and gun teams.

by qin on Nov 9, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

horrible GM?

So horrible that he brought in Nelson, so how does that make him horrible?

by pbra17 on Nov 9, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

track record before and after Nelson is pretty dramactically different

if Mullin were to be “graded” solely on the merits of the moves he made and the status of the team (both roster and coach) as of two summers ago, “horrible” would not be far from the truth at all.

Recall that at that point he tried and failed to trade Murphy, Foyle, and Baron and was looking at the likelihood that Montgomery was returning to coach a losing team that had drafted two big stiffs in the draft. Baron and Monty were feuding, and there was little hope that the next season would be any better. The ship was taking on water fast.

imho Nelson was the first hail-mary that saved Mullin’s job, the Indy trade was the second. Most of us can chronicle what has transpired since Nelson took the only offer he had. Now, the only question is whether there is a third long-bomb up his lefty sleeve or if the clock’s run out on him.

by hardcore on Nov 9, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

It’s all Sidney Moncrief. Think about it. He came in as a “shooting coach” and now he’s taken a big role with the team.

He’s the real reason we didn’t resign Baron because Moncrief told the management his missed FT was the reason we failed to win the championship. Same with Pietrus.

He also is the reason our young guys barely plays. Nelson says they’re not ready because Moncrief says they’re not ready. Belinelli’s missed FTs is more than enough evidence.

They thought Moncrief is coming here to help the team shoot FTs but he’s doing everything but that. He’s raised hell on this franchise and our team’s free throw shooting is horrendous.

by lightz0ut on Nov 9, 2008 11:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

send that to Cohn, he likes the conspiracy stuff obviously!

by hardcore on Nov 9, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

great

more lowell cohn

by sam23 on Nov 9, 2008 11:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

(extreme sarcasm)

by sam23 on Nov 9, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Where's Iggy?

I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2008 12:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

did he really say

that nellie wanted a spy on mullin?

that might be the dumbest thing i ever heard, mullin and nellie our friends, and rowell has already cut mullin out of any desiscions…

Ellis to the rim.

by warriorsscore110 on Nov 9, 2008 12:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Cohn sees a Nelson coup?

     I doubt it. Nellie is too old to want to do more than coach. He’s got plenty of cash and a nice place in Hawaii to go to so why would he want to run the organizarion here when he can just enjoy coaching for a couple more years then bail?

Till I get free
I live my life in the Walmart
Cholesterol chasin me

by Skeptic con Urquell on Nov 9, 2008 2:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

that's the beauty of it

Nelson coaches until he gets his record, then semi-retires as a consultant to Riley … my guess is he saw the handwriting on the wall earlier than any of us and while he might have not have orchestrated a coup the way Cohn perceives it, Nelson also hasn’t come out and laid it on the line for Mullin.

Is that “payback” for Mullin not laying on the line for Nelson the first time he was trying to renegotiate his contract? Who knows, but that was the first time I recall they weren’t on the same page. Then, or now, there were moments when one of them could have said “He stays or I’m going” yet neither has ever come close to that level of loyalty. Their combined popularity would have been an obstacle to Rowell’s ability to change at the GM level, so he might have planned these steps carefully.

It’s a business, a fact we fans abhor and forget all too frequently. If Mullin has to go, who better for Nelson to have in the GM office than Riley? If this was part of a plan, these were fairly shrewd moves by Rowell – first extend Nelson, then undermine Mullin, and since Nelson is going to go along with the change to Riley that leaves Mullin pretty isolated. Office politics is a bitch sometimes. It also might have been “organic” – perhaps Mullin chaffed as Rowell balked at Baron’s contract, and made Rowell’s life difficult and this is all just unfolding from there. Maybe both realized at that point that Mullin was not going to be extended and wouldn’t come back even if the offer was made. Who knows.

We shouldn’t feel too sorry for Mullin, he got well-compensated to cut his teeth here and is likely to land another NBA GM job.

by hardcore on Nov 9, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On principle...

…it’s unsavory that Nelson, who was rehired as Warriors coach thanks to the lobbying done on his behalf by Mullin, would apparently turn his back on this situation. Even if Nelson’s only involvement is in these moves is a lack of support, you would expect he’d make even a passive effort to defend the job an reputation of his old friend and comrade.

It is necessary and educational to remember in all this that Don Nelson doesn’t leave organizations well. Beyond any argument of coaching skill (and I do still think he’s a good coach as a whole, as well as maybe the most influential coach of the past fifteen to twenty years), it’s hard to argue that organizational turmoil radiates from Don Nelson, not unlike stink radiates from stink bugs.

by Zack Vank on Nov 9, 2008 5:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

you would expect he’d make even a passive effort to defend the job an reputation of his old friend and comrade

… which is exactly what he did – paraphrasing, he said he expected Mullin to be re-signed

most coaches don’t leave organizations on a happy note – very rarely do they win a championship and retire (ala Bill Walsh) and very often they are nudged, pushed, and frequently dumped

by hardcore on Nov 9, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's true about coaches leaving...

…but Nelson in particular, be it a matter of his behind the scenes conduct, or even just on reputation, seems to maintain a scorched earth policy as far as his resume is concerned. The fact that the Warriors rehired him despite the bad blood that existed from the nineties (not that I’m blaming that exclusively on Nelson) is a credit to Chris Mullin’s efforts to get something positive done.

Nelson saying he expects Mullin to be rehired isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement, especially not from a guy with as big a penchant for bullshitting the media as he is. I tend to concur with Scott Ostler’s view from last week:

“Somehow feels wrong when Mullin, who brought Nelson back to the Warriors and pulled off what every losing team talks and dreams of doing – create a culture of winning – is walking the plank while Nelson is smoking nicer cigars.”

by Zack Vank on Nov 9, 2008 10:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nelly is not as good as we think

I am concerned about Nelly having control of this franchise. I know he’s one of the winningest coaches of all-time. But he also has the top five most losses of all-time. There is a reason he has never contended for a championship.

Nelly does not show game in and game out the steadiness to coach basketball players on the court. While he’s a great schemer pre-game, how much does he let his teams run wild without any accountability? But that’s the point. Nelly doesn’t like accountability, for himself and for his players. He is the most hands-off coach in the league in terms of fundamentals and it pisses me off.

We all need to stop drinking the kool-aid and start looking at this guy a little more critically.

Duke grad student missing the Bay but holding it down for the Dubs from afar.

by eastbayglory on Nov 9, 2008 5:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

yea totally

lets hire Adelman, Carleisimo, St. Jean, Cowens….I dont even remember who came next, but I do know he was obviously a lot better than Don Nelson. ….sheesh whats it gonna take to get it through your heads that it isnt Nelson? the team lacks talent! I’m sick of this ridiculous blame Nelson crap…. I need some more Kool Aid.

by sam23 on Nov 10, 2008 3:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Post Kings Game entry -

now we know why Nelson has been so reluctant to play lots of young players – their defensive lapses lead to lots of easy buckets (as demonstrated by the Kings using High School sets to school the Dubs young’ns) which add up – that third quarter was largely a product of inexperience

Nelly may not be as good as some of us give him credit for, but few coaches win much less get into the playoffs with the youngest team in the league. I almost felt sorry for Randolph when it looked like he was going to get snapped in half going to the basket – welcome to the league.

We might put some stock in Barnett’s pregame comments about Nelson – yes, Barnett’s a company guy but he’s less a homer than most announcers and has the added credibility of both playing in the league and being critical of Monty while he was still on the sidelines.

by hardcore on Nov 9, 2008 9:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You're wrong!

Randolph is awesome! They just didn’t run the right plays for him. Nellie sucks! It’s not Randolph’s fault, Nellie’s the one who’s supposed to give him some burn so he can learn defense! Waaaahhhhh, I got all excited for these draft picks then they sit on the bench, even though they’re AWESOME!!!! AWESOME!!! Belinelli is AWESOME!!! WAaaahhhhhh!!!!

OK, I’m done making fun of the idiots.

I hate Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, and Russel Peters because they make fun of white people like me. They also make fun of other kinds of people, which hurts me deep down because my ancestry is so mixed that I don't know what my official "race" is... so I get offended for all races!

by Dubs fan in Boston on Nov 10, 2008 12:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Have you fellas ever played team sports before?

Rather than look at my points, you call me an idiot. Pretty effective. If you’ve ever played a sport before, you know that defense is a team decision. Nelly has consistently shown that he does not build that in his teams. Guys look bad on defense? Well, the coach has some blame for that. Nelly lets his players go, but that’s not how championship coaches do it. Do you think Nelly is as disciplined as a coach as Papavich? Not even close.

This is a bit of a chicken and egg thing. You need to let your players play to get experience. They’re going to be beat at first for sure. But you also have to coach them up in practice. Teach them good fundamentals on the NBA level so that they can succeed. Just watch the Dubs for ten minutes and you know that this team is not coached up in the little things of the game. Ill-advised shots, high dribbling, no eyes on ball and basket, no talking on defense, the list goes on and on.

Just because our coaches before sucked doesn’t mean that Nelly gets a free pass. We got to the second round in the playoffs because we had BD, JRich, and SJax and we had the most favorable match-up possible for those guys.

Duke grad student missing the Bay but holding it down for the Dubs from afar.

by eastbayglory on Nov 10, 2008 10:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

what are you talking about?

Ya, played. And coached at both HS & Small College level.

What’s your point? No one called you an idiot here – what’s your beef?

As far as Nelson and defense, ya, he does emphasize some D – from his Bucks days to now it’s always been unorthodox but he does care about Def. Listen to Barnett if you don’t believe me.

Nelson and Popavich are apples and oranges, and no – Nelson isn’t blessed to have Duncan anchoring both ends of the floor (ever notice when Pop took over in SA? That was some timing – just a coincidence it was exactly when Duncan was returning after being injured and the team had been on a losing streak, kinda like Riley coming back with Wade and Shaq ready … )

Nelson’s hardly gotten a free pass on this board, not even by me.

What got you feeling so insulted anyway???

by hardcore on Nov 10, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not feeling that insulted dude.

Duke grad student missing the Bay but holding it down for the Dubs from afar.

by eastbayglory on Nov 10, 2008 10:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

damn

this Cohn guy is some mental steamroll
now i’ve got everything clear

though most likely i’ve got strange sense of humor
i m 1 of 3 persons who picked
Mullin is manipulating Rowell to fire him early
in poll

build a team & destroy the roof and

Sign Tim Hudson now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by nuttinbutnet

by Lat We N Trash on Nov 10, 2008 11:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

dam

the Press Democrat would put this story. They always put the crazy truth out there. Rohnert Park at its finest! I know this since I go to Sonoma State and they make us read that thing like its the bible or something.

So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!

by 24k state fan since 87 on Nov 14, 2008 2:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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